Shooting of pet dingoes reignites debate over the animal's place in Australia 🐾 | ABC Landline

[@Rick-yk1pp]

How have we not learnt from the extinction of the Tasmanian Tiger after all these years.

[@theshavettes]

Dingoes are the reason they're extinct on mainland

[@SnowofLight]

Dingos aren't native to Australia, they're dogs that were brought from abroad

[@almac9203]

​@@SnowofLightthey are considered native. They have been in Australia for over 4000 years. That's thousands of years before the British.

[@ScrubbyCreek]

Dingos have been in Australia for thousands of years. They are a native animal that should be protected

[@zachwybrow638]

They are introduced and its unknown how many species were made extinct in the first few thousand years of their introduction. The thylacine was native.

[@lasentinal]

Dingoes are not indigenous to Australia. They are genetically related to dogs in South East Asia and are believed to have been introduced by fishermen from Indonesia just a few centuries ago, causing the extinction of the thylacine on mainland Australia.

[@Charleybear70]

Technically there not native I only found out this year

[@h.r.hufnstuf4171]

sorry but they aint native

[@baldieman64]

Cane toads have been in Australia for decades. They are a native animal that should be protected

[@OryxAU]

In the US we got rid of wolves in some regions, it became a real problem removing that predator from the environment. They are being steadily re-introduced. There should be no debate about this, you will end up in a worse place and just have to bring them back again anyway. Why make the mistake?

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

It's my understanding they're being reintroduced to natural parks not anywhere around farms.

[@tln6576]

because dingos are a native apex predator here and actually have the right to be here as a native species

[@miaowzers]

The mindset that we should get to eradicate a species for our own short-term gain needs to stop. How can we address bigger environmental issues if people can't wrap their head around this? I'm not saying I know the perfect solution, but if people can't change the way they think about this then we'll never get anywhere.

[@Dingosimon]

Why isn't the real question asked ? How many stock are lost due to floods and droughts ? I am sure it would be many times more than a few dingo kills. How much forage is lost due to over grazing and letting goats build up in numbers.? How many lambs die during to be born in the middle of winter? None of these things have anything to do with dingoes. To say that dingoes will wipe out the whole sheep industry , is really a very emotive conclusion that is not factual. Thank you ABC for the great footage show casing the Murchison area.

[@ceeemm1901]

And how much stock dies in transport....

[@Isaac-ho8gh]

Exactly! Though; pastoralists not caring about animal welfare much, damaging the environment, and not caring about climate change answers those questions.

[@JohnSmith-pn1vv]

We have dingoes where I live but it's cattle country and a remote area so the town/region lets them be. There are many regions like ours and more land not inhabited by humans so why would you have a problem with areas remaining dingo free? If you think it's a few dingo kills then you are out of your depth bud. It's sometimes 20% loss in controlled areas, uncontrolled areas we don't know because no farmer would have sheep there. If you allow dingoes to proliferate in sheep country, the losses would be enough to make running sheep unprofitable in this country. So perhaps it is you that has come to an emotive conclusion.

[@PaxAlotin]

Dingoes played a big part in killing off all the Mega-fauna as well as the mainland Thylacine They are NOT a marsupial - they are an introduced predator that reeked havoc across the continent.

[@jeffwilliam7500]

Wow dingos are not native to Australia 😂 Australian "education" has failed you they came into Australia a dog from Asia

[@LesleyChambers-v3t]

I had a dingo as a pet when i was three years old when i turned 6 we had to leave Goondiwindi and i had to say goodbye to my beloved rusty how i miss him then i learned a couple of weeks after rusty died he fretted for me if i had only known i would have gone back i have never loved another dog i loved you rusty and always will lesley

[@ljane3440]

😢 he is with you everyday in spirit ❤

[@SagalDuran]

I'm sorry for your loss 😔 RIP Rusty ❤ but how did he fret for you? How did you find out?

[@suechandler8162]

I can hear the" fear of being wrong" in the sheep farmers voice. I have met many farmers with the same resistance to change as him. Locked in a blind faith that they are the only ones who are right. They get very angry very quickly when challenged. The fact remains that most of that country is marginal and needs to be restored to Nature not farming.

[@zachwybrow638]

That so called marginal country ran millions of sheep until the dingos came back.

