Should Everyone Have To Cover Their Nipples? | Middle Ground

[@ohitsarcangel2182]

I feel like the free the nipple movement should be about people not getting creeped out or outraged at seeing a woman’s breast or a woman breastfeeding in public. It is not about woman or men going topless just because is their right to do so

[@doodle3984]

yeah how i see it is like breast feeding is a neccessary part and women shouldn't be creeped at for it or be ashamed to do it. sometimes even in public.

[@mewesquirrel6720]

@@doodle3984 just don't make it noticable. I'm trying to eat here

[@doodle3984]

@@mewesquirrel6720 just don't look if it makes you uncomfortable the baby is also just feeding same as you

[@whatdoiputhere9564]

@@mewesquirrel6720 why are you implying that it’s like gross..mind ur business. no one’s telling you to look. also why are you watching a women breastfeeding?? 🤨

[@qasimfareed5821]

@@doodle3984 that’s a horrible take..

[@meganwin9275]

I really hate when people use the phrase "life isn't fair" to go against social change. Just because life isn't fair doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for a better world. Even if the world will never be fair doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it fairer.

[@kiannaheller5044]

right!! Like "life isn't fair", uhh but we are the ones making it unfair..?? and we have the power to change things for the better..?? why would we not..??

[@haleyd4466]

YESSSS THIS 🙌🏻👏🏻 I couldn’t believe she said that

[@dancebenny]

This

[@egusisoup1826]

Completely unrelated, but the funny thing about the notion of fairness is how subjective it is and how limited everyone’s scope is. With enough time you can make the argument even the cruelest treatment is fair.

[@v0calbeatzlaughs]

RIGHT! She was like life isn’t fair and I don’t like the word entitled…um girl, we’re talking about HUMAN RIGHTS 😭 having autonomy of our bodies, girl 🤦🏾‍♂️ we should all be ENTITLED to have agency over our bodies, girl bye 🙄😒

[@meredithwhite5790]

I'm pro free the nipple, but that doesn't mean I want to go topless all the time. It means I don't think women should be punished or bothered if they choose to go topless. My body, my choice. Your body, your choice.

[@pnut3844able]

@@AM-vl2zd there have to be some laws, some of people telling you what to do. However I agree that women should be allowed to go topless.

[@tobis.4037]

@@pnut3844able The question is where? At the beach - ok. But I think on the street everyone should wear a shirt.

[@pnut3844able]

@@tobis.4037 you've apparently never lived somewhere wear it's hot. Come to south GA, you'll change your mind. Also, why does location have anything to do with it? If you're around water it's ok, but if not it's not ok? Where's the logic in that? The body is nothing more than a sack of meat, skin and bones, yet people are so weird about not wanting certain sections of it shown smh. Like the one lady said, religion is the main reason why.

[@tobis.4037]

@@pnut3844able I‘m an atheist and I still think that we should wear clothes in public. If a society determines that it want‘s to do things differently then that’s obviously perfectly fine.

[@pnut3844able]

@@tobis.4037 I'm an atheist as well. My point is, regardless of belief, America has been shaped predominantly by Christianity, as shitty as that is.

[@letmepickmynameidiot4832]

The girl talking about her sports bra has 0 brain cells. No one is forbidding you to wear a sports bra. Having the freedom to not wear a shirt doesn't mean to be naked 24/7.

[@salmaabdullahgb]

Exactly

[@byvdom3704]

Fr like, nobody said that u cant wear a bra lol

[@froge9843]

Exactly

[@easterwolf]

That’s not what she said she said it’s easier to run with a sports bra than being topless anyway

[@dopeywednesday7590]

i was wondering why no one gave any push back or if they did it was edited out. it made no sense whatsoever. she seemed lost. also who gets mad at dudes running topless during track, it wasn't her being upset bc she couldn't be topless it was just the fact it made her uncomfortable.

[@keyiahmcclain4229]

It’s dangerous to restrict sex education to the home because most people do not teach their kids the proper names of their parts, or what sex is. We got people out here that don’t know what’s healthy or not

[@rianogrady1763]

Also most childhood sexual abuse is perpetrated by relatives, school should be the safe space for those children to be told what is and isn't okay and give the opportunity if needed to seek help. If the education isn't in school you leave many vulnerable children in harmful situations where they cannot help themselves.

[@ThomasBomb45]

Learning about sex ed outside the home doesn't restrict people from also teaching it at home

[@merlumili]

Agree. It's the same as with every other subject, you wouldn't want a person who doesn't know math to be teaching it.

[@shortourt14]

Yeah she lost me there…

[@emunahohr9734]

@@rianogrady1763 true.

[@danielswarovski6462]

As an black African who grew up around breastfeeding mothers in public who felt no shame, it's shocking to hear that breasts are being oversexualized especially in a context of their biological function. What's more, our ancestors walked around bare chested and only covered their nether regions with loincloth 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@lettuce258]

Yeah, yet sexual harassment is still prevalent in our communities

[@truthwillprevail.7213]

Well said

[@christinacopeland5951]

Thanks for adding a cultural context to this discussion

[@Alex-mt8qe]

Funny how this comment is now adding race into the mix 🙄

[@minty8742]

@@Alex-mt8qe well this context it's kinda relevant, if they were white Africans (as in white people that live in Africa) they wouldn't share the same set of values as a black African ,nor the same culture history

[@vi5129]

this was the most frustrating conversation ever. it felt like they said a bunch of words but nothing of value! why didn't they talk just censorship? or about the fact that it's not even about being shirtless, but even just being able to wesr a shirt without a bra? "freedom isn't gonna solve the issue" what? not censoring and sexualising women's bodies aren't going to solve the issue of women being censored and sexualised? the antis never gave a different suggestion for a solution either, just said that they were afraid of tiddies. awful moderation here, the questions were tame and they all just said statements without digging into them (edits: just context and grammar lol)

[@tymeadors855]

I thought some of these arguments were just them talking in circles. I don’t know if editing made it feel like they weren’t saying much or if that’s really just how this conversation went. Either way, it was aggravating.

[@ladyhomeborn1447]

Things were said! It's the editing! Hi, I'm August.

[@vi5129]

@@ladyhomeborn1447 hey august! ah that's such a shame, did you speak for a long time? im curious to know how much they cut out

[@ladyhomeborn1447]

@@vi5129 Participants are given a three hour window, and are wearing mics the whole time for group and individual speaking points. You go into it knowing things will be edited. Of course. I'm just really underwhelmed. But I don't not recommend it to others.

[@vi5129]

argh that's such a bummer. would have loved a more indepth look into the conversation! felt like they just grazed the surface with this excerpt

[@kobk4493]

the girl in green on the anti side doesn’t get that “free the nipple” wouldn’t force her to have to go shirtless it’s about having the choice

[@crocoshark4097]

Whenever I have discussions about this with people I get responses that imply people will somehow be forced to be naked against their will. It's weird. Like, if you don't like the downsides, don't do it. Just don't force other people to conform to your standards of modesty.

[@person-fu1ex]

yess, just how not all men choose to go shirtless

[@itsmichigan4093]

I totally agree that woman should be shirtless 😏

[@rileytubegaming9065]

@@person-fu1ex exactly, I'm a male and I don't even go around shirtless near my mom

[@safiazad2865]

It doesn't matter, I don't want my huaband or my kids to look at another female breasts.

