Ship Chat: Constellation Class

[@frosch90453]

The constellation is hands down my favourite design in Star Trek 😍

[@jeffhallam2004]

Wow really?? Not the Nebula or Reliant?

[@sphelps31]

I'll always love the Constitution Refit the most but this is my second favorite. It looks like such a tough little ship that's made for Deep Space exploration. I always loved all the bays.

[@LostInTheFarmersMarket]

I am surprised no one in starfleet thought of refitting these into medical ships or as carriers. I mean this ship would have been tougher than most medical ships in general, and with all those bays this thing could conceivably be a fighter/attack shuttle hauler of significant usefulness.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah and its certainly a more sound design than the Curry class as a carrier. though it probably wasn't up to the right speed. i think starfleet decided that modernizing what was a pretty niche design was largely pointless when they could just make something better. and with that engine i think it became more trouble than it was worth to run.

[@victorroche5044]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Or revamping the same concept with the newer TNG kit parts. I'm thinking a Cheyenne class with added saucer thickness to turn it into a through deck carrier. Although the 4 nacelles probably come close to doubling the engine costs and would be the biggest impediment against.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

true but wouldn't look nearly as sleek.

[@victorroche5044]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 If only sleekness was a true requirement in the vacuum of space (or even subspace)

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@victorroche5044 true but you do need a larger warp field (but yeah its mostly Aesthetic)

[@NoBudjetFilms]

I had a Constellation toy as a kid, and so for me I will always love the ship design. And I love that thicc saucer ;)

[@robertwlester]

Warp theory as far as how ships can move at warp is kind of nutty. You'd think field manipulation would be everything, so four necelles would be perfect, more the better, but the in-show logic isn't so clean. I do love this class though. Very cool look. I wish we saw one of these in support of the defiant at some point in the DS9 dominion war battle scenes. If only. :( But yes, cool ship.

[@larqven0192]

I always imagined that some of the older ships had staying power for their utility. Mirandas were surprisingly alterable mission platforms, and with two shuttle bays made for a 'light pickup' for Star Fleet. Constellations were heavy and bulky, but fast and well armed. And those seven shuttle bays made it the 'Heavy Pickup' for Star Fleet. Transporters are all well and good, but 'IN SHOW' canon doesn't actually suggest that transporting many tons of cargo by transporters is standard procedure. Having shuttle utility is a plus for standard supply missions to colonies, especially on the frontier.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah personally i feel they didn't use shuttles for reasons of budget or to help the writers. which is a shame i think the shuttles can look good in their own respect and it helps to make good use of space on what are very large ships. really im suprised larger classes like ambassador or galaxy only had 2 or 3 just look at how many auxiliary vehicles are carried by modern destroyers.

[@larqven0192]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 The Miranda and Constellation classes were also fairly heavily armed in their day. That day might have passed them both by, but their utility kept them in operation as Star Fleet could point out their peaceful utility to the pacifists on the Federation Council; while still being able to count them as credible gunboats for decades into the 24th Century. This kind of thinking might have been negative in the end. Further, new classes of ships were around, but didn't seem to be focused nearly so much for war. 'Office Buildings in Space' or 'Showboats' that were good at science, exploration and hauling cargo efficiently, but not very offensive. The only offensive ship to come out before the Borg and other baddies was the New Orleans class, which, of course, while clearly offensive appearing with its three torpedo launcher pods, is a small class of ship suited more for patrols. Probably a result of the Cardassian Wars. Likewise, I've read somewhere that the Akira Class was a design that existed before the coming of the Borg, as an outgrowth of the Cardassian Wars, but only existed as a prototype, the Federation Council not wanting any of the newer ships of 'heavy cruiser' scale to be 'warships'. The lightweight New Orleans Class being the most offensive that they would go for. Indeed, the weapons pods might well have been an add-on for the class rather than part of the original design? Pacifists might have insisted on mission specific add on pods so as ships need not be classified warships in their essential, internal designs? Without its weapons pods, the New Orleans is pretty, but clearly a glass lightweight. 'Old Starfleet' ships remaining invaluable to 'old school' admirals and hawks hoping to maintain as much military capability as possible. The Miranda, Constellation, and perhaps to some extent the Excelsior, classes might have been obsolete by the mid 24th Century, but older admirals kept them around as a result of difficulties in getting new ships approved, and new designs being 'Office Buildings in Space'. They were old gunboats, but still stacked up reasonably to the newer, more efficient, but not much more deadly weapon systems of the 'new Star Fleet'. The 'New Star Fleet' might have been big, window encrusted, 'Office Buildings in Space', but at least the technology existed (and was being suppressed) to make far more deadly ships. This is how Star Fleet was able to start cranking out far more deadly designs so quickly upon encountering the Borg, and then, the Dominion.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

interesting you mention the additional pods less so on this but more so on the Miranda they do help to increase the lifespan and utility of a ship and we'll see the Miranda become more scientific and cargo focused in the 24th century. but if the need arises they can easily revert to their more tactical configuration. and that can be seen in the nebula class arguably starfleet was hedging its bets. Alas since it lacked that modularity and was so clearly a warship and a fuel guzzler at that it was much harder to justify its continued service. especially when the Cheyenne was a considerable improvement in performance.

