Shooting Review: How Bad Can A $220 Beretta Really Be? Beretta APX Carry A1

[@jameslooker4791]

Considering it's competing with a Hi-Point on price after rebate, you're a little harsh.

[@andrewkitchen7554]

Might rather buy the ruger I can find the 380s for like $180

[@CalCam1331]

I’ve seen a lot of people complain about this trigger. I’m glad you’re reviewing it ! I like the apx centurion.

[@ayangarcia339]

I actually love the trigger as a new CCW carrier. The long trigger pull makes me feel better about a loaded gun pointed at my huevos. Maybe it’s also because I’ve never shot other guns and I have nothing to compare it to😂

[@darrengarcia4937]

Yeah you really should have looked up more pistols.

[@ayangarcia339]

Nope. Completely happy with my purchase. “Comparison is the thief of joy”

[@guidelamp4025]

@@darrengarcia4937 If it's comfortable for him, fits his needs, and is, most importantly, reliable, then that's all that matters. The only thing left to do is train with it as much as possible, even if that training is just dry firing at home.

[@ayangarcia339]

Yup, it’s exactly what I wanted for a first CCW gun: 9mm, slim single stack, reliable brand, no external safety, somewhat pocket carryable, and most importantly insanely cheap price. Got mine for $170 after rebate.

[@jeffreygoss8109]

Good for you. Don’t be swayed by the guns snobs bragging about a hair trigger. I own one, don’t love it but it works and works reliably.

[@snakedoc9412]

Hey man I just wanted to say I asked about this one a while back and now you did a review on it, you’re a man of the people SPN. Thank you for the honest review as always!

[@SuperD00D]

This guys a chode the apx’s are the best polymer frames hands down Ive owned em all

[@jameslooker4791]

I had a friend try the A1 Carry and the thin width and mild recoil were big sellers for her. I was kind of surprised how much your mom's experience matched up with her's. She didn't comment on the trigger being unpleasant at all.

[@Officializzyiz]

I personally LOVE the look and style of the APX carry but with this thorough review it made me lean more towards the canik Mc9L. Im in the market for a compact 9 and was eye balling the APX on PSA for about 2-3 months. Thanks for the honest review

[@esnos19]

Thank you. Finally a review without a Glock 26 in it.

[@nycgrafix]

So I had one of these, and while I agree the trigger is the weak point, I want to make mention that the APX CARRY is completely different then the APX FULL SIZE and the APX Compact. Both of which are EXCELLENT weapons, and stand true to Berettas quality control and excellent design. I own the typical Glocks, CZs, and Smiths. While all fantastic weapons, I choose to daily carry my APX compact. It is a reliable to the core, ergonomic, well designed pistol that was designed with combat in mind, (APX FULL) as it was created for the MHS trails. (performed very well) It is an incredibly underrated pistol as many of Berettas weapons seem to get overlooked in the American market. Folks you won't be disappointed with the FULL and Compact size APX. The one shown in this video is a different pistol, and doesn't share the same chassis unlike the ones I mentioned.

[@fpav4049]

That's a reinvented NANO. Your great trigger starts coming at the 800 round mark and at 1300 on, it's really like butter. Those are Nano magazines, exactly the same.

[@BB-gr9hq]

Thanks for the review/warning. Made me want the CZ P10M.

[@spnfirearms]

No problem man, thanks for watching and respect!

[@ramcharger154]

hands are so weird. I'm basically the same size as my dad but he just has these huge sausage finger, burly man farmer hands and I have the same size.hand but skinny, bony play us a song you're 🎵 the piano man sissy hands 😂😂😂😂😢😮

[@jasonashley4579]

​@@ramcharger154Gen Z kids have tiny hands, they're very young and no manual labor, even when my daughters boyfriends and fiance are around I still gotta open up all the jars.

[@benb5960]

I have a number of pistols, but this is the one I carry. Why? I pocket carry & the long trigger pull is a plus. Also, I learned pistol craft (as a now retired Federal LEO) on a 2.5” S&W 66 .357. I grew to like the long DA trigger on revolvers. Later carried & owned Glocks, etc., but carry the Beretta with a 6 round mag & then 1 or 2 eight round mags as reloads.

[@kevmac1230]

It also reminds me of a revolver. I'm sick of the whining about the trigger.There's a multitude of reviews on this gun.Just watch before buying instead of being all butt hurt.

