Should GRENINJA be BUFFED or is it a SKILL ISSUE?! | Pokemon Unite

Should GRENINJA be BUFFED or is it a SKILL ISSUE?! | Pokemon Unite
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[@CrisHeroes]

needs buffs or skill issue?

[@No-Name-N7]

Skill issue !!

[@PR_Galaxy]

Buff

[@allinonejunnusa7658]

Need buff on his hp and def stats

[@lucashong9675]

BUFF

[@puzzlepenguin2910]

Buff for sure

[@UmbraMK]

In my opinion Greninja is one of the most forgotten pokemon by the devs currently, he only thrives in some matchups on ranked but theres zero reason to play him competitively considering how much stronger most characters are.

[@YosefRabun]

he has a holloware that nobody even know it's the hero style Greninja it should have been free by now considering nobody buys it

[@DiabloGato10]

Facts

[@TerraSmash]

Besides the fact it's been bad for awhile now, power creep is another factor to why it needs a buff

[@toxicobra9953]

Doesn't matter the gren main player base is so bad that a buff will only make it's win rate go down

[@itapproaches3484]

It's sad to see as a gren main, Greninja mains are so brainwashed that they believe doing 90k/100k against bad players means Greninja needs no buffs

[@bluemastr7245]

​@@itapproaches3484 EXACTLY

[@kuroginava8498]

True

[@altarialover]

​@@itapproaches3484 honestly yeah, but I do decent damage and I think it doesn't need buffs. Oh well it's just my opinion.

[@yalegreninja]

How I would buff Greninja: - Increase of following stats: HP - Bubble: damage increased ; CD decreased (9s --> 8s) - Substitute: CD decreased (8s --> 6,5s) - Double Team: damage increased - Smokescreen: CD decreased (13s --> 10s) - Surf: CD decreased (9s --> 8s) - Waterburst Shuriken (Unite move): CD decreased (134s --> 112s)

[@lucykuo4871]

For the damage it does, the unite move should be on the 100s not on the 110s

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

Surf should be 7s and have it's damage increase to be able to actually be used in teamfights and not just as the finishing blow

[@lucykuo4871]

@@Hugo-yz1vb no, the idea of shuriken is team fighting and surf is for execution only. At most I see its cd lowered by 1 or 2 secs

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

@@lucykuo4871 Shuriken boring, Surf funnier

[@Talk_Sick_AI]

I love playing gren but the fact that gren is so squishy it is almost impossible to make plays with it

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

It makes your average Speedster look tanky I swear

[@MiMi-Elona]

They Should return the old surf and increase smoke screen duration invi and blind....

[@rjmustdie]

Returning player here, what happened to surf greninja?

[@BamaMophi]

I think the primary buff Greninja’s surf build needs is a reset window for the executive. Doesn’t have to be very long, could be: if you kill an enemy within .5s or 1s of hitting them with Surf, you still get the reset.

[@mimi_kyuwu]

You already get resets wdym.

[@deielbeast2]

I get to master every season with greninja other CC I want him to get more health in general. But Im 50/50 man cause Gren still got good damage, I used to love the surf build but im a just all shuriken and with the attack weight build I run I’m still able to do my thing I just had to play more team friendly in this Meta not alot of 1vs1s.

[@NickyTMemes]

They just need to make it playable in lane again. They need to buff froakie and frogadier

[@Alexandre-gg7qd]

It was never playable in lane, don't lie to yourself

[@jtdesverdad]

All ADC types need a buff or rework. Also, Greninja should have been a speedster. They need to change some mons type like Sylveon shpuld be an all rounder.

[@Mick4yD0nald]

Idk honestly some greninja player always nerf themself with totally not good build for the pokemon

[@RP-pu6oe]

Eevees are just better, everything about them is better so hp defenses buffs and cd on smokescreen lowered ofc, why does that thing have a 13 cooldown 😢

[@shanerpressley]

It's crazy seeing Greninja still be able to shread through HP while kiting and all the while knowing it's STILL being powercrept

[@monomushi]

There is just 2 sides of greninja in my experience. Either noob left gren, or pro right gren.

[@ledrew2370]

Everybody wants to buff his bulk, but with how much Greninja’s kit has, he should die to a sneeze if he misplays. The problem is his damage is so low with how bulky the meta is. Even with a fully stacked attack weight he barely touches anything. His ranged autos do next to nothing, ult barely does damage to bulk, and surf’s reset threshold is so low. Buff his attack stat and the scaling just slightly on ult and surf and he’s be good. People want a bulkier Greninja but that’s just to compensate for being a bad player and misplaying with him. He should get punished for that. But as a pseudo assassin he just doesn’t do assassin levels of damage and that’s the problem.

[@mohdbakhtiar454]

Rework would be more appropriate.... having a smokescreen/double team at level 5 makes him not viable as jungler, especially with those eeveelutions as enemy..... having surf or shuriken at level 5 would be much better

[@SilentVinyl]

Greninja really needs hp,defences, cooldown and dmg buffs

[@pranavkadam6818]

I would buff it's early game for sure and health maybe 😅

[@RainEragon]

It does need a buff but i'm scared of Gren that is in good hands.

[@granpoderoso3922]

Both. It need buffs but also people just don't know how to play Greninja

[@supervegeta101]

I would buff Garchomp. If I do the rush claw combo to two or more opponents, it should count as six hits and give me boosted.

