Shipping Container Houses the Ugly Truth Ep.2

[@jackt6112]

Just from watching the videos of people who built shipping container homes, I'm not convinced they are a low-cost alternative to conventional construction. True, you start out with shell that can be easily and reliably stacked. After that, you fight the design with MORE material and labor than required by conventional construction while being confined to shipping container dimensions. You are limited by zoning issues, and highly variable evaluated worth from a tax, insurance, and bank lending perspective. You don't have a basement, which is the most cost-effective space in a house. For all of your ADDITIONAL effort and expense, you have a house that rusts, a limited resale market, commands a lower price, and a bank lending impact due to their additional risk. It's time to quit pretending they are a low-cost alternative to conventional construction or saving the planet. They seem to be more about making a statement. If it's small and livable you are after, nothing beats a mobile home. You can get nice, livable ones for the cost of moving them.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Not everyone gets it Jack, maybe they will hearing it from you also. That’s why I pinned your comment to the top. Thanks, be blessed

[@deannacrownover3]

We built our house from local cypress heart wood. It's 800 sq ft with a wraparound porch. Including all permitting, it cost it's less than 13k to build the entire thing, right down to the last hinge. We weren't limited as in a container, and I've got the only swamp cabin on the Suwannee that looks like a regular cypress house on the outside, but is zen (clean lines, open spaces and sleek counters and fixtures) on the inside, plus an in kitchen herb garden and has a sleeping porch and a summer kitchen!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@deannacrownover3 I love hearing the success stories! Very nice. Thanks

[@shift-intoglide8232]

What you forget to mention is the fact that mobile homes are THE fastest burning structures on the planet The older the are the faster they burn. They were made cheaply for fast building and quick sales with fiberboard floors and wood panels for walls. And some you might find newspaper for insulation!!! The vast majority are a total loss and will take everything in it, - in the time it takes a fire department to just get to your site. Mobile homes rot out faster than any other home structure for the above reasons too. Theres a darn good reason why mobile home parks have separate mass or individual storm shelters. There isn't a mobile home ever produced that can withstand the smallest of tornados without looking like a bomb blew it and the homes around it to bits, with really no place to hide inside like a tub - or a basement - "which is the most cost-effective space in a house." YOU said? Mobile homes don't have them period. Mobile home parks have the highest death rates in any storm event. And speaking of cost-effective, mobile home are not. If you live in a mobile home park, you "own" the home but rent the land, - if you have a house payment AND pay lot rent you would be paying more than the typical conventional house payment in most cases. Be late or miss a lot rent payment and see how fast the charges & fees add up and how fast they take you to court to kick you out of "your own home" . And mobile homes are treated like cars - they devalue like a falling rock - never worth what you bought it for, no matter what you spend upgrading or repairing a used mobile home. No mobile home ever goes up in value or has a good investment return.. And when you want to sell it - the mobile home park management gets the last word on who buys it. you can be stuck paying for your new living place AND the mobile home payment AND lot rent if park management turns down buyers long enough. And they are motivated to - they can evict you out of "your house" and sell it themselves. There are a whole host of other reasons to NOT buy a mobile home or live in a mobile home park. Ask any working adult - none want to live the rest of their lives in a mobile home or park for a darn good reason. - they are not "comfortable". you fib. .

[@deannacrownover3]

@@shift-intoglide8232 ? This is about building your own home...not mobile homes. I'm sorry, I don't follow.

[@wizanzaini]

Sometime we don't have much options. Living in small metal box is better than under the bridge.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

We contract with a company for Day labor, most are homeless. We hired 1 living in a car, 2 in a shelter and 1 that lived under a bridge in winter. Homeless to 50-85K w APT and truck. We know what forgiveness is(JESUS), and second chances. Good guys.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

We contract with a company for Day labor, most are homeless. We hired 1 living in a car, 2 in a shelter and 1 that lived under a bridge in winter. Homeless to 50-85K w APT and truck. We know what forgiveness is(JESUS), and second chances. Good guys.

[@aquiferjunkie4413]

Or being stuck with a 15-30 year mortgage. No sir. Only brainwashed individuals buy into that american nightmare

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@aquiferjunkie4413 FYI we are dept free for the last 5 years and buy our houses and properties without a mortgage. We didn't do that by being stupid. Thanks

[@aquiferjunkie4413]

@@ModernMountainLiving this was appointed towards the crowd of individuals that cannot afford to buy 'traditional housing' without a mortgage. The individuals who have no financial structure but want to have something that is paid for. Congratulations on your success , I wish the same for those coming here to get the downside of a container home, and left unsatisfied by the biased opinion.

[@VanlilfewithDaleandBailey]

Shipping containers may not be right for you, but there is a lot of people that this works just fine for. You seemed very negative and didn't even offer an alternative as far as I could see.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Dale, yes I was pretty harsh quite a different angle than all the other videos that suger coat it and cause starred eyes that for $3000 you can have cute finished home in as long as a TV show takes. No Coach I ever had got me to do something by sweet talking in a whisper. It has helped people already. @iad8 hear it from a couple that built and live in their Container house. They Love it but express the same concerns I warn about, Costs, Time, cramped spaces, Building a roof on the existing roof, and would build with SIPs next time. They say it all for me. I want to help people. Just wait I will show the alternative. Keep watching.

[@adrianodonovan5342]

He is dead right start with something cut a quarter away reinforce it and replace what you took away ,it's better to just frame out what ya want and clad it

[@snoopu2601]

@@ModernMountainLiving you are right I've grew up with many carpenters it's not as easy that people think it is. If you have the money to pay living wages to a whole group of people to help you build it but if your doing most of the work on your own with a few people helping now and then it takes a while to build it.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@snoopu2601 Keep watching the series cause the later is what I am doing. I'll show how long it takes to build by yourself. Some help too. Thanks.

[@snoopu2601]

@@ModernMountainLiving right on I will keep watching

[@kgvrtrooperkeithgarrick7133]

More expensive sounds like a give and take situation. The ability to add sections as you can afford seems a fair trade..

[@ModernMountainLiving]

For time sake most of my responses are first thoughts. Has that gotten me in trouble, Yep. Funny thing about running everything thru a filter is it takes away the transparency. So I get you on the budget/ needs idea. As a builder first I am thinking about the process. Each time you want to add to the home you will have to go thru the permit/ approval/ inspection process again. Adding time and money but what a pain. I like my privacy so the less ANY agency is on my property the better. Open the door for them to eye any infringement... I don't need it. You may have heard my "Do it Right the first time" in the vid. Go watch my Modern Cabin Plans vid. I end it with stick to the plan. I got this from Property Brothers: we used to call it an Add-on Add-on house, they call it a Moron House because they added more on and more on making the whole thing look stupid. My view is that the home is probably not a very livable house since it wasn't well thought out. To me the stress isn't worth the trade. Have I lived in crappy situations till I could do it right and get what I wanted? More then my wife wants to talk about. Be Blessed

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@Candid1ify]

I like my shipping container house, 2 containers wide where I want it , and one entire wall of glass facing the Valley below. It may not be for everybody, but I did not build for them, and the my ladies toes are toasty warm all the time. Last Point it cost 1/4 of the traditional stick house of the same size.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Valley View and a Happy Wife, sounds like you did it right. My Valley had snow July 2nd. Can you send Pics? Thanks

[@VeganRashad]

Micheal Reid sounds like heaven

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@VeganRashad yes it does, take a look out my window kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKK5dmhtlqt9gK8

[@mrbob9556]

get a motor home!!!

[@aguilayserpiente]

What are the verifiable numbers $ and plans?

[@CIBERXGAMING]

I live in a low top cargo van comfortably. A shipping container is MASSIVE compared to what I live in. I would be very happy with a shipping container.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

You might would miss the freedom of mobility. Grass is always Greener right? Be Blessed

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@SuperCoopdogg]

No. No you wouldnt

[@neilvanvuuren6937]

If you use a Non Running Reefer container it has already got the insulation in it. It comes in a High cube size so ceiling height not an issue. Clever layouts allow for placement of a few containers alongside or on top and means that you sidewall cutouts can be reduced.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Reefers are a great start. Locally Reefers are rarely available and are twice the price of other High Cubes. Since I would have to add insulation to meet the IECC Code, there is no benefit regarding budget. Thanks

[@Diddy_Doodat]

There are plenty of people that have built shipping container home without too much waste of material.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Diddy, you may be right, but there is not a single container house in this County. Plus in the mountains you want lots of windows to see God's work. Thanks

[@Diddy_Doodat]

@@ModernMountainLiving Why does anyone else's house in the county have to influence yours? If you want windows, check out this home (not the layout). kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpuUYZiso8ifhKM

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Awe the California Coastline Weather. See that fog, that filters the sun for them, here the Alpine UV is incredible. Solar gain needs to be restrained to 30% to the South as not to cook you.The best part of Cali. (I don't drink wine) Diddy I know this house, Awesome. Other houses are for comparison only, but you do have to study what has worked in this climate and why. Never fear there is No cookie cutter here.

[@drx1xym154]

This container project looks like it has some potential! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIvciYF_o9SGfrM Also, you can build a small castle, if you want... I like this castle's garage. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXfck3yvba94ga8 Maybe the windows are small, yet it is a fragg'n castle!!!! and a nice sized garage too, plus a tower!

[@bugulater]

Building a home inside a steel box is not cost effective simply because insulation and moisture control is a major problem...and adding a dehumidifier will do nothing to fix the condensation inside the walls.

[@lechatbotte.]