[@LaurenHulton]

I agree with free the nipple, but I personally wouldn't show mine. Agreeing doesn't mean we all HAVE TO show our nipples, it just means everyone has an equal choice if they want to.. We either all have a choice or everyone should be made to cover up. One or the other🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Juliette_Emelie]

EXACTLY the comment i was looking for! They were talking about how uncomfortable it would be to go run without a sports bra on.. and i was like; well, duh. That’s why a sports bra is invented. It seemed like they were arguing whether or not you should be topless all the time? 😅

[@isabellabello]

green shirt girl had to see this

[@danielabourne3057]

PREECH

[@Siddharth-94]

So if it is passed..will it be ok for a guy to ask a girl to show her breasts like girls ask us to show abs or chest

[@ygerman1539]

@@Siddharth-94 Yes, they want equality so equal it shall be.

[@bigwaffles]

Saying “life isn’t fair” about double standards between men and women is such a gross take

[@canyousaumagnetic9647]

Exactly. Life is life. Everyone who is alive is living life so saying that “life isn’t fair” as it pertains to being male/female..etc is weird to me.

[@snakemongoosepanther]

Yeah that attitude is so lame. "Life's not fair so stop trying to make it better" wtf?

[@madavid214]

@@snakemongoosepanther there is sth you can change and sth you cant change. Life isn't fair for gender issue is like men can not get pregnant. that's not fair obviously. but how can you change this? its nature

[@ima.m.1658]

@@madavid214 Misogyny and the oversexualization of women is not nature. It is all socially constructed stuff. It can change, slowly, by having these types of conversations.

[@armykayla9971]

Agreed. It was incredibly frustrating, and it gave the “just be happy about how far we’ve come” energy. If life is unfair, you can try to make changes. You don’t have to be content with a life that constrains you or makes you unhappy.

[@JayJay-gj9bu]

Its possible to be pro free the nipple and modest. Its about giving people the choice to do what they want and wear what they want on a non sexual part of their body. Nobody is going to force anyone to not cover up. Its your body you get to decide how you want to look. The free nipple movement is about desexualising something to make it possible for women to breastfeed without being sexualised , to let women be at the beach without their breasts being sexualised and to let women who dont feel comfortable in bras go bra less without being sexualised for their nipples showing under a shirt. By making that difference between a female upper body and a male upper body you are clearly saying that breasts are sexual. And that leads to people sexualising women and that part of them. If you look at European countries in spaces were there isnt that difference there also is alot less harrasment.

[@luvgoodness3461]

Yes agreed, it's (sort of) like being Pro choice but never seeing yourself getting an abortion. You're allowing and supporting that opportunity to other people instead of choosing to strip it away from them because of your personal beliefs.

[@charlottegreen9581]

Thank you 👏

[@cybernexus4233]

This movement will never succeed

[@charlottegreen9581]

@@cybernexus4233 It has in many European countries though...

[@supreme5580]

@@charlottegreen9581 so is prostitution

[@mickeystix]

I am so happy that August stepped up and said that men's bodies are also sacred after the other woman said that womens were. I really like her! Putting female anatomy on a pedestal is part of the issue with over sexualization of nipples and breasts. I think that everyone should be able to go topless. On the same note, as a hetero male, I AM attracted to breasts. But mostly only in a SEXUAL setting. The same way that a womans neck or small of their back or whatever else can be attractive given the appropriate context. But just a no context boob is just that...just a boob. Big whoop. (same for mens bodies etc)

[@renny3816]

Agree!

[@kriscamille5697]

Thank you! You made a great point there, context is SO important. A body inherently doesn't have to be sexual, it can be depending on the context or setting though. It's super important to be able to make that distinction.

[@ariesfairy4444]

yess!!

[@yourlocalflatiron6124]

Agreed 100% as a lesbian :)

[@shwooshia4606]

Them* I'm pretty sure they said they were non binary, just saying :)

[@BooksToAshes]

I find it sadly ironic that some men/women sexualize woman's breasts but the moment they breastfeed (which is the primary use of breasts) they are uncomfortable and don't want to see them in public. Objectify us and then turn around and tell us to cover up. Makes sense 🙃

[@pnut3844able]

Not me. I don't have a problem with it

[@bluebaconjake405]

Probably because a baby is involved with something that they heavily sexualize LMAO

[@nimatajani5723]

@@pnut3844able if u don’t have a problem with it then the comment isn’t for u lol

[@HouseMDaddict]

Yeah never understood the objectify and then be disgusted mindset. That said, I don't really enjoy being around naked people in general? Like I don't like women's locker rooms because women just stand around chatting naked or partially naked and I find it really uncomfortable. I always dress as quickly as possible, back turned, and then walk out eyes averted. I can't say I'd be any more comfortable if it was fully naked men around me. Though if they were partially naked (aka shirtless), I'd more comfortable with that than a shirtless woman. Maybe it's because I see shirtless men more (aka exposure= desensitized?)? Maybe it's because I am only attracted to men, so I don't like seeing shirtless women?

[@fatimagarza1675]

Maybe because they only want the breasts to themselves and not for the baby🧐

[@j0epark1]

Topics getting weirder and weirder, but I’m still here for it lol

[@twosunies]

they did everything at this point

[@txtxtany]

@@twosunies nah, they are not gonna stop until every SINGLE thing in this world has been done

[@RAD-m3x]

I was actually waiting for this🧍‍♀️

[@starinitalian]

I liked this topic, but I still think re-doing some topics would be nice. Most of the topics they have done are timeless topics and will be as entertaining with new people + we get to listen to more opinions.

[@gracemiiichele]

Free the nipple is actually an international movement with a documentary that came out like 6 years ago

[@rupin_kale]

Adding a transgender woman to this was a stroke of genius. She offered such a beautiful perspective!

[@renny3816]

He

[@graceclemen9581]

@@renny3816 why not just respect her wishes? Actually curious why you felt the need to comment

[@Ziggidy08]

@@graceclemen9581 his

[@theneedlessopinion]

@@Ziggidy08 smd

[@Milk-ck1wv]

@@Ziggidy08 disappointments you hateful people are it's sad u-u can't even respect peoples identities

[@anna.augustinova]

I thought the free the nipple movement was more about normalising wearing no bra, breastfeeding in public, and not censoring female nipples, rather than about being shirtless in public. Like sure, it's a part of it, but from my experience, more women/people being perceived as women would like to be able to not wear a bra without being stared at, harassed or insulted rather than being able to be completely bare-chested. This episode completely missed those points and not much of value was said. They just kept repeating themselves.

[@salmaabdullahgb]

I think it all comes under that

[@charmagne2102]

Its pretty much that. To treat women's nipples as well, just nipples.

[@Name-de1ij]

Imo though if a woman’s nipples accidentally got recorded or something and we never got to hear if she consented to it being shown or not I think we should not show the clip to the public or censor it because most women would probably feel uncomfortable with it

[@BRlGADE_KINGPIN]

yup its basically about women wanting to go bra free while, men not looking at their breast. which does not make much sense because men are attracted to women's bodies. Which is why I think a lot of women that support this movement are gay.

[@heyanhho]

"I don't like it" and being uncomfortable seem to be the only reasons some people nowadays decide to hate on each other.

[@leltaa7447]

Literally

[@saigie3908]

But they weren’t hating on them. I somewhat agree to ur comment, but that’s not what they were doing at all

[@heyanhho]

@@saigie3908 sorry I'm just generalizing. I did not mean to say they were hating each other in this video. The anti side didn't have an argument - all they could say was their personal uncomfortable experiences on the matter.

