Shogun's Seppuku Explained: What Happened To The Baby

Shogun's Seppuku Explained: What Happened To The Baby
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[@overthewebb]

The baby got killed, that is what happened

[@creeperkinglp9471]

Bro for honor its normal for a samurai

[@eddscall]

Better to Die as a baby than live in the world of this Era

[@benvad9010]

Vile culture killing babies.

[@alphagerudo6242]

​@@eddscalltruest statement ever made mister

[@boxtears]

Went to the baby farm, where all the babies can run around and roam free and happy.

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

You mean a private island?

[@Lo54Lo]

Hey my dogs all went there when I was young!

[@khanhlam882]

Tadayoshi: "I ask permission to commit seppuku, and permission for my baby to commit sudoku." :)

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

The boiling was plenty of times worse than what the baby experienced.

[@CoffeeFiend1]

It creeps me out how so many people like Yabsushiges character after he ordered that. He's like a fan favorite at the moment bit of a "bad boy anti-hero" in the same way Jamie Lannister was in Game of Thrones. He literally tortured a random prisoner to death, someone who literally shipwrecked on their coast and they didn't even know the motives of. It's sick what kinds of things people can look past and how shows can get people to empathize with sadists. Like I like his portrayal as in his actor creates a very believable character but I abhor that character, which is again a credit to the writing and acting.

[@karmasauce6288]

@@CoffeeFiend1He reminds me to a small extent of Ramsey Bolton.

[@ArtBellJr]

The poem was Epic and settled me down after the boiling scene.

[@TravellerTinker]

​@@CoffeeFiend1its the same with jaime lannister when he threw a little boy out of the window and people still liked him

[@PossessedbyPhoenix]

@@TravellerTinker People sure like Jaime 10 X more than Bran, that's for sure. According to how things developed it was all fate, anyways.

[@edithjarvisfriday]

Committed an offense and wanted to wipe clean. West: Oh father forgive me for I have sinned. East: Seppuku.

[@luckyrockmore2796]

Had to explain this to my mother as we watched this, she just couldn't fathom why

[@Zlarel]

"Japan, bitch!"

[@mikoyb.1291]

To end the bloodline coz the baby's father fcked up

[@justchilling704]

@@UserUser-zc6fxFacts.

[@Stompnado]

killing a baby for such a stupid reason, these people are crazy bruh

[@sherwinobenza4531]

Its tradition and law..

[@TheBravery767]

@@sherwinobenza4531 Doesn't justify how mind bogglingly stupid any form of ritualist suicide is. Any sane culture would simply kill person who caused the disrespect regardless of if it would cost that family their "honor". The fact that they allowed extensively trained, high cost aviators to commit kamikaze as if it had honor was even more mind boggling and a big part of why the island invasion's went as well as it did for the US. Their code of honor was incredibly short sighted and pompous.

[@GreenPups-ql8zz]

@@TheBravery767 doesnt justify???? lol have you read and watched other older civilizations do this for bullsh*t religion, power succession, and sorcery? Egyptians, Aztecs, Genghis khan, Chinese dynasty? LOL. sometimes use your head than your ass!

[@kokos1209]

@@sherwinobenza4531Just because it’s tradition and law doesn’t mean it’s right or normal. Some people had to make it a tradition, that tradition didnt just spawn into the world as the natural law or smth. These people were, in fact, crazy. It’s a murder. Even worse, a murder of your own family.

[@DSunnyGaming]

@@kokos1209 laws and tradition that were common 2000 years ago, or even 100 years ago change. people change. what is okay before is no longer okay now. for us future souls to judge the past souls is a waste of time. to even use a part of your brain to think about such things is in fact a waste of time. to say what is right in the present is completely pointless as we the future did not live in the past. not saying you are right or wrong, but really no need to say something like racism is wrong in the 1800s when it was normal, and if you were born in that period of time you would probably think it was normal.

[@miliba]

What if they made the baby disappear. For example donating it to a monastery and have its lineage officially renounced

[@philipm5043]

This ain't game of thrones lmao

[@CoffeeFiend1]

@@philipm5043 "This ain't Game of Thrones lmao" what is this even supposed to mean? It's something that happened historically in many parts of the world. Game of Thrones even has it's own version with sending cut blood-lines on the male side to the Watch, it's also heavily based on real history. So it doesn't really do anything for or against Miliba's point does it?

[@dewulfe9913]

@@philipm5043 ... actually, I think maybe what you wanted to say was, like in Game of Thrones.... "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention..." ...