[@larqven0192]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 That's likely true for the Constellation Class. Albeit, clearly, it was in operation a rather long time; The Stargazer being Picard's ship for most of his career. LaForge serving on the Victory, and a Constellation ship being part of Picard's border blockade fleet during the Klingon Civil War, (the Victory?). I don't recall seeing Constellations in action after that, so they might have finally been phased out with new ships getting cranked out by the shipyards. The remaining Miranda ships lasting a bit longer for their modules but also for there being just so many of them still in operation. Possibly, looking at Star Fleet objectively, I'd expect that a Miranda class would be the first ship that might appear in someone's mind as representative of Star Fleet for quite some years. If nothing else, they might be old, but they were still common enough to keep getting shown again and again. And in multiples in big fleets as well. The modular pods clearly helped with that. Being a literal platform to put technology modules on made them for an epic design for utility and long term use. The Constellation is a larger, more specialized design. It probably couldn't have been nearly so common. But, again, they were around for a long time, not ending service until well into the TNG series at least. Their combo of speed, shuttles, sensors, cargo and guns must of made them effective multipurpose platforms for them to have been kept around, and presumably to have had a long construction run? Some, like the Hathaway were in 'bone-yards', too obsolete to bother refitting. Others, like the Stargazer had a very long career. And the Victory having been in operation into the TNG period. I'd have to think that they were an overall successful design. I would agree that 'new Starfleet' efficiencies, particularly represented by the Cheyenne, probably spelled the end for them; but their shuttles and cargo capacity (and remaining use as interdiction vessels) probably kept them in the game for some extra years. However one wants to look at it, Star Fleet clearly kept some older ship designs in operation a long time.

[@jakehanifee8856]

Love all the artwork of this fine old workhorse you put up, and honestly “chat” videos aren’t my favorite, yet, once again, you managed to make it interesting. Well done all round!

[@poseidon5003]

Starfleet command :" We need a ship that can keep up with an Excelsior class for high warp fleet deployments. The Miranda's are too slow and the Connies are too old. Slap it together as fast as you can, build it cheap, and we don't care if it's pretty. Just get it done!" Starfleets secondary engineering corps : "Say no more!" Slap two Miranda's together And Boom.....The Constellation class was born.

[@Scioneer]

To me she looks like a tough old ship that could still put up a fight better than most designs from her era.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and way shape and form possibly provided on this starship indeed, And I myself own various different models of the Constellation class a resin kit and the Eaglemoss model and I still have a couple of the old micro machines of it, I have always loved the design of this ship indeed👌.

[@adamlytle2615]

Just wanna say this video has the best thumbnail of all time.

[@jeremycaufield8605]

Personally, I really like this design.

[@GarlicGuard]

That ship saucer design reminded me of a Chicago deep dish pizza.

[@jeffhallam2004]

Excellent video and I really appreciate your affection for a very poor designed ship. It’s like the red headed step child...lol Not for nothing but I like redheads lol

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

it really is a bit of a runt. the Connie and excelsior are both loved for looking fast and sleek. while the Miranda before DS9 was regarded as a tough rugged and almost menacing design. and then there's the constellation.

[@tmikesecrist3]

one thing, I would like to point out that thick Primary hull is that it would offer a Big increase in internal volume without a big increase in the external hull area. That would let you use the same shield generators. You could have used the same shield generators form the Connie or the Execleser. and get a Stronger shield for the same number of generators. or half as many to get one as strong as the other the ships. In some sources, I have seen (admittedly not cannon) but economizing shield power and getting a stronger shield was a design consideration. If the ship Uses armor it also lets you make that thicker in places or all over for the same or less weight of armor. Remember the Miranda also used a thicker primary hall giving her more internal volume than a Connie which is why she should probably be classified as a heavy cruiser as well, Well maybe by the 24th century a light Cruiser.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

in their day the Connie was a heavy cruiser making the Miranda a light cruiser or Battlecruiser. that would make the constellation a medium- heavy cruiser. later on i would class it as a frigate.

[@Coridimus]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 further examples of why that classification system doesnt translate well to Starfleet. So much that I see no point in even using it.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@Coridimus I think for designating role it works. Size is a bit more flexible.