[@saigie3908]

@@heyanhho Oh okay. I see that it’s fine/reasonable to share their uncomfortable experiences as long as they aren’t being disrespectful. Just like how it’s fine for the pro side to share their comfortable/uncomfortable experiences

[@silveryfeather208]

This should be upvoted more. The anti have no argument besides 'I don't like seeing it, because it's 'sacred'' whatever the hell that means. I don't like seeing beards and bad fashion, doesn't mean I'm gonna shame people for it.

[@v0calbeatzlaughs]

This could have been handled in 5 minutes…but so many crucial points weren’t discussed. They ended up basically where they started…🤦🏾‍♂️

[@luvgoodness3461]

Yeah... :/

[@breonawarren1507]

Said the same thing over and over basically.

[@clement6763]

I think a big problem is that the people against free the nipple either misunderstood it (thought it meant they would be forced to go shirtless) or only had religious reasons for being against it. Neither offers much in the way of an interesting discussion.

[@ThomasBomb45]

Apparently this was partially the fault of editing

[@Yng619]

It's cause they just said their feelings and no fact

[@OldSchoolArchery]

Ciara: thinks sex education should be kept in the home Also Ciara: doesn't like that no one explained to her what a nipple or the naked body was Make it make sense

[@maddyortega9195]

I KNOWWWW 😭😭😭😭

[@shannond7437]

Also says not to objectify babies?!? Anyone who comes out about sexually objectifying women while wearing a shirt with hands grabbing your tits on a huge YT video about the conversation is next level hypocritical!

[@kylamchugh7298]

exactly! the answer is not hide nipples so kids don't get confused and shocked, its educate your kids about human anatomy.

[@RachieSSays]

It actually makes a lot of sense what she’s saying is that it’s not up to the school to teach sex ed it’s up to the parent. And she doesn’t appreciate that her school taught sex ed in an unhealthy manner.

[@renny3816]

It’s because of her religious beliefs. Religion makes people think like Ciara.

[@joethehobo89]

The second Ciara said, "and I understand some people don't have great parents but [shrug] " as she said children shouldn't have access to equal education, she lost me. That's the entire point of access to education. She's really telling on herself in this video and she doesn't even realize it.

[@kst4878]

Yeah I'm honestly disturbed that she's a doula.

[@MegaTech81]

"I think sex education should be in the home" The year is 2021 and I can't believe people still think this.

[@kionnakelly2918]

I can unfortunately. My eyes rolled back so far in my head when I heard that

[@kianna270]

that women clearly doesn’t understand that not everyone comes from the same background and has a family that will openly talk about sex. i would hate for extremely religious kids to not have proper sex education bc their parents don’t believe in it. sex education should be taught in schools like any other topic is. why are we so afraid of it??? it’s normal. i trust you seeing anatomy of a penis in school isn’t going to automatically make everyone want to jump their bones. it’s outrageous that she thinks that’s okay...

[@pnut3844able]

Exactly. If you leave it up to parents, even more teen pregnancies would happen. A lot of parents are too scared or weirded out about having the talk with their kids. If you can't have the important talks with them, then you shouldn't have had a child.

[@Criner05]

America has terrible sex education. And that's with sex education in some schools. Can you imagine if it wasn't in any school?

[@raelized]

sex ed should start from home, but not end there.

[@ad810]

This conversation felt so surface-level. There’s a lot more to FTN than people walking around shirtless

[@adrianmerisier22]

they brought he wrong ppl to this convo lmao, they took this so personal

[@hilmazeca9553]

This Coversation Is Important Too Because Women Are S3xu4l1z3d

[@EssentiallyYes]

It’s the same argument as when they legalized gay marriage… “Well we don’t want everyone to be shirtless in public” or “ Everyones gonna be gay now” It’s not about being forced to take your shirt off, it’s about the possibility to do so when other people are allowed to do that.

[@mxpofficial3443]

RIGHT

[@MsDudette21]

did u rly compare being gay to toplessness. one is a choice, the other isnt

[@xxxfairycorpsexxx7592]

@@MsDudette21 nice strawman

[@MsDudette21]

@@xxxfairycorpsexxx7592 how is it a strawman? being gay isnt a choice. being topless is

[@mxpofficial3443]

@@MsDudette21 NO HE DIDNT?! He actually compared. Supporting of lgbt to supporting wree the nipple movement

[@Manuplater_yt]

As an Indian it feels weird watching western people starting free the nipples movement. In ancient India it was normal for women to go topless in the streets without anyone complaining but it was y'all who said it was wrong and forced our women to cover themselves and now you are the one who is bringing it back. I know India is independent now but it's only been 74 years. The impact of colonialism is still very raw.

[@TheFullmetalAlchemist.]

It is not hypocritical . The people who forced women to cover themselves were people of those and time and the ones that are doing these movements now are different.

[@sumanrodrigues9807]

Well Sakshi, while ur technically right, the lower caste women had to pay something called the "breast tax" cus they weren't covered up.. looking back yeah, there were some really gross fucked up schemes..sigh

[@miranda.cooper]

No. The people who took away carefree toplessness in India are NOT the same people trying to free the nipple.

[@oshe6770]

The pro free the nipple people sitting in this video are not the ones who colonised India, as society is transforming people are gaining more modern points of view, they’re different times and different people.

[@sirantisocial9681]

@@sumanrodrigues9807 breast tax was relatively recent, the British introduced the blouses upper caste started copying them but didn't let others do the same. Our ancient pre mslm art are filled with bare chest women.

[@BlackParade727]

I love Jacob's facial expressions while looking at those speaking, even while not talking he's reacting and clearly actively listening

[@mxmangobutt]

YES that made my heart so happy agh! We stan Jacob and whoever raised such an amazing human!

[@doodle3984]

free the nipple doesn't neccessarily have to be about going shirtless. it can also be about how women have to wear bras to even hide the outlines of the nipple or when women can't breastfeed their babies which btw is the reason why breasts exist in the first place. its not just about the freedom to go shirtless, which okay on a beach or whatver is your choice but people need to stop either sexualising or seeing women's breasts as taboo

[@Blue_Stargazer]

Agreed.

[@pnut3844able]

Women don't have to wear bras if they don't want to

[@pnut3844able]

Also, you're speaking about freedom and choice, while trying to force people to stop sexualizing women. The irony is thick.

[@doodle3984]

@@pnut3844able sexualising someone else's body is not your choice. freedom is not absolute anarchy to do anything.

[@elysegymer9880]

This comment should be higher

[@_Toyis]

It's not just about wanting to take our shirts off , it's about being able to walk down the street without being catcalled or being able to sit in class without some creep staring at your chest or even just breastfeeding . Normalising nipples will lead to de sexualisation of womens bodies and therefore less harassment.

[@MsDudette21]

no it wont. itll just get worse. its why we cant have alot of nice things. pervs gotta ruin it for everyone

[@mxpofficial3443]

@@AmiriHipHop YOU are the one that wrote comment that the pro free the nipple are NOT TOPLESS. amd because of that they are not doing their agenda. Sir, you are the reason. You dont understand that they want to have control over their body, not the opressors. They CAN CHOOSE IF THEY WANT TO be covered or not. All they do is fight aginst opressive idiots, not to push everyone to see their tits.

[@_Toyis]

@@AmiriHipHop assaults already happen the only way for them to stop happening at such a large rate is to educate younger people by teaching them that women's bodies are not something sexual , making it normal to go without a top or bra will do that. I've already accepted that my body is gonna be sexualised regardless of what I do and wear at least with this movement there'll be progress, plus if a woman is uncomfortable with it they don't have to go topless it's 100% their choice I understand the concern but women get raped while wearing hoodies and tracksuit bottoms , it's not the clothes it the rapist mentally that is so prevalent everywhere

[@shirin2909]

so basically desensitize the ppl?

