Shin Megami Tensei IV is a Masterpiece.

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[@SimplyDad]

Thanks for the three hundo thousand views join tha new discord: discord.gg/qY2gcWb

[@Gaming4BoringGrownUps]

Jesus, ever since they released Persona 5, Atlus has been mum about this supposed Switch exclusive...

[@bootywarrior6845]

@Jean I NEED SMTV

[@someguy4405]

Simply Dad We use these laughing emojis because otherwise we’d cry.

[@bootywarrior6845]

@TheNervousGamer ! where?

[@SimplyDad]

It’s just an update reaffirming that SMT V and Re:Fantasy are still being worked on

[@Duskets]

Minotaur fight flowchart: *START* -> Did you get Walter? -> Yes -> Reload save

[@Janosevic80]

"Centaur will destroy your ass" Me getting a game over in the training quest ok

[@someguyparagon5273]

Yeah Naraku may seem beginner friendly but if your not careful... Well you already experience it first hand...

[@matthiasweaver7810]

You guys only died once? I actually died like a half dozen times before even getting to the Domain

[@b_Wtv14]

I got the game yesterday and I’ve already got a party wipe like 3 times 50 minutes in lmao

[@nutanddash8552]

Fucking Mokoi smartass wont join me

[@b_Wtv14]

dumbass it be like that

[@someguy4405]

“Kill everyone to prevent them from suffering.” That some villainous Final Fantasy X logic right there.

[@LaerHeiSeiRyuu]

Sure makes you wonder what this whole life game is about yknow

[@eirzaa0429]

Isn't that basically Thanos' goal but he was actually kinder and spared half the universe so they would thrive

[@Viper-py4pg]

Eirzaa 04 Thanos should’ve taken a quarter of the population away and tripled the resources so we lead ourselves to a fat, happy, Wall-E style end 🥳

[@Slappaccino]

@@eirzaa0429 no. Thanos is a maniacal narcissist who has a hard on for Death. Those terrible movies made him into an emo little bitch. He's nothing like that in the source material.

[@Slappaccino]

That is pretty much Seymour's mindset in FFX lol. Sin is eternal, and death is a release.

[@ChoiceSnarf]

Lucifer finally achieves his dream of being a cute anime girl.

[@RePhantomz]

he was luoissa ferra before in strange journey. it count as anime girl.....i think lol

[@Fizz-Q]

@@RePhantomz you just spoiled my shit Bro... I was having a good time and then i just got spoiled bro why

[@RePhantomz]

@@Fizz-Q dude that game is few years old. strange journey is even older then SMT 4 to begin with. not to mention this is youtube comment section. you should avoid it if you dont want any random spoiler hit you

[@Fizz-Q]

@@RePhantomz yeah but i wasn't expecting it

[@harishramachandra1746]

@@Fizz-Q bruh Louisa Ferre literally means Lucifer

[@wkcreasman]

"A man who loses the ability to be kind is little different than a Demon himself" -Jonathan, *Shin Megami Tensei IV*

[@chaconaso4932]

Funny how he just says fuck it, genocide time

[@ApexGale]

@@chaconaso4932 i mean that's the entire point, walter and jonathan start with sympathetic worldviews that become more radical the longer they spend time in Tokyo.

[@dmua9551]

Actually, only Walter slowly falls into radicalization, you can see confliction with Jonathan all the way until he turns into Merkabah. He doesn't really enjoy the idea of commiting Genocide or dying for the sake of God's law, he just feels like he didn't have much of a choice and he was willing to defend his people to the end. SMT IV's cast really gets undersold sometimes, I think.

[@alexterieur8813]

@@ApexGale exactly!!! People say jonathan and walter do not have charavter development, but the thing is they dont develop psychologically, but rather morally (each going into the extremes)

[@cabracadabra_4256]

​@@chaconaso4932 spoilers, but to be fair he does become a demon

[@nesoukkefka1741]

SMTIV's Minotaur is like Matador in Nocturne, if you never play a SMT before he is the boss to remind you these games want you dead and they want you dead very very badly XD

[@arctohru]

Other JRPGs: haha buffs are useless any smt game: *Matador, Trumpeter and Minotaur slapping the HP out the player*

[@bakegyamon3]

CRITS FOR DAYS

[@nesoukkefka1741]

@@arctohru Matador is more like Piccolo perfect pupil he knows how to dodge XD

[@joanjoestar3252]

Matador is harder though

[@nesoukkefka1741]

@@joanjoestar3252 Matador really isn't that hard once you know what the game expect you to do, I argue Minotaur is tougher on some aspect cause their is some part you have no control on (if you get unlucky and get Walter as a guest then you are at a huge disadvantage before the fight even start ^^) and he globally hit harder for the point of the game he is than Matador at the point of the game he was and Minotaur tends to crit more often (I actually Matador Crit during his boss fight even on Hard XD).

[@justanotherguywithamoustac8893]

Yeah it was really fun when Navarre's horniness killed him

[@lambling]

LOL

[@Youhadabadday2021]

At least he gets redemption with a kid that was straight up killed in the first few minutes of the game.

[@maceymazakas1773]

My favorite moment of the game is when you are finding out the secret of the reds. I called the whole “the pills are really people” from the beginning, but just the way you have to go through an upside down building to find out the twisted truth is amazing. Using the two kid quotes to let you connect the dots is terrifying. The game doesn’t outright have the other characters spell it out either, which I think makes it that much more impactful.

[@maxdaviid]

The Minotaur's fight is a turning point in the game - You learn how the game flows or you quit it.

[@gscollect]

Exactly

[@UncannyEXP]

This was a hell of an experience after playing Persona 5. And that was my first Megaten game, too.

[@EpicMinecraftFail]

Persona is underwhelming compared to smt tbh

[@joshshrum2764]

UncannyStageRage Apocalypse for me.

