Shot Put and Discus Technique | Avoid This one Thing and Do this to start throwing Farther Faster!

[@jamesnull2734]

Great vid. ,again. Generally technical only as explanation and examples. I have always taught my students to switch after the throw, what I have learned here and since say the 90's even from master teachers like Mac Wilkins is that the reverse/switch is part of the follow through or what some if us in the West call the recovery. I like the small but crucial delineation of when to switch, and not an argument of switch or not to switch. I do however like the idea of being on the ground as long as possible. Good on ya bro. 😎

[@remmievail3153]

First This will help me out in the coming up season thanks

[@kenmultii]

do you have any tips for javelin, thanks for the videos by the way they are really helpful

[@aretethrowsnation]

Where you taught to jump at the Finish or work the ground?

[@aretethrowsnation]

Work the ground!!!

[@ranithafernando7429]

How to find whether discus or the put will work for me the best?plz reply sir

[@dennistaktarov2485]

i am so confused about this ..my best discus was back in 2006 (39.78) and both my feet were off the ground at the release .next year i come back stronger and i completely messed up (it just wouldnt fly right).i thought maybe i have to change this ,maybe i have to keep my feet on the ground .in my standing throws the ground works ,period ! but as soon as i apply the spin i need to jump .i have also noticed that most women stay on the ground while most men prefer to jump .has that something to do with the weight of the implement ? confusing topic isn't it ...?

[@aretethrowsnation]

dennis taktarov it’s about timing. If you reverse, you’re gonna come off the ground. Key is not to do that too early. Like we mentioned in another video, there’s a window of execution. Learn about the window.

[@andym.900]

In sports, physics theory is mostly, but not always applicable in practice and non static systems. The question of grounded release versus airborne release is an old one and you may have taken a simplistic approach that does not fully explain what happens in real life discus throwing. Read the following reference for more. Maheras, A. (2009). Pros & Cons. The Grounded Release Method Versus the Airborne Release Method in the Discus Throw. Techniques for Track and Field & Cross Country, 3 (2), 38-42.

[@aretethrowsnation]

Andy M. The point here Is to learn to feel the connection to the ground which serves throwers much better than leaving the ground early, as most young throwers do. This is a simple tip because the concept is relevant which is why reversing throwers typically always include non reverse throws inTraining . This isn’t a video about the details of when and how much you come of the ground but rather to help people focus on the right things that will provide benefit quickly in training. . 👍🏼 Thanks for your comment.

[@muenchnerkindl71]

Thanks! Really good video. Exactly with this problem we fight in training. I myself and my athletes. For me it was good to see again, for my athletes really good explanation. Could you please pin a link where buy these "little" balls you have for throwing at the wall when you work with your athletes. I can't find them in Germany.

[@aretethrowsnation]

Birgit Kober glad you liked it! Yes. I’ll post that up soon.

[@andym.900]

That is my point. Mechanics and how they apply on the human body is a big part of throwing and we need to be better students of those items before we develop any technical model. I am not going to elaborate any further, no fury here, good luck with all you do and keep learning.

[@realmiketroyer1700]

You say a whole lot about not getting into the air, but never offer an exercise or solution. "Stay on the ground". Well, yeah, but I have 6 or 7 throwers who CONSTANTLY are leaping/pre-reversing who are told incessantly they need to keep their block foot anchored. Logic isn't working with these guys.

[@itzlilhu8186]

I only listen to 21 savage

[@Punjabsports23]

Sir please a workout schedule idea share according periods pre ,competition , off season how many throws which period weekly or per day or year please I hope u understandand what I want say to u

[@lexstrom8898]