[@Coridimus]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 fair enough. I understand why writers don't do this, but I kinda wish we had a cannon system for describing ship-roles that is built to be unique to Starfleet and not overly reliant on modern or past navies. The technical manuals and similar errata refer to the Galaxy-class and similar large vessels as "Explorers". Alas, that is all I'm aware of regarding such an in-universe role descriptor.

[@TheRezro]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Conie was Heavy Cruiser, by Klingons considered as Battlecruiser. Miranda was considered as Medium Cruiser, with something like Apollo most likely fitting role of Light Cruiser. Constellation most likely fit role of Medium Cruiser, due to lack of Deflector (what impact strength of the shields). Despite being technically larger and heavier armed then Constitution (it could be also considered as Carrer). Also Federation did use four nacelles priori to that, at least in Beta. First known ship like that was Imperator class of Terran Empire (mentioned in canon by name), what basically was beefed Yorktown. Later during post-Kelvin Era we have Nelsn type ship (probably Light Cruiser). And Gemini class Advanced Cruiser, what later serve as inspiration for Cardenas from Discovery. But yes, in TMP Era, there were no major four Nacelle design until Constellation.

[@gottfriedwegemuller3223]

You are now my Favorit Star trek channel

[@02ujtb00626]

Interesting fact about that episode, because they had already filmed before switching yo a constellation class, Geordie(or whoever it was lol) can be seen mouthing Constitution class, but Constellation class was dubbed over it.

[@apotheases]

Starfleet likes their saucers thicc!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

starfleet probably judges designs by a 'ThiCcness scale' i mean look at the ambassador and galaxy classes, they be Thic Bois. its only with the sovereign starfleet gets on a steamed chicken diet.

[@sagesheahan6732]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Lol. The Odyssey and its double necks. Just lol.

[@geraldford6409]

Thicc as a Bricc She’s a Bah-ricc houzz

[@geraldford6409]

Four impulse engines on the floor. Zero to .99c in 60 sec, no warp needdd

[@Ithinkiwill66]

I just love Picard making faces...and demonstrating what the topic is talking about! Lol

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

especially out of context

[@Ithinkiwill66]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 very true!! One of the most humorous captains!!

[@krim7]

I love the thick saucer. I think the Connie would looks good with a thick saucer as well.

[@nealsterling8151]

That thumbnail cracks me up every time, lol. 😁

[@Jagent]

I love how so many images fail to take into account the ventral turret balls.

[@Dominic-mm6yf]

Quite a clever design,a deep space exploration cruiser that can fly long distances using all 4 nacelles at medium warp and preventing nacelle burnout.

[@victorroche5044]

Good content & conversation starter, definitely should keep them coming. People keep trying to kill the carrier but their versatility always wins out.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

its funny we see so many shuttlebays on the model but it never gets mentioned. i presume the designers simply put them on to give the midsection some texture and detail.

[@darrelgibbs4898]

I love All of the star trek ships there fire great shots

[@JimmyBlether]

Whether or not you'll actually see this I have no idea but I think I should address some points. 1. Warp turning. Assuming it works like tank steering, really if all four nacelles were engaged then the constellation should be pretty good at turning, if not excellent. Unlike a twin nacelled ship, logically it should have true four axis control, and would have decent leverage with all of them hanging behind the thick saucer. 2. The impulse engines are placed fine. While yeah, when thrust vectoring they'd probably have their exhaust impinge on the nacelles if deflected too far, but they're notably in line with the centre of mass unlike countless other ships in trek and as such it would be able to fly straight as opposed to frontflip or backflip constantly. With the mass of the saucer aswell they'd have good leverage compared to a constitution which has them very close to the centre of mass, therefore degrading the amount of control it would get from thrust vectoring assuming the actual torque it would induce on the ship when firing is just, ignored. The fact the centre of mass is pretty far forwards too also means the RCS on the nacelles would have pretty great leverage, so really the constellation would be a pretty fast turner. 3. About that warp core. While I can see them putting it in the middle of the saucer like that (and notably that's very compact compared to a Constitution II warp core let alone the excelsior's), and we see a vertical core in TNG, but I don't perceive it to be specifically the reason for thicc saucer. Reason for this is because I don't see warp cores needing to be vertical. Yeah there was the switch from archer style to the vertical core in TMP and it stuck onwards, but if anything that's more likely due to space constraints and later ejection practicality. Perhaps due to the other systems inside of the secondary hull like the expanded shuttle facilities on the Constitution II a vertical core was more practical and that was carried onto the Excelsior because of how tall the ship was. Because the core doesn't at all depend on the artificial gravity of the ship, it could theoretically be orientated horizontally depending on the design, and the constellation would benefit from a horizontal one a bunch. The length of the dorsal and ventral pylons would also allow for the plasma conduits to still easily exit the reaction chamber despite it being pretty far forwards afterall. In an emergency the core can be dumped out of the back aswell, and I have to bring up the Miranda. That thing must have a horizontal core, how else could it fit? Yeah it might be long, but still. Basically, I think thicc saucer was mostly for facilities, not for the powerplant.