[@_Toyis]

@@shirin2909 yea pretty much

[@talia9895]

do this again with people who understand that the movement doesn’t just mean having your breasts out. it’s about breastfeeding, equality, and the desexualization of the female body to circumvent objectification

[@hilmazeca9553]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@almachavez6814]

Noelle didn’t bring much to this convo. She seems to live in a boxed mindset.

[@TheCman-we3qu]

Sadly we can’t rely on parents to teach all these things to their kids. Some people don’t even have parents. What we need is a new school system that has kids backs when parents don’t. If a kid is getting nothing but abuse and negativity at home how are you supposed to put it on parents. Just teach kids real lessons in school instead of indoctrinating them with useless information.

[@birdmaxwell]

!!!!

[@janeo8045]

Stop blaming school for everything

[@themagnificentorange672]

@@janeo8045 Who is blaming school lol? U have to at least use some of your brain if you're going to watch Jubilee Debates

[@brynndally9869]

Yes!

[@Yng619]

I completely disagree school is basically a place where a bunch of different sets of beliefs are. Free the nipple is a question of opinion, 1+1=2 isn't and that's why it's not taught at school.

[@emmairwin581]

That Billie comment really didn’t make much sense to me, especially considering her recent vogue cover/met gala looks. I believe Billie didn’t want to show her body to avoid sexualisation while she was underage, again bringing the conversation back around to the way men treat women🙃

[@moemamadarasz4016]

Plus, of course different women have different ways to feel empowered. Free the nipple is all about giving women a choice, obviously not every woman is going to want to walk around shirtless!

[@swizzwizz12]

Her team mad her do it.

[@NarutoUzumaki-hj2hb]

It’s always about how men treat women or how it’s always the men’s fault for things. These types of women are the ones who feel like they are victims 24/7 and end up living in fear of men cause welp they are misandrists

[@brynndally9869]

Yes exactly! That’s what I thought she was going to talk about! She must not know the reason why Billie wore baggy clothes

[@Yng619]

@@moemamadarasz4016 i wouldn't call someone that searches for men validation confident

[@oliviasalovaara5914]

Skeleton woman basically says that she can’t focus on your personality or respect a person with their boobs out👍🏽

[@blast2686]

Says the person who’s body shaming her

[@CheeseCake5990]

@@blast2686 She wasn't body shaming? She said skeleton woman because her t-shirt has skeleton hands on it

[@anonymousbo0318]

@@blast2686 I think its her shirt design. Wouldn't make sense otherwise as both women against it were curvy and definitely not skeletons. Only "skeletons" here would be the 45 year old or/and the trans person.

[@oliviasalovaara5914]

@@blast2686 she has a skeleton T-shirt i’m not bodyshaming anybody.

[@georgiasomething2064]

@@blast2686 LMAO WOOPS I MADE THE SAME MISTAKE

[@icemoons]

''This movement will lead to more sexual attacks against women'', the only way I could agree to this, is if aggressors take advantage of the movement to assault more people. Other than that, I disagree because a movement (which main purpose is to liberate the human body) can't be the cause of sexual assault occurring. It doesn't make sense to blame a movement, when the actual aggressors are the ones responsable for the sexual assault rates going up every year. We are very much aware that anyone can be a victim of sexual assault in today's society, regardless of what they wear or how they present their body in public. It's time to put the blame on the real source of the problem.

[@boyfriendforevvv]

@Nibras Yunus if that was the case they why do women get assaulted even when they're covered from head to toe??

[@icemoons]

@Nibras Yunus So it’s the woman’s fault? Seems like you’re not using your brain at all.

[@baileysmith7273]

And at this point no matter what their gender is, men rape crimes are starting to get higher, we need to stop sexual assault and rape crimes without excusing the assaulter because no matter what you are wearing or your gender, people with no morals aren't going to behave themselves when they see a shirt....

[@Kguerrero555]

@Nibras Yunus no. The point is that no single aspect or person is responsible for these actions other than the attacker themselves. Regardless if someone is covered head to toe or nude that doesn’t give any other person (attacker) the right to take advantage of it. Let’s stop victim blaming and start putting responsibility where it’s due.

[@togami5570]

@@boyfriendforevvv Assault will happen regardless, but aggressors are more likely to attack a woman who is showing her anatomy off more. People are more likely to hit on a Hooters waitress than a woman in a Hijab

[@LUKALAmusic]

I feel like the lady in the maroon cardigan wasn’t trying to hear anything from the other side. Free the nipple movement doesn’t need to be 1 to combat every other movement, it can also just be as simple as women don’t need to be censored 24/7 for something that every human body naturally has.

[@tyry1357]

Yes

[@justcallmeandy5180]

For real

[@ioncekilledamanwithmyshoe]

The "don't need to be censored 24/7 for something that every human body naturally has" is flawed logic. If that were the logic we were going on, we might as well have men to be slinging their dicks out and about. Unless you're also rooting for that, it's flawed.

[@ariana_208]

5:18 no one is making it illegal to wear a sports bra. Allowing other people to go topless doesn’t affect whether or not you want to

[@ddzombot]

Either women AND men should have to cover up or we should all just grow up and realize that we ALL have nipples.

[@vixymix101]

Wise words

[@Nothing-37125]

I’m down! No problem with women showing their breasts 😅

[@user-pw5pi2ii6l]

@@Nothing-37125 we are talking abt de-sexualization of female breasts, quite opposite of what you want, let women live for god's sake

[@Nothing-37125]

@@user-pw5pi2ii6l goodluck programming most men to not view breasts in a sexual way

[@joylox]

Personally I prefer if everyone wears shirts, but nipples showing through shouldn't be a point of bullying or sexism, because that's normal, and not everyone wants to or can wear super thick clothing to hide that. It just seems silly where people draw the lines.

[@niamhharikasen7848]

i'm into modesty (not hard-core but a bit) and i don't see a problem at all. i'm constantly being sexualized for having a big chest and i would never ever do this but why would i care for other women being topless?

[@Nothingeveralways]

Yeah, also free the nipple would help normalize things such as women breastfeeding in public

[@niamhharikasen7848]

@@Nothingeveralways true :D

[@wtfandie6113]

exactly! I don't think there's anything wrong if you choose to wear a bra and don't feel comfortable being topless (bc that's how I feel), the problem is interfering with the choices of others tho

[@mindy5027]

Same! I personally wouldn't feel comfortable being completely top less (im hardly comfortable in a swim suit at the beach or pool) but just because I don't want to doesn't mean other women shouldn't be aloud to. It's all about choice everyone should have the right to do what they want with their body.

[@niamhharikasen7848]

@@wtfandie6113 yes! oftentimes i'm called prude or "oppressed" bc i'm visibly middle eastern and i'm being forced to cover up HAHAHAHAH like i'm atheist and my parents are least forcing people ever

[@baahsu]

"I think sex education should be in the home and I understand that some people don't have great parents" dude, then maybe it shouldn't be in the home??

