Short Action Rifle Cartridges That Need A Long Action

[@johnkaraphillis754]

Love the 7saum but due to availability of components, I went with the .280AI few years back and I love it but still want a 7saum. Thanks

[@armassassinstrengthshop]

Just picked up a Defiance deviant XM action specifically for these calibers

[@jpkla5663]

The problem is most rifle manufactures have the wrong size action for calibers such as 6.5x55, 6.5-284 Norma, 6.5-PRC, SAUM's, WSM's etc. The old Mauser 94/96 are a real medium action length, this medium length is what is needed for 6.5x55, 6.5-284 Norma, 6.5-PRC, SAUM's, WSM's etc. Sure there is the Defiance XM custom action at a custom price. There is too many differences from manufacture to manufacture in regards to action length e.g. a Kimber 84L (long action) is nowhere near the length as a Rem 700 LA. The Kimber 84L makes a perfect length for 6.5-284 or .284 Win. However depending on bullet and powder type play a big part on fitting a 284 in a short action. Use of ball powder like Win 6.5 Stabal fixes this easily.

[@iversonironworks]

I just finished building a 284 Winchester off my Springfield M1903A1 action for PRS. (it was a project of what do I have that I can use w/o spending too much & How much can I learn doing everything) and so far its turned out superb, just about to start Load development with it. He is correct in a lot of cases, I could have chosen a variety of others, however the capability of the 284 opens way up when you can seat that bullet further out into a Long Action and I still have gobs of space in the LA (Magnum) Magpul bottom metal (Had to modify it to fit)

[@tjarmand]

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[@johnsimonelli9988]

Always enjoy your video, I know you work hard and I know how hard it is to put video content together because I make KZbin videos now and then. No apologies necessary. Life catches up to all of us. Keep up the good work.

[@timmcfarland3311]

I have the same problem with my 300 RUM. When I load the 245’s-250’s to get the case fill they are 4.15” long and that gets me 3100 fps with no pressure issues. But I want to build a 300 WSM to shoot the Berger 220 grain and I’ll be right around 3.2” give or take so i need a long or I seen medium actin’s that might work.

[@dgarcia7388]

I did a 300 wsm in a long action but getting the magazine to function well has proven to be a challenge

[@YERAFirearms]

I want to convert a SA Howa 1500 308 into a 284 Win and use a no binder MDT magazine with max COAL of 2.955" the barrel would be chambered for long bullets. Barrel would be 28" long 1:7.5 GRTools sim indicated a 180gr High BC bullet can be seated at 2.955" with a matched powder can launch the bullet at 2800fps from the 28" barrel. You mentioned the 284 Win briefly, do you think it is promising idea to do go ahead with the project?

[@Seanconnery1st]

This is a great topic. I do believe though that the Tikka T3/T3x actions tend to run short compared to some American counterparts like the Savage. Granted that becomes irrelevant when using AICS pattern mags. Great topic!

[@hugtango]

Hi thanks for your video. I own a 7 Rem Mag 700. Thinking about rebarreling it. Will the head of the bolt fit a 7SAUM ? Thank you

[@commonsense7787]

World class info in this video. If you just clowned out about “groups” with a good looking woman that can’t shoot this would have 10k comments.

[@jeffreywilson690]

6 mm rem is a nothing one 338/06 with 230 grain too

[@Lure-Benson]

I used many Military and commercial Mauser 98 actions which work fantastic for rifle builds like in the video are needed for such cartridges. I was just in a Pawn shop and sure thing was some 10 Mauser 98s in converted Military to commercial Mauser 98s all under 250 dollars . The parts offered for Mauser 98s is endless making a rifle build on a 98 actions extreme great choice

[@Troutbert]

6.5-284 as saami specs, is a long action cartridge (oal is 3.2 something). The standard 284 can be a standard short but that’s like the saum dilemma.

[@steffen707-]

I couldn't run long bc bullets in my T3x 7rem mag with normal mag lengths but with 7saum in my T3X, I can run the longest bullets and not have a mag length issue. T3x is great for 7saum.