[@victorroche5044]

Plasmas consist of charged particles-positive nuclei and negative electrons-that can be shaped and confined by magnetic forces.

[@sagesheahan6732]

I love how people always think engines when this little scientific axiom is dropped. Is also the basis for how the blade of a lightsaber works. 😉

[@franksmedley8619]

Although you describe the Constellation as 'ugly', I see it as a 'work horse' design. Seven shuttle bays is a unique feature of the Class. This single ship can go to a new star system and drop off over a dozen shuttle craft, that can map in fair detail, an entire solar system in a relatively short period of time. Also, when NOT carrying a full compliment of shuttles, the shuttle bays themselves can become fairly large cargo bays. Allowing the ship to carry a quite substantial amount of cargo to resupply bases and outposts. In combat, this Class can carry enough combat shuttles to give most foes pause, as well as enlarge it's interdiction envelope and sensor reach. Also, by carrying so many 'fighters' it become a mini Carrier that can still engage foes by itself, or in conjunction with it's compliment of armed shuttles. So, you may decry it's 'ugly' shape. But I see a ship that has multiple roles and abilities that out performs ships of similar size. The quad nacelle design does allow for faster 'ramping up' to maximum designed warp speeds. This alone makes the Class a 'first responder' to incursions along the Federation's borders. And it's compliment of shuttles makes sure that the ship can stay back far enough to receive sensor data from it's deployed shuttles and survive long enough to break off and flee to warn Star Fleet, should that become necessary. just my thoughts, speaking, Frank-ly

[@ussvoyager8650]

I really like the Constellation class Starship it's quite a unique design

[@z3r0_35]

Really I see this thing's primarily utility, in a military context, as a carrier, although perhaps that isn't as viable in the 23rd Century as it would be in the 24th. This isn't a ship you send out alone, you send it with a squadron Mirandas for escort, a Constitution or Excelsior for heavy firepower, a tanker to refuel it as needed, and a repair ship with industrial fabricators to form a small task force.

[@DarinRWagner]

The saucer thickness is one if its biggest charms, Venom.

[@tilasole3252]

That thumbnail with Picard is hilarious.

[@BaronFeydRautha]

Remember when treckyards did vids like this before shilling nutrek? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[@youtubehandlescostmemyusername]

Extra nacelles don't make a ship go faster. If anything they slow it down with the extra mass and sharing the energy. 1) The extra nacelles are primarily a safety measure. This ship can afford to lose two nacelles and still escape a disaster or a fight. 2) Pairs of engines can be alternated to reduce the strain and overall wear and tear, increasing the ship's range drastically. 3) The ship can stay at warp indefinitely and repairs can be carried out on the offline nacelles, so in a sense, they're faster.

[@darthmart6834]

I really am glad I found your channel you do a great job thank you for informing us with all the information we really appreciate it keep up the good work and have a Merry Christmas

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

merry Christmas to you too :)

[@poseidon5003]

This is one of my favorites.

[@Jay-ln1co]

I'm reminded of the Soviet Mig-25 fighter. It was a hastily produced counter to US design for a super-sonic high-altitude bomber. Idea being that everything the fighter does was to go fast and go high to shoot down such bombers. End result was a fast fighter with limited maneuverability and all its systems, like the radar, was aimed forwards at a limited angle. When the bomber plans fell through, Soviets ended up dumping the fighters on their allies.

[@red.5475]

One of my absolute favorites.

[@darthrex354]

So what is the ST equivalent of the Kamchatka? The Oberth?

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

The Kamchatka makes the Oberth look like a Prometheus class or Borg cube in comparison. Still one must be cautions of phantom Breen torpedo boats and angry binocular throwing Klingon admirals.

[@BradPittler]

A Drach reference... I feel warm and fuzzy!

[@nathanielmeade5731]

Do you see Torpedo Boats?

[@johnbockelie3899]

The engine pylons are necks from constitution class ships.

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@occultatumquaestio5226 lmfao!

