Shinhan 2010 Winners League Kwanro vs Flash 2010-03-01 @ R

[@onarass6321]

That was a fucking war. Love games like that.

[@horange84]

I have to disagree with ur math. 1 zergling can survive a mine (if it was moving), and can take out 2-3 mines at a time. Running 1 zerglings at a time through mine fields (perhaps having overlords around to see 'em) can clear mine fields out rather easily.

[@Eudaimonia239]

@Apexplyr well the best argument to point how sc is balance is to show him the progress of the game this past 6 years, so that a player can realize how much the game has change. i love the era were protoss were pawning everyone and also the early age of sc where terrans were the best. nowadays is a battle to the top no matter the race, just the player the best example is what flash did in last OSL, he was like the only terran in RO8 and he won the damm thing

[@MrOovie]

@VinsonWood Hows ling / ultra is unorthodox? If you mean queens, they were there just to broodling tanks which is also normal, now if he went infested terrans and did some crazy drops with them it would be unorthodox :)

[@jinhk93]

2013... Still gives me goosebumps

[@KHHVKimchicel]

Hello

[@wasdwasdedsf]

where did you find its terran favoured

[@chrisbary]

i'm trying to find Flash's most recent game, was it another winners league from last weekend? this was two weekends ago

[@Andnie]

@aoahuj I think you are right. Kwanro lost way to many units because of mines. That beeing said Flash has soooo good mine-control.. He always seem to avoid friendly damage by mines.

[@ninjasks89]

yea, I don't think flash even BUILT a Science Facility. At the 30 minute mark, his tank upgrades were 0-0. I think Kwanro really didn't know how to respond to it. And he was beaten to confusion during midgame because he had no idea what to do. He probably wouldn't know what 2+2 is because he was so confused.

[@qswathyg285]

ㅋㅋㅋ내가 왠만하면 댓글 잘 안다는데.. ㅋㅋㅋ 이건 진짜 한상봉 졸라 답답허네... 이제동꺼 보다가 이거 보니까 답답해 죽겠어ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 저글링 디파일러좀 뽑아!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@조준형-l6s]

이거 한상봉이 솔직히 역전의 빌미를준거임 디파일러쓰고 마인은 저글링으로 제거해야함

[@sosososososo4148]

그냥 재정비할틈 안주면서 끊임없이 한곳에만 병력이 나뉠수 밖에 없는 본진이든 멀티든 계속 무한으로 울링물량으로 어택땅 쏟아부었으면 무조건 이겼음. 근데 갈팡질팡하다가 애매하게 이영호 상대로 병력 나눠서 어설픈 게릴라전하려다가 마인에 울트라 몇부대 조공하고 전투도 극암으로 못하고.... 한상봉은 그냥 초반 쇼부만 잘 막으면 중반이후 운영은 아마수준임

[@조준형-l6s]

@@sosososososo4148 정명훈도 이런상황이면 역전안당함 김택용도

[@조준형-l6s]

@@sosososososo4148 마인은 저글링으로 제거하고 이곳저곳 오버로드 럴커 한두기 떨구고 자원많으니 가디언 몇기로 멀티 이곳저곳 건드리고 그러면서 드론 다채우고 멀티마다 그담에 다밀면 끝났음 시간 너무줫음

[@금호고속의최종목적지]

솔까 가디언 가도 역전 안나옴 아니면 뮤탈 대부대 찍어서 어택만찍어라 그래도 낫겄다

[@horange84]

Incredible the way Flash laid down those mines.. 99% of other players wouldn't have the apm to do that. Wow, just incredible.

[@overtrist]

Big mistake not backing up those Ultras with defilers - and even bigger mistake not to let lings drag the mines to the tanks.

[@darthez]

i'm sorry, but what game is this?!

[@VinsonWood]

first off, when terran use mech, zerg usually go muta/hyralisk and brooling tanks isn't very standard play at all, i don't know what your on lol.

[@Gaspa79]

@LucLeFou SC is not completely balanced, races have slight advantages against each other (~5%), and if you followed the metagame in any way, you should've realised this a long time ago.

[@kyo8219c]

@Wintran dude the stat is 7 to 4 for terran in this map, it's pretty balanced.

[@Wintran]

Props to Flash for experimenting with an unconventional mech build on a heavily terran-favored map to give us a more entertaining game (almost losing the game in the process). Only thing I was missing from Flash's part was a valkyrie comeback to handle those queens.

[@hyhhy]

That was a lot of ultras and mines and tanks. I also loved the valkyrie opening, even though it failed hard. And Flash wins anyway, that's pretty insane...

[@LemonRush7777]

Noob question here - why didn't Kwanro make any guardians? Wouldn't they force Flash out of his minefield pocket defense earlier?

[@daaaaaaaaniel]

He just kept making Ultras just to get completely shit on by mines. I've never seen so many Ultras die in a single game. Truly tragic.

[@VinsonWood]

midgame on, there was no muta nor lurkers so why would he need sci vessels? both players played unorthodox, not surprising the tech wasn't the same as standard play.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

yes very normal. so when was the last time you saw that?

