Should Authentic Jerseys and Game Worn Mean the Exact Same Thing?

I don't think they have to be the same. Here is a link to Rick Westhead's tweet about the class action suit. / 1516127886243151883
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[@gcnd9031]

The issue is that you, as an expert, may know the difference, but the average customer doesn't. It needs to be made clear.

[@JJCanucks]

Hes definitely not an expert. He collects replicas. Quantity over quality

[@buzzsaw1000]

Yeah, they probably should clarify a bit, but I wouldn't call it an egregious error, I just hope it's not a crazy high dollar amount, because that just translates to higher prices later

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

100% this. I'm betting they settle and change the descriptor.

[@bookshelf5759]

I almost bought an “Authentic” and I thought it meant that it could be worn on ice. Adidas must make it clear on the website and on the tags.

[@MrBestvirginia]

lol how do - now, all the sudden - they have to make it clear?! It's not like with the Rebook era everybody knew what the heck he was buying. There were Premiers (Not every shop used this term, most of them just called them replicas so there was already a way to confuse customers there), then there were Indo-Edge and Edge 2.0. There's no way that every customer - without being into the "hockey jersey game" - knew 100% of the time what he/she was buying, so why make a big deal with Adidas now? As stated above, the chance to confuse customers was even higher with Rebook jerseys

[@somewheredec]

Yes "Authentic" should mean a brand new one can go to a rink and be worn by the player that night in a game without issue. "Game worn" means actually worn in a game. Any differences otherwise make's it a discount/ replica jersey period. I really only purchase Authentic and keep them clean and generally don't wear them. I buy fanatics types replica's to spill beer on and ketchup on for games.

[@Jghost11]

This is what I agree with as well. Authentic should mean the same cut/material as the players. I would be fine with there being 3 or 4 tiers of Sweater/Jerseys. Have Authentic be the top, Premium Replica as the current ones, Replica (without any additional prefix/suffixes), and maybe some other way called Athletic Replica where it is good material but no where near the specifications of the on ice product but could be used at events or street play. (They could decide between pricing on the last two but basically they would be easy to clean/repair/replace if they got dirty).

[@alexandermilentis2130]

Exactly,! It's confusing when the "authentic" is technically a replica jersey. Especially when you have a fight strap on a jersey that isn't actually what they wear on-ice. Such a stupid concept.

[@MrBestvirginia]

"make's; replica's" lmao, people throw in apostrophes into every single word nowadays

[@scevda]

This clarified the “levels” of jersey for me and I can say I would be one of those that pays 450$ for a Pro Stock of my captain Avalanche jerseys. That said, it would be a once a decade purchase.

[@buzzsaw1000]

Exactly, I would make them preorders kinda like geeky jerseys

[@Daniel-36]

I plan on buying a Winnipeg jets team issued jersey. And trust me I have about 13 jerseys and that is by far the most I’ll ever spend on a jersey and it will be the only on ice jersey I’ll probably ever buy

[@fijianstallion]

When I hear authentic I expect it to be worn by athletes otherwise it should be branded replica.

[@Apartex3260]

I feel like I may be able to weigh in with some useful information here. I crest jerseys for the Toronto Maple Leafs (+Raptors and other MLSE teams) team store (Real Sports Apparel), and I've worked with the game worn equipment and jerseys in my time there as well. There is a definite difference between "authentic" and pro-stock jerseys, as you mentioned with the dimpled shoulders and the stitching quality, the material also just feels a bit rougher, most likely more durable. We do have blank team issued jerseys (pro stock) that we normally sell for 300, team issued of outdated players will usually sell for 400, and then from there it will depend on whether it is team issued or game worn, and the play number on it. In terms of the lettering, we specifically order all our letters from Silver Crystal, while traditionally only having 1 layer letters (just the nature of the jerseys), the new 3rd jerseys, flipside, next gen, bieber jerseys, whatever you like to call them dose use double layered numbers. I guess on a team to team basis it would depend on where they source their letters and if they crest all of their jerseys, custom or stock, in house as we do at MLSE. I crested a Marlies jersey the other day, and it felt much more like a pro-stock Adidas rather than an "Authentic", so for us I think the Authentic CCM jerseys are either pro-stock or at least extremely similar to pro-stock, but not sure about other teams around the AHL. Side piece about your small hoodies tangent, the Fanatics hoodies and shirt, and I think some hat styles, are the actual locker room apparel the team gets, we have tons of Fanatics hoodies with player numbers slapped onto them, its the one thing that is Fanatics branded that is truly Authentic. Happy to answer any questions people have if I missed any points, hope I could provide some useful insight!

[@noahgeen8465]

I was wondering, if I have a blank jersey that I would like crested, would Real Sports Apparel be the place to bring it for “Authentic” numbers and lettering?

[@Apartex3260]

@@noahgeen8465 Yeah, of course! It depends a little bit on the jersey and what you want, but for the most part it should be no problem.

[@noahgeen8465]

@@Apartex3260 thanks so much for your response! I’ll have to check it out!

