Visit www.kampfkunst.jens-lorenzen.com for more videos and pictures. -- Jiyu Kumite. Recorded during our Dan-examination with Namiki-Sensei in Dahmen, Germany, 2012.
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@kentrobison5884 жыл бұрын
I was taught to always look in front of the opponent's chest and not eyes so I could see the kicks coming.
@norsendo65324 жыл бұрын
Kent Robison great advice
@norsendo65324 жыл бұрын
Kent Robison but when I spar girls its gonna make me look like a creep 😂
@Kevinino14 жыл бұрын
Was always taught to look at the eyes so I could see where the dude is planning to hit me at.
@blue0eyes0knight4 жыл бұрын
@@Kevinino1 even for boxing the eyes should look no higher than the chest/shoulder area
@user-xv7sl2gt9c4 жыл бұрын
You are wrong because if u look someone in his eyes you can see all his body moves
@andreek85598 жыл бұрын
Explosiveness, combinations, exactly right. Great guys. Osu.
@nbk31327 жыл бұрын
Andree K this karate sparring is not full force to the head right??
@andreek85597 жыл бұрын
aZn k1NgZ no karate style has full force to the head. There is one full contact karate style, kyukushin, a d they don't do headshot with hands at all. That is because that style fights bare knuckle. Headshots would cut the fighters up and make every match a big mess.
@nbk31327 жыл бұрын
Andree K i mean a karate sparring not a match is it full force to the head
@saintrow847 жыл бұрын
aZn k1NgZ no a karate sparring its not fully force to the head without helmets but if is in the match it would be full force in karate kumite match
@churchhymnsandpsalms3 жыл бұрын
I watched the first half and was going to comment how ridiculous this video was... then they got down to business. Excellent sparring video demo.
@matthewliambird3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@ekku19792 жыл бұрын
Still ridiculous
@Tuberculosispulmonarcronica8 ай бұрын
@@ekku1979ponte a pelear tu sin guantes ni protectores de ningún tipo a ver si te parece ridículo
@ignaciotroubleramos86487 жыл бұрын
started training shotokan karate at the age of six years old i was inspired by watching chuck norris and bruce lee movies 👊😎👊
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too but this weird club called it “Shoto Budo”. They made me feel good about myself, made friends etc. Unfortunately it did nothing to prepare me for actual fighting. That part was bullshit and they knew it too because they over-explained everything. I got my arse kicked at 10 years old. Not badly, but I was humiliated at how unprepared I was. When I discovered things like boxing, BJJ and must Thai I probably learned more in a fortnight than I had in 5 or 6 years of kicking the air a few times a week. Now, decades later KZbin has confirmed that this delusional mystical martial arts stuff still goes on. Fighters will always have the edge over this flicky, tappy, sissy stuff like in this video. There’s no magical, mystical stuff going on in karate that fighters are alluding either. If you feel good about yourself because of karate or aikido or whatever - that’s great. Just make sure to avoid fighting. Run away, avoid the situation completely, because you are not prepared
@michaelterrell50613 жыл бұрын
@@CursedWheelieBin Sigh. Just because you happened to go to an absolutely garbage shotokan Karate school(probably here in the U.S) does not mean that no shotokan karateka knows how to fight. I mean did Lyoto Machida teach you nothing?
@michaelterrell50612 жыл бұрын
@Abinanta Maheswara Honestly it seems like more of a U.S thing, but I’ll bet they exist everywhere.
@Solemn_Kaizoku6 жыл бұрын
No disrespect, but these guys looked more like hula dancers for the first half of the video.
@ninthkaikan15444 жыл бұрын
~Solemn Kaizoku This was a sport karate style sparring. In Okinawa, there is much more contact. A good example for full contact Karate is Kyokushin and Uechi Ryu
@El_Mortificador4 жыл бұрын
SquaredPotentia OH OH OH 😯 so what is it in karate where you fucking presser test it instead of playing pi jama hula soy boy dance?
@ninthkaikan15443 жыл бұрын
EVENSteven 003 Many old karate schools pressure test their techniques and have bunkai, the application of the forms and katas. Karate was created as a method of self defense. Yeah, the sport karate and jumping up and down won’t work. Hope that helps!
@ninthkaikan15443 жыл бұрын
Practical Tma Yes. If you look at the “blocking” techniques that were never meant to be using for that reason. The chambered arm’s application is actually pulling your opponent.