[@FLABREZU]

Unupgraded mutas aren't going to do much against whatever upgrades Flash had. Presumably 3 3, but there's something wrong with the video, and it says 0 0 for both players.

[@yoni199]

One of the best games I HAVE EVER SEEN FLASH IS THE ULTIMATE PLAYER

[@JoeyLu]

Epic. True epic.

[@Andnie]

@MrOovie Spawn spawn broodling on tanks is NOT "normal". It's not the first time... but it's definitetly not normal at all.

[@modenkid]

Spider mines are free. Make one vulture, 3 of them comes for one upgrade. You get a good unit to fight zerglings for 75 minerals, and 3 perfect counter to Dark Swarm + Ultra for free! What a deal.

[@iloveoov3333]

한상봉은 자다가 이 경기땜시 몇번깼을듯

[@levorgo]

It is just epic! Unbelivible game from flash!

[@horange84]

I hear ya. lol But im' sure Flash did have a science facility for mech upgrades.

[@archersbane]

im not saying flash used the mines effectively, im saying zerg has it harder to deal with than toss does. Invis detector+ storm + Goons (which they use against T) while zerg only have really hydras (which they rarely use against T) and ultras to deal with it, and their nuisance of a detector

[@OptimusNice]

@mfonti I think it would be kinda futile with 0 upgrades on those mutas, they would have to be fighting at least 2-1 gols.

[@minhchi1211]

You know what, FlaSh hardly disappoints me :-) Not because I'm too easy, it's because he's tooooo GOOD !

[@wasdwasdedsf]

what? thats exactly what you said with your previous comment. I copied it and used it in context with another unit

[@mfonti]

i'm wondering if a switch to mass muta around the time kwanro made the queens would have allowed him to kill enough tanks to tilt the game in his favor. probably not, but meh.

[@jurchenAZ]

REAL CLASSIC MATCH!

[@PHPH_SDK]

Oh, and props to MBCgame for using Dream Theater as one of their background songs. (:

[@SherpaLeader3]

sc1?

[@Wintran]

@kyo8219c Well, it's all relative, but I would call that heavily terran-favored compared to other maps. Regardless, it's obvious that Flash is purposely playing a very experimental and risky build order. I don't know his exact reason for this, if it's the map, his opponent or some other circumstance, but I like that he chose to experiment and entertain the viewers rather than going for his standard m&m builds which would likely have been a much easier win.

[@sunc4n]

this is why starcraft is the best rts game ever ! such an imbalance game.. cant belive it ! soooooooooooo amazing !! ! !

[@LucLeFou]

i think he meant as soon as flash did the switch....0-0

[@Krnballerzzz]

Kwanro should have switched over to the Flash build to fight against Flash's build. Fire fire with fire right? In seriousness, those mines were what won Flash the game.

[@llVIU]

@am0ni no, edward cullen looks like Flash

[@geoube]

the winner played really bad (by his standards) at the start (odd tech choices at times), but survived and just absolutely beautiful macro won it for him at the end! so dominant

[@Lancelt666]

This is painfull to watch. Making Ultras to counter mech is like making Carriers to counter mass Goliaths. Also bad sunken placement.

[@alexiverson28]

incredible comeback from flash..watching this game i sad 10 times in my mind it s gg for zerg but...

[@4167626628]

...why not just use darkswarm

[@Razbewy]

vulture is imba Flash is the GOD of starcraft. Most ridiculously game I've ever seen. EVER!

[@Tx66]

I really enjoyed Kwanro's ultra only drop style....:D

[@FelixSchwartz]

@BlackYoshi2 It's called scourge men

[@shairuno]

Flash is number one right now, no doubt about it.

[@MarshallCrumiller]

It's just superficially balanced, but not really. Yes, terran has a stronger army. But zerg can make its army faster, it's more mobile, its expansions are cheaper, and it it has spells. Plague and mutas were underused this game IMO, but both sides played incredibly.

[@GahloWake]

Except since Flash had the whole mech engine going he could have massed goliaths pretty quickly in response.

[@EnsignN7]

This whole game is just...bizarre.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

yes thats right, he did it because he thought he would not win as often.

[@liiiliill5966]

이경기에서 오버러드 드랍을 뭐 대충 10번했다 치면 디파일러 다크스웜이 5번? 아니 1/3 정도만 스웜이 펴졌으면 어뜨게 됐을지 모름.......그리고 그놈에 마인위로 계속 떨구고 비상식적인 전투손해를 덜입었으면..... 충분히 저그가 잡았다 한상봉이 못해서 진게 아니라고봄 다만 세심한 부분이 아쉬움.... 그리고 또 그런 메카닉 상대하는 테란 잘때려잡는 이제동보면 진짜 이제동은 이제동이다 다른 저그와는 진짜 클래스가 다르다는걸 느낌;;

[@인연발신종뿡빵바이러]

한상봉은 저때부터 맛탱이갔지 개인리그도 슬슬 내리막타기시작했고 저런상황인걸 티원은 제대로 파악못했는지 안그래도 저그막장팀인 티원와서 막장쐐기 딱찍고 평소에 자기밥이던 박상우한테 마지막으로 털리고 깔끔하게사라짐 ㅋㅋ

[@오재인-e3x]

디파일러 까맣게 잊었나? 울트라만 뽑고 눈이 썩겠다

[@hunterdth]

flash basically got really pissed that he got tech switched, said "fuck you kwanro" and rolled him with a late game tech switch and being the lesser human being, kwanro didnt switch to muta hydra early enough to win.