[@Ohhelmno]

The nature of selling it as authentic leads people to believe it’s the same product as the players are wearing. A lot less people would be buying “authentic” if they knew it wasn’t the same thing. I don’t own almost any jerseys, and mostly that’s because I want one that could actually be worn in a game. They’re damn expensive and more than that, rare. I still have a pro stock Fedorov jersey that I won in a contest and that is my pride and joy. The one thing I’ll say is a lot of these jerseys are more reasonable in price, now. I remember having to pay like $300 us for a jersey with a fight strap and now you can get an adidas one with one for like $180, but you do find often they’re not on ice correct. Even if they weren’t made in Canada, I’d be fine with that… as long as they were otherwise identical to the on ice product. The labor is what’s cheaper in Indonesia so I get that’s why mostly, so that’s where they save money… but then why do we also get inferior product materials sometimes too? It’s very inconsistent depending on where you get them.

[@mjtt12]

I don't want to call my self stupid or mislead... I bought an "AUTHENTIC PRO" jersey with the fight strap at Pro Hockey Life and believed that it was the "pro stock" or what they wore on the ice. I'd like to call myself more than a casual fan but I feel like a lot of people are mislead by this topic.

[@InfinteIdeas]

I would be fine if the MiC were made to order and took longer, but not allowing us to buy MiC is bullshit

[@Wexter0083]

That would actually be rather nice. It is win-win because they're making these things anyway for players so getting an extra 100-1000 ordered over a year as made to orders would not break the bank. Just set an expectation that the jersey might take a month to make. I mean that is how tailored suits work. :) That sounds like a really simple solution just add a special listing on the NHL store that links you to an order form.

[@Christoph5782]

The fight strap is probably the only real misleading part of it as it has no purpose for any fan, and a consumer could reasonably come to the conclusion that it hence must be the same jersey that is game ready/worn. Especially with that sudo reverseable Leafs Jersey when the fight strap only takes away from the jersey and makes it even less reversible

[@fjbfuckjoebiden8548]

It does help buying real adidas jersey. Because they never get those right the people who make fake jerseys.

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

"a consumer could reasonably come to the conclusion that it hence must be the same jersey that is game ready/worn." and that's enough for Adidas to lose the lawsuit lol

[@ccccc33333]

Why not sell made in Canada at retail? Simple.. Made in Canada means they aren't made in sweatshops by people making nearly nothing... And since they are made in sweatshops (probably by children) in Indonesia, the NHL can make profits selling them (still overpriced) but for as cheap as $200...

[@loganapple6928]

I spotted quite a few blank MiC’s at the Preds team store last week, was walking outside the arena and the shoulder dimples was how I was able to spot them so easily through the window. Walked inside and was amazed at the price I saw. Selling for the same price as the blank indo-thentic jerseys, which was $194.99 USD. Had a $100 gift card for the team store too so snagged me a size 56 MiC for just south of a $100. I do wish adidas would make an effort to sell the actual product the players wear. Nike does that with all MLB, NFL, and NBA jerseys. I have several MLB jerseys just like the on field specs and I just appreciate it more knowing it’s truly “authentic” the way it should be

[@MrBestvirginia]

damn, maybe i need to fly out to Nashville haha, jk. Do they have an online store by any chance?

[@osgood30fan]

I get what your saying about the meaning of the word authentic. The issue I think is for every manufacturer before listed the for sale jerseys as replica, and authentics were the style the players actually wore. But Adidas went ahead and called their replica authentics and added the fight strap and the replicas were the Fanatics, so now there are 3 tiers of jerseys. I knew it was actually a replica and I actually like the fight strap on the jersey personally but I can see how for some it caused confusion and they feel they were mislead. Another thing about pricing. I don't know exactly what the quality and pricing difference is between Pro Stock Adidas NHL and CCM AHL jerseys are but at the equipment sale they sell game issued/worn jerseys for $400 and on the tag of game issued jerseys that were never worn the listed price is $250 and that is the listed value for auctions so you can write off anything above that for charitable donations in taxes.

[@Ohhelmno]

The dots are to make the fabric more breathable… makes it easier to cool down when you’re sweating.

[@stjn14]

No I'm on board with the lawsuit, For all of jersey buying history until Adidas... authentic meant it was made in Canada and is the same jersey that the players wear on the ice. When I bought my first Adidas I bought it paying way more money than I normally would for a replica because I thought it was the same as the on ice jersey. The fight strap is part of the deception because before Adidas that is how the consumer knew it was an authentic on ice jersey or not. So creating a replica that had the fight strap was to fool people into thinking they were buying something they were not. Since then I have bought more Adidas jerseys but only when I can get them at replica prices like 50-80 dollars. Even at 40% off at 120 dollars a piece that's way too much for a replica. They also do not make the on ice jerseys readily available because not having those for sale also disguises that the "authentics" are not on ice jerseys. They absolutely have framed the market as being Authentic means on ice and the fanatics is a fan replica. They added a new tier to jersey buying before it was Game Worn, Authentic, Replica, knockoff...now with Adidas it's Game Worn, pro stock, Authentic (which is a replica), Replica but different, knockoff. It's absolutely a deceptive practice and claiming well technically we never outright claimed they were the same jerseys as the ones on the ice...they knew people would think that and people bought them not knowing. Now you know that the authentics are replicas and are fine with buying those at discounted prices because they are good enough...and I agree but the average fan does not and I certainly didn't know until I started collecting jerseys. That's not the issue the issue is they used deceptive practices to obfuscate what people were buying. So now there are people who have authentics who are thinking I could have saved myself some money and just gotten a cheaper replica, and on the other hand guys wearing authentics who are like wait are you telling me I could have shelled out more money and gotten a better quality pro stock jersey. I'd pay an extra hundred dollars for pro stock but not if I'd already shelled out almost 200 dollars for a replica. I hope they lose the lawsuit. and I hope they lose the NHL license and a better company takes over. CCM, Koho, Nike were all better.

