Shikishima vs Yamato - World of Warships

Here are 2 games, back to back. 1st with Shikishima and 3nd with Yamato.
I remember Shiki in testing being a monster. I had so much fun and amazing games in her, while not actually falling for Yamato.
Recently I've been playing Yamato a lot and we really click, but Shiki is such a disappointment.
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[@hanzcraftcz]

Trenlass in Shikishima: I love this ship Flambass in Shikishima: I hate this ship!

[@phj223]

Send this match to Trenlass for analysis 😇

[@GrumpyDK821]

Trenless always likes ships nobody else likes. But I also think it’s a try thing. You have to get used to ships and experience it. Trenless is pretty good in shiki but plays different then flambino does here

[@iPoTeNcYy]

@@GrumpyDK821 yeah flambass tries every BB like it's the french BBs

[@icemanpain]

@@iPoTeNcYy Flambass is all about the CA's and some DD

[@michaeld.uchiha9084]

Trenlass always loves shit ships.😅

[@bartolbilankov2294]

We need Trenlass in Shiki vs Flambass in Yama :)

[@1stMasterAce]

and Rogue Monkey in the Musashi! just to complete the set. lol

[@s.31.l50]

@@1stMasterAce He'll potato and die in 5 minutes XD

[@1stMasterAce]

​@@s.31.l50 my point exactly. Flambass or Trenlass would then use his burning wreckage as a torp shield while returning fire at what sank him. XD

[@harryjones3820]

@@1stMasterAce lol 😂

[@gustavodaniel2820]

Up hehehe

[@Bacontruffle]

510mm shells against carrier: Carrier "what shells? Weakness disgusts me"

[@JimBlock999]

"Thanks for the shells, mate, we just constructed some new planes of them."

[@Tobrug1]

I start believing wargaming on that moment when they actually start fixing issues like that hindenburg player

[@coriwilliams8874]

What was he doing/ trying to accomplish?

[@JimBlock999]

I guess that player is beyond fixing ...

[@gustavchambert7072]

To be fair to the shiki, you did not get a good broadside during that whole game. And I used to have games just like that one in my yama every now and then too, where the shells just went everywhere. I distinctly remember one where I shot four or five broadsiding cruisers at less than 12 km, and ended that game with no citadels and less than 70k dmg.

[@s.31.l50]

We need a 1v1 between Flambass in Yama and Trenlass in Shiki to deterine which ship is better XD

[@ObliviousProdigee]

Trenlass: I absolutely love the shikishima Flambass: I absolutely hate this ship

[@kieran3507]

10:02 - flambass turns Gollum - "dirty fat shikaseemases"

[@doktorsmirnoff2484]

@Flambass. That's not really representative. Just because you had bad RNG in a round with the Shiki and opponents who can dodge doesn't mean the Shiki is a bad ship. In the Yama Match, on the other hand, you had a conquerer which showed broadside and a Mino which is a easy snack.

[@Wele090]

+ His aim was off sometimes in Shiki xD

[@capthappy8884]

Sure, but I'm betting his opinion want formulated via this one match. I def don't think the shiki is a "bad" ship, but there are alot more "bad RnG" games than good. Its a meme ship, not an effective one.(in my opinion)

[@droidmotorola3884]

@@capthappy8884 ^

[@roukos7]

We are talking about the guy that doesn't use spotter plane in the Yama. He's just being childish just like the Montana.

[@QuanTzu]

It's wrong to compare two ships when almost everything decided by RNG god. In your Shiki game you got an enemy CV completely obsessed with you which you cannot utilize dead eye as much as with your Yama game. And people tend to play careful against Shiki because when it's guns connects, oh boy. I got deleted in my Kremlin within 2 salvos by Shiki:)

[@jakobmai2008]

Wow the clowns in chat were strong. Of course they'd also end up at the bottom of the result screen...

[@balazsfoldes4700]

No, you don't understand. Carriers' flight decks were designed to withstand battleship grade armour piercing rounds. In fact, it was common strategy for the US fleet to send CVs forward to tank the shells for the rest of the fleet.

[@xhawkeye8717]

UK Royal Navy carriers probably could survive plunging fire from battleships but US Navy carriers could not.

[@MagusNotre]

hahahahahahaha your face expression says it all on the 2nd battle at the begining.

[@mehulyadav7419]

flambass haves a bad game: lands in the middle Me have a good game: lands in the middle

[@evarno1262]

The fact that the hindy still managed to outscore two of the team...

