Short Hungarian Biocomposite Laminated Bow by Grozer - Review

Great bow by Csaba Grozer, Hungary.
Draw is extremely smooth, no stacking at 30”
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[@MarcRitzMD]

This is a perfect bow review. Calm voice, no overproduced music in the background, clear audio, nice and useful number ON screen, more numbers than you would get from pretty much any other review. perfect.

[@ArminHirmer]

Thank you

[@johnmutton799]

Another of his bows i need! Stunning bow! They look beautiful in natural materials. This is my favourite i think. They are all stunning, but i love the shape.

[@franzdieter7683]

Thank you for this review, i have watched many of your videos and many bows are hard to get right now in the US. This is the bow i chose for my first bow, and i look forward to learning much more from you! I hope it lives up to your recommendation.

[@norbertveseli589]

Grozer.Cs. best manufacturer Horn Bow!!!!👍👍👍🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺

[@s0s0bad]

Brother, let me clear up some doubt I may have sensed. WE ALWAYS WANT TO SEE YOU SHOOT MORE ARROWS. Hope this helps stream line any decision making in future 🙏

[@lorincszabo2452]

Mónus Archery Mónus József Kína 2012,Ergun 653m Flight Shooting- Nazca- Mhit

[@robertgoncz4659]

Józsi jó barátom,büszke vagyok a Magyar Farkasokra!

[@szeklergeneral4266]

there needs to be more grozer bow reviews with armin its fucking awesome

[@Testacabeza]

What a beauty. Thanks for the review Armin.

[@tammynfletcher]

That's the best looking and best shooting Hungarian I've ever seen you review. Biocomposites usually get faster as the break in I own 2 long Turkish bows they became more comfortable to shoot the longer I had them and the draw length gets better also. He does a great job. These bows need to be treated nicely the only downfall is the horn plate can be fragile arrow wieght should in my opinion be around 9 gpp to be safe thank you both for letting us have a look at this beautiful little monster. Thanks for all you do my friend!🎯🎯🎯😁😁😁

[@lorincszabo2452]

Mónus Archery Mónus József Kína 2012,Ergun 653m Flight Shooting- Nazca- Mhit

[@tammynfletcher]

@@lorincszabo2452 I've seen the footage awesome archer is he manufacturing his bows to the public now? I know he used to shoot Grozer for quite a while but I think he has his own builds now. I'd love to see what he's making.

[@lorincszabo2452]

@@tammynfletcher KZbin

[@rlepola]

Bought a horsbow from csaba in 2007. 60p at 26 inches. Got it cheap, because of defects in the gluing of the tips, so the repair with some tendon strings wrapped around the ends has worked fine so far. NO complaints here, even the string is still the original.

[@jamesbariso9507]

My 3 reasons why I should buy : 1: A cute 'Tink erbell' bow 2: reminds me of "the Great Wall movie" 3. We are ' instructed to buy'😉 Maraming Salamat AH!

[@NEMTOMZkr]

Just got the long version of this bow, I love it! Thanks for the review!

[@andychang5888]

Benedek Benko hi I am also interested in the Hungarian biocomposite. How is the bow in term of speed and handshock? Also I know the bow is only as accurate as I can be but in term of point and shoot is it pretty good or more like arrow sprinkler?

[@NEMTOMZkr]

Hi Andy, sorry I just noticed your reply. Mine one is #56 feels quick, but I don’t have equipment to measure speed. I don’t feel handshock too much either the handle is a bit square as Armin said in the video but I got used to it now, I only had it for just over a month yet, I achieved really tight groops with it and broke a few arrows with “robin hood”...

[@jimmyhor78]

Nice review and beautiful bow. The sound is the back end of the arrow hitting the hard horn handle. Notice that it quiets down with side khatra or shooting Mediterranean draw. Btw there is fiberglass in it between the wood and press horn/ sinew layers.

[@ColetteNoir]

Lovely bow!!!! Another review is always welcome, Armin!

[@clear_image_photos5477]

I had to leave my bow at the shop for 5 days to get a string made, ( hes not in on weekends and today is a holiday) and ive been dying to get out and shoot....80°F and sunshine... So i have to take joy in watching others on youtube shoot

[@qutaibahdarussalamarchery8318]

Really beautiful bow

[@tobiasebastiantempella9792]

Wow it's really beautiful

[@humanbeing2009]

Great review. Thank you Armin. Just ordered one!!

[@ArminHirmer]

Thank you for watching John

[@Killianwsh]

Thanks for the great review!

[@Lordfinstermoor]

A very good Review! What a nice bow! I' impressed!