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

@@EpicMinecraftFail not really but your entitled to your opinion

[@EpicMinecraftFail]

@@raidoukuzonoha883 yes really but you are entitled to your opinion

[@MastreBaitre]

Black Frost I think both smt and persona are great never understood the hate for persona it may be more popular considering its just the spin offs but I like to think because of that popularity people who want more can then get into the smt series it was thanks to persona that’s how I got here aswell

[@CJojo_13_]

This is a pretty solid video! However, I think you were off about a lot of things towards the last 3rd of the video. Blasted and Infernal Tokyo are worlds forged from alternative decisions made by the Counter-Demon Force member who would reincarnate as Flynn. These aren't worlds created by the different endings of SMT 4. The Tokyo of the main game is created by the man who decided to prioritize protecting the people and sacrificed himself as a vessel for Masakado to create a protective dome, so that Tokyo wouldn't be destroyed during God's plan (Neutral world). This is (at least partially) why Flynn could unsheathe the katana that summons Masakato in the Neutral route and why Tokyo was covered by a dome in the first place. Blasted Tokyo is created by pre-Flynn being unable or unwilling to interfere in God's plan to annihilate and recreate the Earth (Law world). Infernal Tokyo is pre-Flynn teaming with Kenji (another former Counter-Demon Force member) and dying fighting off God's minions while protecting Kenji (Chaos world). More evidence is shown by the existence of Akira in Blasted and Infernal Tokyo, while he is the deceased King Aquila in main Tokyo (later reincarnated as Nanashi). Akira is responsible for the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado. This is something that was strongly implied with Akira's dialogue in Blasted Tokyo (Johnathan makes a remark that he'll be King Akira of the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado), and explicitly shown through Nanashi's flashbacks of being Akira in SMT 4 Apocalypse. The reason Akira reincarnated as Nanahsi is because he died after Mikado was created on the surface above Tokyo (because the flow of time is much faster above Tokyo, which is why Nanashi is a 15 year old by the time SMT 4 happens). The White was trying to show Flynn that no matter whether he preserved or destroyed order, he would end up creating a world *like* the ones he traveled through. It wouldn't make sense for Mikado in the Law Ending to become Blasted Tokyo. It also wouldn't make sense for Akira to reincarnate as Akira again. The reason The White doesn't show a Neutral world is because Flynn lives in that Neutral world. The White Ending is (subjectively) the worst one, since Megami Tensei is set across a multiverse. There are billions of worlds that suffer through greater or lesser conflicts (Persona, Digital Devil Saga, Devil Survivor, etc). You ultimately accomplish nothing by deciding to end a single universe, other than admit that humans are too weak to keep pushing through adversity. The White's Plan is doomed from the start, they don't even accomplish what they set out to do, they just purge one of billions of universes. Plus what they are proposing is for there to be absolutely nothing. Isn't it part of being human to live through the good and bad that life brings? The White ending really isn't any better than Persona 3's bad ending. The Neutral Ending is framed narratively as being the best ending (like it is in most SMT games, which politically I have problems with since it leans to glorifying the status quo, rather than presenting anything to fix to systemic issues). It's the only ending that stays true to what Flynn's prior incarnation believed in. It's implied that it's the path that Stephen and Burroughs wanted Flynn to follow, as he is able to (mostly) restore Tokyo, fully revive the Goddess of Tokyo (which Burroughs is designed to resemble), and reignite the hopes of humanity for a better future. I commend anyone who took the time to read all of what I typed. Edit: Anyone that doubts my claims after seeing that Simply Dad disagrees with me, should look at the comments below, where I explore lore from SMT III: Nocturne, SMT IV DLC, SMT IV:A (and it's DLC), and SMT If... to back my claims that the multiverse is a part of Megami Tensei canon. I also mainly try to also interpret the story as a standalone game aswell. I think this is interesting, so let's have a discussion. :) Edit 2: as abesolutzero has said, it's pretty darn obvious that Walter is Kenji reincarnated and Johnathan is Kiyoharu's reincarnated form.

[@SimplyDad]

Lmaooooo none of that shit is correct but fuck it bro it’s ya life

[@Reoko77]

@@SimplyDad Actually daddy-o, he is correct. In the Diamond realms DLC of apocalypse, it is confirmed that the nexus, the place it takes place in is the gateways to multiple universes. You meet the protagonists of the other series, bring them in from their deaths and recorrect the course of their respective timelines. The Great Will, the ultimate creator of the devil, god, etc is implied to be the player himself, YOU. You are the great will, guiding the protagonist in whatever will you choose, thus creating a universe. Everytime you start up a playthrough, you are essentially creating a universe. And yes, it is implied the side series falls into this category as well. Its some mind blowing, 4th wall meta shit that was KINDA confirmed by the developers in order to connect the series together. At first, they didnt plan on connecting anything together but fans kept asking. Its like trying to tie together the entire Final fantasy series. But in all considerations, dude is right. Apocalypse may not be for everyone but it give out better lore and background awnsers.

[@SimplyDad]

No, it’s not LMAO, in SMT IV, not apocalypse, the world is really self contained, the two future Tokyo’s are explained pretty well in the DLC and the NPC dialogue explains all of this, especially things like why there’s cocoons in Tokyo and what they are specifically.

[@Reoko77]

@@SimplyDad Well, in 4, it is self contained in a way but WAS. It was changed when apocalypse released. The multiverse rules in the series change from game to game dating all the way back to the second game but apocalypse gives more detail. In the 4, all three universes of Tokyo visited by Flynn are on the same time spot, as the same cataclysm took place 25 years ago is often referred to by residences of all three universes, but not into great detail. It wasn't untill apocalypse came put and but more detail in, thus changing the rules once more. Apocalypse starts near the end of the neutral route of 4, but remember, thats ONE universe. Theres another one in which it did NOT. theres another where nanashi sides with law, another which he sides with chaos, another which he sides with Flynn, etc. Every choice the Great Will makes, (You) it creates another branching timelines, thus, another universe. The reason rules had changed and more details where made was because of YHVH. Steven tells us that YHVH was once the main avatar, but it grew arrogant enough to declare itself independent from the Great Will and sought to bring the multiverse under its control. Think of YHVH being a program you create to help with your computer but decides that he can do your job better, takes over your whole computer and decides to run it himself. But I digress. Im getting off track. My main point is basically some of the series has their own universe that branches off into OTHER worlds due to player choice but they are linked and one game world can intervene with others. (Like SMT 2 Aleph appearing in SMT 3). But in all reality, it is actually up to us to interpret this. One of the creators of the series stated its up to player interpretation and choice how it it all goes. For one person, it can all be connected. To another, its all self contained. Hell there are those who say the Strange journey series is the main one but their not wrong, nor are they right. Its up to us to determine that. So daddo, you are technically right. After all, all of us are "The Great Will" of the series so ultimately, its up to us.