I laugh at these comments. You are giving the reasons these choices don’t work for YOU and your wife not them. Yes you can build just about anything out of anything but it as you stated might not work where you live or be as cost effective to do so. Good review.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I might have prefaced it better, but most don't read the description. Thanks

[@khalevramirez8349]

My design with shipping containers doesn’t include small room issues. It’s a good review but a bit bias. If you can’t design a house than you are subject to a box for living space as opposed to a design which has endless dimensions

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Please share your link to your house and did you see the design of the house in the Modern Cabin Plans vid 1-4? Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@DRsideburns]

"Endless dimensions" 🤣

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@leelotungal819]

Nice video mate thanks for the info. Where I’m from which is Scandinavia, we have ready made shipping container office-break-lunch rooms for job sites. Those containers are all Insulated for hard winters, they all have heating and electricity inside and doors and windows on the walls. All you have to do is plug them in and you’re ready. They go for around 3-4K USD used and In great condition, those are not a bad option for a cabin or even a house.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Here our job site offices are fitted trailers, fine for temp office but not for a residence. Besides my friends in Sweden make really cool looking houses/cabins that are really comfortable. Good stuff, Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

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[@AllenManor]

This alternative viewpoint regarding shipping container/tiny houses/straw bale houses/barns is refreshing. I don't doubt that many people have success with those homebuilding methods but in general those methods always left me wondering what the shortcomings were. Seems most information about them is almost evangelistic, as if they are selling a lifestyle, when I've just wanted to know what makes the most sense. Thanks for shining a light on the pitfalls.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

This vid is in response to the previous vid where we discussed what we were allowed to build "The Permit Process". You have to eliminate what will not work on each site to define what will work. Thanks Mighty, Mighty Cast

[@ModernMountainLiving]

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[@SkilledEddie]

I used to think a shipping container was a bad idea too but I recently put more thought into it and changed my mind for one specific reason mainly. A shipping container is already dried in so you aren't held up by the weather for the most part constructing your home.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I think for most people they see it the same way. It is a standing structure already. Eddie have you done a take off on materials to do the same? What if you could do the same, your design, my your self for less money, would a container still have the appeal? Now think you are confined to those diminsions for ever instead of building what you want in the time you are waiting for delivery and the crane to schedule. Does that still make sense? Now build it in a remote location on a dirt road at 12 per cent grade. I have a video coming that will help you. Thanks

[@glengibellina4526]

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[@JamesCouch777]

After watching Life Uncontained since the beginning of their build I would say it's not easier or quicker but they are doing a great job and will have a very solid and sturdy house so it all depends on what you want.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I like them. Look at reply to Lars and Lonnie. Comfortable, Liveable, warm is what my wife wants. Thanks, James

[@JamesCouch777]

@@ModernMountainLiving I read them. I think they were just saying that because it doesn't fit your needs is no reason to knock it. We have a neighbor who built a hay bale house about 30 years ago. It's held up well.

[@davidsiegel9847]

I have no criticism of the Life Uncontained build. But it looks MORE expensive than a conventional build, and with all the inputs, no great ecological bargain, either. Well-built, well-designed. But, what about those with limited funds? I appreciate quality, but on a serious budget, how to proceed? Plumbing and sanitary system for LU build will be expensive. Superb project, great couple. And if that house and property is their dream, wonderful. Just looks expensive, and not super ecological. Off-grid houses seem to require lots of inputs from on-grid industry and the established economy.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@davidsiegel9847 in terms of expense: a quick build is one thing but a self build might mean that you don't have any income during that time of which you have to add your income potential to the cost of the build. How to proceed: make decisions so that you don't have to redo previous work. Stick to the Plan. Next Video in the series. Thanks

[@JamesCouch777]

@@davidsiegel9847 they are doing a great job for a couple of kids with no construction experience to speak of and at 200k subs I would say the build is paying off. From what they said when they started it was more about re-purposing than economy.

[@jackraley8854]

20 foot? 40 foot with 9.5 feet ceilings! You didn't look too far

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Jack you may be right as I can find longer containers than 40', but I haven't found higher than the 9'6". Please put a link where to find them.

[@jackraley8854]

There too many to name. My broker in Mexico said China changed the rules on him so I emailed many companies and found a lot Chinese companies to buy from like Alibaba.com. Some build schools not to our standard but its a back-up.

[@prodaof2554]

You won't find higher then 9'6" any higher would be custom and rare that height is so they can fit on a semi and be over 13'6". Which is the standard height.

[@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife]

@@ModernMountainLiving easiest Google search ever. Look up Hi-Cube shipping containers for sale.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife you do know that High Cubes are 9'6" outside dimension like I said before? I was trying to politely respond to Jack saying I didn't look too far to give a reference to bigger than the High Cubes in the video because I knew it wouldn't happen. I get a lot of comments that I don't know what I am talking about from people that didn't bother finding out what I do. Maybe they comment without watching or they don't understand what is stated in the video.The yard I shot the stacked video has some 200+ containers Reefers, 53', even 5'x5'x5' containers. Thanks Eric

[@davidtogi5878]

Is it good to make a storehouse from a shipping container? Is it good for tropical climate (23°-32°C, 4-6 month heavy rain, 75%-90% humidity, 10-30 km/h wind speed, flood rarely)? Is it insect/bug proof? What kind of adjustment needed before it can be used? How long will it last? Will the temperature inside damage the stored items? I.e. items made from plastic, metal, wood, fabric, electronic, paper. Sorry for lots of questions. 🙏

[@ModernMountainLiving]

David, Great questions. Sorry I missed this comment. Condensation(humidity) are going to be your biggest challenge using a container for storage. I see from the list Plastic would be your least concern but the rest need to be dry. Now containers do have vents at the ends, but they don't offer circulation. Containers are GREAT for securing property, hands down the best for temporary. We do have issue with our metal tools collecting rust. They do offer great bug, rodent protection. Be Blessed

[@davidtogi5878]

@@ModernMountainLiving thank you for your reply. I am planning to move to a rent house/flat means lots of my old stuff will never fit there. I am now deciding whether selling my stuff, renting a storage or making a store room from container will be cheaper. Your informations will help me a lot. Thank you. 😊

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@davidtogi5878 My last move we spent $5000 renting storage for a couple hundred worth of stuff.

[@garthrichert5256]

You blew the lid off my container ideas. I can only say a most grateful thank you. The economic considerations are not what one thinks either.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

When people are honest on here they admit that the draw to containers bottom line is they have no building experience and think that an existing structure solves all the problems as far as they can see. AS FAR AS THEY CAN SEE. Then they find they still have to stick frame walls but it is harder to do inside on a rigid matrix. Somebody wasn't paying attention in Geometry class. I get the 10 stack strength comment all the time from those that didn't know the corner posts are the only thing that are load bearing. The bottoms and tops don't touch. (I copied that from my reply yesterday) What I don't have the perfect answer for everyone's application, I try to

[@ohctascooby2]

You can buy high cube containers for more ceiling height and containers that already have side door openings that would allow a connective gateway between them when two are put together which would eliminate the need for steel reinforcing to be added.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

C4D I love the process of problem solving. Yes side doors are out there, but not common or you would see them on most all container houses. Look thru the comments regarding high cubes. Did you know that when you subtract the floor depth and top you have only a little more than 8'. Back to the problem solving: windows need a header for support. Unless you have a skin allergy to vitamin D, work graveyard shift or are a vampire you will want windows. Double duty on solutions on water proofing the connection, water proofing ... if you have side doors and don't modify the doorways. See where all these issues just lead to more issues to resolve. Keep it simple, if you don't create more problems to resolve life can be better. Only way to eliminate structural support is eliminate gravity. There you go now there will be a channel on building shipping containers for colonizing Mars. My brain doesn't turn off, I think of these in my sleep too. Thanks C4D

[@nordonna417]

Thank you

[@ModernMountainLiving]

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[@MrMonero]

So what would be your recommendation for a build here in the highlands of Scotland?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Haven’t been to the Highlands yet but I do know cold and windy conditions. Look around my vids for a “House that won’t Burn” SIPs work well as do ICFs(Expert Advice on SIPs). I did the last vid with a builder from Alaska. With your wet conditions I would steer you away from the German wood panel system. Be Blessed

[@MrMonero]

@@ModernMountainLiving will look into it. Thanks 🙌🏼

[@timothyhines7845]

Built a container house with a fella. He used 3 forty foot and one 20 footer paced in a square with a square "barn roof" with a raised center for a smoke relief. Yes it had a "fire pit" center. He plumbed and finished the four containers after I was no longer working with him ( having been deployed to Iraq my second time). Came back he had bermed in the containers and his water tank and the grass was taking hold. (18 month deployment) In short, you can do a LOT with containers. Like everything else you just have to apply some imagination.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I have replied on our barns with 2 parallel boxcars and trusses spanning between. From What you learned and since I am into performance building for efficiency, do you see yourself replicating that build and why? BTW are you anywhere close to Vermont or Texas and interested in helping with DV home building? Just yes or No in this public forum. Can't say this enough "Thank you and all that serve this country".

[@timothyhines7845]

@@ModernMountainLiving it was way too big for anything I would ever need. Honestly I was a second set of eyes and a helper and machine operator as needed. He had it planned out. I live in Cisco TX. Not 18 anymore, but not adverse to sweating. If you find yourself building in the "neighborhood" sure thing.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@timothyhines7845 Never got off the 20, but I know where Cisco is.

[@dominicniemeijer2948]

better title: "how to think in problems" why not talk about solutions? tho your comments make sense it's still very negative :(

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Though this evaluation is for our location, the issues still remain. You will be Laughing your A** off when I put out the Spoof video "Shipping Container Houses Exposed- The Naked Truth". How's that for a title? Thanks Dominic

[@patriotjoe3110]

I came here for the contra point of view. The best decisions are made knowing the good and the bad. All others only talk about the rosy side.

[@jerrywhidby.]

Did the 'ugly truth' in the title mislead you somehow. Most people do not realize that in America we still use asbestos a lot. I doubt you will see many comments saying people should stop being negative about asbestos. Stating the negatives, allows people to work on their solutions.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@jerrywhidby. Good add there Jerry, the Lead Paint conversation has all but disappeared too. When you think back 15-20 years when most retired Containers were made, lead based paint was the norm for salt water protection.

[@Ghostcamel]

@@patriotjoe3110 Most others do yea. Im just now hearing from the pros and they have some concerns that i knew nothing about.