[@krdiaz8026]

Seppuku is actually an honorable act (from their perspective) and being denied to do it even if there is a reason to do it is a major slap in the face. These people were not Christian and did not think like modern people do who have been deeply influenced by Christian ideas on the value of human beings. Even in the 20th century, some Japanese still adhered to the old codes of conduct. I remember reading about an official who had directly served Hirohito, and when that emperor died, he (the official) committed suicide as an act of loyalty to the emperor. His wife also committed suicide as an act of loyalty to her husband. Hirohito had died in 1989, so this act of loyalty was not applauded by the majority of the Japanese. Anyway, the monastery would be dishonored by adopting a member of a dishonored family, and they would not accept the baby. Also, once the baby grows up and learns who he really is, he would feel dishonored that he was not killed. I hope this explains things.

[@toxichammertoe8696]

Thats a CHRISTIAN way of handling it. These were definitely NOT Christians

[@gemmajoseph3590]

I get the importance of honour as defined in the samurai code but why did an innocence infant have to die? The baby is a baby the father spoke out of turn at a delicate meeting. The seppbuku on a baby is too much.

[@jenscamilo]

the samurai father offers to end his line and off course his baby son have his last name.

[@BlackDub21]

The sins of the father, the sins of the son

[@Deymetrey]

the son would have suffered either way

[@erorpro]

True it's just sad . Even seppuku was bad, it was no honor. People understood that later after World War 2. Taking a life in general is wrong. If a samurai would give his life in order to save another that's honor. Many lives were wasted before people understood.

[@JamieLannyster]

Because the samurai bro fucked up big time by insulting a different lord and breached massive etiquette by trying to draw his sword during that meeting. If his master didn't accept it, it would've been an open declaration of war against the other regents.

[@angelabestauti]

Still crying about that infant😭poor baby

[@swatzinatorhanselhoff7858]

Im glad i exist in a more enlightened age than 1600s

[@caink9142]

There is also islam

[@catrain7656]

I thought that I would also offer my child's life because I felt sorry for living as a "Usami's child" later, or that I avenged my father and tried not to commit a rebellion against the monarch.

[@rawrsince718]

There was usually another swordsman present to behead them, so as to not prolong the agony.

[@ninjaboninjabanana]

Or to make sure they actually went through with it.

[@kaioser]

Yes it was called akashaikunin, but they had to be master swordsman to strike the neck with enough force yet enough restraint to leave it attached, or they risked disgracing themselves?

[@shingovlog9270]

なぜ赤ん坊が死ななければいけなかったのかについては、今回の場合は「家の汚名を返上するため」だと思います。理解できないかもしれませんが、この頃は命よりも家や上司への忠誠が大切とされた時代です。上司に恥をかかせ修正が困難でどうしようもなかった場合、切腹によって汚名返上をした。今の日本人には理解できない社会ですね。

[@MuhammadRidwan-pe7ny]

感謝します日本人さん, でも英語で説明いただけませんか。みんなの外国人のために

[@shingovlog9270]

@@MuhammadRidwan-pe7ny In this case, the reason why the baby had to die was to "redeem the family's honor." It may be hard to understand, but during this time, loyalty to one's family and superiors was considered more important than life itself. If someone brought shame upon their superiors and the situation couldn't be rectified, they would perform seppuku to redeem their honor. It's a societal norm that may be difficult for modern-day Japanese people to comprehend.

[@ameerahradhi6074]

Episode 1 was hard for me The infant death And burning man alive Still I have to watch This is real world and it is ugly truth

[@mitchwerbell4679]

The man was boiled alive, not burned alive. Much more cruel because smoke asphyxiation isn't taking him out early.

[@ameerahradhi6074]

@@mitchwerbell4679 Thanks for clarification Iam up to episodes 2 and 3 Are there any other nightmares provoking scenes?

[@mitchwerbell4679]

@@ameerahradhi60742 and 3 were pretty painless.

[@mizututi]

Christians tortured and massacred countless people.

[@joshy1234_5]

im just waiting to my cosmo jarvis 🥺 i love him so much he is a good actor

[@marcorono3783]

It was a lot worse in the book. He was not allowed to commit Sepuku but instead crucified at an eta village and the baby ordered buried there as well. “Your swords will be broken and buried in the eta village. Your son will be buried in the eta village. You head will be put on a spike for all the population to jeer at with a sign on it: ‘This man was born samurai by mistake. His name has ceased to be!’”