[@Jean-oz2yy]

LOL. Flambass at his most entertaining. Laughing so hard. Just love the passion of his opinion of some ships.

[@MehrumesDagon]

"tiny baby guns" - about biggest guns historically ever mounted on a battleship xD

[@neometallX]

Looks like Flambass is ready to fight in Grand Battles. Good Luck!

[@SebaX92]

Flambass the T10 cvs have 87-95mm on deck. Even on the German you’ll bounce, on the British it’s 50/50 cause not all deck is armored. Shikishima can’t overmatchmore than 35mm deck.

[@Shadowat00]

But it is flat🤔

[@SebaX92]

@@Shadowat00 still not 90 degrees. Even NC with its ballistics can't do it. Maybe if it had 32km range . Should be tested out.

[@swordmonkey6635]

"Yama's a god." ~ Flambass 2021. Spitting facts.

[@TallulahSoie]

I like how any ship Flambino doesn't like or sucks in is automatically trash. Lol.

[@thegreenfather1978]

As time passes, I agree less and less with him. I remember when he went through a bunch of test ships a whiel ago. He came to the Harekaze II (Arashi at the time), spent lke 10 seconds looking at the ship, and he just dismissed it as grabage... The ship is actually good and fun... His loss, and everyone's foolish enough to blindly listen to him.

[@TheGrandexeno]

Poor 'mbino getting eye twitching due to stress xD

[@CA_Watchman]

It’s not that, it’s the infection in his face from sticking his hands in his mouth and nose while streaming, than wiping down his face with his fingers after. Not everyone has good hygiene.

[@TheAnatomica]

That face ... that eye twitch ... that's me 1000%

[@abelli3482]

5:13 Yamato: I give you 40k damage Shikishima: alright, then the best i can offer is no hit

[@jamesmccoy7773]

Those guns are so inaccurate that if it wasn't for gravity, they wouldn't even be able to hit the sea.

[@rarebreed4489]

The Shika is about as fictional as so-called Gravity.

[@chanlamkha5766]

22:56 Haha He's crying about overmatch when playing minotaur XD

[@nailed2ax_126]

Been playing for 5 years, Yamato only reason I started playing as I absolutely love her and was my first T10 ship, i still play her from time to time and it's always a blast, but unfortunately for her, I love my Kleber more now 😂❤️

[@TheStygian]

From hotel Yamato to Klebér!! Now that's an arc hahah Great taste in ships!

[@AdrianB_]

0:34 never in your life will penetrate a t10 cv if him doesn't show broadside, bruh

[@thegreenfather1978]

He knows it, he experienced it many times, but he keeps shooting AP at extreme range. And he keeps complaining...

[@AdrianB_]

@@thegreenfather1978 He might try spend HE, makes stress to cv player receiving fire too early

[@chadjensen2027]

I mean, Shikishima’s 510mm shell is equivalent of a 2000 kilogram armor piercing bomb falling from the sky at a few hundred meters per second speed, you would expect it to deal at least some kind of damage to a 87mm thick deck

[@gkagara]

Only GK HE have enough pen for CV deck. Others like 85mm or something

[@AdrianB_]

@@gkagara Heavy HE ammo (over 406) can ignore of t10 cv decks, AP can't do that for the angle of fall

[@JLewisRacing927]

The teamkilling Hindy still did better than 2 other teammates... Oh boy

[@velshyrym3935]

5:12 welcome to my constant rng

I think the Shikishima just hates you, that's why it doesn't work for you alone.

[@gkagara]

On me it have like 130k average damage I dunno why it is like that with him

[@mathiassilberthal7742]

The thing in this game really is that some ships just hate you.. I have 60+ WR with 80k+ average damage on seattle, worcester with 71% wr and even Dallas and Omaha are 60+% WR. But helena for some reason decided "yeah, 30k average dmg and 43% WR is fine" Even in cleveland I have 56% wr 60k average. Some ships just hate you

[@droidmotorola3884]

I think they nerfed the gun sound. it doesn't sound as powerful and mighty as when it came out. if you don't believe me look at the difference between the sounds from release day and now. I lost all interest in shiki.

[@Peterax788]

Perfect description Hans

[@julianjuhl9073]

Since they killed secondarys your statement is true...