[@Silenceaverted]

It would be sweet if teams made and sold the practice jerseys they have for themed nights. Even if they are a limited time thing, they would be sweet to have the potential to get them instead of winning one off auction and never wanting to wear it

[@felixeur1276]

Some teams do sell themed night jerseys and have a selection of Made in Canada Adidas. Sens Store do have some. Practice jerseys are a bit different where there's less material since its not game used. Occasionally teams will sell them but I haven't seen them in a while

[@Silenceaverted]

@@felixeur1276 Is that a Canadian team thing? Im in the states and idk about the ducks but the Kings have had cool practice jerseys for themed nights (such as a Marvel night recently) but those jerseys are only ever for auction. They even had a Hot Ones promo a few years ago with special practice jerseys but they had separate stuff for fans to buy and the jerseys were auctioned

[@spookykid5829]

Starter CCM and Reebok all sold us on ice authentic. Sell us the MiC or stop making them bell cut. I like the replicas cause I can buy them cheap but they shouldn’t be marketed as “authentic” just do what reebok did and call them premier replicas or something.

[@fantasticvoyage262]

What is bell cut?

[@slapshotjack9806]

Authentic means not faked and genuine I didnt know these jerseys were made by any other company than adidas

[@saltywingsandavsfan]

What I’ve noticed with the primegreen jerseys is that the numbers are double layered. I got a Hughes jersey from nhl shop and it looks more authentic than like the Aeroready and Climate jerseys

[@Wexter0083]

They got a lot of complaints about the numbers (I was a little miffed to the first time I got a cheap feeling, thin single layered number on my $300CND Erik Karlsson Centennial game jersey) and are now just charging a bit more for "pro-stitched" numbers like Cool Hockey has been doing for years. Glad the NHL and Adidas has made the change.

[@MrBestvirginia]

Really? That's good to hear, I was wondering what's up with the new "primegreen" jerseys/ if they're any different to the first ones.

[@dustinrhodes4793]

Adidas and fanatics are an absolute joke, I don't buy from them anymore. Thankfully I have a ton of Reebok and CCM "authentics" and an "on ice" jersey from a Sharks auction at the game. I don't understand why they can't just make both, cheap replicas and game jerseys. Collectors can buy the expensive ones (and we will) and everyone else can buy the cheap ones.

[@tbirds5313]

Authentic: Same as the players wear in game Game worn: Actually worn by a player on the ice Replica: Cheaper heat pressed/sublimated rather than sewn on names and numbers

[@clarkesuperman]

This would be nice. But as it is right now, the branded “authentic” is not the same as the players wear in-game. The stitching and cresting is different.

[@TheHockeyGuy]

See, but Adidas never said they were the same as on ice jerseys. From day one, we knew they weren't.

[@JonathanNation]

@@TheHockeyGuy you did ... most did not

[@coasttocoastnhlhockeynews]

@@TheHockeyGuy Question for you kind of related to this topic but do you think in about three years or so once the contract is up with Adidas that they’ll sign another contract and make jerseys again or will see a different brand like CCM or Reebok again or somebody make NHL jerseys

[@clarkesuperman]

@@JonathanNation and herein lies the purpose for the lawsuit. People going into a $150-$200 purchase believing it was authentic as in, the same as players, like how it used to be.

[@artystaar]

I am an older guy and 17 years ago, when I bought all new goaltending equipment from Vaughan (great stuff I still use constantly), it was made in Canada, and they even had a custom Vision blocker made up for me at no extra charge. Now Vaughan is selling stuff made over seas and I hear guys complaining that the quality is reduced. I guess it's all a business for everything hockey now, but thus is affecting things ON ICE too.

[@artystaar]

I may remove this thread. I am now hearing conflicting information that Vaughn is still made in Canada, but hard to verify.

[@PeterCPRail8748]

I personally think that the pro on ice jerseys should made available to the public for those that want it. However it should be in a custom order format from your team store or nhl store via Adidas. With full payment up front and a 2 to 8 week lead time as it's being made for the customer. This way Adidas does not lose out on unsold jerseys as they are made to order not in bulk.

[@ernie8401]

Adidas should make the white/away jerseys more readily available. Frustrating having to spend so much extra money purchasing them from the team stores. Most of the time they don’t even have my size in stock!

[@shadowguy20004]

I desperately have wanted a white howling coyote road white jersey for 3 years and haven't found any but fanatics It's really beautiful in person. Same for white Detroit which I prefer to home red and I snagged one during adidas clearance 6 months ago $50

[@fantasticvoyage262]

I also had a ridiculously hard time finding road white jersey in my team. I eventually found one from SportsK for a lot less than the team store.

[@fantasticvoyage262]

@@shadowguy20004 Pro Stock Hockey has them right now.