[@ilpoomatili9549]

I want to try doing this in space engineers, the shutle bays give a lot of empty space (good for exeleration) and that bulcky back section gives a lot of room for trhusters. (good challenge to try to make it as fast as possible)

[@franksmedley7372]

Hello VG. Although you state that there are 7 bays, there are actually only 5. The two on each side are double doors to a single large bay on each side. And, from what little blueprints I've seen (mostly fan canon), the bays all link up in the center, where this is a primary servicing bay, with storage areas. This is why the ship's compliment is relatively small in comparison with other ships of the same size. Around 30% of the ship is cargo bays, shuttle bays, and relevant servicing areas and stowage. This class of ship is NOT designed to be a science ship... Instead, it is designed to be a 'first in scout' for new solar systems, or in a pinch, it is outfitting with a couple of dozen fighter craft to act as a 'mini-carrier' for system defense, in support of other small ship classes. Those lovely, thinly armored destroyers you want to 'kill'? Good luck getting to them to do the deed, when a couple of dozen high impulse speed fighters are dumping torpedoes on you! As for the quad nacelle design? Yes, it is a bit more intense on maintenance, but the ship can suffer two nacelles, any two, damaged or destroyed and still maneuver and reach maximum warp speed. Although most think this class is slow and not really maneuverable, I disagree. Having both upper and lower nacelles is a tactical advantage. Upper mounted nacelles give better warp speeds, and faster acceleration up to warp. Lower nacelles give the ship maneuverability (just look at Klingon designs!). So, this ship has both, and can transfer power from upper to lower as needed and vice versa. Add in a healthy number of Phasers and torpedoes, and you have a ship that can sustain itself against most attackers. The only real needs of the Class are an upgraded Warp Core and heavier shields. Better armoring would not go amiss either. As said, this ship was designed to be a 'first in scout' for new systems, and a 'second line' supportive combat platform for system defense. It also, if all but the aft shuttle bays are sealed off, makes an excellent 'Logistics Ship', in that it already has a good-sized cargo areas, and the three bays (front, starboard, and port) would add significantly to that already existing capacity. So, what's so wrong about the Constellation Class? It is a flexible design, with many options, and possible upgrades. It is really no wonder why the class survived so long in the Fleet lists. Just my thoughts. Agree, or not, your choice.

[@Coridimus]

You dare besmirch the dignity and honor of my ruggedly beautiful Constellation!?

[@brownsupahero]

4-nacelle ships existed previous to the Constellation. This ship was the first Yoyodyne propulsion systems drive first contract with the fleet. It is actually smaller than a M/ARA drive. The bigger hull is because they incorporated shuttle bays around the diameter of the saucer and needed more volume for deep space 5-year missions.

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

My headcanon on the Constellation was that it was a product of the development troubles of the Excelsior. While the research boffins were trying to get the transwarp drive to work Star Fleet had an immediate need for a Heavy Cruiser to succeed the dated Constitution class. This lead design engineers who weren't on the Excelsior project to begin looking at reconfigurations of existing components. The resulting Constellation class was larger, faster, more heavily armed, and more versatile than the Constitution. It was more expensive to build, operate, and maintain (as well as less maneuverable), but those were seen as acceptable trade-offs. Ironically the success of the design further delayed the introduction of the Excelsior because it bought time for the boffins to keep tinkering with the transwarp drive.

[@jamescooper7878]

i have always believe that the installed an oversized vertical core that went the entire height of the pylons, like the constitution had from the saucer to the bottom of the engineering section via the neck.. and that is one of the reasons why the constellation class was fuel guzzlers

[@jinsetayinsei4146]

I always thought this ship endured for its logistical value. Without needing much refit (except for improving the engine), this ship could manage long range away missions like no other of its size. Give this ship a few (up to 7?) Runabouts and you could probably get away with what counted for competent patrolling of Maquis areas. In less volatile areas you could assign this ship to a sector and simultaneously service several star systems with highly unenviable 6-9 type shuttles that did warp 2 for around 36 hours. If the Constellation carried a payload that made a Galaxy sweat a little, I wouldn't have been so quick to write this ship off either. I wouldn't commission any more to be sure, but as a Starfleet commander, I figure it'd be a great ship to assign any academy graduates whose last name was Pyle :p

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Lieutenant Pyle! Your so fat You Make the Constellation look Thin! Hell you two are made for each other!

[@jinsetayinsei4146]

lol nice

[@malachicasey4534]

I must compliment you on the arrow colors you got port and starboard correct.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Glad you noticed.

[@patrickradcliffe3837]

Not sure where you got you info from. From what I gleaned several years ago was that the Constellation class was a long range explorer. The four naccelle and twin impulse design was redundancy in case of failure that it could still return back to federation territory with just two naccelles and a lower speed and that the two impulse drives gave superior manuverability. I don't know where get this about plasma impinging on the naccelles it would be the same for any other ship that has impulse drive in front of and between the naccelles. The drawback of the Constellation was it's engine, Picard even mentions it that was always on the verge of blowing up. That to me sounds like a over taxed enterprise refit warp core not some new design.