[@saranguyen2788]

But she also said at her school sex education wasn’t taught in a healthy way. That’s why she believes it should be taught at home by parents. Her argument still make sense

[@baahsu]

@@saranguyen2788 ​The problem with the school is solved by hiring better professionals. If the parents are the ones supposed to be teaching what do you do with the ones that abuse their kids or are too conservative to teach anything responsibly? You can't just fire them. Her argument is flawed

[@saranguyen2788]

@@baahsu She never said whether it was just the teacher or the sex education program of her school itself that was unhealthy. She said she went to a private school, which often does have its own curriculum especially in regards to sex Ed. So your solution (just fire the teacher) wouldn’t solve the problem either. There are resources to deal with abusive parents. Her argument was simply to still leave it up to the parents to teach sex ed. The solution would have to more complex to stop it completely

[@NS-et5wh]

@@saranguyen2788 If it is taught in schools, at least most of the kids will have two sources. Parents and school. One might be bad, but then they can get better education from the other. If it is only taught by parents a LOT of kids wont get any education on it, or bad education on it with no alternative sources.

[@saranguyen2788]

@@NS-et5wh I agree

[@eastsky2005]

Why didn't they talk about Breastfeeding in public?! I mean that is the most important issue related to the topic. Men's mammary glands aren't functional and serve no role, women's do. But as soon as women's bodies stop revolving around male pleasure, it becomes "disgusting". 🙄

[@ThatSillyGirl84]

I loved hearing Alexa’s take especially her personal experiences during her transition and how she felt she is perceived by others

[@pancakes0886]

i would never feel comfortable not wearing a bra and going completely topless but i could care less about what other people do. if you are comfortable doing it then all power to you

[@tatyana9068]

While this conversation was frustrating Alexa and August made solid points. So glad that you had them.

[@abbyj963]

I don’t like what those two women were saying. Just because we want the right to go shirtless doesn’t mean every woman HAS to go shirtless. We just want to be able to if we please

[@folasadeakintunde8814]

for the sex education portion of this video, I feel like it would be more beneficial for everyone's education if licensed sex therapists, gynecologists, urologists, AND relationship therapists were to educate kids on the topic of sex. Most schools and families suck when it comes to sex education which is why a professional third party would (hopefully) properly educate children about parts of the body, consent, safe sex and healthy relationships in general. Honestly if a gynecologist came to my school and just simply explained where and what body parts do it would answer so many questions for so many people regardless of their age.

[@joylox]

This happened after I was already past this grade, but the private school I went to started bringing in nurses to talk to grades 6-8 (about ages 11-14) about puberty, how the body works, and a bit of sex-ed type stuff. I think they usually would do it at the same time as vaccination day (here you get vaccines in grade 7) so it would be the same group of nurses, and make things a bit easier to talk about, especially for girls who were getting the HPV vaccine. But when I was that age, we just had the school nurse/PE teacher talk about puberty and relationships, which frankly was some bad advice. I didn't know what was normal so I didn't know I had a hormone imbalance, or that I'm asexual, or even what consent was! Thankfully I was able to find doctors and KZbin channels that could explain things better, Sexplanations being one of the better resources I found, but oh, I really wish a professional actually talked about things like periods, bras, shaving vs not, and all that stuff that girls often make fun of each other for, or feel they need to be ashamed of. I've never been bullied by a guy for my choices around bras or shaving, but I have been by so many girls, bullied into doing stuff that physically was uncomfortable all for the sake of "fitting in," which people have now started calling the toxic female gaze, where girls bully other girls for not being girly enough.

[@bluee4943]

I'll back later when the comment section is finally cooked

[@kenzahcarstairs5417]

me too

[@chryox2801]

Same

[@eleanor1762]

LMAOO

[@adri6159]

fr

[@Daisika]

Lmaooo me too

[@GodofLovers]

Fun fact: men were not allowed to go topless in public in America a long time ago. I walk around without a shirt sometimes when I want sun and I just don't feel like wearing a shirt. If woman want to do it. Then why not. We both got nips.

[@lukerose384]

Because of perverts

[@ricardoduarte8709]

@@lukerose384 perverts exist and rap3 even in countries where women are fully covered from head to toe, what's your point? What this movement and the nudist movement are trying to do is to desexualize the female body just for being female.

[@yeyzee]

@@ricardoduarte8709 period👍🏼

[@mewesquirrel6720]

@@ricardoduarte8709 which won't happen. No matter how much you try it's not going away

[@Rimorox]

@@ricardoduarte8709 if you desexualize woman, you desexualize sex. The only motivation men have is the biological attraction to woman. If you desexualize the female body men won’t care about women and then we will not procreate any longer.

[@dallasbattles7506]

"all the track people running around without a shirt on annoyed me" have you ever ran? It's hot and sweaty of course they're going to take their shirts off.

[@Straumnes]

It's unacceptable and immodest in most cultures for men to be shirtless in public. In the few places that it is acceptable (the Western world) it's douchey and trashy.

[@dallasbattles7506]

@@Straumnes They're not just in public. They're on a running track. There's a difference between being shirtless in a Walmart and being shirtless on a running track or beach. Stop trying to group all experiences into one. Of course, in most circumstances, it's inappropriate to be without a shirt, but that's not the issue. The issue is were taught that being shirtless is inappropriate EVERYWHERE

[@jisoo1571]

But women running track would be just as hot and sweaty but are expected to keep their shirt on...

[@dallasbattles7506]

@@jisoo1571 I don't know if you can tell but I'm pro free the chest, BUT, women can wear crops, or athletic bras which expose lots of skin, making for cooler running

[@pnut3844able]

Exactly. That women has had an incredibly sheltered and conservative life. It's sad.

[@themaraccas]

"life isn't fair, the society isn't fair" yes that's exactly the point, people are fighting to change that and make the world a better place for all.

[@grizz7714]

That wasn't the point. The point is, that we, as a society, have to curb certain freedoms in order to function. "Freeing the nipple" is a movement that fights for "freedoms" that barely bring any utility to anyone, and is composed mostly by delusional dipshits that have no concept how normal people behave.

[@christina8866]

true but free the nip won’t change the way men treat women imo. the issue lays far deeper than that

[@MarcioLiao]

Everytime someone use the word "sacred" to justify something, i roll my eyes...

[@ladyhomeborn1447]

The first use of that word was on the anti free the nipple side, but was edited out- a comment about woman's body being sacred, so I said we're not more sacred than men/males.

[@MissingYouser]

@@ladyhomeborn1447 The problem with this is what you’re saying makes it seem like certain body parts aren’t different than others. This would mean that having forced sex with a woman would be the same as just sticking your finger up her nose. I believe what’s going on is woman want to feel that they are equal to males but they go about this by trying to be just like men. Men and women have different bodies and that’s why the law normally treats them differently.

[@ladyhomeborn1447]

@@MissingYouser I could almost argue until I’m bellowing and blue in the face, but I know too well you are a hopeless lost cause.

[@MissingYouser]

@@ladyhomeborn1447 If that’s what you truly believe then keep living that way. I just like to observe the way people act when their thoughts are challenged.

[@havenprizmich9217]

Right🙄 everybody sells their body/time/labor to survive. Nothing and nobody is sacred under capitalism lmao

[@TheOneTonHammer]

5 people with 5 bad arguments. yikes.

[@alexaramachandran7392]

Thank you Jubilee for having me on! Really enjoyed this conversation:)

[@ladyhomeborn1447]

I am so grateful to have met you and rallied on the same side. You are always in my heart!

[@eklectiktoni]

Alexa, I loved your viewpoint. I felt you had the most insightful responses. :)

[@caitlynlewis4539]

"No one should be entitled to do something they don't have to do" I don't think this girl understands what "entitled" or "rights" means. Just because you have the RIGHT to do something doesn't mean people are going to FORCE you to do it...that's completely against the idea of rights??

[@luvsp4ula]

Why do people get alarmed by the human body, it just doesn’t make sense

[@inanimatemist8610]

Lmao I agree it's weird

[@tanushbhatt1419]

No matter how serious you are about your movement the name "free the nipple" always cracks me up no clue why

[@pnut3844able]

Bc you're immature, that's why.