@kyle-hz8uc3 жыл бұрын
In my class it’s for focus and prediction
@felipearantes77592 жыл бұрын
Tradicional karate is fantastic
@hectorlopez48382 жыл бұрын
Buen video!! Técnicas de combate de muy buen nivel , tratando de mantener la buena aplicación de la técnica. Estiló tradicional y elegante. Muy bien!!
@michaelmedel24499 жыл бұрын
1:18 is the best part
@qwerqwer99396 жыл бұрын
Michael Medel hahah 😂 karate is awesome
@phx4closureman5 жыл бұрын
*Ya can't hit what ya can't see*
@WadeSmith-oe5xd5 ай бұрын
I was about to complain about the first minute, but then they started fighting for real. This was pretty good actually: Better than a lot of supposed 'karate' sparring demos.
@davymagnopena86706 жыл бұрын
nossa!! o video ficou muito bem feito .
@jrexx28415 жыл бұрын
They literally just danced in the first 30 seconds
@kyle-hz8uc3 жыл бұрын
That’s not dancing, that’s focus, warming, and prediction.
@felipearantes77592 жыл бұрын
@@charliehustle3105 remenber lyoto my friend and Vitor belfort too!
@burgundy69338 жыл бұрын
why are there hands almost always dropped at the beginning, that would be an easy meakuzuki point rt
@seanbarker92723 жыл бұрын
Where the hell are you training it looks so cool
@TheLeviathanFilm2 жыл бұрын
This is an old shed in Germany
@Kyojuro___Rengoku3 жыл бұрын
I think they have a big influence of sports karate and lack sparring sessions and try using traditional techniques if you use them for the show only i think you missed the path
@sandeepdewatstubelife3 жыл бұрын
Very Impressive
@duriedbawadkji53953 жыл бұрын
Ok now let’s see u fighting with Kyokushin
@OzekiTK3 жыл бұрын
1:17 nice side step, gotta punish with the db+2 tho
@mytekkenstory18753 жыл бұрын
Oh tekken fan? Haha
@downup-fx7wr4 ай бұрын
These dads just love their beers too much, decided to buy those belts and uniforms in walmart and was like hey let's make a youtube video. Lol go home
@bentekena32916 ай бұрын
from the way they fight to their stances is quite diffrent from kyokushin, more than i thought but this was still and excellent sparring session
@Blazingcomentz9 жыл бұрын
This is what I've been looking for, this is what karate is suppose to look like!!
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
Flicky, tippy tappy sissy fighting? Yeah you’re not wrong
@juancosta89773 жыл бұрын
How many times are you gonna comment the same thing? Get a job ffs
@AmbroseBoaBowie5 жыл бұрын
Do you punch to the head in Shotokan?
@samuelhasmujaj27764 жыл бұрын
American Berserker yes but I don’t think you hit each other in the head while sparring.
@choconectar22844 жыл бұрын
Yeah. But if anything goes to the head, it's either a kick or a chop.
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
@@samuelhasmujaj2776 When a violent criminal attacks you - just tell him you’re a karate expert and that he’s not allowed you hit you in your empty head
@vinirafael42053 жыл бұрын
@@CursedWheelieBin You aren't allow to hit the head only in sparring, smartass
@gretashapiro41184 жыл бұрын
Cool to see
@pablotiengo34263 жыл бұрын
this is shiai kumite?
@Liquidcadmus6 жыл бұрын
Great speed! osu!
@instanthellmurderer3 жыл бұрын
No equipment, no dancing or shuffling. Just straight old school traditional sparring.
@_alexrocha2 жыл бұрын
Stupid comment. Funakoshi, Mabuni and so on never incentivate this kind of dumb sparring. =) ...maybe Motobu Choki but that's another history.
@AyeJordan7 Жыл бұрын
@@_alexrocha don’t forget kenwa mabuni.but I think motobu did Bogu Sparring.it’s karate full contact sparring something they did back in the day look that up.they knew kata and Kumite were connected.A lot of grappling and clinching
@Elhombresanchez3 жыл бұрын
Is 40 years old to late in life to learn Shotokan Katate?
@seanbarker92723 жыл бұрын
Mate what a dumb question
@instanthellmurderer3 жыл бұрын
Never.
@TheLeviathanFilm2 жыл бұрын
Never.
@giocellofamily2676 Жыл бұрын
Good
@robjohnson11894 жыл бұрын
The moves are different, but it has the same explosiveness as the Pak mei kungfu I train in!
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
Be sure to use a tissue when you’re done stroking yourself 🤣
@franksiliati39262 жыл бұрын
@RoboTurkeyNinja I can tell your not a Martial artist by the way you responded.