[@TimothyChapman]

Can't help but notice that there's very little line of sight between the nacelles horizontally.

[@victorroche5044]

Think vertically

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

the pylons only really obscure 1/3rd of the nacelles so i think its enough and you don't really want the nacelles too much longer.

[@Ham68229]

Your comment about the engine nacelles being in the way, if you think about it and take a very close look at the Federation, Klingon and even the Romulan ships, they're all in the way. That is IF you properly armed them. A true vessel has a 360 range encircling or rather, encasing the ship. Smartest build would have been, placing the engines within the saucer. I've never been a fan of the Federation ship designs. Klingon and Romulan ship design are "OK" but, look at the Ferengi design, the engines are in the rear within the ship's hull. Now, the Ferengi and Cardassian ships are just plain ugly but, look at where the engines are located. Out of the way, protected somewhat and they have a full arc on firing range(s). Federation's biggest flaw, they're "diplomats" first and foremost. They never thought about any military conflict. Oh yes, a few weapons here and there but, in a true engagement, they'd lose every time. Cheers :)

[@KatrinaLeFaye]

In Star Trek no one turns in warp. "Faster than light, no left or right." Warp is a straight line, the reason for the pilot is to plot the drops out and adjustments in minimum amount of time out of warp then back in warp.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

it seems to be an inconsistency. but i've ready in the USS enterprise Haines manual that the reason you have two nacelles is partly for steering. and there is far more onscreen evidence to support this.

[@KatrinaLeFaye]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Voyager firmly establishes the no left or right with Fleet ships, as well as aliens stating the same. Can look up episodes if you like. I realize they do it, lousy writing, but it is one of the laws of physics in their universe.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

true but it is visually contradicted by every other series. and doesn't make practical sense, throughout tng they change course at warp to intercept other ships. it would also mean you would have to come out of warp just to avoid large stellar objects like a planet or moon.

[@starsiegeplayer]

The straight line thing was a Voyager thing that contradicted all the other series. Made no sense.

[@Hazmatt4700]

I enjoy your videos for the same reason I enjoy Drachinifel's videos.

[@PhilDrury]

She's beautiful though. Like the relief model of the Enterprise C (that never was ultimately) she stood out to me.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah i like the cannon ambassador but that Prototype looks amazing.

[@timesthree5757]

The ship looks like the duece-n-half of Star fleet.

[@Palmerrip]

I thought there was one shuttle bay and 6 cargo bays. It would make sense to have exterior doors to deliver cargo especially volatile substances that can't be transported.

[@nathanielhinz4946]

I've heard of A flying saucer but this looks more like A flying Pie pan. The deep dish of doom. If you will.

[@dreadedpixel9022]

The Constellation, a underpowered and overworked support cruiser with some teeth on her, long teeth but teeth none the less

[@leftwardglobe1643]

Four nacelles should make it more maneuverable, not less. The more angles from which you can manipulate a ship, the better. It shouldn't have to bank, it can turn on a dime in any one of eight directions by engaging more than one engine or pair of engines at a time in opposite directions. Same principle as a star fury and its x pattern with its thrusters. Four engines in an x or + pattern is simply the most efficient mounting for maneuverability in space. Without exception. Though I will note that using the warp engines to turn at all with how powerful they are would probably result in such a violent spin that the entire crew would turn to goo, and the ship would shake itself apart. So either don't turn at warp speeds, or use thrusters or impulse engines to do so very gently. This does not apply to the impulse engines however. They are all on the rear of the craft, and as a result, can't engage in reverse. Meaning the craft can't turn at all at sublight speeds, nor can it go backwards. Forward, up, down, side to side, and spinning, yes, but not backwards, and no turning. That is without the assistance of maneuvering thrusters. There should also be four in front, or some way for them to engage in reverse without blasting the craft. If it's a danger to angle them towards the engines, then reversing them and having them blast through the crew decks is also a bad idea. This is further compounded by the fact that the impulse engines are so close to the center of mass. If they were further towards the edges of the craft or on nacelles like the warp engines, they would have more leverage, and thus be able to turn the craft more quickly and with less fuel. Small tangent, this is why the X-wing from Star Wars is dumb and its guns and engines should swap places. So close, yet so far.