[@joelchalk597]

Thanks for this. I've been wanting a genuine review about this for a while.

[@jerryburnett1803]

Man I got my APX A1 for $199 after Beretta rebates. Got 2 mags. Nice carry pistol. Great grip.

[@Zantar45]

Its only $200 (or less) plus Beretta offers a $50 back rebate on it. If we could get them here in California it would be an instant buy for me because I like finding cheap guns just to blast ammo at the range. Just last week I found Shield 9mm for $250 and a Phoenix Arms HP22 for $150

[@jigsawpulse1139]

Where ?

[@Zantar45]

@@jigsawpulse1139 Before Black Friday Palmetto State Armory had them for $200 on the website, they now appear to be $220 which is still not that bad after the $50 rebate that goes until the end of the year. If you're asking about where they can be found for under $200, you'll have to scour the comments on the r/gundeals subreddit because people would sometimes say they found the pistols cheaper at their local gun shops.

[@jsj31313jj]

​@jigsawpulse1139 Exactly!! I'm looking for a Shield Plus, but it's looking more like $400+ not $250...

[@chuckr5929]

I recently picked up a 1st gen APX and I can agree with you. I dislike the trigger and for me it shoots super low compared to all of my other guns. I kind of regret buying it lol

[@chriskylo323]

Personally I have the Beretta and carry it everyday, put a Big Dot night sight on it gun shoots fine. Put it in my front pocket and works for me.

[@joes.7536]

I have the xs sights. And the Galloway precision guide rod. It’s the same as the nano. And trust me the stock guide rod spring will break eventually. The large spring will pop over the lip in the middle and jam the pistol up. The slide will not be able to come back far enough to eject or load a new round. I had 2 nanos and an apx carry a1. Same recoil spring for all of them. 16lb is stock weight. My advice is a to change the spring guard rod assembly. Load +p ammo with no worries.

[@stern2701]

Holy crap he got it! Let’s go thanks SPN ❤ I’ll trust you and pass on it, but I’m glad you are going to keep it and give it more time. At least you have someone that likes it so it’s not a complete waste. I’d like to know how it holds up though and see if you still feel the same way about it. God’s blessings to you and your family hope you had a good thanksgiving!

[@IEraiderfan]

Thanks for the review I wish we could get a lot more pistols in Cali, Stay safe.

[@travistucker4067]

Ima stick with my Taurus 85 for backup. Another solid video brother.🔥

[@HVACR_ToolNut]

I was waiting to hear about this one.. We need some like this one, it narrowed down the list instead of adding to it!

[@ThenewguyYT]

My first handgun ever was a Fullsize APX, I too it to the range and it jammed 4 times within 100 rounds, I sold it right there at the range for a glock 48

[@shaneanderson4872]

I'll give you 200 right now and won't be a cry baby about getting a dependable reliable concealabe optics cut firearm almost new out of the box for budget prices you can't even buy a new taurus for that

[@theaftermath525]

Second that

[@IdiotSavantProductions]

Yea , but I can get a non optics ready Taurus new , with 2 extra mags , for 200. And metal sights . And better trigger. If you look around on GB you can in fact find optics ready used ones under 300

[@surewill5141]

Crying like a baby 👶 😢 😭 😩 over everything you can ask 4😂what a snob

[@ricksworlddereaux2397]

219$..😂😂Thats crazy low..better it can get...your complaints are baseless for that purchaseprice..

[@glockboydave6160]

@@shaneanderson4872 range USA

[@gb123-ej8wh]

Making me want it to see how good it really is. I own the River EC9s and it’s an awesome little piece of hardware other then the fragile coating that rusts through in the first summer at least in my experience. I call it Rusty. People complain about triggers and I think it’s not that bad. For $220 you complaint only 1 mag, the EC9s comes with 1 mag for like $260.

[@pluggerdavidson6418]

I have never had any problems from my Ruger ec9s , good trigger, small, dependable, love my ec9s.

[@airsoftbuddy83]

Gotta love how Mom is a factor 😊 lol

[@spnfirearms]

She’s the best! Respect!