[@puzzle_boy]

One of the things I love from not only this game but from the whole series itself it's how much players could discuss about what it's actually happening... Personally. I think the two other worlds we visit in SMT4 are alternate timelines that are real. Not the direct future for the mainstory. That's why Akira is still alive in them. But I'm not sure about The White Ones. I think they are well aware about the multiverses so you can interpret their ending as the actual end of ALL the universes (although that would be so much power for that Yamato PR machine. A power to delete even gods doesn't seem too believable) While not MY favorite ending I agree it's one of the best in the entire series showing us a very nihilistic version of things. Not a bad or good one. That's up to us, the players. Like always. You can side law, or you can side chaos, or any of them. No option is incorrect nor completely correct. It's exactly the same this time. And that's what SMT is truly trying to teach us. The implications of one side or another while learning about ourselves. Not a definitive morale answer.

[@SmileRYO]

One of the most otherworldly game ost's I've heard in my life.

[@guidosaur7506]

The fact that this game made me feel so invested into the universe while being a storybook layout makes me so sad that smt v made me feel pretty much nothing with fully 3D cutscenes

[@loope9421]

SMTV felt like a jrpg while SMTlV felt realistic and a thing of it it’s own.

[@guidosaur7506]

@@loope9421 I just beat strange journey redux the other day. v left me with a big SMT hole in my heart and now I wanna play IV again haha

[@jacopom.7477]

What? Shin megami tensei v is better in every single way, aside the story

[@cheerfulgestalt3282]

28:11 Did they change the sound effect for Isabeau cutting her throat? I remember it being far more guttural, like she's choking on her blood the moment she does it. Edit: Yup, that's not the original sound.

[@KatanaRikku]

Probably just a subtle edit by Simply Dad. I noticed it too.

[@HuhWhatHuhwhatHuh]

SMT IV is the apex predator of RPG’s

[@michaeloberti7140]

You forgot about the silly moments (Isabeau fangirling about manga, Jonathan beliving he's a cat...)

[@someguyparagon5273]

Walter many funny faces and some funny dialogue when talking to demons...

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

Yea he just ignores things like that

[@tendatonda1634]

@@raidoukuzonoha883 dude iv seen you in every reply section ,do you have a goal ?

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

tenda tonda no not rlly idc tbh lemme speak my mind man like geez

[@puzzle_boy]

Well those things don't ruin the atmosphere at all. Isabeau's manga was something interesting to me. Representing that very human need of romance and inspirational fiction.

[@Naokiniyon]

tips for everyone wanting to enjoy the smt on any series. in an atlus game, a game over will happend to anyone so dont destroy your console and give up multiple endings are on all main smt so be ready for a multiple playthroughs over level is a must if you want it to be a little bit easier go everywhere dont miss a spot always look for the weaknesses dont be afraid to fuse and trying new skills dekunda rakunda debilitate heat raiser look for these kind of skills. have all element at your disposal when roaming have a specific element at boss fights always debuff enemies/boss always buff your team money is a must item is a must side quest is a must demon skills variety is a must be open minded on the storyline it actually mirrors society if not in an exagerated manner enjoy the games and you will learn a lot from strategy, choices, relationships and life.

[@snuggie1849]

This advice is big brain time

[@tzabaotheligoletxorrea2114]

@Josiah Sepulveda some people fun with quantum mechanics, if you dont, just play Candy Crush 😉

[@akinelahi576]

I love competitive games. A good way of brainstorming for the promising but a bad choice for the relaxed.

[@akinelahi576]

@Josiah Sepulveda i didn't play the mobile game and don't know what sort of mechanics are there. I was talking about the 3ds SMTIV where the rewards are satisfying for making the correct decision and on the contrary punishing for the wrong ones.

[@akinelahi576]

@Josiah Sepulveda why would anyone attempt this game without collecting a demon? Does the mobile game demands cash for demons? I bought some dlcs in SMTIV which had unique ones but not absolute necessity

[@TCGNistro]

17:50 bro that point you made about the music sounding like you could hear in the demons in the distance is something I've never really put together but that I hear it, it creeps the hell out of me. Even after me beating the game multiple times for all the endings.

[@Percival917]

You REALLY went ALL THAT TIME without even MENTIONING the Neutral route? Really?

[@ArkayneShad0w]

why do you need to mention the neutral route

[@namoma4922]

Most people disregard neutral because they see it as boring(since you don t end problems for any sude,just give humanity a fighting chance) and uninterinsting(doing sidequest they didn t like.).Plus its a little too consensual(only point i understand,even though i don t see it being bad

[@doughnut5945]

@@ArkayneShad0w It is the only plausible option

[@CJMoody]

@@namoma4922 People who don't like the neutral ending are wrong, end of story.

[@CJMoody]

@@LZ51190 Fuck the white ending!!

[@wakyblarg]

God I love this game. In my top 5 of all time. I kinda wish they would port a bunch of awesome 3ds games like this to Switch somehow.

[@LaerHeiSeiRyuu]

No. Buy a 3DS.

[@wakyblarg]

@@LaerHeiSeiRyuu I think you're right. I need to get an original 3ds.

[@lemon9251]

@@wakyblarg You can emulate it on a PC. Buying a 3DS is a bit of a waste. I have a limited 3DS model and it just collects dust because I've played basically everything on the 3DS at this point

[@cacklegag3284]

I discovered SMT through Devil Survivor, I thought it was a masterpiece

[@jjpemfr8882]

But Strange Journey is a game that brings you a psychological terror that builds the ideals of many that occurred later in history.....

[@junker154]

SMT4 was such a masterpiece, it hooked me like no other game into its world. The atmosphere, world building, tough combat, characters and music just were so well crafted that it left me absolutely baffled how such a masterpiece was never replicated or continued in the same fashion.