[@i-blather]

What if I spent more on the front end and got one where the long side opens up and one end ... Then I wouldn’t have to pay for any cuts into the steel and reinforcements. Fill both with mostly glass/sliders, have the metal doors as storm doors and then I could add a deck on the long side with glass. It doesn’t get very hot where I live so 3/4 of the year I could open up that long side and increase my living space. Thoughts?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

In my neighborhood a 40' High Cube one trip container costs $8000. To get an upgrade from there is about $10,000. That is a lot of money for 320 sq feet then add delivery and set up charges. Now how I see it: $10,000 buys a lot of lumber metal siding AND insulation with doors and windows. Bigger better, warmer, comfortable and any dimension you want. Right? kzbin.info/www/bejne/r37Tf36OaK15rMU Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Pouring Concrete is the new vid kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp2llZx4hZhqnrc Be Blessed

[@LongpreRob]

In my experience Containers are much more cost effective then normal framing and much stronger. Yes you do have to open things up and by that you need new support but even after doing that It's still less money and stronger.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Prices do seem to differ in many parts of the country. In my area One Trip 40' 9.5' containers cost $8000 plus delivery. That would be $35k for the containers delivered and still in a raw state and still only 8' wide. The R-42 closed cell SIPs we used cost $47k plus $7k for a week of labor and heavy equipment to assemble. In a week we had a dried in house that was 63 degrees with snow on the ground. More over Comfort over cost was a driving force in our decision to not use containers.Our 12-17' ceilings make the house feel a bit bigger too. Thanks for sharing your experience I would love to see your build.

[@Tim-Kaa]

@@ModernMountainLiving in my area 40' high cube is 1800, shipping extra 550$

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Our price is for a One trip high boy, and depending on the grade old ones are $2700-4000 so you are getting a good price.

[@shawnsalter5292]

@@ModernMountainLiving you must live in the worst place to get containers. for $8000 i could have 2 40' high cube placed on my freshly poured concrete slab and weilded together.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

We are a long way from any port that's for sure. Anything trucked over our 10,000 ft mountain passes cost more, add the danger factor. Truckers die often, went to a friends memorial last night.

[@fotisk9940]

You can always connect 2 or 3 containers and have as much space as you like. You can also insulate the exterior side and save space from inside. You can do a whole lot of things concerning spacing, architecture etc. It's a way of building with its pros and cons like all the construction methods

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I am not convinced that building that takes more trades, more time, more labor, more money, another roof, another siding, less comfortable , more obstacles is better than just doing it right the first time instead.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

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[@Daeyel]

Joining containers ends up a nightmare. The cost of welding them together is prohibitive unless you can weld it yourself. And then you have leak risks, cause most backyard welders do not have the expertise needed to make a lasting weld that won't crack or weaken over time as the metal heats and cools and thus, flexes. Just say no to cutting them up and joining them. Also, a 20 foot container comfortable houses 1 person, a 40 foot container, 2 people. These are not for growing families. If you want space, best to buy multiples and make an enclosed box. Now you have a courtyard!

[@codeyalan]

The walls of the shipping container aren't really there for structure. It's the frame that does that you can remove the walls and doors and it still is structurally sound. So cutting parts out won't affect the structure at all. And closed cell foam have kits that all you need is an air compressor to use it. But they do lack size and don't have much insulation.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I demonstrated this before. Take a 12 pack(DR Pepper) box, empty, open both ends, push the top side to side. Try it again with the sides cut out. Shear wall protection it a real thing for a reason. I wish I could send you photos of the roof bowing or falling to the ground from people that thought the 1200lbs of roof were going to float. I will include them on my spoof video. Codey if you have actually done the cutting out the sides, and or getting rid of the ends. Please send me some pics so I will quit warning people. [e-mail] Thanks

[@BareRoseGarage]

Biggest advise I have for anyone thinking about this, is simple. Buy a USED class A motorhome. Usually in the fall you can pick them up pretty cheap because people don't want to pay to store them. Live in it for 1 year where you want to put your Container Home. If you like it, you can handle living in a "tiny home". Then use the Motorhome to live in while you are building your Container House. When you are all done you can either sell the Motorhome to someone else, or use it to vacation with. If you can't do it it, you can bag the idea and you aren't out the cash with a "hard to sale home". Yep..... that's the one no one talks about. Tiny Living is a SMALL market, so don't expect a good return on investment on these. All alternative construction & housing floats in the "gray" area, and in a black & white word that gray can turn black in a hurry. As for carbon foot print, that 1987 38' class A Fleetwood with a 454 Big Block Chevy me and wife lived in for a year has emitted fewer emissions than a 2018 Toyota Prius. Because it NEVER moves. It's only got 38,000 original miles on it. Its Too Big to drive, even when it was in it's prime so it does nothing but sit and be a "home" with a motor in it.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Yep, I have offered my experience here many times. Our 1997 5th wheel cost $5000 and had everything in place to live comfortably. Compare that to a one trip 40' shell for $8000. After the build we sold the RV for $6500. Be Blessed

[@BareRoseGarage]

@@ModernMountainLiving Yep, to live in a box, you have to constantly think outside the box. Just always be true to yourself and it will all come to be. Oh yeah..... If you find the perfect spot for your tiny home or container house but it doesn't allow that stuff there. It's Not The Perfect Spot! Keep looking because they are out there.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@BareRoseGarage Great view and healthy attitude. Be Blessed

[@sporter7249]

What are your thoughts about using a semi-truck trailer? It’s very similar to the shipping container. I’m considering this option myself. Thank you for the information you provide. It’s good to see things from different angles before investing what may be for some, as myself, limited resources.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Stephanie, awesome way to look inside the box, because starting with something mobile that can easily get a trucker to move it makes life simpler. I needed you when I suggested that starting with a reefer has a huge advantage. Please document you build from buying to move in. I m not the only one that wants to see a good success story. Be blessed.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Stephanie, How is your build coming along? New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@Moslef]

OK you gave several examples of what not to use, so what do you use?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Farris, till the video of the build, the "Modern Cabin Plans ph4" and "House that will Not Burn" will give you some details of the High Performance of building with SIPs. Thanks

[@JG-kv4oi]

I agree with you. I built a craft house for my wife with a 40ft container and I knew it before I started. I went first class on the whole project, all new materials, 4 windows, 6ft patio door, electric and wood heat and air conditioning. Framed it out inside with 2x4s, walls and ceiling, then had two inches of spray foam applied the the metal walls and ceiling before I insulated it with the pink stuff. Its sealed up tight as a drum. I could have built a stick frame house faster. Then why did I do it? I can fork it with my forklift and move it anytime I need to, but I'll never build another one.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Jerry, Experience is the best teacher, and best to learn from others mistakes than make them yourself. I like hearing when someone did build to high craft spec. So you didn't train you roof to float when you made cut outs? And no shiny paint for insulation ? A truly honest account from an honest man. If you saw the "Fear of the Unknown" Getting a Permit video in the series, you saw that this county requires a permanent connection to a foundation. Thanks for the comment.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@hdj81Vlimited]

you can lift a framed house also.

[@penicheavendre]

thanks for the good explaination work, please let me know what the best economical / design solution for home built

[@ModernMountainLiving]

While I am building the vids kinda take a back seat. My "House that won't burn" vid will get you on the road to the SIPs I am using. Also the " Modern Cabin Plans PH 4". Thanks

[@adamakaru2683]

Thank you! I am thinking of the material to build off the grid and I need every bits of information thanks again.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@psycholocke4090]

if you need more information about Straw Houses in cold climate i suggest looking for houses in Switzerland or the alps in general. during my search for low enery houses i stumbled over them as well. yes you are correct about moisture and mold issus but with the correct building materials and their propper use the are manageable. i hope you and your wife will get a suitable house for yourself.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Great comment. Switzerland is changing as we all should (who was that crazy guy that first lived hot side of the Cave) since WW2 Switzerland has perfected the concrete house by looking like log cabins. They are now coming around to well insulated houses. Have you seen any of the SIPs videos for our build? Thanks

[@damonwheeler7538]

Thanks for the video. I had been thinking about building one seeing some of the nice ones people have built, but i got to looking at the pricing and did not see the advantage. Your video confirmed what i was thinking. Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Damon, truly the shame is lenders are not on board. While that doesn't effect our build and maybe not yours, I have to consider the future if we sell the buyer would have to pay cash. Sounds like you are in for an interesting project. Keep me informed as you go. kzbin.info/www/bejne/an7NgamOnr2fptk Thanks

[@votronimatic]

The steel you cut out can be used for stiffening. No waste or extra needed if you design carefully.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

If you are the first one of many that has made this comment that actually built your home this way, I want to talk with you and ask you to share. I understand Structural steel work and thin skin siding doesn't do it. I just unloaded 25 pc of metal siding that is a great example of the issue with layers. Moisture gets trapped between each layer and rusts. Can you stack enough thin material to match the thickness of an I beam ? Sure but the end result of all that work would be a quickly deteriorating result. Bu post a link if you have an example of your proposal. I just haven't seen it yet. Thanks

[@MiyakoAkina]

Well here in Germany we've build shipping container homes for a long time. We even use them for additional space for schools, kindergardens, offices and so on. Here the modular buildings are totally normal. And we don't face any of the problems you mentioned. We have insulation which is 100 % recyclable. Or other types of insulation like spray polyurethane foam. So many more to think of. So for me there is no such thing as an ugly truth. Guess I'm just used to see those builds here in Europe so often. Part of our every day life.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I've been known to use corrugated siding on most of my homes. So as for Ugly I like the look, just not practical to live in when there is a better way. Thanks Toluene

[@Bustahbrown]

You’re in construction, traditional homes I presume and you need to please the wife=biased. 🤔

[@akira5982]

Ok what happened, something or someone with a shipping container home pissed you off, what happened??? 🤔

[@ModernMountainLiving]

No, A Response to the previous vid in the series. New Vid DIRT kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE

[@melvinmariott8609]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking.