@alfiemoss35386 жыл бұрын
No Guard???
@qwerqwer99396 жыл бұрын
Alfie Moss They do have a guard. They’re fast enough to block punches
@ramirosuarez41413 жыл бұрын
That's a guard actually, like the old schools boxers i0.wp.com/momentodeportivord.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Dixon-1.png?w=600&ssl=1
@jaykecraig67083 жыл бұрын
This is not a good look for shotokan im disgusted that it took so long for them to start the kumite you can see the fighters have great skill and techniques but imagine if they were standing there against a kyokushin fighter i think in all seriousness karate kombat maybe the anwser karate needs and more intense kombat even if the kumite is only one round for 3 mins but id like to say osu and thank you guys for your hard work and dedication towards our arts
@TheLeviathanFilm2 жыл бұрын
You know that this video is not in real time, right?
@sramdeojohn44282 жыл бұрын
Funikochi once noted: Each Shoto Kata is to be practice for at least 3 years. (Paraphase) Those who practice shotokan (Karate) for sports/competition or showmanship has lost their way and has turn aside to other paths. (This is just my personal opinion)
@kiarce3 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. Point karate makes the whole art look bad. But it is cool to do like when your having fun with friends
@fenrisunchained Жыл бұрын
Had me worried for a second. Then it got good. 👍
@RottemEyez2 жыл бұрын
Is this an indian TV show?
@hamburgermanwitch79943 жыл бұрын
probably because it'll be painful to get punch in the face without gloves on that's why they hesitating.
@MrDeano-eu9rg3 жыл бұрын
Then tgeybshould just wear gloves. This still looks impractical.
@buddylove67182 ай бұрын
These guys will destroy a kenpoist
@AyeJordan72 ай бұрын
I mean even the majority of ppl who do that can’t fight 😂😂
@orlandopalmer74976 жыл бұрын
I notice you have a lot of arm chair expert fighters
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
That’s all karate people are
@dutchprepper59324 жыл бұрын
.. i have 1 degree brown belt but at age 50 It is strange to fight 16 year old guys..
@mykaratejournal21204 жыл бұрын
If you have a brown belt and are still training at age 50, you have my respects, sir. I am a 3Kyuu, Brown Belt myself. Come check out my channel whenever you have the time and let's connect to expand our knowledge together. OSU!!
@miserymidnight63512 жыл бұрын
Age is just a number, Sir. Atleast you can still pursue your passion. You're such an inspiration to me. Osu!
@larissadequeiroz92807 жыл бұрын
oss
@steve-us2hg3 жыл бұрын
This is not Okinawa
@falconstar00756 жыл бұрын
Hopefully they know jiu jitsu because once one of these people get taken down they won't be able to do anything but it would be good if they paired this up with jiu jitsu or something similar
@notanorthkoreanspy6856 жыл бұрын
My shotokan place does a bit of grappling. Nothing compared to what bjj guys do obviously, but then again most people don't do bjj.
@SM-ht7qf5 жыл бұрын
falconstar 007 I know
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
They don’t. Guaranteed
@vogelfaenger68302 жыл бұрын
half of them did bjj
@dkb2019987 жыл бұрын
0:56 uh...
@HasanWarrior5 жыл бұрын
They didn’t really want to fight.
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
They don’t know how to
@DoomGuy-kf8fv4 жыл бұрын
This is why you don’t train a self defense martial art at a mcdojo, sad to see a fantastic martial art degraded into a limp dance competition
@swishkris993 жыл бұрын
So tired of lame troll comments like this one. Useless.
@momohachiken39605 ай бұрын
Did you see the second half?
@hamiltonantunes3032 Жыл бұрын
Isso é karate
@Mongoosemcqueen5 жыл бұрын
If anyone spars on hard wood flooring it is very dangerous, if a KO or knockdown happens they could die hitting their head on a hard surface, any time you see this you know very little force is being used in sparring and its LARP
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
I think the damage to their brains has already been done. Play fighting. It’s all it is
@IngeniusFool9 жыл бұрын
Holy cow o.O
@timblaylark560510 жыл бұрын
Osu!
@9a6pkt7 жыл бұрын
REI/OSU!
@megvagy16793 жыл бұрын
it's a joke , nőt a fight... the fight is the KYOKUSHIN fight...
@instanthellmurderer3 жыл бұрын
Maybe. But remember, Kyokushin came from Shotokan.