[@steffen707-]

With an aics mag I almost was able to with 7rm,but needed to alter the trigger group, or seat the bullets shorter. I decided the factory magazine was better for a hunting rifle, and decided with the at3X 7saum instead of an aics Tikka 7rm

[@timprice6265]

Like your videos. Sounds like you really know what you're talkin about. Years ago I had a 308 built on a 721 Remington short action. Wanted to reach out further with less thump. Rebarrel to a 6 mm Remington. Consistent headshots well over 400 yards. Decided to blow that out to a 6 mm Ackley. Oops. Tack driver. Krieger Barrel canjar set trigger HS tactical stock. Can only single feed it. 87 VMAX too long. Mitac driving 88 burgers way too long. If I had it to do all over again it would definitely be on a long action. Live and learn. LOL but it will shoot sub half Moa at 500 yards.

[@leeadams5941]

Interesting and timely topic. Presently thinking about taking the 30.06 based .270, 35 whelen, etc. and loading some of the new longer bullets with better BC. My problem is as usual length of the action but more than that length of the magazine. Any suggestions would be appreciated short of having somebody just make a longer mag.

[@treydenfrench7009]

This is something that would be better done with a fast twist 270wsm

[@dennisowen3717]

I'd like your opinion. I have a Savage 111 DBM LongAction in 270 Winchester. I'd like to rebarrel it to a 243 Winchester. Do you know if I could use the 243 in that Savage Long Action and still use the 270 DBM.

[@sascotttx5145]

You mentioned having available space that isn't being used, but there must be other reasons for choosing the short action (cost?), otherwise I would choose the long action every time. The most accurate loads that I've developed for 6.5 Creedmoor and .280 Rem AI are too long for the magazine. I didn't design either of those guns, which is irrelevant because I'm still trying understand the difference in choosing long or short actions. If your COAL is borderline, why would anyone round down?

[@billharvey9959]

Weight

[@Bert2368]

Supposedly, bolt travel distance and speed with which action can be eorked. More real world perhaps, reduced action weight and increased action rigidity.

[@DRHODES1979]

Thanks for all the great content! Quick question for you. What is your cartiage OAL with your 183 and 197 SMK loads? Thanks!

[@mryaj0095]

Thinking of building a 25 sst on a long action.... what type of mag would be needed to be feed proper? Plain 300wm mag or Modified?

[@ediharnys7059]

awesome detailed vid thank you, so i can build the 7 saum off my howa 300 win action ?

[@gunfather83]

Thank you. Yes absolutely.

[@randyzuckerman]

So did in just screw my self by buying a SA chassis I intended for 6.5 PRC? Brandon be to this game and I’d be my first hunting/longer ranger rifle. Literally just got it in the mail yesterday.

[@TheOnsetHunter]

idk man, how much case capicity do you really lose using a short action. How long are you running your bullets? I like to run compressed loads when I can and notice .100 doesnt really make a ton of difference on my capacity.

[@crewtizzle]

Truly miss the content man

[@adityaparam8736]

I've been looking to get into the sport, what's the difference between a Long action, and a Short action?

[@beyondtwominutes]

Size of the cartridge, bolt and receiver/action.

[@jammerlr7780]

No argument that long actions permit the best performance with some cartridges. Problem is, in many cases, there will very frequently be problems getting reliable feed and function when feeding from the magazine. The shorter round has to exit the magazine at a steeper angle to feed up to the chamber. Just something that folks need to keep in mind when planning a build as that can be a real headache in some applications.

[@gunfather83]

Yes. Absolutely true.

[@strengthcourage9149]

I built mine on an XM size. Allows 3.2” mag feed. Plenty of components these days.

[@waynemayle865]

I built my 6.5 x 284 off a long action Savage.

[@hesa3656]

Thank You Sir! You are providing great advice. 👍🇺🇸 #22aday

[@Adamhawk1994]

Bros blasted 😂

[@steffen707-]

Music too loud and distracting at beginning.

[@imankarsidi4043]

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[@billpahlmann4263]

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