[@megang7738]

Charge can get a lot vilification, I've seen it out Western Queensland.

[@SurmaSampo]

Farming can improve marginal land and if we didn't farm on marginal land we wouldn't have an agricultural industry.

[@badpossum440]

And what will you do for food when all the farms are closed?

[@abcdjkx]

It is entirely wrong to classify feral dogs as the same as dingoes. One shouldn't be here, the other is a native wild animal.

[@Blue1Sapphire]

Difficult issue to resolve. Dingoes havent been eradicated and likely will never be. Baiting will also affect non target species. They do provide control of other species that compete for food for cattle, so that provides benefits. However they cannot live alongside of sheep. Either the sheep go or the dog goes. In dog country, I would be running cattle that can defend themselves against dog attack and keep an eye on dog numbers.

[@primesspct2]

That is not true. They need to have trained dogs, donkeys or llamas. Will it take work, yes it will. But have 4 or 5 big herding dogs, would keep the dingo's away, Dingoes don't want to die, they don't want to risk their lives against another .

[@Blue1Sapphire]

@@primesspct2 if that is done, then yes u could run sheep in dingo country on small holdings, however if u are talking about running sheep on thousands or tens of thousands of acres, u are going to have a logistical problem with covering such large areas with trained dogs.

[@davidhuth5659]

Has anyone in Australia tried guard dogs? They have been somewhat effective against wolves for hundreds of years in many parts of the world.

[@dcptiv]

I see my comment was removed about my pet Dingo Kelpie being the best & most friendly dog ever. Everyone he met was in awe of just how friendly he was to people & animals. I guess the narrative they want is that Dingos are bad & not our friends.

[@millennium677]

good pooch kelpies are numba 1

[@zoramavrinac2784]

Here in a coastal town we have dingoes and they are magnificent gentle creatures

[@catherinesecula5287]

alas , where i live near K'gari island , people blame DINGO a lots recently .. i used to go regular to sail , or camp in ( then call Fraser Island ) but this was around 24 years ago .. i never before had myself issue with Dingo and at the time , as visitor on the Island , we used to be educated what to do if Dingo approach us or try to educated ourself to be responsible to respect Dingo and other wild life there as it is their own protected space ( well it was supposed to be ?? ).. .. nowadays , there is not a month on the news here with news of issues of unfortunate encounter with dingo , blaming the dingo to be and to act and react as DINGO !!! ( i will not get into details here , but you can google ) . But K,gari island become too busy with no capping on number of tourists visiting the Island .. it is all about money ..and tourist go there , play loud music ,party drunk , let's food around , and play "volley game" on the beach .. to name a few activities who should not be , (in my humble opinion ONLY) , NOT be done on K,gari island .. same as some lakes and the river around Noosa were i live alas ,i see more and more , territorial Eagle , flying foxes and other native species confronted in their "own space" with the invasion of noisy drones zooming around .. exploring early morning or sunset, the birds life and animal life along the shores of the lake in a slow kayak , does not have he same appeal to me , when you ear a zooming flying thing disturbing the nature , i can only imagine how the native wide life will feel like .. sad ..

[@RR4kindness]

just sad that yet again an Australian native animal is being killed for a bounty, kinda sick and also heartbreaking. Dingos belong on the land, sheep don't.

[@-Awareness]

They’re all hypocrites lol…

[@bradleywilkinson8882]

@@RR4kindness It's not native!

[@zachwybrow638]

Not actually native

[@johnmead8437]

@@-Awareness Dingoes were introduced in relatively recent times and devastated Australia's unique ecosystems. Due to subsequent introductions it is probably in many places they are less destructive or sometimes beneficial (like controlling goats). They are firmly established & unlikely able to be eradicated, so control to a level determined by objectives is the only rational option. The fact land use and species manipulation motives can be flawed is something else to be addressed. For a beginning, urban sprawl/lifestyle blocks being reversed on any productive lands, and ecological protected (properly) representative sites established. Some might think having their houses appropriated and bulldozed and put into agriculture/horticulture/reserve inappropriate? There are plenty of landfills they can live on to get a handle on their contribution to the wider world.

[@almac9203]

​@@johnmead8437Dingos have been in Australia for over 4000 years. They aren't a recent addition.