@MultiPcExpertGhost Жыл бұрын
🥶shiver my timbers
@cristofercabrera99455 жыл бұрын
Por favor díganme que esto no es karate por favor. ..
@thanhphongluu20343 жыл бұрын
Kumite katas sparing schwör
@kriegerwolf52224 жыл бұрын
Oh man, bis da bloß einer zur Sache kommt !
@aleksandrmaklakov66679 жыл бұрын
Равно
@adamboof67693 жыл бұрын
Cool. Now lets see these guys fighting a Nak Muay
@honigdachs.3 жыл бұрын
You want them to fight chinese food?
@okish023 жыл бұрын
Why so open in the stances . We would smoke these guys in Kung fu
@edabreu78715 жыл бұрын
The more u pull your punches, the more likely u won’t hit hard enough when u need it. The fight is won by the guy who connects with the hardest punch
@SwordOfS3 жыл бұрын
No offence, but a decent boxer.... For the record I am a shotokan black belt. But these guys don't know how to fight. They don't know how to take a hit. That's as important as hitting. Also bad positioning. Only my opinion of course.
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
That’s why I quit that nonsense when I was 11 and learned how to actually fight and/or restrain people. Not a scratch on me after working on the door of pubs, clubs and am now a prison officer. People who perform this play fighting stand no chance against a violent criminal looking to hurt them, and they know that deep down
@john-mv6mi2 жыл бұрын
@@CursedWheelieBin trained with Steve cattle annd Terry o Neil in Liverpool, Steve has now passed away, Terry still going, no nonsense, enjoy your life sentence
@aarona70416 жыл бұрын
This is the stuff that beats bjj krav maga and street fighting
@SM-ht7qf5 жыл бұрын
Aaron T I think this is how you get your ass kicked
@ciscokid12145 жыл бұрын
krav maga yes but most times graplers beat strikers
@mykaratejournal21204 жыл бұрын
No it doesn't. No art beats another art. Better or more trained artists beat less trained artists. Period.
@bl4z3_mc233 жыл бұрын
karate is great but brazilian jiu jitsu is one of the most effective combat styles upon this planet . There is no superior art , there is superior martial artists
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
@@mykaratejournal2120 You see that everyone? He said “artists” instead of fighters to make us believe there’s some mystery and magic to his bullshit. Don’t buy into it. I think what he meant to say was that the person with more advantages usually wins. Just....astounding wisdom
@1joskapista2 жыл бұрын
😂
@nuribanconstantino20123 жыл бұрын
karate kumite without blood weird.
@rayb74022 жыл бұрын
lol
@ChrischrosBelgium5 жыл бұрын
They are great at karate, that is it. It has nothing to do with fighting. This will not help you if you have a kickboxer, boxer, muay thai fighter, in front of you. I've trained karate for years until i realised it was crap.
@JIUJITSUMAN225 жыл бұрын
Did you hit someone with a reverse punch on the troath, a mae geri on lower belly, a karate chop on side of the nech or a yoko geri on the knee ? you will use gloves on a street fight ?
@drjonesjrjr5 жыл бұрын
Is that why lots of kickboxers and MMA fighters have backgrounds in karate?
@georgekondylis67235 жыл бұрын
I like this sparring mostly. Have done decades of similar type sparring. Unfortunately, I do agree that a good boxer could take apart most of these black belts in a fight or sparring match. Best of both worlds: Hands up fighting without being slack jawed. Tuck the chin and combine good boxing with this. As for striking the throat and other nasty type techniques, what makes you think a boxer can’t do them even better?
@valandil74545 жыл бұрын
Karate was the chosen martial art of the Japanese army when they took China, just like Jujutsu was used before that when they were armoured up on battlefields and Judo was created after to keep the people in order without hurting them You can't if you have any sense say any of it isn't effective and in any fight even against an untrained opponent it depends how good YOU are not which style you chose These guys are good and they're 'sparring' to prove they can anticipate and take an opportunity with explosive speed while maintaining their defence to get their next grade
@arepitagrande87974 жыл бұрын
This means you didn' study the technique of karate enough. Karate was used in ancient times on Okinawa and Japan to survive fights of live and death. Everybody who critizes Karate should think of this!
@johnnywebb86963 жыл бұрын
Zzz... -.-
@I_luv_my_fans8 ай бұрын
Karate loses its form when executed in real life situations. Looks just like punches thrown. Ineffectively. No power behind them
@imdoc78726 жыл бұрын
BS art. Im a shodan in this and it is not an effective style. I love the katas though.