[@jmoore4477]

German BB line taught me to ignore any ship sporting less than 8 barrels, especially 2-barrel turrets. I think a lot of BB players mistake the class for a sniper, but I have a lot of success playing mine like shotguns, creating temporary nope-zones for enemy ships exposing their armour. As Yuro once memed, 'more dispersion = bigger citadel chance', and more shells makes that happen.

[@jacobsharpe8219]

if they let shikishima overpen 40mm instead of the 36? at the moment it may be a good pick against the new dutch cruisers

[@matsab7930]

Wg don’t want to make a ship with ‘bigger’ guns than Yamato - basically with better pen than Yamato. At the moment the extra pen you get from Shika doesn’t really allow you to overmatch anything Yamato can’t.

[@saltefan5925]

How did that hindi make it to 9? Seriously?

[@Nitryl44]

44% WR with 14k battles... he let his teammates do the job for him and insult them when they can't. This kind of toxic player...

[@iPoTeNcYy]

Yeah u can fail your way to any of these ships. You still get exp for losing and suckin ass, it just takes time.

[@forest4283]

TIL: What a flambass mental breakdown looks like.

[@Neneset]

Your aim in Shikishima was so bad it looks like you are intentionally sabotaging your performance in it.

[@vipertwenty249]

I know this is a fantasy game, but historically there was a reason why guns of over 18" calibre were not a thing - barrel droop. Quite simply the gun barrels would droop under their own weight, especially when warm after firing. They were just impractical. Looks like RNG is accidentally modeling that! :)

[@xhawkeye8717]

The metallurgy of nations in the early twentieth century varied greatly. Germany was at the top in that regard. France was right behind them. Germany in employing the giant field guns in both world wars had issues but the quality of the material they used for the guns was not an issue.

[@vipertwenty249]

@@xhawkeye8717 Agreed. Note the biggest calibre guns used on land were short barrelled seige howitzers, where barrel droop doesn't tend to happen. The long ranged rail carriage mounted guns were not any bigger than naval guns, but used external support structures anyway to keep the weight down for rail transport. Doubtless with modern steels we could build 20" or bigger self supporting long guns now, but they couldn't back then, even with the best steel available to the time. As I said though, WoWs is a fantasy game so I suppose it doesn't really matter.

[@melvinmoller8161]

2 guns turrets tends to have worse dispersion

[@simmonsjoe]

I've been vibing pretty hard with Yamato recently too.

[@IvanKircanski]

@flambass what is this? using spotter airplane? what happened with: "if you are using spotter airplane you are probably far from the battle?" :)

[@ryandaru6178]

as he said he didn't use the ship often that's why he didn't care

[@IvanKircanski]

@@ryandaru6178 I know, i am just messing with Flambino :)

[@Glider5858]

I use spotter plane just to see ships hiding behind islands. Plus the fighter plane is useless anyway. It just flys in circles and shoots down maybe 3 planes max. Usually 1 plane then returns to the ship.

[@jakubslavik5595]

Thank you for telling me, I was so looking forward to buying it...

[@CesarinPillinGaming]

ITs Amazing.. you have CVs that are on the other side of the match.. no other ships can reach them in the first 10 minutes by any other ship, they can hit with impunity to all other ships. And WG is "Oh.. people are using Shikishima or Yamato to snipe our cvs, THATS ILLEGAL.. lets increase deck armor to make all ships useless" No seriously .. CVs = almost impossible to damage on distance, you can't set on fire, planes are now nearly unkillable unless you're halland or austin or worcester and/or having 6 ships packed together into a Shima torpedo fiesta.

[@CesarinPillinGaming]

In the other hand, watching your video. I notice that you are aiming like a Yamato, isnt Shikishima supposed to have LESS drag?

[@MasterVideoStudios]

I wanna see a game where its Yamato, Musashi and Shikishima on the same team

[@swordmonkey6635]

WG should bring Yamato Hull #4 into the game as the third Yamato class ship. Japan had planned on building 4 Yamato class ships. Two were launched. The third (Shinano) was converted to a carrier and the fourth hull was cancelled. After the 4 Yamato ships would've been built, Japan was planning on making 2 Project A-150 BBS. That would've been something along the lines of the Shikishima or the upcoming "super" Yamato. The final A-150 specs were still up in the air before they were cancelled.

[@capthappy8884]

Lol! Trenlass also seems unimpressed with some very strong ships too!😋

[@vipinnair1991]

Trenlass does really really well in the Shiki. It's his fav ship.

[@KS7.]

