Shocking Blue Venus vs The Big 3 The Banjo Song

[@SetantaCovenant]

Undeniable! It's the same song - just different words.

[@TheStraatjutter]

Eh , some elements are shuffled around too. It's all the best parts. These days we'd call it a remix and they'd use a sample.

[@federicomayol8929]

I Don't think so, if it was a copy, Venus is better than the original

[@viktorkarloznavarronchavar4894]

Una verdadera sorpresa que este tema no era original de los Schohing gracias amigo coleccionista.

[@PaWeLLer1984]

Но факт остается фактом, что не будь переработки Shocking Blue, то не было бы разговоров и об оригинале. А Shocking Blue сделали именно переработку, а не тупо переиграли, сделали из сырого материала хит мировой величины. А ещё записали в оригинальном составе с 1969 по 1971 годы три прекрасных альбома, такие их оригинальные песни, как "Never Marry A Railroad Man" и "Daemon Lover" ни в чем не уступают, а объективно превосходят их первую творческую победу...

[@владимирвасильев-к5э]

..."ювгений унегин" (ремикс,почти пушкин")...

[@TheISEBERG]

@@владимирвасильев-к5э А кто этих весьма безголосых из "большой тройки" или того хлеще больших Trees- дубов-деревьев знает? А почему забыли? Послушаешь 1 раз- завянут ушки и все поймешь! "Венера" "Шокингов" "сшибла с копыт" и Европу и Америку и Японию ит.д. вплоть до СССР! И никто, ни один критик, ни один член жюри, которое обнародовало данные хит-парадов не заикнулись о каком-то якобы плагиате. А ведь это было тогда, когда "большая тройка" могла и иск подать и высказаться громко! Но почему-то ничего не сказала в свою защиту! Потому, что нечего было говорить. Если на то пошло, то многие современные металл- группы поют зачастую "одну длиннющую песню"! Причем очень похожую на "других". А тексты про разных "героев"- и подавно как под копирку.

[@mr.freemind1837]

The song 'The Banjo Song' by the trio The Big 3 (1963), in turn, has similar lyrics to the American work song 'Oh! Susanna 'by Stephen Foster 1848.

[@PAULLONDEN]

🪕Because it was about a banjo ???🪕

[@beanboy1632]

But Oh Susanna is in a major key

[@3366larryandrews]

I agree with your thinking. Even some of the same or similar lyrics. That seems the intent to me, what makes it recognizable and popular.

[@BluesmanDizzy]

Shocking !

[@biserkasertic1208]

.....Blue 😜

[@cameronduff884]

...how NOT to train your dog...

[@azermemmedov916]

Шедевр !

[@SrBsUrala]

The Big 3 The Banjo Song - TOP!

[@owenlewis8006]

Yes it's a copy for sure- they'd have been sued these days- but Venus is still a great track

[@hollandmeester2451]

+owen lewis Not a copy. A complete different sound. I prefer Venus and hot Mariska

[@alexandershirshin-47vyborg]

To Dutch (no doubt, you like more dutch) Writing "I prefer" you meant obviously primitive sexuality and primitive arrangement of a melody. It's easier to aquire by ignorant mind.

[@keithkirk8697]

Even in those days they knew about plagiarism and lawsuits. They definitely could have got damages or composer credits - compare the story of Chuck Berry (Sweet Little Sixteen) and Brian Wilson (Surfin' USA) and that was hardly the first. Stole not only the melody but the whole intro. Cass had other problems by that time but wonder why the other two guys did nothing. Seems unlikely that they never heard it.

[@juliomejia6644]

La diferencia es aparte de la letra el tiempo la Electronica etc,no es simple comparacion ,shocking blue hizo arreglos con los riginales antes del lanzamiento de la cancion

[@darktrainer-v4x]

I don't know why nobody mentions the trait d'union between the two: I'm free, The Who (1968)

[@TheDiscoLux]

редко когда лучше оригинала сыграют, споют. тут именно все наоборот. молодцы.

[@RusSibNsk]

На вкус и цвет... Мне оригинал нравится больше. )))

[@RuslanAE]

Это разные музыкальные эпохи, совсем разные стили музыки. Как-то некорректно их сравнивать, просто дело вкуса. Кстати, композиция от The Big 3 тоже является "кавером" от песни 19 века "Oh, Susanna".

[@eatthedots]

Copy or not, Venus and most of Shocking Blue's discography are excellent! Its a shame or perhaps a blessing, more people don't know about them. Mariska Veres had some voice!!!

[@MartyFarty1981]

Just listen to "Deamon Lover" by Shocking Blue, written by Robbie van Leeuwen.

[@cameronduff884]

I can dig what you are saying but Cass Eliot had a incredible voice as well, sometimes I wish Robbie van Leeuwen had re written the lyrics to the song "Hey Joe ".

[@lisalindsey277]

I thought "The Banjo Song" came from Stephen Foster's "Oh Susanna." Public domain. So I guess it's up for grabs.

[@9xiamme6]

The music was written by Tim Rose

[@waycnf7229]

Wouldn't be surprised if this was a coincidence

[@POKEMONOJEFF]

holy shit and thought jimmy page was a master song theif ! way to go robbie ! you out did john walker brothers this time ! good fer you !