[@ibeyoutubin2]

that sirlionhart clip still cracks me up.

[@flyingplantwhale545]

This is the only game from the franchise I ever got to play. Ended up in my top 10 favourites of all time. The story is absolutely insane. A masterpiece is an apt description for sure.

[@meisterottmardergroe8804]

Shin Megami Tensei 5 will be one of the best JRPGs of all time I can feel it.

[@WhiteFangofWar]

This one actually got me into the rest of the series, including the spinoffs. While I don't share your disdain for Persona I'm glad to see such appreciation for this underappreciated gem, and I actually hope that SMTV sticks with or even steps up the unapologetically grim atmosphere IV built, giving you numerous paths with advantages and disadvantages, with the hardest to reach one being the only 'good' ending.

[@mistassweater3649]

There seems to be a trend of 8-10 years between each one. So hopefully we'll hear more on development in the next year or so. I remember with persona 5 there were so many delays but Atlus always makes it worth the wait.

[@WhiteFangofWar]

@@mistassweater3649 Fingers crossed. Black Mesa took fifteen years to come out and it's apparently pretty good. Just hope this isn't a Duke Nukem Forever scenario.

[@puttputt3937]

I've always liked SMTIV... but I gotta say, this video just made just wow, can truly feel the love and care that they put into SMTIV.

[@bugsterlincapoop7900]

I need to buy this one the way you expressed it really got me interested in owning it so I can wait for smt5

[@loope9421]

Bugster Lincapoop this game is fucking insane it’s a must buy especially for that amazing soundtrack.

[@muchfunnysuchcomedy]

I'm drunk so I hope this doesn't come off insincere but I love you and everyone who has an appreciation for the absolute humanity this series displays. You're all wonderful and we will survive this nightmare, surely.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

The only thing I disagree with in the video is the map. There is a difference between being lost while exploring, and being unable to navigate to my next objective. I had to open a map on my computer and try to draw out my route just to progress the story at certain points and gave up on navigating side-quests because I couldn't find them either. And ruined Tokyo overworld has nothing compelling about it to me. It is just a grey blob I walk around in trying to find the actual content.

[@charlyj1321]

So true. I feel like what they were going for with the map with a fallout new vegas or breath of the wild type thing where theres shit to do everywhere but the way quests and side content work in this game it doesn't really work lmao. If they had side quests and content trigger in real time as you discover the places they would take place in it would make the game so much better. But in reality all you're doing is bouncing between empty and meaningless areas until you find the place that you need to go to progress the story.

[@darkhorse744]

@@charlyj1321 It's essentially a Map of actual Tokyo, it's helpful if you know how to Navigate Tokyo, which the Majority of the world doesn't, glad they fixed it in Apocalypse.

[@kroomzy]

Persona fan here(please don't throw stones at me yet). I love both Persona & SMT series. Watching this video makes me want to get the game SMT: IV for the story alone. I love how it teaches you that suffering is a part of life.

[@meisterottmardergroe8804]

Your are one of the good Persona fans. We only hate Persona Fans who are spamming the same jokes over and over again.

[@NIHIL_EGO]

@@meisterottmardergroe8804 Yu is such a chad !

[@meisterottmardergroe8804]

@@NIHIL_EGO Looking cool Yu!!

[@surike]

@@meisterottmardergroe8804 burn my bread

[@surike]

@@meisterottmardergroe8804 aigis is best girl

[@Raidohnator]

Are you planning to make videos about the rest of the series? Would love to hear your thoughts on Strange Journey!

[@KiarOdyssey]

I've never done the white ending, why did you make it so. Haunting

[@jorgeelias385]

Because the ending feels so damn haunting but hollow at the same time

[@eternalinnocent9506]

Cuz them whites are edgy

[@Titanxzero1]

Eh I guess that's a matter of personal tastes, I still like Turn-Based RPGs.

[@johnclopez96]

Same

[@mortaldragon2]

Same here. They are only boring to those that don't like them.

[@Genethagenius]

While I like the quality-of-life improvements that “SMT IV: Apocalypse” made, I think that, besides “Nocturne” (which was my first SMT game I played back when it came out in 2004), I have played through “SMT IV” multiple times. And I’m someone who RARELY replays JRPG’s even though I love them. The length is usually what makes me not want to replay them. I enjoy turn-based battles, and don’t find them boring. (Both Chess & Poker are turn-based if you think about it). However, I like what Atlus and other developers have done with turn-based gameplay like the press turn system and others. (And even bring an experience SMT player, the Minotaur stomped my ass the first time I fought him. But honestly, David gave me more trouble early game, lol).

[@DarkMatterZero]

I do like how the wholeset up of Naraku makes you think like, oh this might be a huge dungeon based jrpg where you delve in yo deeper and deeper floors of a single dungeon. Then it pulls Tokyo out on you and your like what!

[@PinClockFuntime]

Damn dude the raw feeling you put into this video. It's very rare that a video game analysis has such raw emotion when discussing a game to the point where how it impacted you feels like it's passing on to me. Thanks for reminding me why I subbed to this amazing channel

[@AkashiNano]

So like, here's the thing if I'm allowed to share my experience (and sorry in advanced, this is going to get a bit lengthy) but the Yamato Perpetual Reactor was the very first ending I got for SMTIV. It was accidental--I was playing in the bathroom and maybe I didn't really understand the implications of what I was doing at the time, but by the time I caught myself, I was in the battle with the Reactor and Burroughs was speaking with that consternated voice of hers and well, the only way through was forward. For a really long time after I got that ending, I didn't play SMTIV again. Something didn't feel right and I couldn't really get it in me to replay the game if that was the ending but I'd played tons of SMT games before so eventually I dusted myself off and started anew. It was meticulous work getting through the other endings. I went Chaos first then Law and I bounced in between those trying to figure out how to get Neutral never managing to do it since I vowed that I wouldn't look anything up because I have purist tendencies like that and the more I bounced between endings, the more I had to fight and kill my friends, the more I had to see how these empty ideals that all hinged on some sort of desperation and response to hopelessness, the more hopeless I got in turn. One of the things that always fucked me up was Reverse Roppongi and finding out the true ingredients of the reds. It was truly the price of freedom--of the limited order of Tokyo and it broke me going through those labs every time. The last ending I have registered on my SMTIV game is the Yamato Perpetual Reactor ending. The Neutral ending's still eluded me and the last time I played, I guess I got so frustrated with it all that choosing nothing was better than choosing destruction. SMTIV's a good fucking game y'all and thank you so so so much for giving words to the sort of experience it's fans have been having for almost a decade.