[@micahgrover8158]

Like the video and personality behind it. I made a Conex shop with roll up door and a lean to here in Hawaii. 10k- I’m a DIY looking for most cost effective way for my house, I do the labor. Stuck a bit looking for answer.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Climate is the question I always start with. So all of my talk about super insulated has little relevance for building in perfect weather. Follow along the series or ask me questions. The ICF vid coming up should interest you the self/builder. Thanks

[@micahgrover8158]

Gobuilditbetter warm weather but 120” inches of rain, but insulation not a concern. I’m thinking post and pier since I don’t have to have plumber/electrician install in concrete(contractor required) And concrete is labor intensive and expensive. But I thought about barndominium (mech/welder) and pole barn but keep coming to same conclusion as u did with conex house. Ughhh stick build so slow and many parts, expensive, but I don’t see what beats it, do you?

[@ronniemorrow8181]

Andrew Camarada, on KZbin, built a garage and apartment from containers. Looks like a Castle.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Saw it, liked it.

[@datahound8060]

Yea and he lives in it with a carhartt coat on because it's 40 degrees all the time

[@ModernMountainLiving]

New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@stephanbranczyk8306]

But Andrew Camarada had his living room as a loft right above his freezing garage. That being said, now that he completed the rest of his castle, maybe he can move his living room to a better area upstairs that's easier to heat. That's what I would do if I were him.

[@FloridaManConstruction]

He rocked that!

[@mdx9286]

Thanks for the ugly truth. I too arrived at this conclusion a year back when discussing the idea of a shipping container home with a neighbor whose an architect. His response was, “If you want to build a smaller home, just pour a smaller foundation and build a smaller home. This way you’re not restricted to living in a linear space.”

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Amen, please repeat that for the people that didn't understand the first time. Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@SunniLove__]

That’s thinking linearly. You can add on. I’m building on between two containers.

[@jamestom2510]

As a real estate photographer i have only seen a couple container shed homes thingys, because they werent prperly set up, but i found them stuffy and claustrophobic, and here in the high heat of australia i just cant see how they would be insulated enough to make them livable. and the costs associated with making them livable would be better used in a prefab home setup of some sort. A prefab home can have all the best insulating manufactured in house under strict tolerances and then delivered on site.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Careful there James, some people don't like to hear the truth from Professionals. Gotta let you know: we are watching those fires down under and praying for you. Thanks

[@dbau21]

Starts @5:04 but don't let what he says hinder your dreams/plans

[@ModernMountainLiving]

So your best advice is if you could be happier building easier, cheaper, better, DON'T! Are you really Bernie Sanders?

[@flytie3861]

@@ModernMountainLiving ok boomer

[@miss.bitchswerve6329]

@@ModernMountainLiving Lol, no wonder i found your video suspicious

[@miss.bitchswerve6329]

@@ModernMountainLiving You sound bitter and you are part of the home industry business explains everything

[@miss.bitchswerve6329]

@@ModernMountainLiving 🤣

[@DavidMDensford]

I have been a SIP guy for 10 years. Worked with a university in San Antonio on a 4-way home construction evaluation with their college of Architecture. Stick vs Aerated Concrete vs Container vs SIP. The SIP took 2 days for walls and roof and was way under budget whereas the container sucked up everyone else's time and budget AND was horrible on air sealing and energy use.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Sing it Loud David. Thanks

[@DavidMDensford]

www.triplercommunities.com

[@ModernMountainLiving]

New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@bartoszosika8058]

Ok, but do you have any comparison of prices and anything to back up statement that it's hard to reinforce? Because so far I have seen all the companies offering them were much cheaper than traditional housing(I'm located in EU though).

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I have left several comments comparing price for similar builds. As a minimum square footage here multiple containers make the numbers even more difficult to justify. Did you see the Ireland Container build on GRAND DESIGN BBC? Great house, he spent 110,000 lbs in reinforcement alone. Don;t forget land, water, septic, power and logistics are not ever included when showing the price of a container. Thanks

[@jerometruitt1452]

seems most of these concerns can be alleviated by a little common sense or better planning. Is there anything that would stop you from reinforcing cut outs with a cheaper material instead of steel like thick wood for example? as for ceiling height...thats why you buy a high cube 9ft instead of 8. Need space? Insulate from the outside to save space inside. As a builder it seems like you should know this stuff.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

As a builder I do know this stuff and also why I bring these to light as issues for those that aren't. I addressed the wood v steel issue previously. I'll recap the short on my lunch break. Securing wood to metal skin, screws offer water issues to address. Weld tabs to avoid the penetration issue you get fitment issues if you aren't perfect in placement. If you are there to weld tabs already, just weld the steel support. One and done. Insulate the outside by covering the outside skin now you have to skin it again to protect the insulation and water proof again. See the circle starting to form? 9'6" is the OD not the ID of a high cube. that floor is 6"+/- and the top is 3" +/-. Biggest "livability" addition to our apartment communities has been 9' ceilings. I hear my stomach growling. Glad you brought it up, Thanks

[@rabidspiders01]

Square steel tubes are pretty cheap to use for reinforcing cut outs. Assuming you have tools doing tube cuts and prefabricating is pretty cheap as well. Only three problems I see is: 1. Binding containers together. 2. Dealing with the double doors. 3. Hiring a wielder that can do the floor plan's in timely manner.

[@rabidspiders01]

Either way goes the initial build to make the thing livable is way cheaper than a 1bed house. Dude said he built them for 3rd world countries relief shelters....hmmm I wonder why, perhaps because it was the cheapest option.

[@Clarkcanepa]

@@ModernMountainLiving reinforcing with welded steel beams is not costly enough to negate the economical advantage of the container (unless many are joined and long sections removed. and nobody but this guy recommended insulating the container from the exterior. insulation of containers is not an issue. yet it keeps being brought up. like it is. i am still waiting for you to show me the light but so far you have not raised a single, not opinionated reason that building with shipping containers is most of the time economically disadvantageous. still waiting.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@Clarkcanepa I put it out there but this might help by hearing it from people that have built a container house. click link at 5:55. Ask Avalon xx here in the comments. he built his to high spec read what he says : costs more, takes longer, very hard to do well. Clark, INSULATION LIVES MATTER( every body else is jumping on the bandwagon) prove something to yourself. Spend a SUMMER day and night in a container. Wait till winter, even where you live you will want insulation. Here we get 52 degrees below freezing, and three months where it doesn't get above freezing. When it does we wear t shirts. Watch my "Greater to Give " Video that was 5 degrees, notice long sleeve t shirt and a vest. If you have ever worn a jacket or coat you understand insulation. If you need more to see the light, I have more. Please try these suggestions and get back to me, you will be singing the same song as I am. Video time lapse your day in the container and post it. Thanks Clark

[@davidstovall7646]

SCIP Home! "Structural Concrete Insulated Panels"! Expanded Polystyrene core with 2x2 wire mesh held off the foam on each side. Spray 1" to 2" of concrete on each side of the panel. A Yeti Home! Fire, insect, wind and rot resistant. SCIP home built in Crystal Beach Texas survived Hurricane Ike with less that $2,000 damage when all the stick frame homes were Gone! A portion of the homes were new and built to the latest coastal codes, they were gone!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Ours stood at Treasure Island bu the house next door fell against the one next to it. Mosquitos Reigned after that.

[@davidstovall7646]

Facebook: SCIP - Structural Concrete Insulated Panels

[@ModernMountainLiving]

New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@atm646]

Excellent content......So what would you use to build an earth or berm home to live in and use for a preppers dream home?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Missed this some how, I have put 40,000 miles on my truck this year. If you are going semi underground, like all builds moisture mitigation will be your biggest challenge. Condensation will be of issue but an ERV or HRV will address that for you. For the self-builder please look into ICF construction. If an attic is not needed top it off above grade with a SIPs roof. Minimal space, maximum insulation value. Crazy material costs right now make this more favorable especially if concrete is not in short supply in your area. Be Blessed

[@wainbanfield6775]

There are far too many people who have lost sight of what the tiny house movement is about. The tiny house movement is a solution for those who wish to remove themselves from under the heel of tyrannical government who wish to bleed you of every cent they can to ensure their existence. The government has forgotten that they are public servants and they are there for THE PEOPLE. Hence building regulations stipulating minimum sizes. By the time all your rooms comply with minimum size regulations and by-laws you have to have an absurdly large home of several thousand square feet. This then forces you into huge utility bills to light and heat said home. This also means huge rates and taxes bills to keep government paid and comfortable. Only one word for it... Extortion. Everyone who decides to use shipping containers or a shed/barn knows they will have to move outside city limits to avoid idiotic building by-laws. If they have to make that move then they would surely move to a part of the country that is moderate in climate, where their container would need the absolute minimum of framing and insulation. The advantage with a container/shed/barn is that its a weather tight structure that you can live in while you do the fit-out...not everyone has buckets of money to line the pockets of a landlord while they hemorage vast sums of money building a conventional house. A very well planned container can be more than adequate. Beats being homeless. Lastly, containers do come in extra tall and wide sizes.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Well said Wain. My best guess regarding "Minimum Footage" regulation might be that Taxation per square foot wouldn't cover the cost of County/ City provided services. That is thought why Tiny Houses are Outlaws, the Permanent Foundation is a different issue. I lived in a 200 sq ft garage apartment(legal) for 4 years so size is not the issue because the main house also paid huge Property Taxes. The best Moderate Climate for Container Houses is Southern California, but there is No where more difficult to build by regulation.

[@JamesCouch777]

All great reasons to move somewhere there are few to no restrictions.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Amen James, here's the feasibility study video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r37Tf36OaK15rMU

[@lynnhamps7183]

@@ModernMountainLiving Don't agree with much you said to be fair and 'segway?' didn't you mean segue? ...or do you have a different way of spelling too?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Lynn, good observation. Segue for us musicians is common language, but for ease of clarity I used the Americanized version for simplicity not that I have any issue with Italian. Simplicity is better not splitting hairs and Merriam- Webtser has my back. More interesting: what do you not agree with. Your Opinion(s) is welcome here.

[@LovingTheCountryLife-Paradise]

I think as a guest room. I have acreage but live in an r.v. dint wanna build a house. Have a container. I own a wood shop. So we get materials for cheaper than most and we are carpenters too. A weekend getaway I'd think would be okay.