[@carparthero]

it would be nice to get game-worn (as in exactly what the players use in games) lol. i mean i'm paying b/w $250-$400 CAD (depending on what jersey, cresting i'm getting) for a retail "authentic jersey". 🤔

[@seantogami]

I bought a blank reebok pro stock goalie cut canucks jersey for 75% off at the rogers arena team store during the off season when reeboks went obsolete a few years ago. Got Luongo professionally sewn in for a little extra but now it it sits beautifully in my very unhealthy collection of 8 Luongo jerseys

[@carparthero]

@@seantogami good grab on the pro stock cut. they are not easy to find. and for 75% off, that's a great price. and at least you have something that is rare and that you can be proud of.

[@seantogami]

@@carparthero yeah in the end I saved quite a lot of money lol

[@carparthero]

@@seantogami excellent! you know that pro jerseys aren't cheap or easy to catch. not a mock, it's just there's too many cottonelle kids today that have been programmed by their cottonelle helicopter parents, that money grows on trees, and that participation trophies count for something lol 😆

[@seantogami]

@@carparthero yeah I know right lol

[@tookink2449]

My personal price point for jerseys: $150-$200 for a blank $200-$250 for a name and number $250-$300 depends on the team and player My drop dead point is $350. Anything more than 350 should be game worn. Note: I have collected both NHL and MLB jerseys. And ever since Nike took over MLB jersey contract. Some jerseys run for $465. Which is ridiculous because they are the exact same as the majestic flex base. But I feel like what Adidas offers and their price point I say is pretty fair. It dose bother me like one percent, but is it a dealbreaker for me? No.

[@Halfhoff]

You can find pro jerseys on eBay on auction sometimes for a reasonable cost. Usually they are with name and number and game worn

[@fantasticvoyage262]

I also noticed as soon as Nike started making authentic MLB jerseys, the cost went way up. But they aren't any better quality. I wish Majestic still had the contract.

[@felixeur1276]

I litterally explain this to customers when I work at the Sens Store and they are taken aback

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

which is probably why Adidas is going to end up settling and changing the descriptor. If the vast majority of people think authentic = on ice and that distinction is not made clear in a way that is easily accessible they're at best being misleading.

[@Ineverleft604]

Apparently when Fanatics takes over they'll sell on ice at retail store

[@Dhemize]

Authentic should be exactly the same as they wear on the ice, completely interchangeable. Any thread changes or stitching differences and it's no longer authentic, it's a replica and this distinction should be made by these jersey selling sites. What they're doing now is borderline false advertising imo

[@b.a.sports4361]

I actually own around 5 MiC adidas jerseys and although you’re not wrong I still think if we want them we should be able to purchase them because they are a world apart in difference! The overall quality is so much better I would gladly pay 300-500 because they are totally worth it

[@cardiganmode2021]

i agree with about 99% of what you said regardings the jerseys for the one exception that they should NOT call jerseys that are not worn on ice authentics. I agree with you that the average everyday guy/gal probably would not want to spend a lot of money to pay for an on ice so those people should be catered to - but the jerseys you wear and collect should not be called authentics - they should be replicas. it seemed much simplier back in the CCM/Pro Player/Nike days. the word authentic to me implies it is the real deal - the ones the players wear

[@panik28]

Nhlshop shows the following to describe Indos "Authentic Pro Player Jersey" if I read that and I have no idea about MiCs I'm gonna believe that's what they wear on ice which is a lie. How is possible that Meigray can sell on ice jerseys for 250$ but Adidas charges almost the same for replicas?

[@calmistheway]

Back in the day my wife worked for Verizon and won an autographed Scott Stevens jersey in some sales contest. It was at a company dinner in the Meadowlands complex at the time. I think it was one he wore in a game because no other jersey that i got my hands on came close to the weight nor the "feel" of it. It was actually something that could survive multiple pro hockey games.

[@felixeur1276]

I also want to clarify for stitching & numbers. For the Sens Store, there are 3 "levels". Not sure how other teams work but I am sure its similar Heat Pressing - usually done by the store Pre-Decorated - usually direct straight from Adidas, Single Layer stitching. Decent quality Pro-Stitched - Sent out to a dedicated company for high quality, multi-layer number stitching. Closest you'll get to game-worn. Made to order most of the time.

[@idiotidiot5821]

They arent conforming close enough to the originals though thus removing authenticity.

[@AJStrong]

You say “Adidas never said these jersey were what is worn on-ice”. Adidas never said that wasn’t the case either. And calling them “authentic” is misleading. The Adidas site description calls some “authentic pro”. Just call them PrimeGreen, be more transparent, and don’t confuse uninformed fans.

[@Danny-the-Canadian]

Question is why we goalies can't buy authentic Adidas goalie cut jerseys/adidas won't make them, I know so many goalies that wish they could get something like that, but we're stuck with only purchasing pro-stock from locker room sales. Where those jerseys go for $700+...................... and those just get bought by collectors that resell them for 1000+ :(

[@sabinoruiz2080]

I bought a couple of Ducks game used jerseys. The Ducks have equipment sale at the end of every season I payed 150.00 each

[@JonathanGaeta]

Oh nice. Though I’m sure the big player ones like Getzlaf go for a lot

[@yogibearstie]

I wonder if Zegras changes his number next year

[@AJStrong]

At the 8:00 mark, you make the point of the lawsuit, basically. People that are collectors know the difference and are aware of MiC. New fans just getting into collecting don’t and calling the jersey “authentic” is misleading, perhaps purposely so. Call them PrimeGreen or whatever, but don’t call them authentic. What other company does this?