[@LaerHeiSeiRyuu]

Thats rad bro

[@KotoCrash]

I got unbelievably lucky my first playthrough of SMT4 and got the neutral ending. But I can't help but feel my luck robbed me of that Isabeau fight, feels like such a stand out moment I never got to experience.

[@B4tmayne]

i just played smt IV for the first time a few months back after never playing a megaten game and only knowing that attempting to play persona put me to sleep and holy shit i've never related to a video so much. I have over 700 hours on iv and apocalypse and have gotten all the endings in both even though i never fuckin get invested in games but holy shit its so fucking good dude like ive been searching for another game to fill the void smt iv has brought to my attention but i can't even start to look for it because i don't even know how to tell people how fucking amazing this game is jesus dude like there is no high like conquering all who dare cross you for you are the lord of chaos and discourse and have the power of the eternal gods kneeling at your side

[@B4tmayne]

wait i do gotta add tho that even tho i agree with the "never getting lost" thing, i straight walked around the world map for about 4 hours my second day playing because god forbid i didn't walk far enough under the god damn covering at the ueno pond to trigger the peallaidh fight

[@SimplyDad]

Catch me w my 3000 hours on this joint, 34 playthrus and counting and im STILL discovering new shit to this day

[@RickyHadou]

Playing it for the first time ( those Eshop sales) I bought SMT 4 and SMT 4 apocalypse. Been playing 4 for over an hour now and I can’t seem to stop playing. There’s so much about this game. The fact that when you die, you can make a deal with the ferryman of the River of Styx because he doesn’t wanna accept anymore souls because of overpopulation is just perfection. The Dialog in this game is absolutely superb. I can’t wait to fully dive into this game. Game is definitely unapologetic hard, but I’m not complaining.

[@puzzle_boy]

This video/review is a masterpiece... Not. Really. It's perfectly edited. You put tears in my eyes. Shin Megami Tensei IV changed my (gaming) life. Its setting, plot and the issues it deals with makes you think more about the real world, humankind, existence and most importantly, yourself (my first ending was the nihilist one and that was really tough...) But that's not all! It's not only a very introspective and philosophical experience... Its gameplay mechanics, battle system, fusion, recruitment, etc and pace are so freakin' addictive and entertaining. It's not a perfect game, I know, but it does exactly what every videogame should do. And because all of that and much more it's still my favorite game in life. And introduced me into my nowadays favorite game series with no doubt. Btw Minotaur was nothing compare to Beelzebub. That damned god! Stupid sickness... Even that's symbolic, you can be a superman in combats but sickness could kill you anyway ;-;

[@loope9421]

Oscar Valenzuela This was my first Shin Megami Tensei game and my favorite game of all time as well.The soundtrack and atmosphere are something I’ve never experienced before and that battle system is soo rewarding!

[@smtandearthboundsuck8400]

4:32 « Nothing worse than feeling like you’re uninvolved in the combat of a game » >Defends P3 tactics.

[@rafianming2929]

Pokemon is cringe and suckass get the hell out

[@smtandearthboundsuck8400]

@@rafianming2929 Pokemon Games are shit too. But mald harder please.

[@linktothafuture]

Yeah the isabeau part really fucking shook me. I finished this game for the first time today (chaos end) and fucking God..that isabeau part was really the saddest part for me

[@ridleyroid9060]

You know, I see no SMT love almost anywhere online, so thank you man. I remember first purchasing my 3DS to play the Ace Attorney games and Bravely Default but since I was a fan of Persona 3, Raidou Kuzunoha and Devil Survivor I decided to pick up SMT IV cause I had some spare budget I could throw around. It ended up being the most played game in my library and I loved almost every second of it (some wandering around got a bit tedious when the overworld enemies would just pull a nothing personell kid on you)

[@lemon9251]

wow u have taste ..i loved ace attorney and bravely.. though the last part of bravely was a mess ;;

[@ridleyroid9060]

@@lemon9251 Funnily enough, i have not purchased bravely still. I purchased nearly all smt games, all Ace attorney games (including DGS 1, 2 is on the way) and a monster hunter game, but I lost my will to play bravely. Idk why.

[@lemon9251]

@@ridleyroid9060 u should definitely play it, it is one of the better 3ds games imo. Though like I said, it heavily suffers at the end. The quality of the first chapters are great but then it becomes a disaster of recycling everything that made those first chapters.

[@ridleyroid9060]

@@lemon9251 I will play it eventually, dw. I want to play it and Octopath. I have to support turn based RPGs the best that I can, cause companies somehow think that we don't want turn based. They're wrong goddamit!!

[@lemon9251]

@@ridleyroid9060 turn based needs to evolve, that's why. Like dqxi has done pretty well. The battle system has become repetitive over the years and needs some appeal like free roam, dodge mechanics, open world integration, no random encounters etc.

[@WildArmsV]

JRPG are really boring... until you do the effort to understand them :O

[@SimplyDad]

I understand that they’re boring

[@Nightxx9199]

@@SimplyDad A pretty good one in stella glow, as the story is pretty damn nice, the music is godly like most atlus games, though it plays similarly to fire emblem and luminous arc, where as you move characters on the over world and have close range, far range attackers, and witches who sing to use magic and change up the battle music

[@zombyjano]

SMT has this very dreamlike atmosphere to it. I'm not talking about all the demons and magic. I mean just the feel of them. They remind me of when you beat Silent Hill 1, and after the credits, you start back to when Harry wakes up in the diner.