[@supreme5580]

🤣🤣

[@lonewaer]

Because "nipple" is a funny word. Ignore the shaming.

[@tanushbhatt1419]

@@pnut3844able admittedly so

[@josephligart4944]

I think we should normalize it. In the Middle East seeing a woman’s face is considered “tempting.” In our culture it’s completely normal. It’s all about how things are perceived. Like, who cares if ya wanna be topless go for it! If not, we’ll that’s your choice. Free the nipple!

[@CheeseCake5990]

Just chiming in to say it depends on the part of the Middle East. Most Middle Eastern countries do not require or expect women to cover their faces. That being said, someone close to me who is Middle Eastern has explained to me that hair is fetishized in their culture similarly to how women's breasts are, meaning it can be viewed as "tempting" or "obscene" for a woman to show her hair outside the home. To me whether it's wearing a shirt, a hijab, whatever, it should be a woman's choice and she shouldn't have to worry about assault just for being human and not wanting to be covered.

[@averagemeatballsenjoyer817]

The rule's there for others to feel comfortable.

[@ioncekilledamanwithmyshoe]

But the difference is that those men wouldn't get horny if a woman were to expose her face to them, lmao.

[@yesplease6399]

@@averagemeatballsenjoyer817 imagine being so affected by someones face that you need them to cover it in order to be comfortable... sounds like a you problem, not a me problem xD

[@averagemeatballsenjoyer817]

@@yesplease6399That's being pretty selfish you know. I don't even think you will even have use for these rules but instead just want to feel somewhat ''equal''. We're not equal tho, just necessary.

[@julian4805]

The free the nipple movement has many other, larger implications beyond just taking a top off. For me, it all boils down to just choice, having that option. I'm 100% all for the free the nipple movement KNOWING I'll probably never participate in walking on a beach or park shirtless. But I don't want to live in a world where I can't change my mind or where my friends and family don't have that option either. There's empowerment knowing I kept my shirt on NOT because I HAD to but because I CHOSE to. For me, and maybe for a lot of people with breasts, freeing the nipple looks like choosing to not wear a bra under a shirt and not getting looks. Bras are SO uncomfortable, underwire or not. I feel sorry for people who are offended by the natural shape of a breast.

[@Alternity666]

People who agree with the first statement never lived hot temperatures.

[@pnut3844able]

Yep. Come on down to south GA and then say that lol

[@ashleywright4817]

Lol I live in jamaica and the sun here is very hot and that doesnt make me want to go outside naked

[@key1853]

@@ashleywright4817 no deadass

[@pnut3844able]

@Don K 90? That's cute

[@stickshiftsteph9968]

fun fact, the german name for nipple literally translates to "breastwart" and I think that probably has something to do with why nipples are less sexualized in Europe.

[@charmagne2102]

Ima use that now.

[@melonoire]

BAHAHAHAHHA love that word

[@Miranda-gi9fx]

I live in Europe, France specifically and I did not know that nipples were less sexualized here...

[@yesplease6399]

@@Miranda-gi9fx maybe not where ur from then? idk

[@trcemalemretr]

Much more funnier fact , the fun fact above is why the vast majority of the pornstars also come from europe originally .

[@ぼじん-o5r]

Hi Jubilee. Please do a Middle Ground debate between Radical Feminists and Liberal Feminists. It will be soooo interesting. Thank you ❤ Edit: everyone please ignore the anti-feminist trolls in the comments. Their names are Syriku-P and HeyB,itsme. They're only interested in making strawman arguments, loaded questions and bombarding the comments with lots of replies so that ppl can't communicate more directly with each other. Have a nice day, folks.

[@MewwNew]

AAH THIS IS AN AMAZING IDEAA!!

[@heybitsme]

They are the same thing.

[@user-ws9ko1pu1y]

@@heybitsme advocating for women having equal rights isn’t radical 🙄

[@ぼじん-o5r]

@@heybitsme it's literally NOT the same thing. You'd know that if u simply did a small google research.

[@admiralkaede]

@@user-ws9ko1pu1y what rights do men really have that women don't have also don't forget women can't get drafted and there are other societal things that benefit women as well those also need to change virtually quality and women are from this may not like the negatives that come with it

[@fagitocumaeda]

“life isnt fair/society isnt fair” …but it SHOULD be.

[@masoomshafi7406]

I just realised Ciara's shirt. Looooool she's a troll huh? 🤣

[@ladyhomeborn1447]

Odd wardrobe choice that day.

[@aramintawilliams5205]

I noticed that too😂

[@icalivy]

Alexa was very insightful, I loved her perspective!

[@mooselove]

“I don’t like to tell people what to do” proceeds to tell people what to do

[@drakenhwa]

the thing that always annoys me is the people who are yelled at for breast feeding- they have theirs out for a function that needs to be met… while in the same breath, men walk around with their tops off, with no function to perform just because they’re too hot; yet, the woman breastfeeding is somehow the one being indecent?

[@drakenhwa]

also, if they take their shirts off because they’re too hot, isn’t it worse for us because we have boobs and bras add heat aswell…

[@t_papi]

The "answer" to what issue? Not wearing a shirt?? Lmao

[@ricardoduarte8709]

And if they mean r4p3, we can take a look at middle eastern countries where women are covered from head to toe literally, and yet monsters do it

[@mac9733]

I assume she means to answer to the overall sexualization of women paired with inequality

[@RAH.910]

@@ricardoduarte8709 R4p3 can happen anywhere; stop making it a Middle Eastern issue; after all, Middle Eastern countries are far safer for women than the free liberal America. Saying that as woman besides where are your statistics to back up your claims?

[@ricardoduarte8709]

@@RAH.910 my point is that don't blame r4p3 on whether women are clothed or not. I used that example because you can't see them bc of how clothed they are. And no, ME countries are not "far safer" than liberal America, need I remind you women can't vote, can't drive, mostly can't work, have to deal with abusive relationships because their voice is worth nothing and on top of that her husband can marry other women if he pleases.

[@MissingYouser]

@@ricardoduarte8709 It’s not a blame thing it’s just risk tolerance. Wearing more revealing clothing tempts the predator more so then if the person was wearing less revealing clothing. Think about it. A predator wants to know what they’re risking going to jail for. If they think they can get away with it and they can tell that they’re worth their time, they’re more likely to commit a crime.

[@caroliinalopes]

Whoever is offended by anyone being shirtless needs to get a hobby and mind their own business 😂

[@eleanor1762]

Right 😭😭

[@user-nk7xg8jn8q]

please don't be serious about this

[@keiron.4612]

I'm not offended if people wanna get naked feel free 🤭

[@caroliinalopes]

@@user-nk7xg8jn8q why would I not be serious? If it's not your body it's not your concern, mind your business, all you need to do 🤷‍♀️

[@mrizky5653]

@@chloestevens2389 Nude beach France

[@thespeedster7700]

I actually like this topic because I’ve had friendly disagreements with people about this

[@Emma-dp8lh]

its so weird to me that men are allowed to walk around shirtless for the sake of it but when a woman actually needs to go shirtless/ have a nipple exposes for a functional reason (not comfort) like breastfeeding its not ok?

[@MonkeyDLuffy-rr3wl]

I went to a beach abroad. I was on an empty seashore, sunbathing topless & an old lady was supping next to me, I was like "okay, nice, we both enjoy our time there", but she strarted coughing & looked at me ugly. What I did, wasn't illegal by any rules and was quite common in that country. That was the 1st time I've done that & honestly, after she did that, I've got naked and went for a swim lol.