[@CrescentCitySweaters]

Starter did it with the made in El Salvador authentics. Reebok did it with the Indo Edge which was originally marketed as an authentic when there are differences from the on ice authentic. Heck even the Reebok retail Edge 2.0s were missing reinforced fight straps most of the time, although sometimes team issued straps were finding their way onto retail jerseys. There is a long and storied history of replicas of differing qualities being called authentics in hockey which predates this millennium.

[@AJStrong]

@@CrescentCitySweaters I can only speak about the Sharks and prior to 2007 when Reebok took everything, the only jerseys available locally were replica or pro stock. When Reebok got the contract, the "authentic" into versions were never advertised as authentic. That only began in San Jose once Adidas took over.

[@jonathanchan4850]

I briefly scrolled through the comments and didn't see anyone mention this. I bought an "authentic" for my hometown Anaheim Ducks last month and remember this phrase, "You may not prep for Anaheim Ducks game days exactly like your favorite player, but your game day routines can have one awesome thing in common-proudly putting on a Anaheim Ducks Authentic Custom Jersey from adidas." Thanks to this community I am now aware that the products we buy are not identical to what the players wear, however i think there are a number of advertising techniques that Adidas is using to mislead consumers

[@jamesfischer357]

Definitely not paying 200 plus for a cheep made because they want to save money I have a Datsuke from 02 actually hand stitched numbers name logo paid 350 and still looks close to new today. That’s what I want not something that looks like crap after 3 washes

[@RandomGuyCDN]

Also from what I remember when I bought my Reebok Manitoba Moose Jersey (right before they left Winnipeg) I swear I paid the same to buy and customize as the NHL charges now. So if the NHL argues "too much cost for better material". I call BS on that. China probably makes fabric rolls for cheap af that the NHL can buy in bulk.

[@shannocvirek]

This was a very informative video and I totally agree. I’ve just started collecting some penguins jersey and so far have 2 team issued jerseys.

[@timothyboyle1908]

Love the fight strap!

[@seantogami]

I have a team issued reebok canucks away luongo jersey and my god it is so much heavier than a reebok premier jersey. The Lou jersey definately feels durable. I bought it blank at the team store at 75% off during the off season when the reeboks were turning into the adidas and I got the name and number stitched on professionally.

[@bookshelf5759]

I was planning on buying an Adidas Authentic Panthers jersey and I thought that meant that it could be worn in a game. If I buy an “Authentic” Ekblad jersey, then Ekblad should have been able to wear that jersey on ice. “Game worn” quite obviously means that it was game worn, as in worn in a game. Adidas is being deliberately dishonest. I hope they lose that lawsuit.

[@gregvogel9859]

I'm surprised they don't do a limited release each your of pro-stock jersey's to limit the exposure to having to sell jersey's at a loss, and boost margin. For collector's it also creates desirability since they can say it's one of 10,000. I agree that the lawsuit won't go anywhere, and if they do win, Adidas will just change wording or fine print and it won't change anything.

[@williamhorsfield5168]

I only have one issue with the adidas authentic that I own and it’s the NHL logo on the collar. I bought a giroux jersey from the Wells Fargo centre and I quickly realised that it was coming off. It has now completely come off of my jersey but living in the UK there’s not really much I can do about it. I don’t know if it is a common problem but it bugs me because it makes the jersey feel fake.

[@professordogwood8985]

I never liked how some large company that never had anything to do with hockey suddenly get the jersey manufacturing contract. I like the CCM jerseys in the AHL and I miss when Koho made the NHL jerseys. Actual hockey brands making actual hockey gear.

[@jakeaaron]

I agree. I wish they would sell more practice jerseys.

[@ThatGuy1001000]

The only issue I have with the jersey stuff is the price point. The fact that they sell those poorly made things Fanatics makes for over $100 is criminal. Authentics are okay where they are, and gamers/MiC are a whole different thing altogether in my eyes

[@chrisguardiano6143]

And it isn't just the NHL jerseys that are poorly made by Fanatics. I have a Toronto Raptors NBA jersey made by them that I got for Christmas which is around the same price as the NHL jersey & the color has already started to fade after one wash along with the name & number of my favorite player Fred Vanvleet. However the worst jerseys that Fanatics make are the NFL ones in which they rip after just a few wearing them.

[@AlbanianMan]

The thing I don't get is if they think the on ice pro stock Made in Canada jerseys won't sell because of the price, then why not just produce them in limited quantities so us collectors have the option to buy them. What pisses me off is that they don't even make that an option.

[@azcactus2008]

It sounds like the NHL had their attorneys fine tune the wording. Can’t they just be honest about the levels? It’s not always what is stated, it’s about what is not stated.

[@seikoshinohara3084]

Authentic should mean same as what players wear but not worn and game worn is game worn

[@JustJempty]

Nike does it for the NFL jerseys (Legend,Game,Limited,Elite), granted the market is bigger, but i think Adidas could do well offering something similar.

[@LSA30]

The biggest issue I see with the Indo Adidas jerseys is the inconsistent quality control. I have mostly size 50s, and when I compare two of them there tend to be slight variations in arm length, chest width or chest length, when they should be the SAME across the board (for instance, my Penguins home fits tighter than the away and they’re both size 50, year-1 (with the button) Indo Adidas). I don’t own many Primegreens to say if that has improved, but I sure hope so. Oh, and I agree with the fight strap being gone!