[@BlackFyreGroup]

Thoroughly informative, and HIGHLY hilarious! Thnx

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Not many get the attempts at comedy, yes, feeling we’re hurt in the making of this video. Thanks

[@EV1N3M]

By mixing dirt with WHAT?!?!? OH...cement...

[@BIZZIB3ATZ]

Me: mixing dirt with...huh where would they even get that much...oh cement CEMENT

[@LuckyLucky-xp2sz]

Hahahahaha I caught that too. It sounded like semen

[@timsheekey8489]

Until I saw this comment that’s what I thought. It’s a weird world I believed it! Lol

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@timsheekey8489 Tim , Mind out of the gutter. This post you replied to is not the only one. There are many that don't have building on their mind. I have to leave them because they are funny.

[@SBecktacular]

Yeah and he’s supposed to be a builder?- only a dipshit says ‘see Ment’ Instead of concrete

[@loudieselj3165]

Thanks man for killing my life long dream of living in a sardine can

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I am sure several people were inspired by their sister's Easy Bake Oven. Yep, all societies housing problems solved, Just make a bigger Easy Bake Oven. Oh yeah and slap some shiney paint on for insulation, that'll work. Somebody hold my beer, I'm going in....

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Pouring Concrete is the new vid kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp2llZx4hZhqnrc Be Blessed

[@foryourgloryministries9564]

Lol 😂 has

[@youtubecensorship646]

That makes a funny sentence, but a container house is not a sardine can. If you change your mind, that's fine, but it is not necessary to start hating them. There is a lot of pretty nice builds out there with a lot of room.

[@julianriemer2916]

I get your point and you're probably right in terms of extra costs for reinforcing the structures after cutting. May I ask what kind of did you build for your wife and yourself? Gruss Julian from Switzerland

[@ModernMountainLiving]

The R-54 closed cell SIPs went up in 5 days in negative temps and snow. We used a 1500 watt space heater to bring the house up to 65F in -28F outside temps. The next vid in the series is Talk Dirt y" kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4S8Zql4oZaJapY Julian, you should subscribe to watch the videos as they come out, your Swiss interpretation would be interesting. Thanks

[@julianriemer2916]

@@ModernMountainLiving cool ❄️looking forward to this vid 👍

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Pouring Concrete- Self Builder, is the new vid kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp2llZx4hZhqnrc Be Blessed

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Pouring Concrete- Self Builder, is the new vid kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp2llZx4hZhqnrc Be Blessed

[@13bravoredleg18]

I tore down old houses and barns for lumber. I built a 850 sq ft 2 story cabin out of it all. I recycle everything!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I am not afraid of saving money, nice. Hope you are not in Tornado ally anymore. Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@AppletonPermaculture]

Sawn wood: "I just don’t see why you would take material away from your logs." Cut rock: "I just don’t see why you are destroying a perfectly good cave." Etc etc

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Pete were you watching THIS video from Doncaster?

[@AppletonPermaculture]

@@ModernMountainLiving no, why do you ask?!

[@bode260]

I just priced a shipping container house made from 5 containers, over priced all materials & still came out at around 70k.. *not including the steel beams for areas in need of extra support, cost of the 8 windows or decking for the exterior (still working these cost out).. but u could still add 20-30k for these & be far under the average cost of a traditional built home.. This cost also includes solar, water collection, generators, all appliances & 1600 sq feet of living space.. & the best part of shipping container homes is if u need to expand for a growing family, just add a couple more containers without having to destroy a part of your home to do it, simply cut an access to the new area & connect the containers. Less waste & much faster construction to get it done.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Bode, have you watched Contained Living? Their build is 3+ years and they almost are half way done. I can show you a way to Go Build It Better. Be Blessed

[@bode260]

@@ModernMountainLiving That sounds familiar but I can't confirm if I have seen it.. But I would def be interested in seeing what u have to show me.. You can DM me.. Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@bode260 The help most request is for the self builder. Depending on your location I recommend looking into SIPs kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHq8eJdjhtN9hrs or ICFs or a combination of the two as I do. Be Blessed

[@JesusSaves86AB]

It's a "to each their own" approach. Many variables to consider as well such as price of container based on location, cost of transportation based on location, climate, etc.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I agree. For more on the subject read the replies to Lonnie, Peter, Lars and Rob. These are the parameters we are dealing with. Thanks, Def

[@ModernMountainLiving]

New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@jameseddy6835]

So many people disagree with you on shipping container homes.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4qqlmSohc6Umpo hear it from a couple that built and live in their Container house. They Love it but express the same concerns I warn about, Costs, Time, cramped spaces, Building a roof on the existing roof, and would build with SIPs next time. They say it all for me. I want to help people.

[@drx1xym154]

This container project looks like it has some potential! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIvciYF_o9SGfrM Also, you can build a small castle, if you want... I like this castle's garage. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXfck3yvba94ga8 Maybe the windows are small, yet it is a fragg'n castle!!!! and a nice sized garage too, plus a tower!

[@headieddieful]

Because they have become biased and ingrained with the idea that it is a good idea. He is right, we can do far better for much less.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

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[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@drx1xym154 New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@JacopoSkydweller]

So. I love the idea of a shipping container home, but I want to have realistic expectations and know of potential hurdles/cost effectiveness/comfort etc. Context: I want to buy a plot of land in the Jemez mountains behind Los Alamos, NM. It is cold there during the winter, 33" average yearly snowfall. 17" of yearly rain average, probably 20% humidity average as well. lows typically 20 F winter, 89 F peak summer. The biggest single factor for why I would consider a metal home is fire. Those mountains burn every year. I love cabins, A frame homes, etc, but I would really like to build something that is all but impossible to burn. Thoughts?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Funny you should ask. I was leaving SFCC the evening before the Cerro Grande in 2000 and had to pull over to watch a bit of smoke on the west side of the mountain. Who knew? I know where unmarked hot springs are in the Jemez. Where Jack's Cabin is in the Pecos and saw my first mountain lion above Serpent Lake. I know that country. This video series isn't complete but you should watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHq8eJdjhtN9hrs . I started this channel to help those that want to self/build a home that performs better, cost less and isn't cookie cutter. So take what you like about a container and don't start with the issues and move forward easier and faster. Most city Building Codes mandate a high percentage of masonry or metal siding for non combustion. If you were in a wet area I might not advise this but it does work in Scandinavia, but NO roof overhangs keep heat from building up under a roof so it won't ignite. Metal roofs are Key and great for snow country. Go thru some of my vids on Design and plans. Get back with me. Be Blessed.

[@livinglife8333]

My sister and brother in law have a container house. It’s fantastic! The outside is painted white and the tops are painted in the reflective RV roofing. It stay cool in summer and warm in winter.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

It must be great to live in an area that insulation is not needed or Mandated. Link pictures Please.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@rango_unchained you have never seen the energy code. insulation in necessary. Wow again

[@M21assult]

So a 9'6" container 40', single trip is about $3500 delivered near me. You made a good point about insulation, but if you dig it into a hillside you have your insulation, right? Obviously that won't work everywhere. The sides aren't really the most structurally sound anyways, that's the job of the frame and floor, and doors. It's why you see them stacked 10 high at ports. I don't need a permit to put this where I live either, as long as I'm not plugged into utilities or it's not otherwise tied down as a permanent structure. I'm only home 16 days a year, so this would be great for me. One more thing, on a real house you're worried about the speed that you can build it out, material will get water damage, with this, the project is enclosed other than some windows and a door which could be cut out and installed in a day. That allows people to actually build the house. In places with high homeless populations, these really do offer a better solution than real housing. Cities can stick them on abandoned/vacant lots, when someone comes in to develop that parcel, move them. No need to tear down temp housing or force people in tents to move when it can be picked up and carried away.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I see where you are coming from. My Haitian Emergency Housing was quick and almost free except for Logistics. As for Burying a container: new lateral requirements that ARE expensive. So if you are building a reinforced concrete retaining wall you should ask yourself "why are I including a restrictive dimension metal box that I now have to ventilate more and insulate to deter the condensation?" While you are away the lead based paint will start peeling off the walls and the chemicals will leech into the air and without active humidity control that floor will mold. Watch my Expert advice on ICFs video. As for speed building, I am sure you like I have been watching "Contained Living" for the last 2.5 years. And they are almost half way done. Tell me more about your build. Be blessed

[@droyal1975]

I have seen several shops / living spaces where the storage containers were placed slightly apart with an A frame spanning/connecting the two. The sides were cut out of the facing sides, and everything was supported by timber framing. Spray foam and siding were applied, and the result was a nice cool space for much less than a stick built house. The owners did most of the work themselves, but the result was impressive for the price point.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

In many posts I have detailed how we built barns(2) spanning the distance between 2 Reefer Rail cars with trusses. But we didn't live in them. I just had a nice house build of SIPs and Timber Frame go to stick built because the Timber Frame cost 3 times more. In the example you gave they did timber framing, spray foam and siding again All the right things. But they had to work around the confinements of the containers and still took the time and effort to cut out all that metal(almost half of the containers). Cutting is not easy, or cheap and then you have all that waste. Are you telling me these people couldn't have framed up four walls faster than the delivery wait, crane moving, metal cutting, for less money? 2x6 studs cost $5.54 and 10'ers cost $7.12. You would need 12- 10'ers($86), and 76-8'($421). Framed 24"OC that's just $507. That's less than the delivery fee of the containers! If People keep thinking like that Bernie Sanders is going to be King. Sorry, but there is a better way if you want it.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@cshaffer2904]

What do you suggest building with? It seems you talk yourself out of every option

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Each video in this series responds to the previous, moving forward into the Modern Cabin Plans 1-4 we describe our options. Let me know if you have any questions. Be Blessed

[@cshaffer2904]

I think I'm catching up. The structural insulated panels? Are they diy cspable? I will try to research. I like the information. I'm in a location I love with a very old house in need of a lot of repair, and I'm balancing remodel or try some modern material remake. I would like to be able to do it myself thought too