[@captnrobvious47]

It's so ugly... I LOVE IT! 😍😍😍

[@RGMerkel]

Love this ship. Just a get the job done sort of ship. Not fancy, not pretty, just do what needs to be done

[@michaellahr]

Colonial support ship

[@misterlau5246]

Which torque? What's the other force apart of the nacelle? That works in atmospheric flight, cause the surfaces like the wings, flaps, etc against the AIR, does the torque trick. In space, you need side thrusters for things like turning

[@JeanLucCaptain]

I just had an idea for another discussion video: the two big Human Empires of SciFi: Galactic Empire and Imperium. not a vs so much but more like what do they have in common, were do they defer, resources territory, leadership, industrial capacity, how do thier ships (roughly) compare? I mean the Jem'Hadar have far more in common with the Imperial Guard then the any other alien faction I can think off. Both are used like ammunition and considered far more expendable then thier equipment.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

I would say the Terran Empire and Terran Dominion are both just as famous if not more so than the Imperium.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@occultatumquaestio5226 EXACTLY! yes add to this discussion.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@occultatumquaestio5226 tell that to THE IMPERIAL INQUISITION 😎

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

@@JeanLucCaptain ; I take your Imperial Inquisition and give you a Reconquista.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@occultatumquaestio5226 I don't speak Space Latin 😎

[@jonathannz10]

So I started watching this video and almost immediately KZbin made me watch a two and a half minute trailer for the new Ghost busters movie. Gave up and typed this comment and left. KZbin ads policies are broken.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Sorry to hear that. I'll give it a look. KZbin sometimes doesn't understand the 'mid' in mid-roll ad

[@firebirdone03]

I thought the Buran outdated this design. I mean Cardenas class.

[@kevinmencer3782]

RCS thrusters probably make up for most of the maneuverability of a starship, not engines.

[@douglaseid9021]

They use the maneuvering thrusters. Also, don't forget the Cardenas class.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

true although i don't know how much use thrusters are given how large the ships are. when it comes to the Cardenas... its a whole kettle of fish regarding discovery and whether its prime or an alternate universe.

[@firet101]

Overall great review however there is one mistake Starfleet vessels can't turn at Warp they must drop to impulse to make course Corrections

[@angellight495]

I read that the reason they didn't use the Constitution was some "brilliant" studio head said kids would get confused seeing 2 Enterprises on screen together.

[@richjordan6461]

Why is that one Constellation model so yellow? The Constellation micro machine toy was also yellow...

[@richjordan6461]

@SonofEyeaboveall Effoff it all finally makes sense haha after 25 years

[@madrabbit9007]

I may be wrong but I think that DIscovery had a few quad design ships.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

they did but i believe that its now all been ret-conned into a separate timeline. i'll still probably do them because i like the Starfleet ships in DISCO

[@madrabbit9007]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I thought that Discovery was in the prime timeline. Sadly there is little to no Alpha cannon on the Disco Trek ships. I recall seeing a few ships both JJ and Disco with the nacelles imbedded in the hull like the Steamrunners. Might be a worthy area of investigation.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah most of the JJ ships are actually similar to FASA ships. the whole embedded nacelles thing. the defiant does it the cardassians and Ferengi do it and thats probably because their tech evolved along different paths.

[@madrabbit9007]

Venom Geek Media 98 then you have the Klingons with nacelles on their cruisers and imbedded on Birds of Prey. I think was Dax who said “Klingon tech is odd.”

[@georgemercer402]

One good thing though: the Constellation-class DOES at least obey the two-nacelle rule since having 4 nacelles is deemed acceptable

[@merafirewing6591]

*sees the Constellation-class thicc saucer* Boy! He Thick!

[@regalecusglesne3022]

a thick saucer shouldn't hinder maneuverability, since you're in space and there's no attrition

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

well its heavier, so you need more power to generate acceleration

[@Qardo]

The Constellation ugly!? Ugly!?!? She is a beautiful class of ship. Sure she is a thicc girl and she ate a lot. Yet some help and pleasant words. She would shine. Though Starfleet throws out designs too quickly and dismiss "problem" ships without really studying them. And this is why Starfleet always gets their asses handed to them. After all. Klingons are still using ship designs older than Humanity has even thought about going into the stars. They are not perfect but they work and they have improved on them. The Constellation-Class would have been a perfect ship for a lot of roles. Very niche roles but roles that not every Starfleet vestal could do. It could be a carrier for hosting wings of fighters, a medical ship that could be basically an orbiting MASH station over a planet or in a conflict zone, still a good deep space explorer, and generally a good training ship (if you can pilot a Constellation. You can pilot just about anything. Even a Jupiter-Class). I think Starfleet dismissing the Constellation-Class was lazy and childish. The ship class had its teething problems but once those were ironed out and you take those "Best" and "Brightest" engineers in Starfleet. The class would have rivaled the Excelsior-Class and even newer designs. Sure she was sleek or pretty but she had function and could do a lot of job well, if configured that way. Plus newer Warp Core deisgns would have fixed the power issue. Still, Starfleet would have thrown away any ship design for newer ones. Unless they are at war and they need ships. The Constellation-Class was a perfect ship to have had a long service. If they stuck with it. I mean shoot they have used the Miranda-Class for Centuries and it is seen as not that great of a ship. But I am like comparing a train to a smart car here. Being the Constellation-Class is the train and the Miranda-Class is the smart car. It is not really fair.