[@Rockin_Ross]

Great video, Shannon! You’re the champ for a reason. Remember when Reebok sold “replithentics”? Authentic jersey with replica numbers and name. Adidas needs to resurrect this name and use it for the Fanatics-level crap and move on.

[@lv5669]

I am still livid they used smaller logos/crests on size 46 and below jerseys the first season they were released

[@isud2000]

I got an Adidas Authentic Blues jersey from STL Authentics. The jersey itself was made in Indonesia, but the numbers were sewn at Enterprise Center. It was $360 and it looks and feels like an on ice jersey. I dunno if other teams have the same option, but it's the best jersey purchase I've personally made. Can't wait to order a Nathan Walker next. 🇦🇺

[@tenlosol]

I feel like the only reason a game worn jersey matters is if the player ACTUALLY wore it. Past that I don't see the big deal. As long as I can buy one, wear it, and feel like it's not cheap and it feels good that's all I need. It's just another way of showing your fandom and that can go from as little as wearing a giveaway partner branded hat to season tickets and decked out head to toe.

[@drzal1221]

It’s the weirdest debate because the real differences is the heavy material and stitching on the jerseys Because by the seller it can be hit and miss. When especially by team store or from Especially with Buffalo (from there) and fanatics. Buffalo would give you the team style stitching but fanatics and the adidas style gives you that single layer but fanatics have the problem as there’s so many times when my stitching was botched and or just not taken cared off with the creases and even being broken off

[@OnGod1007]

My Uncles friend worked at Jos Louis Arena and he Had at least 100 jerseys that were worn on the ice by the players. He wanted a small fortune for the star players. He had a black Gretzky and this way Back in the early 90’s. I ended up getting a Danny Daoust with the King Clancy patch on the shoulder. The guy also gave me a Flyers Practice jersey. I have no idea what happened to them I wish I still had them

[@cardiganmode2021]

i am from around the NYC area and have visited the NHL official store. Aside from a handful of signed authentic on ice jerseys, all they have are what i deem as replicas and it is disappointing. You would think that you could get an on ice at the NHL Store but I do understand that the majority of folks just want some similar to what the pros wear because of price. they actually even heat press names and numbers on blanks on the premises if you want.

[@Zamppa86]

Fan jersey is a fan jersey. Authentic should mean it's 'authentic to the ones players use' meaning they aren't game worn but still the sam quality. So basically: a fan jersey for 'casuals', authentic for those who want in game quality and game worn for those who want to collect a jersey really worn by their favourite player(s). Should be clear and shouldn't be difficult.

[@Ramuh.]

I wish they had, even small amounts of MiC. I don't think they should make the same amount, but have a 10,000 jersey run of every team, that goes through a size run, just to get the market happy. I love the regular Adidas but I desperately want a MiC oilers.

[@Fiedman]

When it come to buying Hockey jerseys I would say spend within your means. If you can save up and spend the extra on an Authentic jersey more power to you, if all you can afford is the Breakaway jerseys nothing wrong with that either. At the end of the day as long as your happy with what you got that's all that matters.

[@carparthero]

personally i would never wear fanatics overpriced replica garbage. but to each their own.

[@One_Proud_Papa]

The St. Louis All-Star jerseys were boring. THAT'S why they didn't sell. They could've done more with the music staff idea, but, no.

[@jamesgentry13]

What upset me was when. I got thr authentic reverse retro canucks Jersey over a year later thr name plate is pealing!!!

[@zakwan10]

Casual collector here, I started 2 years and I have about 17 jerseys, all of the made in Indonesia Adidas which I'm extremely happy with. I paid $180 max with the exception of a Habs one from Reebok, I have no interest in paying $300 for a jersey but I'm sure others do.

[@WindyCityHawkey]

Nike sells the on feild and on court authentic for the NFL, MLB, and NBA. With the level of sells from $450 being the to $150 for the replicas

[@damonwebb813]

I like jerseys but don't wear them much, unless I go to game(too warm) I add the occasional one if I really like it Added a starter Kachina because I've always liked it, a SJ ccm as well as this Rarely get names, other than a malkin RBK , luongo ccm, Kesler rebock

[@RandomGuyCDN]

Wish who ever gets the contract to sell NHL jerseys did what reebok did. After buying enough Adidas jerseys to use on the ODR I've kind of gotten fed up with them getting worn after the first ODR session. It's a big disappointment when the old CCM jersey I bought last year and the reebok old AHL jersey still look the same after continued use while Adidas' look like garbage with w/e that looping fray or fuzzy fray that happens due to friction between the jersey and the arm. So I agree with the statement that there should be no difference in material for "game worn" jerseys vs Authentics, only difference is you getting a certificate saying "hey this was worn by so and so for this long during this many games"

[@chrisguardiano6143]

If it is Nike they will likely do what Reebok did. However expect to pay a lot more if that happens at least that is what happened when Nike got the contracts to make NBA, NFL & MLB jerseys.