[@jibaro2Agunner]

i own one. and i love it. same one in blk and i have a holosun optic on it 👍

[@jasonwenger2746]

Love your channel man I’ve been waiting on this one

[@spnfirearms]

Thanks man, I appreciate that! Respect

[@jasonwenger2746]

@ seriously dude I genuinely love your perspective I am a blue collar worker from Maryland specifically in the fire protection trade as a service guy yeah I hate our laws but you having a genuine perspective of all the guns you review it is a great change of pace from all of the bought Guntubers keep it up and stay true and you will continue to grow. PS I’m an sig guy and I love the content when you tear them apart because I really only love them for the ergonomics. Next gun is a Glock though probably a 43 for the pocket rocket

[@joes.7536]

That sucks. I bought an early one with a plate with a dovetail. And installed the xs big dot sights. Not sure I would buy it again with that current rear sight situation. Mine also came with two magazines. They definitely cheapened it up. Still a reasonable option I would rather carry this over a Taurus any day for $250 budget.

[@jackbauer9077]

I wanted to love this pistol! And I wanted to love beretta nano twice (previous single stick that is same gun without makeup on) I bought a lot of mags holsters night sights and different color grip frames. EACH of the 3 guns started out great then within 200 rounds or less I would get jams, double feeds/failures to extract. I see they still make em so maybe they are better and maybe I got lemons but after 3 i tapped out. Plus trigger sucks it’s okay but wish it had the apx trigger that big brother has. Hope you have better luck.

[@snakeplissken44]

My lc9s was my first and only micro 9. I hit with it better than full size 9s.

[@TheJHMAN1]

I have one of the original LC9 with a short trigger on it. Its is a far better shooter than this Beretta.

[@pjfuscoonthenews1693]

The thing here is that there are expectations regarding the Apx-a1 carry which are incongruous with the msnufacter’s intent. It was never designed or built to compete with pistols that come with bells and whistles. The trigger is designed to prevent, as much as possible, accidental discharge. The rest of the gun is plain, simple and an excellent choice for cc. It’s not for everyone but no gun is, however it’s a Beretta, built like a brick shithouse although that’s all you get in the present iteration: the gun and an 8 round mag which is why it cost so little. I have this gem and it is my usual carry. I love it for its unpretentiousness and its utility. I mean, look, it’s a gun you use to protect yourself and the people you care about when you’re out and about. At home I keep a Beretta PX4 Storm full size at the ready among others. The right tools for the job.

[@spnfirearms]

Fair enough! Respect! I love my beretta px4 storm subcompact. If it works for you I’m all for it!

[@22addict40]

Well you can do that with a HiPoint 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@jeffreygoss8109]

@@22addict40well I can trust my beretta to actually work. I would trust a hi point as a paper weight 😂

[@pjfuscoonthenews1693]

Hi point? Yeah, right, but not if you want to keep all the fingers of your shooting hand.

[@22addict40]

@ well I guess that’s because I know how to shoot my two? I train with every gun I have! I have a cheap Phoenix.25acp and it has never failed once!

[@iracolwell7253]

I'll keep my PX4 Sub Compact.

[@jeffreygoss8109]

At least it doesn’t go off without the trigger being pulled 😂

[@jameslooker4791]

The biggest problem with the P-10M is the TERRIBLE aftermarket support.

[@zombiezombiezombie]

wow 1 mag in the box from a 500 year old gun company

[@gisellesbikeseat]

No excuse for that from any company. Costs them pennies on the dollar to manufacture. Just screwing the buyer. Could be the best gun on the planet but I wouldn't buy based on that fact alone. Cheap nasty vinyl bastards.

[@Precocktrigger]

Lol wow I would not buy it just because of that reason

[@sleigh4019]

Bought one like 2 years ago for 160$ so I wouldn't expect a ton ..think I traded it for more

[@dmvcode3gaming187]

I got 2 one 8 and 6 round mag

[@finalcountdown7658]

It's a $200 gun, so what are you all complaining about? You want champagne on a beer budget.

[@josephstarnes8747]

Great review! I don't need one, but I've been tempted to get one just because I'm happy with my other Berettas. Looks like I'll just be happy I have a Shield for my carry gun.

[@TheJHMAN1]

Thats what I thought, but even with the $50 rebate which puts it at $179 it is still not worth it. They need to give you and optic plate at least.

[@stern2701]

@@josephstarnes8747 that’s what I was saying man. I love the apx series and I want to like the apx carry too but nobody seems to like it. I’ll pass on it for now because I really do value SPNs opinion.

