Should Daniel Alfredsson Be In The Hockey Hall Of Fame? | SDP

[@charlesmclearn4642]

Daniel Alfredsson definitely deserves to be in, but the fact that Mogilny isn't in is crazy. Mogilny averaged over a point per game, had over over 1,000 points, 2nd highest scoring Russian when he retired of all time (He's 4th now). He is a member of the triple gold club , scored 127 points in a single season. Only 3 players in history have scored more goals than Mogilny's 76 in 92-93 (Gretzky x2, Lemieux and Brett Hull). He was the First Russian born captain of an NHL Club. First Russian Allstar. First 1,000 point player born in the continent of Asia. AND the way in which he entered the NHL, opened up the way for all future Soviet/Russian players to come over. If that isn't a HHOF career I dont know what is.

[@jasonb6860]

Heck you could induct him as both a builder and a player

[@duaneday5474]

He missed a ton of games due to injury and the fear of flying

[@exturkconner]

I mean I think the clear cut issue is he was never the best player. He never won a single major award (He won a lady byng but if anything I think most view that as a negative. It gives you a reputation as being a soft player). And I mean Teemu Selanne while technically not scoring more goals at also 76 he had more points that year and would get the tie breaker and would be listed ahead as well. Just saying. I understand why he's not in. Alfie is actually a similar case. Alfie was very good, and very good for a long time. But he was never the best player at anything really. Alfie won a Calder, and sort of got a lifetime achievement nod when he won the Messier. But he was never the best goal scorer, the best setup guy, the best overall player. He was always just very good. And when you play in an era where a lot of other guys were also very good. But also led the league in stuff pretty regularly it makes it entirely understandable why they aren't in.

[@tgs2141]

I’m might sound biased here but he’s really the most underrated Swedish superstar of all time

[@mikehynes6506]

second in points for swedish player

[@coreyhill681]

Are you joking Alfredsson is better than him ,he made it in Stanley Cup finals and Calder trophy and more, nice try

[@BloggerMusicMan]

I'm an Ottawa Senators fan and Daniel Alfredsson was one of my favourite players growing up. He means a lot to me, so I'm definitely biased. If I'm trying to look at his career objectively, which is admittedly difficult, I think you can make a case for him for sure. I think he'll get in one day, but he's not first ballot. He was an important part of an Olympic gold medal winning team in 2006. He was a Calder winner and a six-time All-Star with more than 400 goals and 1000 points. He was a longtime captain of a perennial playoff contending team, including making a Stanley Cup Final and winning a Presidents Trophy. He was an excellent, borderline Selke-quality defensive forward and his offensive abilities were also substantial. That's a pretty outstanding career. But there are only about 4-5 players that get in every year. If I'm thinking about who is eligible next year -- Roberto Luongo, Rick Nash, the Sedins, Henrik Zetterberg -- on top of who else could go in, like Alexander Mogilny, Theo Fleury, Jeremy Roenick, Curtis Joseph, Keith Tkachuk, etc, it's plausible he gets in, but it's a discussion. I think Mogilny should go in first. He should have been inducted a long time ago. He is easily the most talented player not currently in the Hall of Fame. More than a point-per-game in the NHL, a year where he scored 76 goals (which led the league along with Teemu Selanne), a Stanley Cup champion (admittedly not the biggest factor on that Devils team, but still should be noted), six-time All-Star, Lady Byng winner, Olympic champion, and World Champion. He's also a trailblazer for Russian players coming over to North America, taking a substantial personal risk to come here. His impact on the game is huge. Easy vote for me. Apart from that, I think Luongo and the Sedins both get in next year. That brings it up to four. If there's only one more, Alfredsson for me is in the mix with Joseph, Roenick, Zetterberg, and Fleury. I think it's reasonable to argue for any of those guys. I might pick Alfredsson, but it's not by any stretch a slam dunk.

[@Wexter0083]

I don't think the Sedins should be first ballots though. They both were fantastic in 2010 and 2011, but they also never won a Cup (which I think should be a consideration for a first ballot) they also could not keep that quality up consistently throughout their career (the first four seasons of their career was rough) and only made the All-Star game 3 times. Rick Nash is another player I think should not be a first ballot for similar reasons, but I think he has more All-Star game appearances and like the Sedins no Cup. I do agree that Luongo should be a first ballot easily. One of the best goalies of his generation, two Olympic Golds and a Messier (as a goalie). Out of next year's eligbles I think it should be Luongo, Alfredsson, Zetterberg and Mogilny. To me the Sedins getting in before Alfredsson would be a crime to Swedish hockey.