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@cshaffer2904 DIY SIPs: Yes, a 4x8 6.5" panel weighs 200lb but you don't ever pick up that weight, You can see me slide them in the vid by myself. Roof panels 8.25" can be 24' long and 500lb so I use a lull, lift, tele handler rental. I use a 4 man crew most times. At the end of the NOT BURN vid those 3 had never seen them before. The truck was unloaded and at 11am we started, by 4pm we had 2 of the walls up for a 1800sft house. I have a vid about SIPs about 4 away. There are a few details that are key, but not too different than stick built, just they show up insulated already. I can Nerd out on this for hours. Ask specifics or share details of your goals. I am interested in other builds and have many other builders come by. Thanks

[@cshaffer2904]

Thank you this is really helpful, I am interested, and will be checking on cost and suppliers to compare with remodel. I really like how quickly the assembly can be and the already insulated part is a great benefit. Keep up the good work

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@cshaffer2904 Don't give an address here, but your location might help. With the EPS companies Primier and R-panel they use local foam companies to make their proprietary specs. They will require builder mods that might include cutting your own windows and doors, splines for connection. They do come cheaper but the savings is consumed by additional materials, tools and site prep. Reduced cost comes with 50% less performance (R-value) The Highest performance is in Urethane foam. The biggest benefit is closed cell is rigid and vapor barrier. Ray Core is the cheapest but comes with needed materials for attachment and like site spray foam the studs include thermal bridging . Other companies like ThermalSpan (Indiana) use a tongue and groove system for install, others use a spline of OSB. In Colorado is ECO SIPs(ICS) Their biggest asset is their designer Nancy. And they use an internal cam system that prevents misalignment and reduces install time by 30% in my experience. They have a sister company in SC but they are going thru a transition right now. KING Span may still be in Dallas. I first worked with their panels in 2007. The panels include the metal roofing panels. ICS is my preference and my greatest amount of experience and with the cost is HUBER(Zip) panels and their warrantee. If you have a rough plan(graph paper or Sketchup) they all give free estimates. Thanks

[@law844]

My parents built an ICF home. So nice. Quiet, comfortable, efficient but expensive.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Pay me now or pay me later. Better to invest in your house than the Utility Company.

[@acme511]

I agree with your assessment. But in my situation in Texas next to my commercial workshop we built a 1280 sqft 2 story home from four 40' high cube containers. I lined them all around the inside with SIPS. All of the windows, and doors are all either covered by the container doors or the cutouts (that form awning when we are there) and close hydrolicly in 40 seconds with remote when we travel. So the biggest reason for our city code it didn't add to property taxes at all saving at least $4500/yr additional savings of $800/yr from my rainwater collection. We are slowly adding solar and will soon be off the grid electrically too.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I know Texas property taxes. My biggest question is if you were using SIPs why did you use the containers? Sounds cool, send pics. Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

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[@timothyhines7845]

Those containers were placed in a perimeter not side by side. Sorry

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Thanks My New Vid "TALK DIRT Y" kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE thanks for watching.

[@n-nencanao9986]

Any way I going to do my house with shipping containers ;)

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Julian, some people do, and some people think it's a good idea to jump off a bridge. When everyone tells them not to and all things show it is not a good idea, they do it anyway. But they had to prove it to themself and now someone has to go pull them out or the water. They did prove they wouldn't listen to the Ugly Truth.

[@n-nencanao9986]

@@ModernMountainLiving you are soo dramatic!! I work in a steel factoy it's easy to me do the work, you yust need to clean the painting and you can use se same material to enforces the structure, this guy don't know nothing about containers, there are stronger and safe that many other material, there are use for sea transport!! Are really strong, and the oxidation can be repaired

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@n-nencanao9986 So if you have access to steel from work why would you not build with some creativity instead of replicating a Shipping(yes we know they go on ships) Container? If you can build anything would you still have just a 8" ceiling? Live a little make it 8"2" like a High TopCube.

[@laurajanes4215]

Gobuilditbetter , Maybe he was going to do that! ..What works for you and your taste might not work for others .

[@Calislav96]

Laura Janes I wanna live in a casket and think it’s a great idea? It suites me👍

[@jimscheltema670]

What did you do to treat any potential chemical pollutants that may have soaked into the flooring? Very helpful video!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

New Vid kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching.

[@jonwarren8757]

All good info unless you need to move the home later. Also good cause you highlight a few of the issues that you either have to mitigate or live with. I’m gonna build a better shipping container home as a result of watching.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Good to hear Jon, the whole point of this channel is to help and encourage the Self/Builder. Be Blessed

[@2MasterBuilder2]

The container's main structure is around it's perimeter. The side walls provide very little rigidity to the structure as a whole. Also, there are containers available without side walls.

[@SegoMan]

Ha a ray of light in the thread of darkness and termite infested stick built houses.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Tony, the corners are what carry the load when stacked on a ship. Sides bear no weight, the floor carries to corners. Thanks

[@2MasterBuilder2]

@@ModernMountainLiving ... Thank you for reiterating what I said.

[@darlenedoyle5087]

so first ,has anyone ever ask you if you are related to the late John Denver? So I"m researching the but and least expensive way to purchase a house. I'm looking at homes for sale right now , however I have a budget. I thought a container home would be stronger ,and I could do most of the work myself. So if your not keen on container home give me some good advise on the best and least expensive way to buy, or what is a good way to go. Thanks.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Darlene, you should see me with round glasses. I get many comments that say "The Govt. can't tell me what to build on my land..." To those I say: Do what you want if you have Unlimited Money, Time, Mental resilience, Ulcer meds and Free Lawyer Services. Sounds like you are more reasonable than that if you have budget in mind. Like you I want the best return for my money, time and efforts. So start by answering what you are allowed to do. Here's my vid on that kzbin.info/www/bejne/r37Tf36OaK15rMU. Climate is always my first question. So buy land where you can get water. Then get out of your Rental and put a camper on land. Most places let you live in camper during your build. You can renew or extend your permit a couple times. We will address more later, till then something to address the self builder for a great outcome is in the vids herekzbin.info/www/bejne/kHq8eJdjhtN9hrs and kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4mZYal3g9yYiK-Xonsulting and kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6isXmidi82cgsk We'll talk soon. Be Blessed

[@cigarmann]

The secret to making a container home viable is the ability to do a lot of the work yourself if you have to contract everything out forget it

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Even going that route you can achieve better success without the space limitations doing a ground up with SIPs or ICFs even stickbuilt. Small is fine, useable space is better. Be Blessed

[@jeffreylonigro1382]

The secret to making a conventional home viable (is) to do a lot of the work yourself if you have to contract everything out forget it.

[@tomfuelery2905]

It's no secret that container homes are trendy but cost about the same to construct as a traditional home.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@jeffreylonigro1382 People devalue their time on a self Build but the cost is equal to what they would have earned doing what they make a living doing.

[@davidbarry8035]

You are knowledgeable, confident, articulate, opinionated and somewhat abrasive. I look forward to watching your other videos.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

To a Fault I know. Not much of a Salesman. Welcome to the team David, thanks to all who have Subscribed it is encouraging!

[@raptorshootingsystems3379]

While building with containers sounds like a low cost solution, once you get beyond a simple design, the costs add up. For example, setting multiple (2,3,4) high cube containers side by side can be done by cutting out the interior walls to form a large space. Set it on concrete piers and do your finish out. However, you will still have to address water proofing, roof drainage, snow loads, insulation because while containers are strong in their intended application, they are still steel and will rust. Remember, in their design use, they get moved and water doesn’t sit. However, many of the more involved designs use the container as a minor component in a total overall structure that uses a lot of conventional building materials. In those designs, was there a cost benefit that out weighed the design limitations? In doing my graduate thesis in construction management, I did a study on the economics of green building and while I was intrigued by using shipping containers as a building material, there were more economical ways to build a high efficiency home. As far as the argument of what to do with old containers, they are steel and can be sold for scrap which is then recycled into new steel. That same recycled steel can be used for light gauge steel framing which typically has 75% recycled content. With that, you can build a conventional design, being sure to create a thermal break, and have a very green home with lots of design potential.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

As a Builder I am always looking for better. I too wanted containers to be a good answer. kzbin.info/www/bejne/an7NgamOnr2fptk covers details for this build series. My findings are that containers are best used as containers as intended. Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@mick2d2]

0:39 "By mixing dirt with semen" That sounds like a herculean task! ;)

[@EdibleObelisk]

i should be building a house from all my efforts.damn i could of build a castle by my age

[@ModernMountainLiving]

number 453, thanks

[@jbossnack]

That's a lot of rammed earth ya got there

[@saulgarza583]

Hahhhaha

[@_someofeverything7972]

Shipping Container Homes Aren't About How Expensive They Are.. It's About Being Different.. I've Seen Some Beautiful Ones In Person I Even Rented One For 3 Months. It Was A Great Experience..

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I think a collection of Container homes for rent would be a successful business. People are definitely interested, and would make a trip to stay in one. It would be great a experience. Different I get it. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@roach7017]

I want to build an underground house for temperature control. I'm considering shipping containers b/c of the structure. I'm assuming it won't deteriorate or get termites if I can figure out a way to control water accumulation. It's that or cement and tires.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I like your thinking but there are many examples of container walls caving in without a lot of additional reinforcement. All underground structures fall victim( bunkers, missile silo, berm house, earth ship) to moisture issues. Please look into ICFs for your goals. Just shot video with a ICF builder. I use them for stem walls. Tell me how it goes. Thanks

[@roach7017]

@@ModernMountainLiving Awesome, thanks for the advice. I definitely want to do it right the first time and honest, experienced, practical information is hard to come by. Definitely something worth checking out.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@roach7017 If you need concrete to to reinforce the containers, save yourself a couple steps. Build the size you want, ICFs are already insulated, don't need forms, you can stack them by yourself, fast and cheap.