[@travanosymonette9079]

SMT 4 was my first introduction to the Megami Tensei franchise and I fell in love with it. I bought it to olay on a road trip and played it the whole way. I felt so immersed in the game and loved the dark tones of the world SMT 4 built. The demon fusion system was constantly rewarding and the demons themselves had great design and personality. The music simply put, perfect. The combat, the most engaging in an rpg for me. It was challenging, but never felt unfair to me. The demon fusion system allows for customization and strategy. The battles don't overstay their welcome. Never felt the need to do serious grinding, just "get gud". Lastly, I like the way they did "random encounters", by allowing you to see the silhouettes of the demons so you can go around them if you want too. Most battles it was my choice to get into them. I also love Devil Survivor Overclocked and Strange Journey Redux bith I played after 4. I'm so glad I found SMT 4, it is a great introduction to the franchise.

[@OtakuNewsSource]

While I got into the series with Devil Survivor 1, then Persona 3 FES, SMT IV was my first real SMT game. It did take me quite awhile to beat it, but I do love it and think it's great. I loved the atmosphere of being down in Tokyo and how it's a sharp contrast to what you're brought up with in the Kingdom of Mikado at first. Also, the characters were great. I don't think every character in media needs to have some tragic 5 hour backstory to make them "believable" in any sense. SMT IV characters were all great in their own way. They felt natural with their interactions to one another and to the world around them. Walter and Isabeau ended up being my favorites. I know that the 3 mains you're partnered with represent specific paths with their own ideologies, but I think the writing was strong enough for them to make them genuinely good characters on their own that makes you wonder which side you should choose. Despite getting Neutral ending on first playthrough with Isabeau, I felt myself sliding with Walter a lot at times. Saw that P5 logo at the end. Not sure if I'm ready for Dad's P5 Is Lacking video since P5 is my favorite in the entire MegaTen franchise, but I'm sure you'll bring up strong points as usual to back up your thoughts. lmao

[@ArtFenixAsordis]

Just watched this till the very end and fucking loved it! Such an amazing video, dude! Clearly you've put a lot into creating it! Then I saw myself in the credits (my footage was used for making this video) - I'm happy my vids were useful, even if by a little bit, because this is such a great and thoughtful video - one of the best videos about one of my most favourite games! I'm currently making a complete neutral route walkthrough, which I'm uploading on my second channel (post Game boss). Thank you for this vid man! :)

[@SimplyDad]

Thanks for making what you make, hope the walkthrough goes well!

[@ArtFenixAsordis]

@@SimplyDad thanks! It is! I've also made a few videos where I absolutely annihilate the hardest bosses in the game with my OP character (solo or with only 1 demon).

[@scolkereybel]

I had never played a SMT game before 4. I was 16 when the game came out, and never played anything outside of a GBA game, or a DS game. So much was new to me, and the unfolding story was incredible. But what really pulled me in was how there was no other game like it at the time. The 3D environment, the fast-paced rpg mechanics, the story that never seemed to end but you couldn't tire of. There was so much implied without ever being explained. The abandoned locations with records on fighting the demons, the equipment better than mine implying there was an entire group of people better than me who still lost, people with the technology to teleport all over tokyo, the very people who made your gauntlet. The fact you can return to Mikado after going to Tokyo was so great too, and how out of place you know you are now, now that you know the truth. Searching for the Black Samurai changes from trying to hunt down a villain, to hunting down the truth. But I could never complete the game. It was too much for me, and stopped playing for too long. It was an odyssey, and no matter how much I enjoyed it, I couldn't find the stamina in me to complete it. I want to thank you for making this video, because I don't think I could bring myself to playing this game again. But thanks to you, I at least understand what I would have been met with.

[@lucidvalidity7056]

Smt 4 had the best aesthetic and best playstyle in my opinion it let's you see once you step inside your first dungeon and analyze the floor that your going to be walking on a road close too death and the twist when you uncover what's hidden turned this game inside out and genuinely got me interested like crazy the gameplay and simple mechanics make it look so nice and fun too see layout

[@bureiz]

I come back to videos like these... This is a masterpiece of a video, showing a masterpiece of a game. Amazing. Speechless.

[@AxessDaRiptide]

I finished SMT 4 about two month ago because of this video and i only got two words. Thank you.

[@XradicalD]

I got into SMTIV from Persona 5 (which I got into due Joker being in Smash) and boy I wasn't ready for it. I personally love games with bleak worlds, not much on the apocalyptic kind of deal but in humanity's existence being questioned. It's hard to explain, but SMT IV puts it extremely well. I've always heard how the SMT games are hard as heck but the Naraku tutorial really kicked my rear, I remember getting the game on citra and spend hours trying to figure it out, then getting the game for real on 3DS just to play it handheld. The twist and turns of the story left me mentally drained. I got the Nihilist ending first, since nothing felt like a proper option for me (demons were cruel, angels felt like a blasphemous portrayal of the real ones, what else?) after that it was law, then chaos and finally neutral. The neutral one felt poorly written in my opinion, a safe option for the sake of having one. After 158 hours, I was done with the game. A part of me wishes to always be playing this game on an endless cycle, but a bigger part just wanted to be done with it (I was already burnt out lol). Amazing title, among my top favorite games of all time, which came as a surprise. Kinda wished I bought all the dlc for it before close of the 3DS shop. Hopefully it gets a proper port or something.

[@BlackbeardGaming-]

You got a new sub, I may have a Persona picture but SMT IV is my favorite game as well. And you made an amazing job explaining what makes this game so fucking amazing.

[@SiFTWofficial]

Well done on this vid! I agree SMT IV is a Masterpiece. This popped up in my recommend and now I'm checking your channel out!

[@KokoroNoSama]

This has to be the 7th time watching this since it was uploaded. Even in the background of road trips its just so good.

[@jasonenns5076]

The only game where I hate the neutral ending. In this perspective I would choose either law or chaos... Most likely law because there is some remaining order.

[@simsim87727]

I'm playing this right now. It holds up quite well for a 3ds game. I thought I would go for easy mode but it's been going alright so far, I think it's manageable and the battles go by quickly so very little time is wasted if you lose. I'm in Shinjuku.