[@riccarrasquilla379]

thanks for the video

[@Recapify]

Glad, You Enjoyed it

[@notapplicable-zn9us]

Before there was a John Blackthorne, Hatamoto, in feudal Japan there was the Samurai Yasuke. Yasuke, born in Mozambique, was a former slave who gained employment as a bodyguard to an Italian jesuit missionary. They traveled to Japan in 1579 where Yasuke lietrally beame a celebraty with his social charm and stature. Eventually Yasuke gained employment as a sword bearer for the Daimyo. I believe Yasuke story will make an awesome movie.

[@user-si6fd6lw6e]

Even during the turbulent period of the Sengoku period(the Warring States period), there was order. Not everyone can become a samurai easily. William Adams, who was the model for John Blackthorne, was able to quickly become a Hatamoto(direct vassal of the shogun) because he had a wealth of practical knowledge and extensive experience. Yasuke served Oda Nobunaga (who was Hideyoshi's lord), who was full of curiosity, but he seems to have had a very low status as a samurai. It is said that when Nobunaga was killed in the rebellion of his vassal Akechi Mitsuhide (1582), he was sent to Nanbanji(Christian churches built to propagate Christianity in the latter half of the 16th century), but what happened to Yasuke after that is unknown. Therefore, a story about such a character would have to ignore facts much more than "Shogun'', and if it wasn't made into an otherworldly fantasy like a manga or anime, it would be a terrible movie.

[@notapplicable-zn9us]

@@user-si6fd6lw6e For Yasuke to be a bodyguard for the Italian jesuit missionary means he must have some fighting skills; which Yasuke was probably able to translate to Japanese sword fighting. His mysterious disappearance, as you suggest, only adds to an intriguing movie ending

[@user-si6fd6lw6e]

@@notapplicable-zn9us 様(sama) It's not that he disappeared mysteriously, but that there are simply no records of him since then. In other words, he was no longer interested. Even he was a "Jesuit missionary bodyguard'' doesn't mean he can wield a Japanese sword well. Being a samurai is difficult because he has to be able to use other weapons (bows, spears, etc.) and martial arts to some extent. In order to get promoted, it is also necessary to study and have a good education. A feudal lord's "sword bearer'' was a job carried out by 小姓(kosho) -young boys (about junior high school students today) who were selected from among the vassals of a fairly high-ranking family and were truly reliable. This is one of the odd jobs, therefore, it is completely strange that Yasuke did such a job.

[@giveyograndpaahug3153]

​@@notapplicable-zn9us you just got schooled. This is about Japan not about you guys

[@notapplicable-zn9us]

@@giveyograndpaahug3153 You need to chill; there is no need for Japanese nationalism in this discussion. The discussion is about creating a "Samurai Yasuke" movie on the level of Marvel movies like Black Panther, Iron Man or Captain America that everyone regardless of their nationality can enjoy

[@user-si6fd6lw6e]

It's troubling that there are people who think scenes like this are true. This is complete fiction and absolutely not happen. Giving top priority to the continuing of the "family'' is a Japanese way of thinking that has remained even into modern times. If there is no male old enough to be recognized as the heir, the family will be discontinued, so it is meaningless to kill the baby.

[@JacobAndJamal]

I thought the Japanese leader said something about he was brave and he would see it that he lives ? I’m still confused about why the baby died

[@dana8503]

This is the land of mabiki. Babies didn’t have a great time.

[@VolkovVelikan]

“Merico”

[@miliba]

Anglos always have a hard time pronouncing foreign names. Mariko is pronounced as mah-ree-ko

[@evannoffke1580]

⁠@@milibait has nothing to do with being Anglo and everything to do with this videos narration being AI

[@yohanekina19]

Japanese here. Seppuku was considered an honorable, dignified way to die by your own hands, compared to public execution by others. The man could have been beheaded in front of everyone, which was 10 times more humiliating. In the book, he was executed publicly in an agonizing, embarrassing way with his son. I know. That does not make it any better but worse lol. I’m a Christian, and I actually appreciate Christian nations for abolishing our savage customs like seppuku, beheadings, and corporate punishments. Wait! Actually, we still do practice corporate punishments in a social way. If your dad hits someone while driving, you will be treated as a criminal too, shunned by everyone who knows about your dad. There is no mercy or forgiveness of Christ. I am aware of all the brutality of western colonialism, but I can clearly see the stark difference between Christian and non Christian civilizations in the way they treat human life.

[@DeathBySnuuuSnuuu]

The baby committed Sudoku

[@emilianomoreira6245]

My son is the age of that baby. I can't explain how terrible it was to watch that scene. Still crying.

[@catkasimir]

They probably placed wet paper on the infant´s face.