[@roach7017]

@@ModernMountainLiving That's funny, I've been researching different non-standard building materials for a few months and I don't think I've come across ICFs yet. But it looks like the best option for what I want to do.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@roach7017 The form is Styrofoam that does need moisture wrap, then above ground exposure needs cement board or metal flashing. Other than that you just have a concrete retaining wall with rebar, is air tight and insulated. There you go, you just put up and poured your structure with the help of a friend on pour day, done in a week. You do have to pour footings first. then pour your slab inside. With no heavy, rented metal forms to pull and return. Until my vid comes out go watch ANNA WHITE, ICF stem wall on his new shop back wall.

[@rangerdavis4016]

This is a hit job done by house builders. By a container fast before house builders buy up all the containers. By 2120 a container will cost 20,0000

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I bought mine 10 years ago for $700. Look in the reply above, the Chambers bought their's for $900. You may be right. We rent ours because they handle the pick up/delivery in the price.

[@rangerdavis4016]

baldor traveler hey brotha, who do you know?

[@rangerdavis4016]

baldor traveler that makes since. Can you suggest a place. I live on the west coast.

[@asdfssdfghgdfy5940]

I mean yeah, with inflation they probavly will cost that much. Seriously though, it's not some fucking conspiracy. I've lived in and helped build portable shipping container houses. They really just aren't all that great. Sure people have built them and it's worked out but there's nothing wrong with pointing out that better alternatives exist.

[@traceyjackson4162]

Such a clever point. It’s the old school okee doke!

[@roncougar1]

This video talked me out of building one. After the reinforcing, studding the walls and rust proofing, it appears to be a fad. I’m sure building one is self rewarding.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Thank you for the kind words. Be Blessed

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@anthonyschenck7076]

I talked with you earlier. I ended up buying 2 of those mobile minis, 10 x 25, that you told me about. They have plenty of room, love the 2 extra feet. Thanks for the tip. We put them side by side and am putting a roof canopy between the two with gravel underneath for covered parking. I'll send you pics when complete.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Sounds awesome.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Welcome back. I just posted "You'll Never Guess where I've Been" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrOqWythLCtsNU

[@danielwolzen3405]

You neglected the fact that any material removed for doors, windows, etc. can be used to reinforce where needed...

[@ModernMountainLiving]

1/8th inch corrugated steel is not a beam replacement. Show me an example of that couldn't be done with less effort, time, expense. Good example: watch those nice kids on life unKontained. Where is the cut out waste? Under the house with the snakes living under it.

[@taiefislam3006]

It's life uncontained with a "C" not a "K" and I would never subscribe to such bs ever btw

[@orion_033]

Your the Scotty Kilmer of builders 😂

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I had to look him up. I’m good with that comparison. He wants to help people from pitfalls and reviels the ugly side no one wants to talk about. Thank you

[@orion_033]

@@ModernMountainLiving haha no worrys buddy

[@AmisCorolla]

so what was the point? what is better solution?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

There is no perfect answer for every build, I would suggest looking into the solution for most of my sites. SIPs go up fast, are the best insulation you can use and are vapor mitigation that won't burn to boot. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHq8eJdjhtN9hrs start here. Be Blessed

[@chriskilgore739]

I disagree with almost everything you said but I respect the opposite point of view so I give a like🤙

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Thanks Chris, are building now?

[@chriskilgore739]

Gobuilditbetter I’m makin the money for it haha, like your vids man🤙

[@timmcfarland833]

I respect your opinion from all of your experience, but I'll keep my shipping container house it's the best for my situation. The cost was less then the traditional way, and more room.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I respect your opinion especially when money is the driving force. Did you get to look at the pinned comment? Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

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[@HAnna1627]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE from Toronto, Ontario, Canada - can you refer me to where i can get smart plans for a small backyard house; i'm not a tradesperson but have always had a passion for design and i can get some skilled trades/handymen friends to help

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Ann, this is the kind of question I love to help with. I am currently in Creede Colorado with no WiFi or cell service. I will be back in civilization in a week and can help then. I have driven 40 miles to sit outside a visitor center for WiFi. I want to leave you with this: SIPs are pre manufactured to any design and are easy to put together with the benefit of of being preinsulated. Look into this company, they know me well. Eco Sips, ICS sips. Figure $11-13 per area sq ft of wall and roof. Be blessed

[@HAnna1627]

@@ModernMountainLiving Wow, thank you for going to the effort to reply while you're away in the wilderness! Will definitely Google Eco Sips and let you know how this goes. Guessing Creede is a safe get away during these COVID times. Thank you for extending blessings; enjoy and be safe

[@BStrambo]

I appreciate the video, though it wasn't explicitly stated the underlying assumption is that a large structure is being built. Yes, the more containers you add the less efficient it becomes. On the small side, a 20' high cube with doors on both ends could be built into a tiny house without removing a single inch of metal and still let in plenty of light (not a family home but great for a college student, single person, ADU etc.). A single 40' container even with some window and door cuts would be a cost effective build, ~$20k in materials including the container. Your approach is what's most important about the video though, don't fall in love with a certain style of building, analyze your wants/needs in conjunction with the environment and factors surrounding your property and zoning and make the best choice instead of forcing a square peg into a round hole.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Brian, we have a brew/ bar in Creede called Square Peg. At 9000’ in the Rockies our main objectives are staying warm in negative 28F, modern design and being able to do all the work myself in a remote area. Glad to say , all is well. Thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

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[@MikeKilo1969]

I lived in a Containerized Housing Unit (CHU) in Iraq and loved it! It was 120 degrees and a mini split controlled the temp just fine. It really began my love of tiny houses and my tiny living journey. I appreciate your opinion and your sense of humor, but more facts and evidence and less showmanship would be appreciated. If you’re going to mention thermal conductivity back it up with evidence and fact. If you’re going to mention available space and roof height be sure to mention ALL of the available sizes of containers (you’re not limited to 8’). Thanks again!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Mike, I appreciate your experience as stated and the way you addressed this. You can see that I have received many comments, you can see where I have addressed your topics if you can stomach the rancid attacks. My 30+ yrs as a builder prepared me for this, but not being able to KZbin. This is my 3rd vid ever so the advice I got was keep it short, don't overload with details, audience engagement is provoked by the details left out, this vid was slightly calculated. This build gave me opportunity to share the order of operation for the self builder. The series addresses the previous vid. While a contractor on Fort Hood from 2001-2004 I was offered an Iraq infrastructure position. Living in a Conex was the provision as was leaving my toddler. Seeing contractors over a bridge the week I was to sign convinced me to stay and be her Dad. Thank you for your experience but it reminds me the conditions provided by the DOD were not energy efficient and are on their dime. Keep watching this Modern Cabin qualifies as upsized tiny living in a big way. Be Blessed

[@MikeKilo1969]

Gobuilditbetter I greatly appreciate your efforts and your experience, but for folks like me who are looking to make the move to tiny living facts are what are needed. I’m not sold on the container homes, but I am intrigued. I think there’s more flexibility in dimensions when building a tiny house, albeit not a great deal of flexibility. But after 24 years in Army moving every 3-5 years and as a future empty nester, I can’t see myself in a traditional brick and mortar during retirement. I want the flexibility to move as my daughter moves, but the comfort of something more than an RV. Again, thanks for making the effort, I’ll continue to watch your progress. Good luck!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@MikeKilo1969 if you will you can help me out. You have a photo of a river on top of your channel. How did you do that? When I click to ad a photo it responds saying I can't. From what you have said here is a topic to look into: they may not be accepted at RV parks but Ever consider making a 53' reefer (insulated) a residence? Easier to modify for windows, easier to move readily and more room than a Tiny on a Trailer. Most say they want Tiny for mobility, but after investing $60k they now need an F-350 investment to move it. I burned up my F-250 on a couple 10,000' passes in Colorado pulling 11,000+lb on my 30' gooseneck. I share that because most tiny come in at 11-14k. That Tiny couple that runs around a lot say they max at 50mph. You can dispatch you Semi anywhere. Just my thoughts.

[@MikeKilo1969]

Gobuilditbetter Your icon picture is set through your gmail account, not KZbin. Easy peasy. My plan wasn’t to use an RV park for exactly the reason you cited. My plan was to buy rural land, but even if I went with a container I’d still have to have property to lay a slab, run utilities, and emplace the home. Container or tiny house the drill would be the same, to the best of my knowledge. That being said, yes I’ve looked into a 53’ high top as my preferred container which is why in my comment I mentioned your prison cell remark. I would have to research the cost of moving a 53’ trailer vs a 40’. Thanks for the idea!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@MikeKilo1969 Thanks

[@boxwoodgreen]

I've had a lot of interest in monolithic dome houses. Have you ever looked into them ? Monolithic, and then add the dotcom.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Are you talking about the place next to I-35E south of Dallas. If so Yes for the last 20+ years I have enjoyed watching their progress.

[@boxwoodgreen]

​@@ModernMountainLiving Yes that's right. Italy, Texas. I checked it out on Google Earth to be sure. I bought their E-book manual long ago. A very interesting build. I'm surprised it hasn't spread further as a hardened, energy efficient design. Am I missing something ?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@boxwoodgreen My gut is that remodeling would for one be difficult but also ruin the look.