[@trevorjones7450]

I am playing "Catch-Up" today! Yet Another Beautiful Bow from Grozer!! I like the short bows as my draw-length is only 27.5", kind of like my... Attention Span. ; )

[@metaknight5850]

Wow such a good bow, one of the best you reviewed in my opinion

[@lechorlov8713]

I have Grozer short Turkish bow, excellent quality and performance (54) a very powerful horsebow.

[@robsarchery9679]

Nice sound,and nice look.

[@glennc1961]

I have a short 45 # short turkish biocomposite bow from grozer It's an absolute dream whilst shooting Good tip by Armin is to use use a waxed cloth wrapped around the grip when shooting in the summer This works well Definitely grozer makes great bows thumbs up for the advice Armin 😎

[@ArminHirmer]

hehe thanks, please dont use the waxed cloths!! On ATARN they told me that I was wrong with my assumption :D :D I mean it works great, but it was not meant to hahaha

[@glennc1961]

@@ArminHirmer i think i will continue to use the cloth, but please keep it secret 😉

[@bobl.1044]

When you have to move on and you're like "heck to it; I want to play some more" you know it's a good one!

[@kristenwilliams9123]

always entertaining as well as informative haha

[@gizmonomono]

The price is absolutely fair. This is a rare occasion. A horn bow review 😁 In comparison to a laminated bow, how does it feel?

[@ArminHirmer]

not a real hornbow though, but the draw feels way more smooth, like there is nothing to draw :)

[@dr.greenthumb8895]

Gózer make all bows whit hes own two hands! Pro quality.

[@gizmonomono]

@@dr.greenthumb8895 I own a fiberglass bow he made. No complains from me 😁

[@Archerstidbits]

Very nice one, I'd like the lo ger draw even more too I think. Thx for review 😉

[@dmitriyirkit1504]

Эзендер карындаштар ✋✋✋. Туулу Алтай.

[@frankfanelli5700]

I have a 50# Mongolian horsebow. I shoot 400 spine arrows with 100g field tips. Seems to be the sweet spot for me. I am curious if I should add limb savers and/or string silencers?

[@ArminHirmer]

when it works for you like this? why change, on the other side its always good to experiment :)

[@douglassmith3941]

Question: do you get better speed out of Asian bows vs. European bows? (Beautiful bow you are reviewing this video) I want a good hunting bow traditional shooting style with good power but light enough to shoot everyday. Can it be done in lighter pounds draw (35-40 pounds)? What arrows do you recommend for best effect hunting? (I'm assuming you hunt) Deer is the most common hunted animal in this area but also we have boar. What experience do you have in this area? Just curious. I'm trying to learn the Asian thumb ring style of shooting also. I have always shot European style traditional archery. (Longbow and recurve).

[@khairuldanz4111]

I very like that sound😍

[@qg786]

I hear horn bows are more efficient at +70lbs. Currently shooting a 40lbs @ 28" (49lbs @ 31") ottoman bow from alibow (used your promo code 😊👍). I think 2 more bows going up in poundage then I'll probably get a composite bow.

[@ArminHirmer]

the real composite bows, yes

[@lorincszabo2452]

Mónus Archery Mónus József Kína 2012,Ergun 653m Flight Shooting- Nazca- Mhit

[@dr.greenthumb8895]

Grózer makes hunting recurve, 290fps whit 350grain!

[@ArminHirmer]

I know

[@dr.greenthumb8895]

@@ArminHirmer Your bow limbs are from new material, no limbtwisting!

[@ivanmoser3367]

Nice bow.

[@jo_fej7597]

Which do you think is worth more, which is better, an akosbow short Hungarian bow or a Grózer biocomposite laminated short Hungarian bow? Which one is faster?

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

This bow seems made for heavier arrows. The difference in speed was not as big as the difference in the weight of the arrows.

[@faizalnizar8261]

This is an amazing bow and a great review! Secondly, I have watched some others seem like professionals (I don't know to be exact) who say that a string twist is a bad idea when it comes to hornbows because it can twist and affect the alignment of the siyahs and the string.. Which will make us want to keep adjusting after every shot. What is your say on this?

[@ArminHirmer]

the real composite bows are quite wiggly, so yes I would most probably don't do string twist

[@tammynfletcher]

These bows are closer to a laminated bow than a horn bow I shoot mine with pretty hard khatra and haven't had any twisting issues.

[@jeffreyarnold2626]

one of the longer versions in #60 is on my wish list for awhile now.

[@dr.greenthumb8895]

Gózer makes recurve huntingbows, 300fps whit 350grain! Compound speeeeed!

[@zetazsigmond4922]

excellent job, Thank You Armin!

[@foreverjim5240]

No way I have this same bow in 43lbs. I love it, but can't shoot it very well. I also have the asirian in 45 that I shoot much better and deer hunt with. Only change I made was to put tennis racket handle wrap on it. Love the new intro 2

[@silverlions]

Szép íj és gondolom jó is. Jók az arányok.