Peak WoWs community in the second game.

[@SgtSteel1]

Ricochets on the carrier deck... wow

[@defcon9855]

Yeah, the jump from VIII to X also increases the deck armor thickness for all carriers - enough to ricochet all AP in the game. Best AP overmatch is 35mm with _Shikishima's_ 510mm guns, but Tier X carriers have 95mm decks for Japan, 87mm for U.S., 50mm for Germany, and 102mm-38mm-25mm for U.K. So the only one you can partially overmatch is _Audacious_ by aiming for the 25mm tips at each end of her deck. With these kinds of armor thickness, the only thing which can damage Japanese/U.S. decks are German or U.K. 380mm+ battleship guns with 1/4 pen HE.

[@xmlthegreat]

I mean clearly it's the player and not the ship in this case, but that happens to the best of us. You just don't gel with a ship sometimes. I had that with Donskoi, somehow hated the ship even though it was the fastest T9 grind I ever did.

[@descriptiondescriptiondescript]

11:29 People w/o a clan tag usually behave like this Hindy... Flambass is the weird exception

[@xierus]

Sub 25 sec reload without even taking damage? Lordy lordy this is quite the paper ship Edit: having seen the dispersion not even dpm can save it

[@ajawaska737]

Shiki is the never ending "1940 dmg hit"

[@Kirykos.]

i dont disagree flambass but trenlass does

[@ipatchymakouli415]

To be fair your aim wasn't very on point that game, plus not a lot of broadsides. Against the Yama you shot waaay too much to the right at least twice iirc, which could be decisive shot(s) if nailed. Then against stationary Monty idk why you aimed at the superstructure. Waterline would have been much better, since all that salvo did was one overpen to the superstructure, an the rest missed, mostly too high. Next shots were also poorly shot since you saw they went over Montana's nose since she was slow, the next two salvos could have been better if aimed a bit to the right... Don't get me wrong I don't think it would have changed the outcome by that much, but not trying to get citadels in Shiki will for sure result in a bad match. But I guess it's normal for the mental&performance to go down when you play a ship you psychologically hate :/ TLDR kinda disappointed about the rant even tho the aiming was meh (meh aim won't help meh accuracy), but still love you, and delete CVs

[@rantanplan178]

YOYO Mr. FLAMU. Just one question? If SHIKISHIMA is sooooo bad? Why has it been picked so often during KoTs? Which according to them is the pinnacle of competitive gaming in WoWs. :) _don't have this ship. just saying. It's a rather serious question, cause I did ask myself why some liked to use shiki._

[@xchazz86]

Shiki would ruin Yama, Flambass just cant aim. Ask Trenlass for aiming lesson. XD

[@N0P0int]

5:11 my experience when i play every T10 BB except thunderer

[@MrKveite1]

Well you f... up by showing the weakspot instead of straight baugh in, cant blame that on the ship....

[@enricotraica3857]

Midway has 80 mm deck armor. Only the american high flying arc could pen the deck. With lower arcs its always ricochets

[@liran547]

3nd very nice

[@omerfarukcetinkaya5943]

Herr Flambass is cruel 🥺 just RNG God hate Shikishima 😁 and loves Yammy, just a question is that karma thing punish or reward players?? I think karma did nothing??

[@machstem6390]

Wd40 that door hinge.

[@panelak6835]

0:32 best for t10 cv sniping is rangemod + ifhe conqedor

[@jonsquare1248]

I see from this video that Flambass has the same relationship with RNGeesus that I do. He hates us both.

[@frankdantuono2594]

We should start calling it the Shittyshima.

[@Nofukoff]

its a joke plunging 510mm shells cant citadel a carrier yet alone pen it

[@trololoev]

carrier has about 100+mm or armor against 44mm overmatched shells. ofc they will ricocheted against it.

[@Nofukoff]

@@trololoev so a 30km shot where the shells are practically falling 70+degrees and not to mention these are 51cm shells cant pen 100mm? when AP bombs can.

[@mirkomihovilovic1142]

Trying to explain to WG that not because having 1 turret with 1 gun in one ship, with the damage proportionally fixed, with the same sigma and horizontal than yammy and shiki, makes the ship equally accurrate.

[@kayagoksoy]

Well yesterday a shiki pretty much single handedly destroyed my bow in jean bart in less than 4 mins... so...

[@joshuapfaff5558]

Anybody gonna mention the fact the description says "3nd with yamato?"