[@lizzylou-q6f]

Maybe there is a need to reintroduce the concept of shepherds back into the industry. The sheep will be taken back to overnight shelters and/or shepherds stay overnight with the sheep. That way the sheep can be protected and jobs are created. This may mean a number of shepherds per property.

[@jakhaughton1800]

Livestock guardian dogs are the answer. They’ve been used against wolves in Turkey for centuries. The Kangals and Pyrenees are sleeping in the day and act as teams at night. Check out Raven Tree Farm in the US. They’ve never lost any livestock.

[@terrapyn99]

The dogs were here long before the sheep.

[@ViolentRainbow]

And I was here before you, does that mean I get to do whatever the hell I want?

[@tln6576]

@@ViolentRainbow we're talking about here 40,000 years before, depending on what dating's used

[@robbiegrant6036]

"All you have to do is not kill them" Hear that Fed and State govt?

[@grandmothergoose]

Farmers in most other parts of the world also have to cope with wild dogs, coyotes, jackals, and wolves of various species. Aussie farmers aren't the only ones facing this type of issue. Sure, many eliminate the threat and drive species to extinction or the brink of, but most nowadays use multiple strategies to cope, including some sort of secure fencing and many have trained livestock guardian dogs of some sort to protect their herds. In my opinion, if someone wants to protect their livestock, they should invest in incorporating multiple strategies to achieve that - fencing, trained guardian dogs, culling excessive numbers of predators, proper surveys of wildlife numbers, and general good land management. If someone wants to turn their property into a dingo sanctuary, they should do the same: invest in multiple strategies to keep their wildlife safe, such as secure fencing so they can't wander onto their neighbour's property to cause problems, tagging with GPS locators, trail cams, and clear signs banning hunting on their property. The problem in Australia is too many people want the right to do whatever they want on their own land, but they don't want the cost and responsibility of making sure their antics stay only on their land.

[@badpossum440]

Fencing costs about $100,000 per mile, some of these farms have hundreds of miles of fences. Do the maths. Banning hunting ? ok you dont know what you are talking about, these properties have public roads running through them they are not a closed enviroment.

[@miraleatardiff8543]

The dingo has been given its own species status, recognising that it is not descended from dogs or wolves. I had a dingo, Kyle. He was unlike any canid I have ever owned, before or since. He also was the perfect one to protect the livestock (horses, cattle, pigs and goats - there were no sheep) from trespassers and predators alike. He was also a skilled and scary fast herding animal. He was by best friend. He would protect me with his life. I lost him in 1982 and I still miss him. With that said, I am not romanticizing the species. Wild dingoes going after someone's sheep is an entirely different scenario. One has to protect their stock.

[@janvanaardt3773]

The dingoes are indigenous and should not be exterminated

[@ViolentRainbow]

So are kangaroos and emus, but if we allow them to continue in plague proportions our farmlands will be decimated. Do you want to starve?

[@PhunkBustA]

so as long as money is being made then the epa turns a blind eye? good to know for future reference

[@notdone1975]

If your that damn worried about your sheep buy large guardian dogs to protect them,I live in grizzly bear and timber wolf countrie never lost a sheep goat or cow in 20 yrs so canadians are smarter than ausies

[@debraworth8861]

Weren’t dingos originally pets, introduced by humans coming to Australia?

[@lindarackstraw7711]

NO

[@rustyhowe3907]

Responsibility goes on both sides of the fence lines. Farmers have the right to not have their livestock hurt. And for some reason youtube keeps deleting me for saying this.

[@geoffkkk2009]

So upset about losing their animals...........that are going to be sent to a slaughter house anyway? WTF?

[@rustyhowe3907]

Hrrrm not quite, lots of people think this of individual farmers but it's not true. Farmers don't want their livestock harmed and hurting in the same way you and I wouldn't want a family pet to either. It's why so much is poured into their medical bills and why the farmers go off when neighbors don't keep their animals in control and wind up wiping out livestock.

[@principal_optimism]

Sheep? From the hills and mountains of Europe? Where, for centuries, they were hunted by wolves? In dingo country? Send them back.