[@walterward8164]

Hahaha, what was that last minute, I heard Bow envy me think-ith. LOL Nice. Finals test. But would thau resell it.

[@jarridcarter5001]

Does it not hurt your thumb to shoot with no ring or gloves?

[@ArminHirmer]

with this # its okay

[@r.ashutoshsrivatsa5138]

It’s great sir

[@baseermirza2947]

Can u do a review on a grozer biocomposite Turkish bow. I'm looking to get one but am not sure if it's worth it.

[@ArminHirmer]

I guess it's worth it. We have the bow in our new poll on Patreon, maybe he makes it

[@hambone950]

how does this bow compare with nomads horse bow? Im debating about this one vs nomads

[@morleyse]

What is the significance of the 60 degree string angle?

[@ArminHirmer]

important for me, I will do a video about it

[@강세진-q8e]

훌륭합니다~^^ 당신으로 인해 활을 배우게 되었고 활에 대한 자세한 설명!! 높이 평가 하며 존경을 표합니다👍

[@lorincszabo2452]

Mónus Archery Mónus József Kína 2012,Ergun 653m Flight Shooting- Nazca- Mhit

[@cherniqhs]

Love the reviews ! - funny and informative to the bone ! I have one question tho - that shirt looks so comfy for shooting - can you share what it is ?

[@ArminHirmer]

thank you. these are our business shirts, from bargear

[@johnmutton799]

£330 in UK ! YES!

[@artemsi8687]

Very nice Bow ! Great sound in shooting moment Armin Thank you for this Review

[@jedgurley]

Is there a way to make it bit less noisy?

[@ArminHirmer]

Yes, don't use it hahaha. String silencers could work

[@pbase36]

I’m Hungary for one of those bows! Get it, Hungary? HUNGRY ... I’ll go now.

[@zijtsel1]

Just order one.. after cheking the review of couse..😂

[@faizalnizar8261]

I personally feel DURABILITY also should be in your ratings 😅

[@ArminHirmer]

durability is long term, I have this bow just a few days. How could I possible do that. And durability is most likely an issue of how you treat your bow

[@faizalnizar8261]

@@ArminHirmer oh I am very sorry if I wasn't clear. What I meant was that... Say fiberglass bows will be suitable for all kinds of climate and harsh treatment, like say during humid conditions or if it's left strumg for a while... While in the mean time some laminated bows would damage quite easily... And I remember you telling about the asymmetric jackal bow which wild easily snap if it wasnt strung properly. Things like that.. Once again I apologize for not being very clear. Have a good day.

[@nicucrainic8106]

@@faizalnizar8261, sorry but you are talking about of totally out of topics. The fiber glass bows, the laminated bow, the biocompozit bows and the traditional made bows are different classes at all, so is not very proper and fair to compare them. The bows must be compared in their one type and class. Is not fair to compare for instance a fiberglass Manchu Bow with an Assyrian Biocompozit Bow, even is is about the same power.

[@bobl.1044]

@@ArminHirmer Indeed. Watching the video I was, and still am wondering about upkeep and maintenance of this bow: like do the limbs need anything like a light oil rubbing in to keep the layers supple? I'm not counting waxing the string which all bows need of course.

[@kamilozdemir1903]

How long are the siyahs? Are the siyahs working? I cant tell

[@ArminHirmer]

Long, not bending if you mean that

[@kamilozdemir1903]

Armin Hirmer Thank you, that was the main idea. I also wanted a rough estimate of kasan/siyah length so I could take reference for my own bow; but it is fine. You can’t memorise bows😂 I expect. But again you are Armin Hirmer, you might do suprising things.

[@etiennedefrene8819]

Hello, For some time now, I have been shooting with a Short Hungarian Biocomposite grozer bow. I'd love to learn archery with a thumb ring grip. I have been trying for a few months and my arrows are not flying properly. The backs of my arrows always turn to the left when in target. I can't find anyone who can give me advice. Maybe you can help me Thank you in advance

[@ArminHirmer]

Can have a few reasons. Arrows too stiff, release not clean, back muscles not enough engaged….