[@jasg7894]

4 and Apocalypse have some of my favourite music

[@ironzombi]

One of the only games I finished and started the next playthrough straight away, although not finished my third playthrough yet, amazing game.

[@vivid8979]

Ding ding ding!! I'm from the future and this will be remastered... On Switch.

[@g______balll6674]

Yoyoyoyoyo hey brotha

[@W1ll88]

I'm sorry I didn't get into SMT earlier. I hope more people do, because we need them to make Shin Megami Tensei 5: The Animation like they did Persona.

[@charlyj1321]

How they gonna do an animation the games gonna have lots of endings and routes

[@VeilKou]

I actually never lose any boss fights, the random battles are what fuck me up. I get too complacent.

[@AnonYmous-xw1jn]

SMT 4 is one of the best games I've ever played, period.

[@beiwubsnsod7378]

I unironically love apocalypse just as much as IV.

[@bugsterlincapoop7900]

Same hear

[@demitheskullkid1001]

Yea me too

[@zerochill4096]

Same. Both games have a bunch of great pros to them.

[@soragranda]

I get why some purist hate it though, but to me is like the perfect game to recommend to my casual rpg friends (aka persona fans friends) and others who wants to dive in the franchise, is the only one I could say is newcommer friendly. It makes them understand the press turn, and give them a taste of the difficulty they could found in other mainline titles. It's a great game overall, also the edgy ending is fine, and the humanity ending is also interesting (is really faithful, though... Some people hate that).

[@soratheorangejuicemascot5809]

Is smt4 Apoc still recommended? I wanna play the game despite the flaws.

[@tysonevarard968]

4:12 This is exactly why I like Xenoblade chronicles so much It mixes in that element of jrpg with a kind of rts mentality. I love it so much.

[@Awaken_To_0]

Honestly, the hardest part of SMT IV for me is just finding my way around. I still haven't beaten it because I just get lost.

[@wkcreasman]

Goddamnit I will wait another 3 years just so that SMT V can stand up to this magnum opus of an experience

[@stubo237]

Hey man I just started playing this game and I gotta say, there would have been no way I would've started it without this vid. Like I have no words to describe how this game has made me feel with it's story, characters and world, along with the phenomenal ost. I just wanna say thanks for making this vid, because I'm definitely gonna go play all the smt games I can after beating iv

[@alezarde211]

I can’t even physically go for the other routes besides neutral. Knowing I have to kill Isabeau to keep going down that path and the brutal questions she asks and her reactions to what you’ve chosen are brutal. Neutral Route all the way

[@raaaaqj4uh]

It would have been different if you actually kill Isabeau , but the girl loves Flynn to much to let him do that...and kills herself..yeah neutral route is best.

[@leninthebeaniesouhacker.2459]

4:47 that's why i prefer 3d grid turn-based systems, because there is a whole another layer of depth in the gameplay by having stuff like aoes, range, action points, movement points, etc, 2 games that execute that really well are age of wonders planetfall, and underrail, AoW withs a hex based grid and x-com stuff like cover, overwatch, but imo it's better because of limit range of overwatch, another cool thing about it is the stagger mechanic, it makes a unit loose one ap of 3 available, unless it's stagger resistant, the it needs a stagger of a highier tier to loose ap, it helps stop overwatch spam since it disables overwatch, all melee weapons have at least the minimun level of sttager to compensate for their range, as well as a melee overwatch that activates automaticaly once you end your turn, making it advantageous to position your melee units properly, and talking about underrail now, it's combat system is kinda the usual but what's good about it is before that, the preparation, can't deal with assault rifle users? craft a tactical vest, energy damage or grenades destroying you? craft a energy shield, it's incredibly satisfying, the crafting system is also preety good even though it's simple on the surface, the amount of options you have is incredibly big, now talking about the combat itself, it's based on the older fallout games, but so much better, your agility stat increases movement points and all characters have a fixated amount of ap unless they use drugs like adrenaline wich has it's downsides, so not all characters need high agility to actualy work, you also have a extremely big amount of options for weapons, and they are all good and distinct, so long as you build your character right wich unfortunaly isn't easy to do as a begginer so you wanna get a build from the forums of the wiki. btw, i forgot to mention: AoW planetfall is a 4x strategy game and underrail is a crpg, search those up on youtube and welcome to 2 beautiful worlds not many people know about. they also have great music, specialy underrail, you'd be doing yourself a diservice to not listen at least to these 4: grey army, arena, savages theme and tchort theme. 21:57 atmosphere? yep, you'll definetly love the underrail soundtrack... *faceless theme*

[@noahyoung6524]

What does crpg mean?

[@leninthebeaniesouhacker.2459]

@@noahyoung6524 it's a term used for isometric rpgs with complex skill systems and a lot of choice when it comes to dialogue, they are either turn based, real time with pause, or have no combat at all if we're talking about disco elysium, they are amazing and i love them.

[@awalludinsyam1500]

now lets wait for another something 10 years for SMT 5. dope presentation as always.

[@GonxalusAika]

It was teased when Switch was released so the wait might be shorter... 5 years maybe... 6 with english localization

[@ericiidx]

What is life, if not deciding upon an action, engaging it, and then choosing an action to follow? Life is just a big RPG, Ichiban.

[@Switchell2]

I'm only halfway through this video and I'm stopping watching it because you've already convinced me to get this game, and I don't want anything else spoiled.

[@skyeguy7914]

You know what. Watching a his has made me want to play this game again. This game is an Odyssey in the purest, most genuine sense of the word. A spiritual journey not just for Flynn, but for the player. That genuinely asks you the question, “what is truly right?” My other friends who are fans of this series complain about this game a lot, but yet without I wouldn’t be able to say I was a fan of this series to begin with. I’d probably just be another persona fanboy, and that would’ve been a damn shame by the opinion of this version of me.