[@shanewheeler713]

It's a tough issue I grew up in the Murchison on a sheep station that now runs cattle. The dogs have their place true, the problem the sheep farmers have is the dogs only ever partially devour their kill before moving on, they chew a bit then on to the next kill. At the same time Cattle are much harder to kill and the Mother will protect the young. The 2 dogs killed on Wooleen Station was nothing but Pure Spite plain and simple, the person who did it and you know who you, are did it deliberately knowing they had no right to shoot on that property. In my younger days I worked on Wooleen, Beringarra and Bidgimia Station and other Stations contract mustering. These people love their land and have changed the ways they run their properties you can only see it by how much the land has regenerated in the last 10 years.

[@renee1741]

kangaroos are native... so why are they wanting their numbers to be kept down.

[@DW-rs1pr]

So are dingos. Dingos are a natural predators of kangaroos and historically kept the numbers down. But without dingos they have no predators. It's about finding balance in the ecosystem

[@Shannae-f3q]

We arent baiting snakes why bait dingos

[@sheepsfoot2]

Well hat's a stupid argument Shannae !

[@getthecats]

did you watch the video? because they hunt sheep

[@SurmaSampo]

Snakes are protected and rarely harm people and livestock. Dogs and pigs do so they get baited.

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

Do you think snakes actively hunt sheep?

[@MyApps-uf1dz]

Did Australia ever clean that northwestern tip with the blue asbestos where you can't even get nearby without getting cancer?

[@Rick-yk1pp]

@@MyApps-uf1dz nope, they pushed it up into a pile and put up no entry signs leaving the blue asbestos to be blown about in the wind forever. The no entry signs are obviously very effective judging by all the KZbin ghost town explorations

[@topfeedcoco]

The flies look awful in Australia.

[@junedetla3324]

My gosh....really doesnt makesense...leave the wildlifealone..peopleare most ignorant species ever lived....we all think to much..all it is really about is profit and money..

[@howtogrowdragonfruitplant7849]

Dingos came as dogs (technically wolves) with the aboriginal people from Indonesia. So they are not native really. Sheep, camels, rabits, mice and goats do most damage to the land. The top predators originally were land croqs and mega monitors lizards.

[@cherylmillard2067]

When the aboriginal people came to Australia from Indonesia 45 - 50,000 years ago. Dingoes are not descended from dogs or wolves; they were introduced to Australia about 12,000 years ago according to fossil records.

[@michaelgumleyguitar]

Don’t forget the Thylacine which went extinct due to the introduction of the dingo

[@rosemarygraham2815]

Dingoes have been here for over 4000 years so that makes them native to Australia as far as I’m concerned and as far as the majority of Australians are concerned!!!! ❤❤❤🙌🏻

[@hamlltonhope8123]

You are correct, except that cattle destroy the soil by compacting it, and humans do more damage than all the other introduced species and currently trying to destroy our Planet.

[@Hamez3000]

Great story. Thankyou. Actual journalism from the ABC. Refreshingly free of ideology.

[@HillDogTV]

Controversial one

[@danielprinsloo2917]

Australia - the land of the fly

[@Aethuviel]

"Canis familiaris" hasn't been recognized as a species for decades. Dogs are a subspecies of grey wolf, they're Canis lupus familiaris, and most biologists recognize dingoes as their own subspecies - Canis lupus dingo. In either case, there is no "Canis familiaris".

[@Clintreid75]

Firstly I would like to thank you for having open comments on this matter, but as someone who has worked in the livestock industry in Western Australia have seen firsthand how much damage dingoes can do to livestock including cattle. Wild dogs including dingoes need to be controlled in areas of livestock production, in my experience and opinion the damage that can be done outweighs the benefits of having a population of wild dogs when breeding and growing livestock. I look forward to reading comments from others on this matter.

[@ceeemm1901]

Compared to how much stock dies in transport?

[@missmarypav]

Also, how many die LIVE EXPORT. They truly care about their stock @ceeemm1901

[@scottprimrose6966]

A Shape Station ??!!

[@jamielindsay6795]

Farmers need to remember private property doesn’t end at their property line.😢

[@motozz8258]

Tourism tool , tourism is a blight on the land

[@Krowdy01]

What about during calving season? How many calves are you losing to dogs? I’ve read terrible stats from farmers relating their their livestock loss in Australia from Dingoes / Wild dogs. It’s a no from me.