[@yumemirutenshi]

what was kwanro thinking ? he rammed all those mines with ultra's could've used lings instead

[@IIGrudge]

Kwanro needs to build some cheap lings to clear those mines. Not ram expensive ultras into them.

[@FLABREZU]

He tried to drag. The vultures and tanks kill the zerglings before the mines explode most of the time.

[@Gerbilkit]

37:19 Aaaah that's the stuff! The taste of victory lol

[@김가로이-u1s]

값비싼 울트라를 계속 마인에 박은게 패인이다...바꾸려면 저글링으로 들이 박았어야지 먼티방어는 아예 보기했네...

[@Neo21803]

At 37:20 how much does Flash look like Commodus from Gladiator when he's watching everyone get killed in the colosseum?

[@wasdwasdedsf]

vultures are free?

[@ferencpuskas1522]

이제동까지 안가고 A급 저그 아무나한테 저 유리한 상황 맡겨만 놨어도 이긴다. 진짜 드럽게 못하네.

[@유주나-i2c]

한상봉도 거의 a급 저그다 멍청아 ㅉㅉ

[@yoni199]

u can see at the 30 min mark flash is 0-0 at upg

[@chrisbary]

A few Z- lings could have cleared the path for tons of Ultras!

[@VinsonWood]

props to kwanro for trying to be fancy, but a simple batch of mutas wouldve done wonders mid game.

[@horange84]

Zergs have zerglings (cheap, no gas) to clear out the mines. If the z had excess apm, i'm sure he would've done that.

[@ninjasks89]

somebody get Flash a get well card. He's sick right now (courtesy of Kenny The Jet Smith)

[@dl2agon]

A quick muta tech switch could have done Kwanro a lot of GOOD...

[@djlink18]

Epic game...Btw most cost effective goliath ever on 30:13.. ^^ GG

[@XvBOOMvX]

he thought... if he made guardians, 1: he would have spent a lot of minerals 2: the goliaths can quickly take them out 3: he went for a ultra and queen build

[@standbackguy]

around 12-14 minutes in, there was a grace period for Kwanro. If he massed mutalisks and scourge, he could've had the game :(

[@Neo0mega]

Kwanro can mass muta SOOO much faster than Flash can mass Goliath. Not to mention that Goliath do half damage to muta and aren't effective at all in low numbers. This game illustrates why you CANNOT go Ultra/ling against mech. Mine tank is too cost efficient.

[@Jessergdl]

insane

[@smashthestateX]

80 plus commnets. but none commenting about the opening song! shadow gallery !

[@stevenape377]

Try to use spider mines the way flash did.

[@StyleKrong]

Flash played terran last I checked. And if you're reffering to jaedong he gets stomped by airforce ace players and stork bcuz of race imbalance.

[@leeoku]

i just noticed he had 0-0 upgrades

[@LemonRush7777]

@minerasasd Oh I see... A lot of depth in competitive SC play. Never really reached that level.

[@ColdFusion101]

Flash knew he was behind, so he did something crazy, nice work, lol

[@FliBerries]

Wow, double mindfucked. This game should be titled "how to lose slowly"

[@yoni199]

game is balanced. the skill differences between the players aint

[@b0b0dagreat]

jesus man how many ultras died to mines

[@kyo8219c]

@divick630 Flash: science Vessel is so yesterday.

[@jungpoom]

the best game ever

[@ClifftonBeach]

for singleplayer only. and it's not like graphics make the game

[@FLABREZU]

Flash is a GODDAMN BEAST.

[@withawonder]

the zerg lost because he let the spider mines blow up for aoe damage to multiple utralisks send in one ultra at a time to soak up many mines, or send a overlord + hydralisk to kill mines to save ultras and zerg would have won

[@Jbgmjbgm]

자! 스커지 오케이7👌

[@epixeltwin]

cheaper than a freakin zealot and no gas.... for speed + range + mines and both good early + late-game. VUlture = win

[@Saritenite]

7 people said no to stim

[@wasdwasdedsf]

yep, you buy a vulture. so whos saying, no, youre not buying the mines, im giving them to you?

[@GinToYura]

no blackout to save kwanro :(

[@eakzor]

now that wouldn't be fair to flash, ill just send 'em ultralisk instead

[@ZetPro]

the number of ultras seen in this game was OVER 9000!!

[@lordjimbo2]

I can't believe how much time Kwanro took to mass queens without trying guardians.