[@Surviveandthrive777]

I got a 6 and 8 with my purchase for that model. Paid like 250$

[@richthepup]

This gun is the successor to the gun that got me into guns (Beretta Nano) the issue with this gun is finding mags! It’s damn near impossible to get mags for it

[@alexanderbolias900]

I was told that the nano mags fit this one.

[@richthepup]

@ they do but they’re equally hard to find because people bought them up trying to get extra mags for this. Beretta said they would release more mags for this gun years ago but never did

[@OhioCruffler]

I have one. Probably the most I have ever been disappointed by a new gun. I will say that the trigger cleaned up after a few hundred dry fires. But I lost the rear sight the second time I had it out and had to buy another since Beretta wouldn't respond to my customer service request. That was a little off-putting.

[@popupheadlights]

I bought one for $179 plus the $50 rebate for my wife to carry it shot well and was reliable but that trigger neither me or my wife really enjoyed shooting it. Sold it to my local gunstore for $250 and bought a cz p07 gave my wife my daily carried p365 and later and got myslef a hellcat osp id say for the price its an option for the budget guys but still dont think id take it over a g3

[@stern2701]

@@popupheadlights CZ P07 is nice 👍

[@foxcurry]

Had mine for a total of eight shots. Went back to Beretta the very same afternoon. Trigger was simply dangerous. Three weeks later it comes back and, while the trigger was "fixed," it still shot several feet low at 25 yards. It's a paper weight now. Several weeks later my $50 rebate gets refused for an "incorrect serial number." That's it - I'm done with Beretta for good.

[@davedobos8737]

SPN becoming one of my favs I seen this gun lots but not for me

[@spnfirearms]

Respect and thanks for watching!

[@christophermead9800]

It would’ve been nice to come with another magazine, but at the end of the day, it is just a backup gun. Also, you might want to find a shooting range that allows you to shoot out to 25 yards. It will greatly improve your marksmanship even if you never need to take a shot at that distance in a defensive scenario.

[@MrFmccarty]

Most guns come with but one reason to buy. I like that Baretta they need that rebate to buy another magazine.

[@BirdDogey1]

I picked up the compact. Had 2 mags. 260 after rebate.

[@dustydesertdisciple6290]

Taurus g3c is 300 abouts but you get 3 12rnd steel mags, and its has steel white dot sight.

[@schneider1804]

Got it for $179 it does what I need it to but its not my main carry just a cheap reliable back up

[@TruckingShooter]

I keep seeing these online for under 200 with the rebate which for that price I think it's a great buy. Now I wouldn't pay much more for one. I see it as a competition to a hi point c9 for someone who just wants a 9mm for self protection and doesn't have much money. For the 250 range though there are better options. Edit: just saw an ad for a taurus g series from sportsman's outdoor superstore for sub 200 with a rebate. That's a much better buy then this.

[@jameswarner3450]

My favorite part is when you pull the targets up, look at the grouping, and then look at the pistol with an accusatory stare. lol

[@cwill14]

Does anyone know what kind of screw you use for this firearm's optic plate mount? Like any exact details? I got a Feyachi dot and the screws I got will work but don't go far enough in, so now I'm stuck trying to figure out how to even find the screws I need.

[@blackhawk7r221]

People should understand if their particular pistol’s striker goes to full cock or half cock after racking. May lead to a better understanding of trigger travel, breaks, and reset distance.

[@Tsunami_Hawk]

I want all the Apx’s except the carry. Figure I’d just spend a little more and get the tomcat

[@ayangarcia339]

A “little” more? $200 9mm vs. $550+ 32. ACP? Lol

[@valkyrie4Ok]

the tomcat is nice but the comparison doesn’t make much sense

[@yodo6414]

You do not need a back up mag for ccw and how does an optic help with the trigger?? Lol

[@bubbalawrence1]

You carried in New Jersey?! How’d you manage to pull that off? 😮

[@SegaKid_V]

1:28 Beretta has a $50 mail-in rebate. (220 - 50 = 170)

[@kevmac1230]

I can deal with the trigger,it reminds me of a revolver. One mag only sucks though. I've seen many say the trigger gets noticeably better after use.

[@Jordan-vr3os]

Great review. I was seriously considering this at the price point, but it doesn’t seem to be worth it.