[@M.I.22]

Lol I was so afraid you would say "after that, I never did it again". I'm so happy that you even freed yourself some more 😂

[@MonkeyDLuffy-rr3wl]

@@M.I.22 What can I say? I was in a quite bitchy & confident mood, so yes, I did that. Fun-fact: You're right: it was the end of Summer, so I've never done it again since then, but I will.

[@M.I.22]

@@MonkeyDLuffy-rr3wl hahah it's amazing that you felt that confident! That woman must have been so shocked, wasn't she? Ohh well but it's nice to hear that it's not because you are afraid to do it now because of other people. Have fun next time 🤗

[@legend-mj4gv]

The old lady was right

[@Call_me_pweety]

You're a woman?

[@kingofnothing2260]

They always find people terrible at debates or weird. Where are regular people on these ever?

[@ricardoduarte8709]

Not minding these kinds of debates

[@mewesquirrel6720]

It's California. Sodom and Gomorrah

[@bendover8477]

Because they want watchtime. A normal debate would be very boring and would have way less watchtime, compared to Jubilee getting a bunch of radical weirdos to do the arguing.

[@Thatgirljules2]

I did a jubilee video and I’m sure this interview was over an hour but the editors pick and choose what they want in it. So it honestly could have been better but we just don’t see everything because of editing

[@ThomasBomb45]

These people are regular my guy. Get out of your bubble

[@AmandaNavarro]

"it's humid, especially in New York" excuse me what

[@nevadag606]

In summer time yes 🥲

[@xerogravityy]

Had a friend come over from New York to Houston. You guys dont know real humidity 😩 - we're literally the armpit of Texas.

[@SJ-qf2tz]

@@xerogravityy more like the crotch

[@pnut3844able]

Come on down to south GA, I'll show you what humidity REALLY is.

[@nevadag606]

Fr the south has wild humidity, I don’t pity y’all

[@theinternettrashcan]

do i think everybody should go topless in the streets? no, because i think there is a level of common decency that needs to be there. not everybody is comfortable with seeing half naked people in public and that should be respected. but i do think that women should be able to go braless without getting judged or harassed and also be able to breastfeed in public, because breasts shouldn’t be sexualized or shamed upon. everybody has nipples. a woman’s nipple shouldn’t be considered any more sexual or sacred than a man’s. (or any part of their body, since pretty much every part of a woman’s body has been sexualized at this point)

[@olivia251]

I really appreciated hearing Alexa's opinions. I think everything she said made a lot of sense. Anywhere where it's appropriate for men to be shirtless, it should also be appropriate for women. The problem is the patriarchal society we live in that over sexualizes and objectifies women's bodies. Men aren't objectified in the way women are, which is why they can be shirtless. I'm a very small chested female (I'm 20 tho, so not still developing) and ive seen lots of bio men who have bigger boobs than me (usually due to being overweight) but no one bats an eye if they're shirtless. The problem is not the size of the boobs, but whose body it belongs to (i.e. female vs males). The fact that women can't be shirtless anywhere where men can is a problem bc it's just another symptom of the oversexualization and objectification of women.

[@ethanvsetula6663]

Jidion just casually went and started a whole ass movement.

[@GodofLovers]

I saw that video lol.

[@jezuzlopezzz4474]

facts😂😂

[@tatenelson3577]

Was looking for this comment lol

[@judethaddeus9856]

Huh

[@themagnificentorange672]

Who

[@abbigailcarr2725]

“Women don’t deserve the same rights as men bc life isn’t fair” wow what a take

[@alanharris986]

Alexa's perspective was definitlty the most valuable to this conversation. She has the deepest insight into the difference between male and female nipples. I also feel like she said things that were both for and against the movement.

[@vaaance710]

I'm probably never gonna be shirtless, but I wanna ditch the bra underneath my shirt. So I'm pro free the nipples... I'm an A cup and there's really no point for a bra...

[@vaaance710]

@Evelyn 21 y.o - check my vidéó yeah like breasts are sexual and private because only women have it? How about Adam's apple. Only men have it so it has to be sexual right. Why don't men wear a bra around their Adam's apple. I swear it's more comfortable than a bra. It's not as heavy and sweaty.

[@acookie9388]

Lol

[@yesplease6399]

im a b cup... still no point for bra

[@Ihavpickle]

Saggy bobs

[@hannahdershem6815]

would love to see a middle ground regarding purity culture/sex ed in schools. i know there is also lots of gov. legislation happening regarding sex ed so seems relevant! love all these videos.

[@Shura4219]

In summer I really feel the pain of the double standards between men's and women's bodies. I live in a hot and humid country, majority of my male coworkers just wear a formal shirt and nothing underneath and that's fine. But for I have to wear an undershirt because my nipple print might show or my bra might show. I have to suffer in this heat just because of societies views on propriety.

[@lavibratariana1539]

Most balanced middle ground ever. Super respectful. Also, free the nipple!

[@Heytheredelisandwich]

I remember once as a kid I saw two shirtless/braless women and I felt so uncomfortable. Especially because I was with my family. I can’t say that I still don’t feel that same way being 20, but i still believe women should be able to be free in that area. A bit off topic but only recently I started going to sleep braless now that I live with just women. I always tried to avoid showing too much skin because I’m scared how males in my family would react and I don’t want my relationship to change with them. I used to be groomed by my waaaay older cousin from the time I was in the second grade up until the third grade when he moved countries. Regardless how I feel, I want others to do what makes them feel comfortable. I also think it’s unfair men can be shirtless and women can not. My mind is a bit confusing.

[@adrianmerisier22]

the idea of the movenment is to rid that feeling of shame/fear when nipples are shown

[@miarabea401]

I never understood why the nipple is the only thing on the chest that has to be covered. Men have nipples too, what they don’t have is the rest of the boob, but that I’m allowed to show? It doesn’t make any sense to me.

[@3rdfitzgerald]

Female breasts are secondary sex characteristics that's the difference

[@miarabea401]

@@3rdfitzgerald ok but why does the nipple have to be covered then and not the whole breast?

[@KAIZENTECHNOLOGIES]

@@miarabea401 stop pretending like that isn't sexualized too!

[@BooksToAshes]

@@3rdfitzgerald Some men are also aroused by stimulation of their own nipples but why is that okay to show? Also it's secondary. The main purpose of breasts are to nurse young, yet woman are told to cover up by doing the most natural thing a mother can do. Makes no sense to me.

[@miarabea401]

@@KAIZENTECHNOLOGIES of course it is but for example on Instagram you only have to cover your nipples with a tiny black dot or something like that and it’s not only Instagram who does this. When only the nipple is covered the outcry is much smaller than when it’s not.

[@andrewgilliam3891]

I’m not sure who we would converse with, but I would LOVE to be on an episode of Middle Ground involving addicts in recovery. I am a heroin addict in the recovery community who has rebuilt my life from scratch and I feel like the addict stigma and the debate of whether it’s a “disease” or not would fit so well on this series!

[@Jake-li7ih]

Idk I'm a guy and I've never walked out the house without a shirt, not even to get the mail. I just think in a civilized society people should be dressed, honestly just seems like common sense to me tbh...

[@Bringon-dw8dx]

You are in a rare group of people. I’m a woman an in my own home I’m always topless. Men in public seem to never have a top on the second it gets hot

[@pnut3844able]

Your idea of civilized is subjective. Others shouldn't have to be told what to do with their bodies just to satisfy you and your ideals. It's just skin. That's it dude. It's no different than leg skin, face skin etc.