[@3366larryandrews]

I wonder if there were any royalties paid to The Big 3? Seems that the lead in Shocking Blue hails from the same ilk as The Big 3 and their use of classical guitar.

[@Sergei_Riabuha]

Оранжировка - это всё.

[@milesfolley5813]

Maybe the melody...maybe...but the progressions are VERY COMMON in Blues songs...

[@saemikneu]

yes, but Robby Van Leeuwen agreed hearing the song by "The Big Three"

[@PAULLONDEN]

This seemed hardly the regular four bar blues progression. But very much a (Big Three)song in its own right . Doesn't antimatter , Shocking Blue made a boring tune from the Big Three in something very special. Who probably did a fair bit of barrowing themselves.

[@wa0000]

The chord progression of both of these songs is very different from any blues I'm aware of. For 'Venus', at least, the verse chords are from the Dorian mode: Em (Im) and A (IV), neither of which are the dominant 7th chords we hear in the blues. There's such a thing as minor blues, but in that case the chords would be Im and IVm. 'Venus' is in E Dorian, except for a brief modulation to A Dorian in the chorus. Dorian mode: 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7. Natural minor (Aeolian mode): 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7. The Dorian mode's natural 6 is why the IV chord in Venus is A (a c# e) rather than Am (a c e). The Dorian mode's flat 3 is why the I chord (Em) is minor, and why the song's tonality is minor.

[@cbx3323]

Bon Jovi then stole the vocal line from Venus and created Livin' on a Prayer.

[@Rekko82]

The Big 3 song sounds like almost every Wild wild song of 1800's, so they didn't have any rights for the chord progression. The lyrics are different. You cannot sue if Shocking Blues' vocalist sings sometimes in similar way. Neither can Donna Summer sue all the 80's pop artists, Kylie and MJ especially. Next we see how similar Lady Gaga's bad Romance is to CCR's "Have You Ever Seen the Rain" or Bob Dylan's "Blowing in the Wind". Maybe we could hear how Metallica sounds like Diamond Head too... People like the same melody and the beat. And yes, we want the lyrics to be about sex. And we hope that vocalist is singing to us.

[@alexjack4812]

hahahahahahaha

[@billsmith8853]

I know which one is better.

[@SteverenoOFFICIAL]

1. There were lawyers back in 1970, if there was a case it would have been filed. 2. The 10 second opening guitar hook in Venus is killer, and it's Leeuwen's

[@cameronduff884]

...sounds like ACOUSTIC guitar to me and I wouldn't be surprised if it were a session musician...

[@stephendoriankutos4429]

Actually that's also stolen from Pinball Wizard from the Who, so....

[@SteverenoOFFICIAL]

@stephendoriankutos4429 I disagree with the idea it is "stolen." There are similarities, but I'd put it as influence if anything. Again, there were lawyers in 1970, so...agree to disagree. I think we can at least agree "Stephen" with a "ph" is the correct spelling. My screename has a 'v', but I am a "Stephen" as well

[@stephendoriankutos4429]

@@SteverenoOFFICIAL Agreed about the spelling of Stephen! To your point about lawyers, that's true, but you have to keep in mind Tim Rose, who had a lot of things stolen from him over the years, did not have the finances to hire a lawyer to fight this case. He wanted to sue, but just couldn't afford the lengthy and expensive process, and none of his record labels were willing to foot the bill. As to the opening acoustic strumming riff, I would've agreed about it being an influence, if not for a few things. One, it's verbatim the Pinball Wizard riff. Two Leeuwen was in a group before Shocking Blue called The Motions, and they were one of the best Who-copycat bands of the 60's, even recreating the My Generation album cover for one of their singles. And three, Leeuwen has stated in interviews that he copped it from Pinball Wizard. I don't think he's admitted to stealing the melody and riff from The Big Three's Banjo song, but it's clear that's were it came from. Tim Rose later in the 90's actually had one of his songs stolen by Nick Cave, who was a friend and played with him at a couple of shows as a big fan. Tim was shocked since he thought they were friends, or so he thought.

[@Yuri-mq6eb]

The Banjo Song is man style ...the Venus...it's for women 😁

[@happyolddude]

A pure and unadulterated rip off! That is all one could say!

[@cruzdaniels]

Similar note/chord progression, but the rhythm and tempo are not the same.

Who could deny? Unless you are a brain dead piece of genetically modified shat.

[@milesfolley5813]

Lmao, you mad?

[@jimenacontreras4823]

Plagio

[@carloseidilene]

Are not similar, the Banjo Song 1963 is ugly, other Shocking Blue of 1969 is beautiful ....

You're the wart on the ass of a cancerous mule.

[@cameronduff884]

...good point, I also noticed a connection with the Beatles, they made their American debut in the wake of the JFK assassination when America was ready for change, then when the Beatles broke up there was the same reaction.....timing is everything...

[@Zeliboba]

Немножко похоже, но плагиата нет совсем! Совсем разные песни

[@владимирвасильев-к5э]

...100%плагиат,а может покупка авторского права...

[@ВладимирКатульский]

У вас совсем слуха нет...

[@Sergei_Riabuha]

Оранжировка - это всё.

[@Sergei_Riabuha]

Оранжировка - это всё.