[@MrRandomcommentguy]

Constellation be thicc

[@jimminey-fooking-cricket4903]

What is stopping the Connie from turning on a dime in space there's no friction in space?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

thats true but equally. thats not how its shown on screen. it may have something to do with structural integrity or that the ships are so heavy that thrusters are only good for minor adjustments.

[@jimminey-fooking-cricket4903]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Funny after posting that I has a bit of a brain fart and thought it might be the warp field that could be the cause.

[@SSanatobaJR]

I'm sorry, but I don't think you know enough about what you are talking about here. Yes, the Constellation class has problems. But your claims of nacelle and impulse problems are not actually accurate. Very few Star Trek ships actually steer using their impulse engines. They use thrusters.

[@SSanatobaJR]

And your claims as to why they HAD to have the thick saucer may not be accurate either. Just look at the Cheyenne saucer. It is too big in its own way. A ship has to have enough mass for very different reasons. State these ideas of your AS yours (or where you got them from), not as fact.

[@starrellington7942]

If it had armor it would have been a mean torpedo ship

[@SuperNemo117]

No deflector dish on this? How can it go to warp without killing it self? I always thought the main shuttle bay up front was the dish....

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

an excellent question... some might say in the torpedo modules, or in the saucer hidden under hull plating...

[@Taneth]

Umm but where's the deflector dish?

[@Lukos0036]

They set out to make a mustang and ended up with a buick.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

an excellent comparison.

[@45580677]

Nice

[@rsean4083]

Man, you are really dogging out this cool ship. Don’t hate.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i prefer to think of it as tough love.

[@climberly]

Love the vid! Def like these starship analysis videos. My one question is.... where is the deflector on it? Like dont they need a forward facing deflector to push debris out of the way of the warp field?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yes that is a good point. irl the designers sometimes didn't bother. i've seen TOS constellations that have it in the centre of the nacelle pylons. so it may be there or projected from the upper or lower decks of the saucer.

[@climberly]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Meh, ill take it. That's as good a guess as any. Kinda like the reliant then I guess with the deflector on the bottom?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@climberly yeah i think if you aren't planning on having a visible deflector don't just try to bolt one on.

[@MymMars]

this ship is the design equivalent of shoving a V8 inside of a motorcycle. It might be fast but it is not going to be maneuverable or overly useful.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

That sounds awesome

[@MymMars]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 early versions of said death trap had a foot clutch a 1 speed transmission and a car tire out back. I think the company that makes them "Boss hoss" has evolved to the point where there's a version that has a twin turbo or some ridiculous thing.

[@kevinwiltshire2217]

Front heavy you're in space

[@AvroBellow]

It's ok, you can say it and we all will agree. The Constellation-class was ugly as hell. It looks like it was thrown together and was intended to haul garbage. LOL I'm not certain that this was the first 4-nacelle design in Starfleet. I thought that the Proxima-class was because it started in the TOS era and was refit.

[@sovietdominion]

Tank chat from the Tank musseum?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

that obvious? glad to meet another fan of the Fabulous Mr Fletcher.

[@sovietdominion]

you even kinda sound like him :D

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@sovietdominion thanks i'm glad one of my impressions landed :)

[@thomas.parnell7365]

Ironic if Picard season 2 Picard gets given the star gazer slightly updated . and heavily automated to the point of needing crew of only 20 of shall we say not the cream of crop officers . The admiral give him a ship just not a good one .ensign is that old wreck stargazer still in spares yard good tell them to retrofit the ship with contents of that yard off what they have lieing around I don't care if it's 50 years old if works and send 20 problematic crew to crew it . Admiral picard you're new ship awaits you follow you in your mission good hunting end transmission she laughs have fun least your know that antique.

[@phoenix1985]

I always heard that the reason they didn't use the Constitution because some idiot producer thought the fans would be confused seeing the Enterprise-D and a Constitution and that they would think it was the Enterprise-A and wonder "how could there be two Enterprises?" Clearly underestimating the intelligence of a Star Trek fan.

[@esecallum]

dont like it. it reminded of a dustbin for some reason. thick saucer?

[@douglaseid9021]

Is this canon information?

[@noneyourb2526]

Sounds kinda low struggling to hear

[@ryanbrady3755]

MMM THICK.

[@GRIGGINS1]

Never liked that design. Always found it fugly.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i agree but i think there's an imperfect charm to it.