[@HML-it7te]

I’ve heard the Nguni breed cattle, fiercely defend calves to the death, this 6000 year South African native linage is unique and likely a good natural match to the dingo (up to a point). Nguni are normally very placid to humans and I’ve even heard the term “curious”, in that they will sometimes hang about the farmyard. Easy birthing is another positive with this breed, but I’ve heard of many other natural breed benefits. Perhaps this breed could help farmers manage dingos better. IDK. Would be a good PhD topic for sure…anyone?

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

The farmers refuse to raise dingoes to protect the sheep from other dingoes.

[@darkpenguin1978]

This land is here since earth beginning, I doesn't understand someone came from so far away from England to claim it as property and surrendered it with fence only for his family..

[@robfagan1122]

Hi watching from the uk, so a million miles away, Clark Mcghies Wild Country, from australia is a well worth watch, ❤

[@Skatted]

Crazy you have people working so hard to save dingoes. Then you have farmers killing them?

[@jakeaffleck3307]

Why does nobody talk about the impacts of baiting on the environment?

[@MsRichycon]

Dingo took my baby

[@paulread6240]

Shows it not sheep county up there. It's cattle

[@LyriqalFlame767]

If Australia continues on this Dingo Killing Trail ,,im saddened to say that the generations coming just 2 steps after us will only learn of Dingos as History only,, n that's quite heavy, for all the occupants of this Universe

[@farmhandbruce4860]

Did they actually find fur or any other evidence other than blood and ejected misfired round and casings? The blood could have been from any number of different animals. Domesticated dogs have been known to hear the call of the wild and run off and join wild dog packs. They may still be out there somewhere.

[@nausicaa8179]

Dingos aren’t native animals

[@almac9203]

Google says they are native to Australia.

[@imkingnoobuwu4326]

If we didnt have dingos we wouldnt have bluey (i think i remember that ACD became a thing due bwcause of cross breeding of dingos i think im not 100 percent sure)

[@Elon_Marz]

Llamas and donkeys are used to protect sheep and goats. Has this been given any consideration?

[@mifo2000]

How are they a Native animal when they were bought here 4000 years ago from asia?

[@motozz8258]

They are scary when they stalk you , powerful and agressive with nasty wild behaviour

[@josiemarsh7844]

Save the dingos I had won as a pet when I was a kid

[@ajett5081]

What about big guard dogs that sheep farmer use around other parts of the world.?

[@ronmckay504]

Australia has a poor record when it comes to controlling wildlife. They tried to eliminate/control the rabbit population back in the mid 1950's which backfired horribly and again with the introduction of Kane Toads that also has been a disaster.

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

Emu wars.

[@markleon7076]

Old Money Not self made handed down Nothing to prowl of did it for them self.

[@Outdoorshuntingshooting]

Omg you have DEA in Oz?

[@barry7608]

The whole issue revolves around the question, is the dingo a separate species, and they ARE. So if we can get passed that, its a matter of are we going to let this precious animal be slaughtered to extinction?? Another way to see the obvious bias in this video is when they raise the issue of people getting attacked and killed !!! Total hysteria IF you're talking pure dingo, the cross breed is a different creature altogether. However should toddlers be allowed to be alone in the bush? absolutely not, just as any predator such as a crocodile might snatch someone from a river bank, or a Scrub python wraps up an unattended child, but to suggest an adult could be killed by pure dingoes...yea right.

[@lameas66]

The circle of life.

[@Vanadisir]

I don't care if they are being hunted on farms, they should not be being kept as pets unless the person is Native Australian. Dingos are wild, and should stay that way. You don't see anyone trying to domesticate Hyenas.

[@jakeaffleck3307]

Baiting should be banned.

[@aussieshootandhuntadventur4973]

Hardly any full bred dingoes left now . These dogs are hybrid dingoes crossed with domestic animals

[@russellgillick7938]

That's not true. Look it up.

[@jasondowt]

Absolute lie and misinformation by 1080 manufacturers and shooters. Look up Kylie Cairns PhD on her research into dingoes. ALL WA DNA samples taken 100% pure dingo. I know because we have a rescue dingo from Newman and took part in the study.

[@majorgalah]

not true, most are pure dingos or very high content dingos.