[@etiennedefrene8819]

@@ArminHirmer Thank you so much. I will hasten to look at his aspects. Chances are, the spin of my arrows is wrong. Thank you again and above all continue your videos, always so interesting

[@davidsalman8362]

Hello Armin, What Good Long Carbon Manchu Arrows do you Suggest? it's Hard to find Carbon manchu arrows on the internet

[@ArminHirmer]

Hi. With Manchu one should shoot heavy arrows, carbon usually does not the job. Alibow has long ones, they use heavy tips to get the needed weight. I would go with bamboo

[@HistoricalWeapons]

dont make me buy annnother bow

[@omahpanah1345]

Greetings Yg Sir, Introduce me Abu Salman Bow maker from Indonesia, Do you deign to leave a review on my bow. and how is it done. Thank you sir

[@ArminHirmer]

Hello. Usually the bowbuilder is sending me the bow he wants me to review, I do the video and can keep the bow

[@omahpanah1345]

@@ArminHirmer Thank you sir, I will send the bow to your address soon, sir. Can you have your contact number and address, sir?

[@lorincszabo2452]

Mónus Archery Mónus József Kína 2012,Ergun 653m Flight Shooting- Nazca- Mhit

[@fire_lord862]

@@omahpanah1345 Itu ada di deskripsi, Kang.

[@jordanlorenz7451]

Armin sometimes you mumble quietly like my opa. 😁 👍.

[@ArminHirmer]

I am your Opa :D

[@jordanlorenz7451]

🤣 Keep up the good work mate!

[@blackbird2524]

Csak én vagyok itt magyar :-)

[@elgecske]

hehe, most mar nem:))

[@bencedobos5439]

Én is

[@jheyarr4721]

It looks like a small manchu bow

[@boci_the_guitarist5072]

So noisy.. Definetly not ninja bow :D

[@bobl.1044]

In that context you'd probably be keeling over when you hear it!

[@frankvanmeter3408]

this guy is not a good shoter

[@ArminHirmer]

Yeah I know I am a bad archer

[@frankvanmeter3408]

@@ArminHirmer But you an honest man.

[@jkre]

There has been lot of talk in the atarn fb croup (asian traditional archery research network) about grozer bio composites. And turns out that he him self has admitted that the sinew is from dried bulls p*nises, whitch are allso used as dog treats, and the pressed horn is actually some kind of plastic fake horn. Well i have one of hes plastic-p*nis bow and i like it, its pretty and quite good.

[@ArminHirmer]

I think they talk more about his Biocomposite 3 models, in which he is using natural glue an so on. Haters gonna hate :) I like to shoot his bows :)

[@jkre]

@@ArminHirmer the proplem with the extra III horn bow was, that it isn't constructed historically accurate. The wooden core is laminated with modern clues and the laminations go over and under the handle, instead of v split like originals. But the main issue is with the bio composite, cus it is sold as pressed horn bow, when it isn't real horn, and the clue layers "fiber strengtening" Is glass fibre laminate. Some people think it means sinew fibers. So it isn't "bio" Cus it is using glass fiber and plastic

[@cumanrider2279]

@@ArminHirmer It is about this type. The debate was not about hating, but about misleading the customers, as the plates are not horn(pressed or whatever) and there is fiberglass not mentioned in the description

[@chriskola3822]

1. Sinew is sinew. Doesn't matter where it comes from. The important part is its tensile strength. 2. I'm pretty skeptical about the horn material being "some kind of plastic". You can scrape or cut a tiny bit of it off (doesn't take much at all) and burn it. Smells like burning hair. Hair is keratin, horn is keratin, plastic smells very different. Try it (I did). Also, FB is toxic.

[@vaportrail226]

Beautiful bow! And the production value is really improving. Thanks!!

[@saurabhpadman2554]

Sir can I order this bow in India? I am looking for this bow in the farms for safety purposes. Can you guid me on this.

[@ArminHirmer]

You can order it from Grozer in Hungary. I don't think there is a reseller in India

[@AA43560]

i wonder if he actually does use any fiberglass or synthetic "strengthener" or if its pure horn and sinew byproduct

[@dr.greenthumb8895]

You can look the bowmakeing tutorial on Gózer KZbin chanel!

[@jkre]

I have grozers biocomposite assyrian, and yes, it is modern fiberglass laminate bow, in disguise. You can clrarly see the fiberglass in it when looking from the side.

[@cumanrider2279]

The so called pressed horn is a completely unnatural material with added horn powder. Admitted recently by Grozr himself

[@dileb112]

Great review! I shoot 4 Grozer bows (the 2 Assyrians, the biocomposite Scyt. and the L2 Tartar) and they are all great, I like them more than anything else I've had the chance to try. Regarding this Hungarian, those ears look like overlayed, not V-spliced, am I right? I wonder if this always means more mass (everything else being equal) and if this brings a noticeable decrese in speed. I also wonder if this was a choice for more historical accuracy (or earlier hungarian bows had overlayed ears and later ones V-spliced?)

[@lechorlov8713]

I had pleasure to meet you up in Malta, and I have Grozer short Turkish bow (54#), far too strong for regulat use. Grozer bows are excellent quality and performance bows.