[@evanmacaroni14]

Ive watched this 23 times now

[@Essometer]

Battle B2 is the best fucking battle theme ever made

[@manunova5929]

I don't want to get into any fights here, but I think you're wrong in a certain aspect: The worlds The White show are not the future worlds depending on your choice between Law and Chaos, but rather what sort of state one single Tokyo ended up with by making alignment decisions outside of the player's reach. It's been a bunch of years since I played, and I really appreciate your video because you brought back these memories, but I do remember my main points to defend. These being: while the Chaos world could be a perfect depiction of a future led by the alignment, we have Akira , just as in the Law world-in the game's main world, we hear of a late king with a similar name. We have three Akiras, and each is in a sort of leading position, or is about to. Now, the most decisive flaw in the claim that the other worlds are depictions of possible futures is that in the Law world, Tokyo still exists. In the Law ending, Flynn and Merkabah use the reactor to execute Great Abaddon, the same black hole as in The White ending, except it doesn't affect Mikado. Knowing that in Blasted Tokyo we have visible signs of ICBM bombings (as the Masakado DLC shows, also reminds me of SMT I, heh), this clearly is a sign that it is rather an alternative past where Masakado for some reason did not protect Tokyo. In retrospective, it reminds me of SMT I, because the ICBM is handled in different ways, I imagine it's sort of a callback of the alignments' choices (Thorman/Law would be to simply take the nuke, as seen in Blasted Tokyo, or Gotou using demons to somehow protect Tokyo, though neither this nor the game seems to explain Infernal Tokyo's state...) Hey, I know I'm a month late, but thank you for reading.

[@nicholasantonio2350]

I remember how on my first try at the Minotaur fight I was able to get into his last ''phase'' and then Walter used Agi two times in a row and Minotaur 1-Shoted everyone. So yeah, let's just say Jesus is my friend now.

[@Stinkious]

Awesome video i’ve watched this at least like 70 times now i come back every time things get hard and I feel down hearing you talk about my fav game (thanks to this video telling me about it) always makes me smile :)

[@GanonAutumn777]

Huuuuuge round of applause for this video Initially i had the assumption it would be a meme video but thats on me being dumb This is probably the best video on smt 4 on youtube.You summed up point by point why i love this game so much and the impact left on me was something i could never forget ever since my first playthrough in 2013 Your video now made me want to replay smt 4 again and its been long overdue Ive done 10 playthroughs before but its time to make this the eleventh Thank u for reminding me why this was and still my favorite game of all time

[@Grindfrank]

One of the best game the 3DS has to offer. One of the best JRPGG ever. Seriously, if this is your type of game, you've got try it.

[@ThunderTurtle7]

What about the Neutral ending? The White never send you to that world, and that's because it contradicts their nihilistic outlook. You can actually save the world. That's the true good ending, and it's the one I actually got just by chance on the first try.

[@comiccams3044]

Honestly, when Isabeau said that thing about staying by your side, I thought that was about being fellow Samurai, about being friends I didn't even consider that to be her confessing her feelings briefly to you.

[@doughnut5945]

SMT IV was pretty easy after the minotaur

[@karlosb3724]

Yeah, but after you finish the game, expert mode is unlocked

[@Nightxx9199]

@@LZ51190 I know I got screwed over by a few random encounters landing Mudo/Hama skills lol

[@legionofAlexander]

SMT ruined normal turn based RPGS for me. Because I firmly believe the press turn system is the best version of turn based combat

[@aquano1972]

For real, it’s very hard of a rpg to be fun to me now lol, SMT already peaks the genre

[@cidredwood6170]

I honestly feel really bad for Burroughs in the white ending, since not only is she strapped to the arm of the person about to eradicate all of reality, but also she chose Flynn because she felt he could change the world.

[@harrison131]

She chooses Flynn because he’s the reincarnation of the person who created the dome as well as infernal/blasted Tokyo

[@robby6382]

The B2 boss music for the minotaur just fucking makes me so damn hype

[@ochocolas]

Great video, I fall in love with SMT with this entry exactly, I feel you hit every corner of this masterpiece

[@Viper-py4pg]

I first noticed it because it was _A 3DS game rated M and it’s $50?_ it went on sale for $25 on the 3DS store and I played my first SMT game ever. I hope this video gets way way more views because it’s definitely an easily missed gem. I didn’t expect to put in 100 hours but I had to do every last mission and battle possible. Even bought the DLC. The music is simply incredible and based on the SMTV reveal trailers tone today we’re in for another *masterpiece* 😭 Great video you told a wonderful story and gave anyone new a reason to check it out. I subscribed 🥰

[@nevy4256]

SMT 4 was my first MegaTen game. I didn't even enter from the ground floor with Persona, like others. I would definitely put 4 up as my true favorite SMT among the series as a whole, spin offs and mainlines included. I may like some others more, namely Strange Journey or Persona 2 Innocent Sin (Which I generally consider the best story and characters in Megaten, let alone Persona). You perfectly managed to describe my feelings for this game. Thank you.

[@stevenkimsey]

If only every review had this much thought and work put into it. Awesome job.

[@tonybloodcherry]

I believe that this game isn’t talked about enough, and especially here on KZbin. I’ve played this game more than once, and I’ve always been left wanting more, so I went many times on the internet trying to get more out of it, mainly by watching videos about it. But there are barely any. So to see this in-depth review of it that lasted almost an hour was amazing. It wasn’t perfect, as someone already mentioned in the comments, you didn’t really mention the neutral ending, but that is I think the only flaw your video has. Because aside from that, it truly captured why I love this game so much, and it managed to put into words something I never was able to explain myself, which is that unique feeling I have when I play Shin Megami Tensei IV; a feeling I never experienced playing any other game before nor since. So I want to say thank you for doing this game justice, and good job on the work you made to make this happen. I don’t know if this is the kind of videos you want to keep doing, because as I’m writing this, I’m noticing you barely have any videos out, but in hope that your future content will be on par with this, you’ve earned yourself a new subscriber. So good luck on your future projects, and have a wonderful day/night!

[@Cosmotaku7]

This video convinced me to buy the game (the only Megaten game I've played before is Persona 4 Golden) and gotta say SMT 4 is fucking awesome so far

[@kontchou5221]

...Yaso Magatsuhi!

[@k2a2l2]

havent played iv yet but it has one of the sickest soundtracks ive ever heard, just gets me hype af

[@junker154]

The music alone makes this game worth a purchase, absolutely stunning soundtrack!