[@Wexter0083]

Played over 1000 games, was part of one of the most dominant lines in hockey from 2004-2009, Multiple NHL awards from the Calder, Messier Leadership Award to the King Clancy, 6 All-Star Game appearances, 15 years his team made the Playoffs and won gold at the Olympics, and was the first Swedish player to Captain a team to the Stanley Cup finals and he played an insane 18 years in the NHL and would had be 19 if not for the lockout. That's before discussing individual stats. Yes Alfie should be in the Hall. And I know a lot of people will go "Haha well look at how many times he did not get past Toronto in the first round"... well I counter that with as of right now would anyone argue Auston Mathews doesn't deserve to be in the Hall despite how many times he's lost to Boston in the first round?

[@anonymousanonymous1338]

*Auston. Completely agree with the point though

[@Wexter0083]

@@anonymousanonymous1338 Sorry about that! Phone autocorrected on me :)

[@anonymousanonymous1338]

@@Wexter0083 No worries

[@username19960]

He should have been in already. He’s had the same career as Iginla in my mind.

[@coreyhill681]

I agree 👍 💯

[@benjaminsankey6721]

600+ goals?

[@coreyhill681]

@@benjaminsankey6721 he joined one thousand club after he scored one thousand, are you kidding

[@flyingtiger1603]

Alfredsson is one of the best Swedish players ever definitely in the top ten. When he was in his prime I would say the order went Lidstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, Naslund and then Alfredsson. Mogilny should also most definitely be in.

[@beardupbeerdown7355]

Sundin wasn't better than Forsberg.

[@flyingtiger1603]

@@beardupbeerdown7355 Everybody is of course going to have their own opinions. You have yours and I have mine but if you look at there all-time stats Sundin has more games played, more goals, more assists and more points and there is quite a gap between them.

[@beardupbeerdown7355]

@@flyingtiger1603 injuries do that. How many Cups does Sundin have? Look at their playoff points, especially considering Sundin played almost twice as long as Forsberg. How many Art Rosses and Harts did Sundin win? Forsberg also is 4th all-time in assists per game and 8th all-time in points per game. Forsberg was a 1st team all-star player 3 times, Sundin was only a 2nd team all-star player 2 times. Forsberg also is part of the Triple Gold Club, and the only Swede to win each title twice. But sure, it's "subjective"... 😉

[@Hotdawgfilms]

Yes, next question

[@powwowken2760]

This is a hard call cause a lot of the arguments made during the Spezza talk apply to Alfie as well, it's not the "hall of very goodness" it's the "Hall of Fame".... I wouldn't be upset if he made it, but I think he'll have a very tough road.

[@dhruva264]

Yes.

[@AudioOfBeing]

Praise Alfie.

[@smartinvestor4306]

As much as I distaste the Senators..I would say yes.

[@sollamander2206]

What percentage of national hockey media is based in Toronto? It's gotta be over half right?

[@mitcharmstrong8327]

as a sharks fan I’d love to say patrick is a 1st ballot however idk if he has the hardware

[@seanhenderson5996]

Even as an Oilers fan who grew up in the 80s and adored Kevin Lowe back then I don't think he belongs in the hall of fame, but to play devil's advocate for a moment, Lowe wasn't just along for the ride he was a 7 time all star.

[@TH-tl6sy]

Lowe is 100th on the all time points list, which considering he was a stay at home Dman for the most part more points than Jay Bouwmeester in fewer games played and then there's 6 stanley cups. No one in the Modern NHL has more bunch of Habs players from the late 60s into the 70s have 8. You know Rocket Richard Serge Savard Jacques Lemaire. All also in the hall of fame. Hard to win that many cups and not make it. Oh and No he's in as a player.

[@zigfield723]

I think you need to remind yourself the criteria

[@GrapPro]

Kevin Lowe in the hall brings down the bar. Don't worry your favourites will get in.

[@markc3832]

Lowe should not be in and Marleau is not a hall of famer, he has his games played record that's good enough imo. Get Mogilny in already.

[@alexracco5975]

My top future Hall of Famers Henrik Zetterberg Mikko Koivu Shane Doan Ryan Smyth Greg Johnson Kimmo Timonen Rick Nash Brad Richards Marty Turco Mikka Kiprusoff Artūrs Irbe

[@Bambrough]

Hey man if you win 6 cups you deserve to be in HOF...idc if you’re the top guy or the 10th guy theres more to winning than goals and assists

[@sollamander2206]

If you guys are willing to take shots at Theo Fleury you should probably bring up David Frost and the Leafs coach that testified on his behalf, screwing over multiple underage abuse victims.

[@holymackenaw]

He was very good but not great. Hated him back then but feared him equally.