Working the ground as long as possible is a huge benefit, more important in the shot than the discus. Specifically in the shot put, for a right handed thrower, the athlete, to throw to potential or efficiency , needs to Keep the right foot on the ground until the ball passes the toe of the left foot in a verticle plane. When this happens, the left foot is behind the ball, in reference to the direction of the throw, and now becomes the base of the remainder of the fulcrum. Simplified, when an athlete asks the coach, " how long should I keep my right foot on the ground, to use all my throwing forces efficiently?" Your answer should be...kepp it on the ground until the ball passes the toes of your left foot. This info is for a pushing motion. For a pulling motion, your left foot can actually come off of the ground before the right foot, depending upon the style of release the athlete is using. This all depends upon the strength and weaknesses of the athlete.Keep this in mind.....you will never see an athlete, throw to potential, if they do not lift off of their feet at the end of the throw. The pushing motion requires a much more intense vertical motion than a pulling motion does, and it foes not matter what style of pushing you do, glide, rotary, shuffle, etc. Blocking shot putters, will never reach their throwing potential, unless they have a physical abnormality that will not allow them to perform the lifting and reversing motion.

[@donnykitsune5707]

Sorry I didn’t watch the clip but once I flunked badly doing this, someone gave me the tip to “look high into the distance “ is this a good tip?

[@andym.900]

In this case, you could leave physics explanations out of the discussion, both because the kids probably will not understand and also because the explanation may not be adequate.

[@aretethrowsnation]

Andy M. I hear your argument but respectfully disagree. I deal with application all the time. My 65m discus thrower was always elevating to soon. When he finally understood the timing he stayed connect longer and went 65.48. Same is true of my 40m discus throwers and 30 meter throwers. When they lose ground contact, they lose friction and thus can’t generate as much force off the ground. That’s not theory, that’s application. And I. General my philosophy is to simplify complex concepts so that kids do in fact understand this isn’t about opinions, they are dealing with application of science. So far. We’ve had a lot of successful throwers with very sound fundamentals and many who have exceeded what many though they could do and if just a few people are motives to look into the science more... mission accomplished. Happy thanksgiving and thanks for taking to time to share your feedback. It’s much appreciated.

[@andym.900]

(to anyone)......and what makes one think that from 65.00 to 65.48 was because of "timing" and not something else? Did one keep everything else the same? To attribute improvements in distance (of .48 m?) to a certain factor when the control of the myriad other factors is basically impossible, is not wise. It may be due to that certain factor but one simply does not know. Also, science is all about experiments. Anyone, please supply experiments that have examined the role of "friction" in discus throwing. I would be glad to have them. On the other hand, if we base our claims on what "seems" to be right and we throw a physics word here and there, this is not science. As nebulous as the evolution of discus throwing and the other throwing events has been over the years, where many dynamic aspects and dynamic inter-relations are still not well (i.e., for sure) understood, one should be very careful in what they preach and refrain from making-up things to explain other things. It does not work that way. Moreover, young kids improve, that is what they do. No one knows how much they can improve and I am not sure who the "many" are, that they had opinions as to how well any kid may do. This does not seem like a wise baseline to assess any future progress. Finally, I would again recommend the reference I listed elsewhere so one can learn about some of the aspects that we do know about (experimentally) regarding the final stages of discus throwing. No reply to this is necessary, except for any questions anyone may have.

[@aretethrowsnation]

Andy M. Not sure what has caused so much fury on your end. It was a simple reference. To the concept that trying to throw in the air will diminish power. The explanation of going to 65m was from 61-62m to 65m. timing and all those things certainly played a role. We always experiment. But to say Throwing isn’t about physics. That’s an interesting position. Physics, biomechanics, kinematics. That’s really all the throw is. Then you just learn how to move and people don’t just get better. They get better because they learn better technical patterns and as they develop they develop their own unique style that makes them better over time. One thing is for sure. Different technical models can work. But a technical model is necessary to develop. working the ground doesn’t need explanation of friction because being on the ground vs in the air was the main thesis here. And I can confidently say allowing throwers to go up early has not resulted in increased performance. So again thanks for your comments and it is clear you do not agree. But for anyone reading. Try it for yourself and let that be the deciding factor. I think most will agree with what’s in this video (from an application standpoint) the intention here is to provide some help and I think we’ve done that. I too disagree with people. But I respect their success and their process that produces success. It’s ok to disagree. And it’s good to be open to other perspectives. Because like you mentioned there are lots of things that factor in. This is simply one of those factors that has allowed our program and club to produce consistent success year after year. Best of luck to you.