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

This makes kamikaze pilots look reasonable.

[@shingovlog9270]

死の概念がこの頃は狂っていたと思います。今の日本人は死を名誉とは感じません。

[@InfinitySquared-te8xe]

It's fantasy. The book has as much to do with history as mice with engineering the new space station.

[@user-cv2bb4rx1u]

​@@InfinitySquared-te8xeye true, I mean mice literally saved the avengers in endgame

[@agoes7096]

What was missing his own sword mean to the samurai? Was it so shameful?

[@Jinisinsane]

Shogun/nobles: KYS Samurai: ok boss!

[@nanami4276]

Seppuku is not a long and agony death. Once the sword goes in, there is a guy who will be beheading.

[@carlosandleon]

not always

[@jasonr8534]

Not for a woman samurai.

[@nanami4276]

@@jasonr8534 I've never heard of such practice. Where did you find that information?

[@jasonr8534]

@@nanami4276 James Clavell’s Shogun

[@nanami4276]

@@jasonr8534 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@klenthquirante7061]

but did tonaraga did shit at the back of the horse😂

[@user-si6fd6lw6e]

This is a grossly misleading performance. For Japanese people, the meaning of killing babies is completely unknown. This is because, regardless of whether the baby is alive or dead, if the head of the family commits seppuku, a family without a male member who has reached Genpuku(coming of age) will be cut off with no one to succeed him. In the Sengoku period(Warring State period), if an enemy ruler with whom they had been fighting for many years did not surrender, or if their vassals rebelled against lord, the entire family and clan would be wiped out. However, the idea that the continuation of the "family'' was more important than anything else remained even after modernization in the mid-19th century, so there was no way that people would think of voluntarily losing their "family.'' In a prestigious family, if there was no one left to succeed the family due to illness or death in battle, they would search for a suitable successor from the branch family or relatives, and try to revive the family, even if it took some time. Normally, widows will remarry with children out of consideration for those around them.

[@peterg.c.1212]

😢

[@MightyBroxi56]

Was it ashes in the white boxes

[@MichaelRhodesno1]

Yes.

[@rivochristianericandrianas390]

Why would the samurai do such thing recklessly ? Is he an idiot ?

[@shinichiiwashita6903]

it is unlikely Samurai draw its sword under the circumstance.

[@podcastler]

Seppuku is stupid and barbaric . No child is responsible for the sin of his father, this is the Holy and only truth

[@justchilling704]

Seppuku is indeed asinine and evil. Imagine murdering an infant bc their parent offended you. I was actually disturbed watching this scene. Now I see why sociologists data shows that Christians virtues are reforming the world bc a lot of the world was even darker than it is now yikes. Before anyone tries to reply with a debate, this isn’t to say Christianity is necessarily true, just that the virtues system it preaches has strongly impacted the global ethos we see today.

[@carlosandleon]

@@justchilling704Eh, history will say otherwise. A lot of Japan were Buddhist at the time which is also a pacifistic way of life. It’s most accurate to compare it to Christian culture at the height of the inquisitions or crusades. Just because a religion preaches one thing doesn’t mean the followers do it as the religion says.

[@justchilling704]

@@carlosandleon I agree and disagree, many people who identified with Christianity definitely didn’t follow the teachings for the most part. Even today that can be seen. Academics actually differentiate between intrinsic and extrinsic religiosity for this reason. Regardless history has already spoke plenty of academic studies have been done on this topic which is why my original reply still stands. Christianity doesn’t have a “culture” as it’s not a race or ethnic group, and Buddhism has some let’s say disagreements with many modern peoples sensibilities as well. For example many Buddhist even married ones with refuse to have sex with their spouse. The Spanish inquisition wasn’t a Christian teaching, it was an Iberian investigation, they just retook their land after centuries of foreign subjugation and wanted their cultures and religion to be dominate and their society homogenous. Is that nice? Not really but it’s no different than Japan banning Christianity for centuries for the same reason. In recent times Spain and Portugal are offering citizenship has to Sephardic Jews descended from the explosion who want it.

[@carlosandleon]

@@justchilling704 So you should get my point that a people’s religion doesn’t necessarily translate to their character. I just used Buddhism as an example because of its rather pacifistic views much like christianity. And as christianity didn’t matter to the brutalities of european culture so doesn’t buddhism in japanese cultureZ Hell apparently the english used to boil people a lot more than the japanese at around the same time of the setting of the series.

[@carlosandleon]

@@justchilling704 It’s absolutely hubris to say it’s christianity that made the world progress into more peaceful times.