[@kanzaki0001]

Jersey prices for what we as a retail community is getting to outrageous levels. NBA jerseys are glorified tank tops, but authentic game worn is $250 USD and replica are $130. MLB was $120, for authentic on field versions are close to $400. The margins they make off of these are large. The bulk of the cost goes to the league. When adidas or any manufacturer wants to dump stock they will do it at close to loss as possible, because warehouse space is limited.

[@fantasticvoyage262]

The dots on the shoulders are supposed to make the jerseys more breathable for the players. But they don't make the jerseys look better.

[@ChrisBrandt9]

Consumer law in the US is interesting and nuanced. I’d have to look at the lawsuit but there is a decent argument that can be made that there is some deceptive labeling. Adidas won’t change their product but they may pay out a settlement and be forced to label their jerseys differently.

[@buzzsaw1000]

Yeah, this is borderline, like probably should be clarified, but it's not egregious. I just hope it's not a huge settlement, which means that cost gets pushed down to us for future jerseys. And yeah, this won't make them sell pro-stock at all, just clarify labeling/advertising

[@evileyeball]

I don't like wearing hoodies but I don't remember what happened to the canucks hoodie I used to have.

[@nicktalksbrazil]

I used to buy a lot of hockey jerseys and I would only buy the authentic pro on ice game jersey as it is better quality and will last a lot longer. I don't mind the authentic adidas jerseys but I would have liked the option of getting the player jersey. I remember the first jersey I ever bought was a CCM Maple Leafs 1999-2000 Sundin pro jersey and original price was $349.99 but got it on boxing day for $289.99. Nice video!

[@Phillomania]

I would love and appreciate a jersey manufacturing history video. Covering the history and length of contracts for all the manufacturers - CCM/Koho/Starter/Reebok/Adidas/ect... and which ones of those were the best quality. I mean I read somewhere that every team used a different manufacturer and then also sometimes they used two - one for home and one for away. I think that's just crazy. And there's no timeline or easily accessible record for this. Maybe even a madness board? For example - why did the Sabres Red Alternate only get made by Koho? I love that jersey but personally do not like the way Koho feels & fits.

[@fantasticvoyage262]

What is different about the Koho fit?

[@BoltsBerner]

The problem is adidas changed how they looked slightly a year or two after. My blue TBL jersey is completely different than the adidas ones ones on the racks now.

[@fantasticvoyage262]

What is different?

[@user-hs2ys5mj1e]

Also purchased a game stock stick binnington signed only six of them and it’s like baseball if the bat breaks then they go and get another bat the player uses. Paid a premium but I wish adidas would do that. But again companies what to mass production charge high and say authentic when it’s really not.

[@dobynd]

So, tbh, we have purchased a few game worn jerseys from our local junior team, Fargo Force, for $300 - $1200 dollars. These were one off charity auction jerseys. If you want to donate to local first responders and children's hospitals, it's cool to get a jersey in return.

[@dustyb58]

i just love the ebay sellers that put authentic in their titles and you see the horrible stitching and the bubbled logos and they know it so they're asking for like $60

[@fantasticvoyage262]

Right. It's such a pain looking for authentic jerseys. While wading through all the misleading sellers trying to pass off their obviously fake or replica as authentic.

[@Halfhoff]

I'd love one of the Canucks' Pride warm-up jerseys. They were gorgeous. $550 for a blank in the team store. For a couple of days.

[@purplebeard1526]

I am going to give a long-winded reply to this. First in with this was with NBA jerseys, found out "replica" meant screen print graphics and missing some stuff (for instance, my Reggie Miller jersey didn't have the triangle stripes down the side like they are supposed to, but the "authentic one" had that--both made by Champion at the time. When I moved onto buying NHL/Hockey jerseys at the time Reebok had "Authentic Replica" and -_-_-_----Authentic Replica meant stitched everything but a fabric difference between it at the __ version. I wasn't buying a $400 jersey. Adidas, right now is staying consistent with theirs being "authentic replica" and Fanatics being "replica"--I prefer the Adidas branded ones because that is what they wear on the ice, but I didn't find the Fanatics to be "inferior" and they are licensed. Nike and the NFL are the real culprits though... I believe they have 3 levels... Game-- "jersey" material, screen print graphics all around; Limited --different jersey material/trim and stitched graphics (might be team dependent--Panthers have shoulder logo, shoulder stripes, name and numerals stitched but I have seen some shoulder stuff from other teams be screen print but the rest is stitched); then I think its Elite...for game stuff....most expensive of the bunch with a different fabric again and full stitching and a different trim. I believe the prices are $100 --$150--$3-400. I'd always say be careful what you guy--screen print graphics on jerseys don't hold up so I, at worst, always go stitched, but I don't have the money to go the level above that. The NFL Mitchell & Ness throwbacks at the $150 price point are a mix of first two Nikes IMO---I got stich shoulder logo, name, and numerals, but screen print shoulder stripes for my #89 Steve Smith--but it only had one version. I think what it comes down to is jersey sales $s... have an entry level jersey just to sell someone one, have a step up grade for the fan that plans to keep it for a while and in nice condition, and then the REAL DEAL for the super fan/serious collector.