[@Bringon-dw8dx]

@@pnut3844able that concept seems to be blowing some peoples minds in the comment section Porn, films, music videos etc have really corrupted people

[@brendagalvez4982]

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[@pnut3844able]

@@Bringon-dw8dx just bc you think it's corruption doesn't mean it is. Morals are completely subjective.

[@vidhanmehta9960]

On this topic, a true libertarian would argue that: "Their body their choice."

[@ifrankenstein7455]

The world is going nowhere with all these things. Soon they'll say free the dick or it's ok for men to show their dicks in public. Like wtf

[@Mendhakk]

@@ifrankenstein7455 there is a difference. That won't happen as no specific gender is allowed to show their genitals and I don't even think it should happen as birthing rates will downfall heavily as people won't get aroused enough if they always saw the thing they need to be aroused. Eg:- you ate a specific food for the majority of your life. Compared to the first time you ate it, it will taste worse, isn't it? Okay then, stop eating that food for a long time and then eat it again. Will it taste better than the last time you ate it? In my experience, yes. Same thing has happened to me. That's the reason why those parts are the bare minimum parts we need to cover. I hope u get it

[@shravyagurrapu5434]

Such a great nuanced dialogue… thank you all for your perspectives!

[@alexaramachandran7392]

you're welcome

[@ThomasBomb45]

I don't think the parts we were shown were that well nuanced. We didn't see an actual argument for freeing the nipple or against. That was edited out. All we saw was some incoherent dialogue

[@LeNimph]

I wished they talked more about breastfeeding because I feel like thats where the real power of free the nipple comes from. Women should be able to breast feed their children in public. That's what they're for.

[@MizanQistina]

What I find funny is, all these issues are problems for the people of urban civilization, while indigenous natives don't have such problem. I wonder why...? Most indigenous natives are/still/were topless. I remember a story from my mom, about my grandfather and his friends dirty talk of boobs when women walking around, one of them is an indigenous person, he don't like it and said "why talk dirty about it, are they not food for the children?". Despite my grandfather's friend is modernized, but he still hold to the old values, he see boobs as "children food", not something to talk dirty about. Yes, indigenous people in my country were topless, can watch the documentary here on You Tube, "Orang Asli in the Malayan Jungle 1947".

[@mewesquirrel6720]

And yet there's a lot of indeginous women gone missing 🤔

[@MizanQistina]

​@@mewesquirrel6720 Yes, in the case of my country, there are many cases during colonization, invasion, WW2 and post-WW2. The soldiers cannot stand looking at boobs in the jungle, especially the foreign army.

[@MsDudette21]

that has more to do with the fact they just dont have clothes. so of course they are used to it. if it was like that to begin with itd make more sense. but it was never like that for us..not since we were cave motherfuckers. i think this is lame comparison. they also dont live in an industrialized society. same with the amish. just cuz they dont use electricity doesnt mean we can live without it or just change our lifestyle and expect everyone to follow suit

[@MizanQistina]

@@MsDudette21 If indigenous people can assimilate with modern people, adopting modern values, then why modern people can't do the same? The colonials come and change everything as according to their values, forcing the natives to accept the change. Then perhaps by using the same method, modern people today can accept the old ways...?

[@MsDudette21]

@@MizanQistina why the fuck would we want to? old ways are outdated for a reason

[@nydirahnuble9490]

I very much disagree that sex ed should be taught at home because we know for a fact that people refuse to teach it at home. Like what.

[@revmaillet]

whenever something is forbidden... that's when people want it more.

[@aishacoulibaly469]

Wow, extremely well put!

[@pnut3844able]

Yup. Forbidden fruit tastes that much sweeter.

[@etf42]

Yep, psychological reactance theory

[@Jenniiiiiii92]

The dude saying a guy walking around the grocery store shirtless is weird made me laugh. As an Australian that lives close to the beach that's pretty normal

[@adrianmerisier22]

were talking abt the average person, the no shirt no shoes no service ordeal

[@samantastrautina6694]

FREE THE NIPPLE! It is just an set of NIPS! If MEN can't keep it in pants, THEIR problem!🙂 AND it is human's body part! IT IS NATURAL!❤

[@antoine4199]

sexual pulsion are natural too lol

[@caroliinalopes]

@@antoine4199 everyone has sexual feelings, that doesn't make you entitled to anyone else's body though

[@adamcontreras68WD7]

Let's talk about all the times men get gropped grabed bumped into touched and noone bats an eye because we are "lucky" to get the attention. So tired of woman acting like they are the overwhelming victims... yall are just the overwhelming REPORTED victims. I've been 1.Hit by woman (domestic violence the f out of me because she got caught cheating) 2.Custody (woman are seen as better care takers even if they are abusive) I have so many jubilee ideas but they are actual problems and i don't think jubilee is ready to talk about the hard stuff.

[@ぼじん-o5r]

@@adamcontreras68WD7 just because YOU got harmed doesn't give u the right to be an @rse! Women are way way WAY more assauIted than men. Your assauIt case will never change that. So stop with your mra talking point and get therapy, boi

[@Djinn_Entonic]

@@adamcontreras68WD7 yes let's talk about all victims, because all deserve the same respect. All victims should be able to speak out. I am really sorry for everything that happened to you, but remember that your suffering doesn't make the other less valid and the same goes to you.

[@nevadag606]

Nobody said “you can’t wear a shirt/bra” they said “we should be able to not wear a shirt/bra if we don’t want to”. I’m 20, I still live with my parents, mother and father and my little sister. My sister and I were never raised to see our bodies as anything except for skin, at 20 I still walk around in only my underwear, I might put a hand over my chest for my dad’s comfort but he doesn’t make me put a shirt on and I don’t feel the need to. I have never understood the idea of making people cover up because our bodies are “sexual”.

[@char6081]

Wtf

[@abigailuzelac4228]

why do you feel the need to put your hand over your chest in front of your dad?

[@nevadag606]

Abigail Uzelac it’s not that he’s ever said anything about it being sexual or inappropriate, but I know that he doesn’t want to see my nips. For a few years they really tried to get my sister and I out of our nudist ways and it just never worked more for social conditioning than anything haha, so for the sake of “middle ground” I started putting my hand over my nips when walking around mostly nude. When it’s just mom sister and I, we all walk around without shirts on.

[@nevadag606]

Phoenix city I’m from the USA. Most families over here aren’t like this, and my parents raised me with that understanding. But I hAtE clothes, so I don’t wear them much at home. It cuts down on the amount of laundry I have to do soooo much, which is in turn environmentally friendly :)

[@alichehab5804]

sometimes free the nipple isn’t even about going shirtless but as simple as normalising nipple prints being shown under shirts and nobody batting an eye

[@mbrb1116]

Imagine copying a comment word for word lol

[@Niezalau]

Jacob definetly has hidden intentions

[@lieslct]

The fact I was searching for a new middle ground to watch and this just got uploaded at the perfect time 😏

[@Jess7FireAtWill]

I really wish there was a bit more fire in this conversation. Asking harder hitting questions and asking others why they think the way they think. I would definitely been challenging red sweater girl's ideologies constantly throughout the video.

[@danevon91]

I’m very glad they had a trans woman cast for this video, i feel like she cracked the topic wide open

[@bigtoe1713]

I feel like feeling comfortable in your body makes it more sacred than hiding it.

[@graciemartinez7042]

I love how everyone is having a respectfull argument, wish it could always be like that!

[@adrianmerisier22]

except for the fact they finished where they started