[@iGame2A]

My pops got one, he was hitting steel targets alright with it. I didn't get a chance to try it out. But I will try it next time.

[@motomogul4023]

Newark NJ? did you get an out of state permit? what ammo did you carry?

[@masterk5066]

I never shot it but I always saw it as a red flag when they have a rebate on these every 3-4months for the last 2yrs 😂. You never see their 92's/92x's constantly on rebate. Still better than a highpoint with the rebate tbh but on paper It's just not beating anything else on the market, which is their main problem so I don't feel the need to shoot it

[@MURDOK72605]

Not a fan of that model. Did Mossberg ever fix your mc2sc?

[@michaelshook4023]

What kind of trigger is on that LC9S?

[@e.8732]

Got my wife this same gun earlier this year

[@showtime2629]

I don't think this gun was designed to be a budget gun, it was such a poorly timed release that they HAVE to sell these for next to nothing just to get rid of them.

[@jeffreygoss8109]

I agree. I think it probably supposed to compete with the 43 but they were late and the 43 soaked up the market so they just gave up on the R and D and sent it.

[@12secsn95]

503 or apx a1?

[@epochphilosophy]

I recently bought this firearm due to the price, and it malfunctioned every other magazine. And it malfunctioned horribly. It would send the spent casings into the barrel. Never seen that happen before. I'm not sure if the barrel's feedramp or the extractor was messed up. That said, sent this firearm into Beretta for warranty, they claimed they couldn't reproduce my issue and that it had to be "bad ammo" (it wasn't), and sent it back to me. To make matters worse, their testing included shooting the APX only 25 times! Utterly disappointed in an already "meh" gun, and with Beretta's customer support.

[@JohnThomas-d8o]

Feel for you. Same issue with a brand new 30X. Tried three different defensive rounds and choked on them all.

[@jeffreygoss8109]

Where did you send it? The Tennessee factory or the Maryland facility?

[@epochphilosophy]

@@jeffreygoss8109 Tennessee factory.

[@epochphilosophy]

@@JohnThomas-d8o Never had one issue with a 92FS nor a full sized APX. Never expected this horrible of support from Beretta though. Absolutely abysmal experience and the worst one I've had with a firearm.

[@jeffreygoss8109]

@ I only ask because I have taken stuff to the Maryland facility and they were really good. Sorry to hear about experience.

[@Scientist_Salarian]

Great for the price if you need a CCW gun right this instant for cheap, but otherwise why not just save up a little and buy a shield?

[@wernervoss6357]

I had a Beretta Nano for a little while, it was my first pocketable 9mm. It looked great, but was otherwise terrible.

[@TGS940]

SPN, how’d you bring it to NJ? lol what state are you From that NJ accepts your states permit? And I do notice most your videos are only Smaller handguns like you live in NY or something which sucks a lot!

[@jpiuvara]

I'm a little confused if it's a bad gun why does the Italian military use it as their official side piece if I'm not mistaken.

[@ChandlerCharityTV]

This is the APX Carry, which is not at all similar to the rest of the APX Lineup, it's essentially a Baretta Nano. No aftermarket support, mediocre optics mounting system, no modular accessories for the FCU besides the different color frames. Hoped this helps, the regular APX is fantastic.

[@stern2701]

@@jpiuvara yeah man different apx pistols. Italy uses the apx full size and centurion models. The trigger is actually good on those too.

[@Gungrave123]

its weird it doesn't even come with a flush mag.. how are you supposed to carry the thing

[@stern2701]

@@Gungrave123 I think they stopped doing that to make it cheaper? I only ever saw one in a store once and it came with two mags an 8 and 6 with flush and pinky extension baseplate. The one he bought was way cheaper. It would make for a stronger case if they add more value

[@RoadWarriorMP88]

I dont know if it was nationwide or not, but a lot of stores near me would give you an original apx carry for free just to get rid of them they were so bad

[@vicsage83]

You got a Shield 2.0 for $225??!! I paid…significantly more in 2019

[@magdump7380]

They should have given it a standard APX trigger

[@ronenton4037]

I got the A1 Carry when it was $220 plus $50 rebate. Luckily mine has been reliable bc i was very worried about the many bad reviews. Trigger isnt that bad to me but its prob bc im used to old milsurps.