[@THEBOOMBOOMBOOM3]

Alfredsson had similar individual success and much better team success than Sundin

[@williamhock5603]

I was thinking he was pretty much on par for importance to team in regards of Iginla for the Flames = Alfredsson for the Senators.. I thought those two should have gone in together.

[@Wexter0083]

@@williamhock5603 Honestly it makes zero sense for Alfie to be in while Iginla and Sundin are. Iginla you can argue had a bit more individual success than Alfie and Sundin had more points and less awards. But, all three are highly comparable.

[@mikec886]

Yes. Under Alfred Danielson

[@Al_Camino77]

Clark Gilles is in the Hall of Fame. So yeah

[@jasonandrews7030]

Who?

[@Overtimewinner]

He deserves it more then Mat Sundin...he went to the cup final!

[@exturkconner]

Kevin Lowe is one of those guys that then get you into arguments about what makes a player a hall of fame player. Kevin Lowe was the best pure shut down dman of his era. And he did it while playing on some teams that didn't play defense. A lot of the stats we track now just weren't tracked back then. But I'd guarantee he had enormous ATOI. He had huge amounts of hits and blocks. He finishes his career +260. He was top 10 in Norris voting 4 times He won the King Clancy award. He won a bunch of cups. Whenever you are the best at something for an era you deserve to be in the hall.

[@85blutch]

It annoys me that people always look at points, goals, assists to determine if a player is good, with that elite defensive players are often passed on, the role of Danault in last year's habs cup run show what a defensive player can do for you, he was probably their MVP

[@coreyhill681]

Is NHL serious, if you put Iginla in automatically they should've put Daniel Alfredsson in , that's complete joke. Alfredsson made the Stanley Cup finals, has a Calder and other awards as well, Alfredsson has better career than other person you put in, this should be countervisal, literally

[@soulslayer434]

He should be in. But prob in a weak year. Moginly should be in. Same with Theo Fleury. I would argue Pierre Turgeon and Jeremy Roenick also are more comparable to Alfie and arent in.

[@mikehynes6506]

what make this even dumber the twins will get in first shot which is a joke. alfe is second for swedish players in points

[@Wexter0083]

Isn't he only behind Matts Sundin? My argument is if this is about Cups and international achievements don't matter why is Matts Sundin in and not Daniel Alfredsson? Both players only broke 100pts in a season once, both won Gold, both won the Messier Leadership and both had over 5 All-Star game appearances. If anything Alfie achieved a bit more than Matts in less time in the NHL like scoring a Calder and a King Clancy, plus making it to the Finals and appeared in over 50 more playoff games. If Matts Sundin is in the Hall than Alfredsson should be in the Hall. It should just be that simple. If anything when Alfie gets in the guy giving the speech at the induction should be Matts. They are the closest comparable in this discussion.

[@tlock1081]

I don’t think so personally but that’s my opinion.

[@williamhock5603]

Why shouldnt he?

[@tlock1081]

@@williamhock5603 I just dont think he’s worthy of HOF status. If he gets in that opens the door to so many more people. I think the HOF needs to be tighter, not looser. Through 18 seasons hes only had 3 awards, one being a calder and never once won a Stanley Cup. No I don’t think he deserves the HOF status and I will die on that hill. He was a good player but yeah. Just my opinion, and we all have those.

[@Wexter0083]

@@tlock1081 Okay so Matts Sundin should not be in the Hall. He only won 1 award and never made it to the Finals. So Alfie being in does not loosen the rules any worse than Matts being in. EDIT: And the Viking does not count as it is only limited to Swedish players.

[@tlock1081]

@@Wexter0083 okay? Lol this isn’t about Sundin but I respect your opinion

[@Wexter0083]

@@tlock1081 I was just pointing at Matts because it's annoying to hear how Alfie didn't achieve enough to be in the HOF when he achieved more than other prominent members like Matts Sundin. :)

[@noahcollins6566]

Considering he was with one of these shittiest organizations of all time and even when Ottawa is good they weren't that good so what he accomplished with that garbage team I'd say yeah he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame

[@ThePalisky]

The hall of fame is for the best players, he does not fit that description. He was very good, but not at the top.

[@diggergeensen860]

No

[@SergeiTheAnarch]

The HHOF is a boys club. Simple as. There are absolute legends that aren't in the hall solely because they pissed some people off along the way.

[@jchockey8456]

He could visit the hall of fame if he likes?

[@cryptocode88]

If Alfred son gets into the HOF, you may as well go induct another 1000 players. He’s a great player but he’s not a HOF’er

[@euginate1344]

Glenn anderson should not be in the hall of fame.

[@Calers-gu1ib]

Nope. Tucker is more worthy than him

[@ChadFosterExplores]

Definitely no!

[@kfreeman19]

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