[@Cyclone-Enoch]

🌹🦘🦘🦘🇭🇲🦘🦘🦘🌹

[@cherylbradbury4875]

😢

[@HebrewHammerArmsCo]

Hell no to baiting... I have a 4000 acre property that the state government air drop baits around and on my property once or twice a year. My major issue is it kills far to many other animals who feast on dead carcass of targeted animals. Especially Goannas and Eagles. On a side note, Dingoes make great farm dogs.

[@jameswaterhouse-brown6646]

Kangals!

[@lj0608]

leave them alone this is bs always blaming everyone else,but people and natural disasters.

[@aussiegrace]

😡

[@johannahoneyman697]

Dingoes contributed to the extinction of thylacines on the mainland.

[@heraldreichel1971]

I have no idea about the situation in Australia. Here, in Austria, it took centuries to get rid of all the wolves and bears. In a country with no legal carry firearms, doesn't everybody feel safer not having apex predators taller than ankle high?

[@tonychinnery]

Dingos are not native to Australia. They were brought to Australia about 4000 years ago, and caused the extinction of the thylacine, a marsupial predator.

[@katnoto8993]

Humans caused the extinction of the thylacine. We have some in museums that were caught alive. Edit: tasmania is part of Australia. Unless we plan on reinttoducing extinct thylacines back to mainland Australia we need an apex predator to keep foliage eating animals in check

[@Krustyclown5791]

Stop killing our dingos, they help keep the foxes and the introduced animals dwn.

[@WadeKratzmann]

If its calfing time gou have yard near the homestead years ago we used to have to stay up at night to gaurd the chooks from foxes.. if you jave predators in your area you dont kill them year in year outfor generations if it jasnt worked to date tgese farmers i thought they were smarter tgen the way they talk, you fence ypur properties with wildlife corridor because 1 man fence it will push animals 1 wat or another these native animals need to live in there home range its not all about these farmers pockets.. dug in your pocket and work on a project to help your land and livestock not dig in ypur pocket to buy guns and bullets.

[@ScrubbyCreek]

Don’t refer to Dingos as dogs. They are not

[@zachwybrow638]

90% of whats out there are wild camp dog mutts not dingoes

[@Fido-vm9zi]

Apparently some are.

[@ScrubbyCreek]

@@zachwybrow638 did I say camp dogs??

[@BraniusBalki]

Yeah they kill all the sheep The dogs were there right?

[@bradleywilkinson8882]

Dingo is a feral dog,it was brought here 4000 years ago. They would have killed off the poor Tylasine,which disappeared 3000 years ago on the mainland.

[@-Awareness]

Who brought them here and from where?

[@bradleywilkinson8882]

@@-Awareness Dingo is closely related to the New Guinea wolf, Though the ancestors of both are supposed to be extinct? It was brought here about 4000 years ago by some Aboriginal tribe's.

[@-Awareness]

@@bradleywilkinson8882 so a few 1000 years before the introduction of sheep, cows, camels, goats etc.. they were here well before we were, so they are native… but like everything else we do, we will just kill it off in favour of our own greed and fortune…

[@oldlifter530]

Stop government over reach into citizens lives. REMEMBER THE PNUT 🐿️🇺🇲 and FRED 🦝🇺🇸

[@jamesgrabatin5520]

The real question is "Did the dingo eat your baby?"

[@edwardhawkey5714]

Realistically, Dingoes are not indigenous

[@principal_optimism]

But they are...

[@-Awareness]

@@edwardhawkey5714 and neither are you unfortunately… so what is your solution? Do they go and you stay?…

[@millennium677]

neither are humans

[@soundman6645]

What needs to understood, is, the Dingo isn not, never was and never will be a native animal. . The Australian environmant and it's native animals do not require an apex preditor. . The discussion must begin there

[@Adamgmtb7]

All environments need apex predators. Are saltwater crocodiles, tasmanian devils, wedge-tailed eagles (among others) not native apex predators. And the dingo is normally considered a native animal. While it is true that they were introduced, the animal we recognise as dingoes now are significantly different from the ones introduced, indicating that evolution and change has occurred in Australia, which means they can be described as native.

[@zachwybrow638]

​@Adamgmtb7 they aren't native mate give up the entire argument is void

[@renee1741]

dingos kill mice don't they?

[@millennium677]

neither are humans or sheep

[@majorgalah]

say, i wonder why australia has such an overpopulation of grey kangaroos