[@Dark_Glockz]

Your consistency is amazing my dude, absolutely love the knowledge and truth you spread to new people and people who been doing it awhile. You’re killing it. 🫡

[@jgpastora]

I was always curious about this gun 😅

[@ThomasSimmons-j9l]

Is there an aftermarket trigger that works for that weapon?

[@jeffreygoss8109]

I’ve seen one but it is nearly the price of the gun.

[@SegaKid_V]

2:11 Use a Hogue grip from a Glock 43 (not 43x, it's to long).

[@longtimber]

Where did you get those targets?

[@jigthepuff4540]

I’ll just keep flint lock thank you.

[@VolksStokes]

Hmmm but the LCP trigger seemed trashy too 😅😂

[@doghousedon1]

Why did you buy it, knowing what it was and it's short comings?

[@stern2701]

@@doghousedon1 for the channel. I was always tempted to buy one because of low prices but now I don’t much want one. SPN doesn’t complain about features as much so if he is not a fan I’ll trust him and hard pass. It’s just a novelty now

[@doghousedon1]

​.I will go out out on a limb for you. The carry pistol you want is the Beretta 92 FS Compact from Langon Tactical with night sights. Their PX-4 Storm Compact is another option. I've carried the 92 Compact for over 30 years practically 12-7 with no problems whatsoever. The secret is in a good quality gunbelt.

[@stern2701]

@ you aren’t wrong brother. I’m a beretta fanboy. I have the px4 compact, apx centurion and fs a1 tactical. I really want to get a 92 variant sometime either a Langdon tactical like you said or just a Squalo. CZ is also a great option I love the p07 for this time of year.

[@matityahu233]

Bro cap I had this gun and I love it!!

[@believein1]

Hi. I'm 46 and just now getting into firearms. Looking forward to my first one, but am training with a 19X bb gun from Umarex at the moment. The trigger on that bb gun and this are exactly the same lol. That's shocking. Keep up the great work man.

[@baltimoresfinest5324]

Damn bro could of used the discount code for $50 rebate it’s good til Dec 31

[@melmatrix1669]

I hated the Berretta Nano the original apx carry and the apx a1 carry, but my girl loves them. I dont know why. She has all of them in different colors

[@davew8694]

Try a fusion 1911. Yes I'm old and spoiled.

[@DougZ73]

Ha, I had that APX Carry Berreta and could not get rid of it quick enough. Only gun I ever bought and truly hated to shoot. WORST trigger I have ever come across.

[@Robertrtg-vc3px]

I can’t lie , I hated the way it shot. I’ve grown much more as a shooter since I’ve owned this pistol. If I had it again today ? Who knows . I bought it when it very first came out.

[@Gunner-ll1zd]

SW gen 1 380 bodyguard might rival this gun for the worst trigger

[@dtreezy]

The nano bu9 is better in almost every way I dont know why they ditched it for this subcompact

[@jerzfiveohthree]

Yeeee 🤙🏾

[@SuperD00D]

Lol LC9S over any APX or Beretta. No thanks bud👍. ​​⁠The apx a0 is the most reliable pistol I’ve ever owned. It also has a wonderful ergos and trigger. Never tried the carry. I just edc the full size, idc..

[@Mark-o2e]

This gun would have been a great seller in 2010

[@MunkyWrench]

Defense means "get off me" thats what defense is.. its get off me while I hide or run away. any more than that is a felony and a life sentence. if your popping off at 100 yards.. thats not defense that prison. why would you talk like a get off me gun is a 2nd or back up. your advice is going to ruin someones life and cost another

[@dannyb9140]

Contrary to popular belief, single stacks are still relevant.

[@mikea.6608]

Bought my dad for Father's Day

[@dridex223]

for $220 there’s not much to complain about, you get what you pay for.

[@BandGeek2210]

Soooo…lm old…59…..l like my plain Jane Glock 43. Why? Well…6 +1…..Small gun…in my pocket….and..goes bang EVERY time. 6+1? Ok….same folks tell me not enough capacity are perfectly ok with a five shot J frame Smith and Wesson. I also live in NJ…….and l can shoot my G43 fine out to 25 yards….15 and in…..more than fine. The 3-3 in 3? Yes….well under the three seconds….and EVERY time l press the trigger….it goes bang. So…G43….the original….Old…not obsolete. Don’t want yours…let me have it. I have the original APX…full size…very good platform.