@STARSILVER075 жыл бұрын
Shotokan is efective style
@mykaratejournal21204 жыл бұрын
@IMDOC78, are you talking about your art or this martial art in general? I have seen many other artists of this style and their art was so mesmerizing and ferocious at the same time that it made me fall in love with Shotokan Karate.
@instanthellmurderer3 жыл бұрын
Ditto
@marekmaxpabianice7 жыл бұрын
this is so bad it is hard to watch... you spend like 7 years earning a black belt and you have no clue how to fight... so sad...
@govou30007 жыл бұрын
You can go out there and challenge them for a quick sparring sesh. Let us know how it goes lol
@danielreid34767 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, sparring in just about any karate class has little if any bearing on actual fighting. In most systems it's essentially a game of tag. Not completely useless, but not really helpful either. There are some exceptions to this, but not many.
@JavierIAcuna7 жыл бұрын
Even sadder is the fact that you equate having a black belt in Shotokan Karate to being a fighter. Having a black belt for the first 3 degrees only means that you know the philosophy of the way of the empty hand. Like a bachelors degree at a university, it only states that you have a general sense of knowledge on a specific academic theme. Karate is more than just kick-punch combinations; if you are into martial arts for the sake of fighting, then joining one of those MMA gyms is probably what people should do. If what you seek is profound understanding of discipline, respect, courage, and the endeavor of excellence, then Karate-do is an excellent option.
@mykaratejournal21204 жыл бұрын
@@JavierIAcuna wow .. very well said. I must say yours is one of the most sensible comments I have read on KZbin in a long time.
@JavierIAcuna3 жыл бұрын
@@southtxguitarist8926 I did actually, have a 2nd Dan blackbelt in Shotokan Karate and tried MMA for 2 years. It is definetly a very different training experience and culture. In my experience, MMA teaches a plethora of useful techniques that will help you grow as a well rounded fighter; think of it as a jack of all traits. (I learned a lot from it, Specially when it comes to jiu jitsu and take downs, which Shotokan lacks). It is a shame that a fellow karateka failed to refrain from violent behavior (part of our Dojo kun). That said, by the description you wrote, it seems like the guy suffered from a mental illness; would not surprised me if he used karate-do to help aliviate his issues.
@phx4closureman5 жыл бұрын
0:52 *Zzzzzzzzz* 😲😲😲😲
@frontrunner81394 жыл бұрын
Nonsense...
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
It makes me angry cos I was lied to by these karate-types as a child. By the time I discovered boxing, BJJ and Muay Thai in my late teens - I couldn’t believe how gullible I had been to throw on pyjamas every week and trust fat, lazy BS artists for so long. Now I realise it was an ego chamber for lazy people who don’t wanna work for anything
@frontrunner81393 жыл бұрын
@@CursedWheelieBin I know 3 karate guys who battered EVRRYONR on the street and on the doors....no best style,best people....
@frontrunner81393 жыл бұрын
But these guys conditioned themselves immensely when younger,competed and sparred flat out....they also boxed with a heavyweight champion to learn how to take big head blows but when it came down to it they could apply their wado karate and outfought EVERYBODY...nobody messed with them...
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
@@frontrunner8139 That has less to do with pyjamas and belts and more to do with them being good at violence. I’ve heard this all before pal. “Oh but but but I know this guy who knows a guy and he says .....” It’s bullshit
@CursedWheelieBin3 жыл бұрын
@@frontrunner8139 Why would they “batter everyone on the doors”? The job is to provide security and refuse entry to ...sigh...... fuck this
@Jaronekv3 жыл бұрын
This was boring. Barely any contact made
@alanthearabguy11687 жыл бұрын
shit :)
@rak19792 ай бұрын
Херня какая то,руки опущнны, ладони разжаты..кто им пояса выдал
@dedameda1993 жыл бұрын
B S 👎🤧
@AlterSchwede7424 ай бұрын
booring
@devildog7345 Жыл бұрын
So, this is supposed to be karate? This is supposed to be a martial art? How many fights have you seen like this in real life? Karate originated in Okinawa and remained in Okinawa for centuries. Along came the JKA and corrupted the general syllabus of karate with tournaments, contrived and unnatural techniques and general training nonsense. Then along came the west and added more nonsense plus really ignorant and adulterated techniques. The entire corrupting evolution has changed original karate into non-karate. If I pour water into a glass and then add some tomato juice, I no longer have pure water. The same applies to karate, outside changes defile it and it is no longer karate at all. This is not karate, it is just ignorantly but purposefully called karate.