[@TheDinis553]

Is this the ''Hinderburg Disaster'' that the history books tell us about?

[@NotTheRookie]

How did the Hindenburg score that highly

[@heatplays6270]

Vertical dispersion issues are what plague this thing. You either have a amazing game or a junk game. I don't like it either and barely play it since it's wildly inconsistent.

[@matsab7930]

Yeah, vertical dispersion is the real fun killer. I honestly don’t get why it needs to be so bad for Yamato/ shika compared to other t10’s

[@heatplays6270]

@@matsab7930 Yamato i get it cuz its amazing with the legendary and still very good without when u do a full salvo. Those 2 or 3 extra shells make a huge difference. Shiki tho they really should tighten it up a bit. Not too much. I get it has a fast reload but that doesnt matter when you only have one chance at a broadside or someone spotted for a brief second. Which happens very often.

[@quirkyMakes]

i feel your pain bro

[@victorrondeau2977]

well in my point of view flambass was just very very bad on this first game...

[@danielnelson8304]

Fussy battleship players crack me up

[@xhawkeye8717]

Why does Flambass not like the Montana?

[@flaco777]

How the hell does one make it through all the grind to get to a Mino and still complain about not being able to angle? Especially against a Yama.

[@chadjensen2027]

Angle against Yamato in Minotaur? Good luck with that

[@luke_3_113]

The guns do sound great though!

[@rlets]

There's no sound at all! The shots are silent.

[@Alex-hy9cw]

Just curious, but what is Flamby's deal with Montana?

[@baldap500]

He loves her so much that playing her is sacred to him. Hence the 1000 subs goal to play her.

[@dzello]

Montana is uninteresting therefore he hates her. Basically, it's a boring ship made for people who like beige as a color.

[@FelixRavenhurst]

Imagine making a Premisn't based on the Yamato and fucking it up this bad..

[@trololoev]

Shikishima better then Yamato at secondaries range, Flamy just bad at her.

[@droidmotorola3884]

@@trololoev if you are still building that peace of sheet for secondary's I will have to assume you are a bad player and whether you know if flambass is bad at playing it is an irrelevant opinion.

[@trololoev]

@@droidmotorola3884 Flambass not a bad at playing warships, but bad at playing at this particular ship. Also secondaries still has great angle of fire and still pen 32mm. And also they give 10% reload on main guns.

[@gkagara]

Well tbh the accuracy should be increased, maybe use different armor scheme? Is it steel ship for God sake

[@DapperJeff]

So the Shikishima has 20 inch cannons, has terrible accuracy and only has six of them? Thats a big oof.

[@cgilleybsw]

5:15 - why I gave up on WoWs and anything WG makes.

[@Lemmiatem78]

Anyway to download the Shikishima gun sound for Yamato so you can skip the Shikishima entirely?

[@ragw33d]

the shiki is very hit, miss, miss, miss or bounce when you get good game you love it but most time its frustrating i rather use the musashi

[@hesar1975]

I like Shiki, you very wrong about her.

[@jeffvreeburg531]

I love it🐭

[@Josiah_Trelawny1]

Why Flambass dont wanna play Montana?

[@RoyTs6163]

...and then i saw Hindemburgh...

[@nicholasallen5418]

Your aim was pretty shocking mate

[@mr.cooldude432]

I'd rather play the Vermont and the Kremlin than both of these ships.

[@MrFelicion1986]

Good player vs Bad player means horror rng vs wg says "you get good Hits no matter what you do, cuz every player should have fun". And if you see a german ship with a playername that sounds german then be prepared for a lack of intelligence.

[@deadhorse3389]

So they speak German there?

[@austinbrooks1686]

Oh hey, apparently I was gifted a sub at 5:00

[@miked815]

Back in the day when Yamato and monty were the only t10 bb I got Monty first and it was the biggest mistake in my wows career. It's always been one of the worst ships in game, I probably have less than 100 battles in it because it is the least fun BB to play.

[@lennguyenvan9874]

Haha i buy her with 34k steel . And now she like shit with this gun and 2nd too

[@Carlos7Matute]

i feel the same way with french bbs, always prefer the Richelieu over the Jean Bart.

[@jeffvreeburg531]

I play almost always with the shiki but i think it needs a buff

[@werewulfsco]

I sold mines i absolutely hated it.

[@fipsvonfipsenstein6704]

He wanted 1K Subs? Can someone pls send him some weeb cat ears?