[@Malala1974]

People who talk about houses often don’t mention about the most important room in your entire house which is your toilet. Or I should say, your bathroom. God forbid, if you become homeless, you will quickly find this to be true.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Yep, I earned more homeless credit in my 20's that gave me a voice. A shower was a humbling daily reminder that there is a better way, that lead my pursuit to Go Build It Better and share. Be Blessed

[@stephaniealami399]

I lived in an old rusted trailer home when I was a kid. The thin metal siding would rust unless painted every couple of years and if there was insulation, I couldn't tell because the heat transferred through the metal and felt like I was getting boiled in a can. The windows would also fog up which is a sign of poor heat transfer. Mold, mildew. Animals getting under the skirting. Oh the memories.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I lived alone my senior HS year in that same trailer.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

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[@docjody8624]

What are alternatives-- esp. what's best building material for Florida Panhandle if shipping containers are out?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I know you are not in Dade County, that is one of only 2 counties I have to take an additional test to get a GC license. I say that because I don't know all the Code for Hurricane Proofing and that would apply to your area. From what I do know and since you are already one that is researching for a Better building solution, I am offering you look into ICF construction. These I do use and recommend for ease of use by owner/builders, bullet proof, and fast assembly(vid coming up). Let me know how it goes. Thanks

[@docjody8624]

@@ModernMountainLiving all I can say: you're ANGELIC. We have local ICF suppliers, who I'll visit tomorrow. 1/ Roughly: Cost to build 900-sq.ft. ICF house (guesstimate!) if I provide a good bit of labor? 2/ Where do I start toward getting my General Contractor's License? Again, thanks a TON! Wow.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@docjody8624 Each ICF manufacturer has their own diminsions, quirks etc. My recommendation is to use what is locally easy to source. I did one job that I saved about 5% for that brand but I drove to 4 locations to pick up all the blocks, waited for my order to be returned when half went with another contractor's order. A real Pain, shop Local. No matter who you use this will help you with an estimate on blocks required, costs, how much rebar and concrete needed. Apply that to your local Concrete Price per Yard. Concrete prices change a little in Winter here. www.foxblocks.com ICF Cost Estimator Talk with your local Build Dept. for required concrete thickness. They may have some recommendations for you. Brace Rental, concrete strength required... Ask if A SIPs Roof can be incorporated with your ICF walls. This is a fast, owner/ easy system that is super energy efficient. The biggest savings should be from the low Subcontractor requirement, and if you use a construction loan will greatly reduce the term to convert to a low mortgage rate. Time is Money. Most areas don't require a Owner Builder to be licensesed. Tell me how it goes. Be Blessed

[@AllThingsRamdom]

You don't have to cut shipping containers open and put them together if you wanted a full open side container you can buy open side containers and butt them up together. Because of how they're made this eliminates the need to reinforce the roof.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Yes, you are correct I tried to address this as most people would experience what is most available. Thanks

[@leobadajos1008]

When you think your way is the best way, then there's no other way.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

When you are building your little piece of heaven, it should be your little piece of heaven.

[@arkpark1899]

Great advice , many thanks

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Thank you. This wasn't meant to be mean, just an example of the decisions we went thru before building our own cabin. Be Blessed

[@oneeyemonster3262]

it just depends...where you're building it at...In an EQ or Tornado zone...I'll feel safer in a metal structure...than wood and drywall anyday... but it would be hella to hot..(where I live) the Sun hitting the metal. Plus I used to BIG rooms....Just my Bed room alone is double wide those container x 15 ft.lol My GF will probably need 2 ea containers just for her walk in closet and bath room.lol

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I hear you loud and clear, I could have a bed in a huge shop, my wife could live in a huge bath/closet combo. But her’s has to be warm. For a comfortable, bullet proof build look into ICF construction. Be Blessed

[@sjr7822]

I was waiting for the punch line 'the perfect shelter'

[@ModernMountainLiving]

SIPs

[@sjr7822]

@@ModernMountainLiving Structural Insulated Panels?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@sjr7822 watch "House that will not Burn" vid in the series as we build this Modern Cabin. Thanks

[@sjr7822]

@@ModernMountainLiving Will do, thank you

[@ya3494]

container houses more expensive than brick wall houses?

[@ashzole]

Here are some pro’s about Shipping Containers. Also, there are different quality containers, keep that in mind. shipping containers: 1. almost bullet proof, add 1/2 inch plate to weak areas to make gatling gun proof 2. hurricane proof and tornado virtually proof when stacked 3. can make them water and air tight 4. thermal imaging can’t see through containers 5. bulldozer can not easliy run through a container 6. when sealed strong and tight , an earth quake or tornado can not scatter your belonging , everything in the container will remain 7. adding an extension to your house could take more than a month to construct , adding a container , one day with all the benefits above 8. it is not a con if you have to make modifications to a container for different layouts and designs . 9. every complaint you make against containers can be solved , you make an argument based on 1 container , for example containers are cramped , well you add another container and open it up, which is exactly what people do 10. shipping containers are designed that way because look what they go through when traveling around the world in almost every bad element of weather 11. don’t like the way your house is facing , you can’t turn a house 15 degrees but a container you can in one day 12. Termite resident 13. cakewalk by wrapping your container , improving insulation. wrap it twice or three times and minimal insulation and framing extremely reduced. 14. You do not always have to use steel when you reduce the containers integrity. Double up on boards . The shipping container on ships experience 100x more stress then it does when it just sitting in the ground. So depending on what you modified ,the integrity is a mute point. I have 3 pages of pro for containers. I’ll slow post them if anyone chooses to tell me the negatives.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I see you have put some thought to this, nice. I see you have a cool looking bengal cat. We like those. But I didn't see the shipping container house you live in to see how you built it. It is good that you built it before the price went from $2700 to over $10,000 for a retired 8' x 40'. Crazy how steel prices like that 1/2" plate have gone through the roof. Seems good you weighed yours down since they only weigh 8800lb compared to a single wide that weighs 24,000lb and get tossed around like tissue in tornados. How much does yours weigh now? Send pics. Be Blessed

[@ashzole]

@@ModernMountainLiving I never said I lived in a container. I just recognize the advantages it has. You should know at your age: When it comes to construction, Every problem has a solution. 14. Remove the top of the container and make a pool. What were the disadvantage of containers?

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@ashzole Not sure that age has much to do with decisions but experience might. My goal here is that those that don't have 22 years and 350 builds behind them can benefit from what I have lived. If I can save anyone from the mistakes I have learned from my time here on earth it worked. So the short answer to your disadvantages question is: if your goal can be accomplished for less time, less money, easier to complete and let you live more comfortably, then I highly recommend it. Comfortable consistent temperatures in a living space require Insulation. Steel is a terrible insulator, only bested(worse) by copper and gold as a conductor of thermal bridging. Other than saying you did it the hard way( which I have been known to do) it doesn't serve anyone any good. Example: purchase a container then pay a specialist to move it and set it for you. Frame it from the inside which is harder in confinement so you can hide your MEPs, like you said wrap it with insulation several times(Code is R19 walls, Roof R49), now to protect the insulation from moisture and degradation you need to cover it with siding. But to have a structure to secure the siding you now have to frame the outside. What you now have is interior walls, container, insulation, framing, siding and layers trap moisture(vapor) and moisture rots everything back into the Earth. So you framed it twice, two layers of siding and created a moisture trap that is still a cramped space to live in. Or, save by handling the logistics and materials yourself, Frame it the size you want, siding, insulation inside and move on. That's just the way a builder that wants to stay in business would Go Build It Better. Take note that most every Building Dept require a permit and inspect that the structure is secured to a fixed foundation. In my "How to Build a House by Yourself-Permit process" vid I inquired what we COULD build and containers were mentioned. But if I can steer you in the direction I build to accomplish what was stated earlier watch the "House that Will Not Burn" vid( I use Urethane SIPs). More on SIPs at the end of the "Your Private Idahome" consulting vid I did for Good Simple Living. They didn't use all my recommendations, but I counted 11 points they did besides the foundation recommendation the previous year that saved them days, labor and thousands of dollars. You are a thinker, it'll make sense. Thanks

[@geographyinaction7814]

You have to love bureaucracy, you can't do this, you can't do that. Things change, our values, needs, and priorities change over time, as does technology, materials, and methods. The hatred against tiny homes is silly, no foundation, and too small! Sorry, that describes most trailer park mobile homes, and they're legal! The problem lies not in the legislation or code, but in the ability, or lack thereof, of a willingness to change, to look at new ideas, and accept that there may just be a better way. I think that shipping containers can be viable, and there are plenty of examples worldwide, of course, climate zones, and other considerations change as we look at different geographical locales.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

Mobile homes can be horribly inefficient, look at it this way: Tiny homes don't bring in enough taxes based on square footage where Trailers do.

[@InfernosReaper]

Trailers may be *legal* but a lot of places try to run them out of town in the hopes of getting stuff that's worth more built on that land. My city did that and, well, those spaces are just vacant lots now, so they lost a good bit of money as result. As for a tiny house, you can build a wood one on posts buried into the ground and that's legally a foundation. A shipping container would be easier to do on a concrete slab, because of the weight, with anchor points to make sure it stays in place(more for posterity than necessity). At that point, it's a size thing, such as the 100sq ft minimum bedroom space. In most homes, that's 10x10 or similar space. Why does anyone actually need a bedroom that big? A full-sized bed is only about 4.5x6.5 feet, while a twin is about 3.5x6.5 feet. A room with a twin bed that you basically only sleep in could easily just be around 50sq ft and be fine, depending on the layout. Most people can do fine on a twin and most couples can get by on a full. If both are obese, then a queen-size might be in order. That's about 5x7. It's still not big enough to justify 100sq ft, more like 70sq ft at a 7x10 room.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@InfernosReaper So I also build Luxury apartments that have to comply with ICC code and ADA for room size. As for Container on slab, DWV is already tough. WE do have a slew of trailers here in town from the 60' that were used for miner housing when the mines were open. Some have $700mo electric bills and burn 10-12 cord of wood a winter($2500). My electric bill is $115-148a month. Funny is people won't spend $500 for insulation that will pay for itself in a month.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@ModernMountainLiving]

@@InfernosReaper New Vid "Talk Dirt y " kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6Uh2ynp6Z5pdE Thanks for watching!

[@floydforever5151]

I kept waiting for the alternative at the end, you know the good house.

[@ModernMountainLiving]

As the series progresses with the build order of operations I do detail specs as we go. Until I get to the walls going up watch the "House that will not Burn" and "Modern Cabin Plans" vids for a sneak peek. I enjoy the questions, Thanks

[@ZoltarSoulFunk]

Regarding your issue with insulation, you can fill the corrugations on the inside AND out, to get uniform effect and maintain maximum space inside

[@ModernMountainLiving]

I’m with you, and have addressed several times previously. The bullet points on the subject is you lost the best part of a container build is the look. Other point is you now have to put siding over the outer insulation adding to the condensation issue, rusting the metal box, adding more expense and back to that build it twice problem for the time, budget issue. Have to insulate to be comfortable. Thanks