[@gvalo]

Since I'm also a casual collector, I knew the adidas "authentic" ones were just the same as the Reebok Indo-Edge from the start but now unless you spend way too much at an auction for some teams, getting MIC sweaters is near impossible. I have a couple reebok MIC Hawks sweaters I got as gifts, and yes they were more, but the quality is definitely worth it. Luckily the official Hawks store offers customization by the same shop that stitches the teams' on-ice sweaters so I only have a couple older ones that are heat pressed which I got for cheap. I think the best move would be for teams to offer extra stock of MIC sweaters at their stores. They can add a longer wait time to them or whatever, but allows fans who can't make the rare equipment sale or auction to own the same sweater teams wear on the ice. As for the Fanatics branded ones, they're straight up garbage compared to the Adidas ones. I bought a Detroit one for a halloween costume. Luckily I bought it from a Ross store so it was like $12. If I had spent $100+ on it, I would have been pissed off. They're basically glorified Under Armour shirts with heat pressed garbage on them. The Reebok replicas at the $120 level were far better

[@ericwisdahl3201]

Pretty sure that Adidas divested Reebok recently. And likely one of the reasons for the brand change was brand value / how the companies were preforming running up to that next contract with the league

[@mikehenson9984]

If the replica jerseys and The Fanatic jerseys are also licensed by the NHL wouldn't that make them authentic as well? I'm pretty sure that everything on the NHL website is license by the NHL but you don't see Hats and bobbleheads being sold as authentic and replicas sounds totally deceptive to me

[@spork1125]

@1:50 The “S” in Duchesne looks crooked af lol. Is it supposed to look like that?

[@AJStrong]

It’s not that “authentic” should mean “game worn”. Authentic should mean same product the players wear.

[@BHenz1006]

I started collecting jerseys in 2019 (because of your collection and my love for hockey) with an end goal of having 1 of all 32 teams. I’ve only ever purchased Adidas Authentic (I have old Sabres reebok from being a kid but currently only Adidas Authentic now) because for the price point its plenty close enough to the on ice product for me. My most expensive was a Dallas RR and I only payed $120 for the jersey and matching hat. I’m at 18 of 32 teams and I’ll continue to collect Adidas Authentics because they are just as good as the on ice products for someone like me to collect

[@Wexter0083]

I have a spare Sens Koho jersey if you want one. I got a Alexie Yashin some years ago and now have a spare "Toga" jersey I've been meaning to sell.

[@brossovitch]

Authentic jerseys should be 100% identical to what's worn on the ice.

[@buzzsaw1000]

To Doug Glatt "it's official" I agree with Shannon in this authentic does not mean on ice. However, I would be interested in 1 pro stock jersey of my team, maybe a second in a few years, they could do real limited release, or preorders kinda like geeky jerseys does

[@johnfarr2738]

I’ve never thought authentic meant fans warn. I have 2 Capitals Authentic. A home Red Chara and an alternate red white and blue w with the W on the front Tom Wilson. My very first jersey was an Ovechkin fanatics replica, my other two are Authentic Adidas. There is a big difference between the replica and authentic. The Replica is a lighter material with all the patches steamed on. My two authentics are made of a heavier material (Although my alternate Wilson authentic is lighter) with all the patches, numbers and logos and name are sewn on on both. I got both my authentics for about $260 which includes shipping.

[@DJFlozone]

Those dimples aren't silly, they're beautiful

[@TheBigMeme67]

Til the expensive ass jersey I bought was made in Indonesia and not game ready. Damn, I feel scammed lmfao

[@mitcharmstrong8327]

idk i kinda hope they lose the lawsuit mainly because i have to pay $500 to get a jersey to Australia lol

[@RParmable]

I remember Replica, ( obvious) Authentic had me going at first. But I remember “game jersey” as the real McCoy

[@C_David_Clark]

I really don't understand why they don't just make one jersey the same as what players wear on the ice and one that's a replica. To me, the idea of wearing exactly what the players wear is the whole reason you're buying a jersey in the first place. Make a cost effective version with Fanatics so everyone has a chance to support their Team of choice. But this is what happens when there are 12 different versions and then people are confused as to which one is which. There should be clarity at the very least.

[@blueshirtshockey93]

For me yrs ago the authentic jersey was the ones that jerry cosby sold. Back in the day when jerry cosby was connected to Madison square garden. They had the fight strap and they were made jn Canada i have one Adam Graves authentic on ice jersey the rest were all ccm. If u want on ice u r gonna pay through the nose. So the lawsuit is silly. Love u! ❤️🏒🗽🍎

[@romaliop]

Are there replicas with the exact same visual pattern as the Authentic (and Game Worn) jerseys? If there are, then I think it's misleading to call the Authentic ones authentic. Because in that case, either both are replicas or both are authentic jerseys.

[@Marpat-Camo]

Hey THG, to your knowledge, have fans ever had the ability to purchase on-ice jerseys (minus fundraising events and things of that nature) or are all jerseys that fans have purchased not on-ice?

[@CrescentCitySweaters]

If you mean in the Adidas era, for some teams yes. You can go on Winnipeg’s team store site right now and buy team issued jerseys blank or customized. For most teams, however, no unless there was an equipment sale or they changed designs and got rid of old stock (see the Sabres, Flames, and Kings). There are blank Vegas team issued jerseys from their first season still on MeiGray because Vegas took their game worn jersey contract back after a year and brought everything in house after that point.

[@greasy13]

I own 10 jerseys and i have 2 that are MIC. A CCM Detroit Shanahan and a Koho Brodeur.