[@alanfitzgerald7275]

Its just who was ever naratting this section needs to look at that section and learn how to pronounce the peoples names right

[@jishaku38]

私も切腹しましたが、あまり痛くありません。皆さんも試して下さい。

[@shipitplease99999]

Google translate is a powerful thing lol

[@franciscomontiel1163]

Lmao

[@kentrelhayes5982]

@@shipitplease99999lmao I swear

[@MouseCrusader]

おもしろいいね。。。😂

[@user-nq7zp1hi3d]

どうか、成仏してください🙏

[@toxichammertoe8696]

And people think life without Christianity is better😂

[@evannoffke1580]

Oh buddy wait til you find out what Christian royalty had done to babies that threatened their claim to the throne in Feudal Europe

[@kristinesharp6286]

I stopped at them trying to take the baby from the mother.

[@LuckyScrunchy]

Is the Taiko the emperor?

[@shingovlog9270]

そうではないのですが、それに近い権力はありました。

[@user-os2vu7nr6i]

More like regent.

[@user-si6fd6lw6e]

Misunderstandings arose because the Japanese word for 天皇Ten-noh was changed to Emperor. The Ten-noh(Emperor) is a person who has authority but no power, and if trying to make an analogy, he is like the Pope. During the Sengoku period(Warring States period), the samurai class of the Ashikaga shogunate lost its ability to govern, so the feudal lords of the lower class competed for power. Hideyoshi was a so-called "upstart,'' so no matter how hard he tried, he was unable to become a shogun, and ruled by obtaining the title of 関白Kanpaku, a title held by an aristocrat formally above the samurai class. 太閤Taiko is a title given to someone who has resigned from Kanpaku, but since Hideyoshi took the name, it also came to refer to Hideyoshi himself.

[@kojak5500]

That culture is barbaric

[@InfinitySquared-te8xe]

Carrier pigeons were unknown in Japan at this time. That's how historically accurate the novel and it's adaptation is. It's a western fantasy. Stop treating it as anything else.

[@BernardoBerndsen]

I guess the Portuguese or English in the show could have never brought them? The show is based off a Japanese novel that has some historical artifacts. Get over yourself. It's a show bud.

[@InfinitySquared-te8xe]

We know they didn't (in real history). And it's not based on Japanese novel. Get your facts straight.

[@BernardoBerndsen]

@@InfinitySquared-te8xe Pardon an English Novel base on some historical japense insights. This is the 2nd or 3rd rendition of the story in film, get your facts straight. (easy google search: " Shogun Novel") I bet your a blast to watch movies with. The point is that you are too jaded to enjoy a show that actually has ton of historical accuracies. I'd also argue that you have no proof the Japanese never used carrier pegeons during or near this era. Enjoy the show for what it is and get inspired to do the research, that's what movies/shows like this are for. Also based off a novel.

[@shipitplease99999]

The base of Japanese culture is rooted in loyalty and honor. Nothing is more important that it, even death.

[@gailf1617]

When loyalty and honor push people into murdering babies, something is very wrong with either the people or the culture, or both. Not just in the Japanese culture, any culture.

[@InfinitySquared-te8xe]

It's a fiction. It has no base in historical reality.

[@leonidjoseph5483]

was. Not is

[@RobTzu]

5th Trimester Abortion. So progressive.

[@panchoelsancho5595]

Sepukku was soo dumb.

[@IsntTheInternetGreat]

It was vely honoraburu!

[@chickenporkadob0]

too bad it's not diverse considering it's on Disney

[@chawlz]

you forgot the strong independent wimmin assassin

[@chickenporkadob0]

@@chawlz i hope they ticked all the DEI checklists. it's a bad look for Disney if they're not inclusive since they champion those ideas.

[@chawlz]

@@chickenporkadob0 they'll find a way to get some diversity in, don't you worry lol. Shogun time period: 1600. Slave trade time period: 1526-1867.

[@chickenporkadob0]

@@chawlz good to know ❤️❤️❤️. i want to see a trans poc.

[@franciscomontiel1163]

It's FX and Hulu, disney+ is just trying to save some suscribers

[@argonunya882]

once again i see a hint of "wokeism"

[@franciscomontiel1163]

Did you see the episodes?

[@Ray03595]

great, don't watch. your loss

[@IsntTheInternetGreat]

Some people see wokeism everywhere because they're obsessed with it.

[@franciscomontiel1163]

Actually with all the bullshit the companies made in name of nonsense wokeism, I can understand why he see a hint TBH

[@haljordan4358]

How by then looking himself and his kids your a weirdo