[@hyunjees5907]

There is nothing wrong in greninja 😂. It's just other Pokemons got fat buffs 😂😂😂and they released more mons 😂

[@itapproaches3484]

That's exactly what's wrong with greninja, it's neglected, powercreep without changes ruined it

[@Orange_Juice-ge9lk]

i think they should revamp some pokemon to keep up with the new ones (just my opinion)

[@scmeeerr1253]

Mix of skill issue and needs buffs. Then again, even with some buffs, people will still suck as Greninja.

[@AshwinAhir55]

I had never seen 20FF Or kid playing it so of course it should be

[@amitayuhazra2258]

DOUBLE TEAM SHOULD HAVE STUN LIKE MEWOSQUARDA SPEEDSTAR THAT WOULD GIVE FROG SOME SPACE IN THE CURRENT STUN META

[@BerserkZeroYT]

The fact he has no stuns in his kit makes him bad he jist needs a range buff 9n water shins and basic atk range buff

[@drpoofffan5376]

Its perfect . Nerf comfey and zoroark

[@Parizad_017]

Really happy to see crisheroes trying for ninja getting buff ❤

[@j_r28]

No, Greninja is fine, just the meta is too cc heavy, certain team comps aren't good for greninja that's it.

[@luisfreiree]

He needs a buff on first and second form

[@mr._jgp]

100% needs to be buffed

[@jakersaridakis]

Plz buff my boy greninja

[@ismasoc5]

No, he is far too popular. It would take away from the diversity of the game. And that's something that would hurt the novelty of matches.

[@raghavendrakarthik8155]

day one of guessing crisheroes damage without seeing video i guess 97k wow that was close i swear i didnt watch the video

[@HappyAurora-sz6mx]

While yes surf should be buffed and smoke screen duration should be increased

[@mkgamingbgmi2024]

Greninja is too squishy

[@sarnasingh2132]

Good

[@weeniehutjr.3152]

Just give him more sustain

[@santhoshcs7873]

Most of the Ninja and cinder players 🤡

[@iLikeTheColorBvlue]

Greninja is already decent enough to be a carry. If you keep losing with it then it's a skill issue right there

[@solarium4884]

Partially true partially not. It's too squishy. Its competing with all the other attackers. Unlike them it takes a perfect gameplay to get an average result while even a single mistake(even random one like walk in your own area grass patch and an enemy is there) means you immediately die

[@itapproaches3484]

​@solarium4884 This, Greninja used to be a mon that thrived on snowballing, now it seems like Greninja is "be a higher level or get snowballed into irrelevance" I'm saying this as someone who's played Greninja since week 1.

[@iLikeTheColorBvlue]

@@solarium4884 that's why the way I play Greninja is not that of a brawler. Keep your distance and go in at the right time, and always stay with a tank. Back cap Greninja is probably the best way you can play this pokémon without getting squished flat that fast.

[@mclovinjdt]

Buff the playerbase

[@NawDawgTheRazor]

Buff please, anyone looks at you and you’re dead.

[@amasthedude1387]

Me: sees Greninja in the thumbnail Cris: Would you bu-? Me: *YES*

[@blameitondanny]

Definitely skill issue. Greninja is a glass cannon. At level 7, it can level the entire enemy team with surf or even shuriken. The player however, need some training to do before picking up Greninja. You cannot ult objective when they have 25% hp left to steal 😂

[@Parizad_017]

Wanna 1 vs 1 your greninja vs my greninja

[@blameitondanny]

@@Parizad_017 Why should I? I don't play Greninja.

[@itapproaches3484]

Keyword, can, it's insanely situational for Greninja to be able to do that, I really, want to see someone successfully surf a trevenant, ttar, Blastoise, slowbro, Azumarill, etc.

[@blameitondanny]

@@itapproaches3484 That's exactly the problem. You set a really high expectations for Greninja. Even the before nerf Icicle Spear can't 1 shot defenders. You don't go blindly fighting anything that move.

[@itapproaches3484]

@@blameitondanny #1 it couldn't one shot defenders but it sure as hell shredded their hp anyway with low effort and #2 whether you go aggressive or poke to look for openings it's still an issue, if you poke, your damage is underwhelmed and you can reliably get much damage on defenders without your team, and if you go too aggressive, then gren gets caught and dies if you mess up once.

[@luckyluxan2385]

I like how greninja is squishy, but to balance him out, timi should buff the attack stat. Only a little early game but a lot late game, so there is a trade for it's squishyness.

[@asch3736]

Earlier evo/skill if they just gonna let evees rolling at level 4,beside that i think all the skill is in good place is just that most of the time the user just dumb

[@yoivan123]

oo

[@lloydter]

Here's the thing, even tho gren is in a bad state it still isn't 'unplayable' as a majority of the yt comments make it out to be. It is a victim of power creep bcoz of the release of newer mons and especially slick spoon(that started a whole sp atkr meta). Meta is unkind to all physical ADCs in general but gren comes out on top. It needs some changes like hp and def for sure and maybe make its move deals more damage based on opposition hp as the meta is super bulky and unite cd buffs. Ss should have some extra effects too and/or lower cd. Maybe its time to Make ADcarry great again as the "special stun" meta is super annoying.

[@smiley408]

Instead of buffing HP or Defenses like others are asking, i’d probably buff its attack stat. Because Greninja seems to be more like a mix of a speedster and an attacker, unlike other attackers such as Cinderace or Dragapult, who are equally as frail, they can deal heavy damage, Cinder with rapid basics and Dragapult with its high mobility options. So, i’d say we either give Greninja cooldown buffs for Smoke/Double and/or increase its attack stat from 146 - 460 to a higher 168 - 510. It’s a small buff, but i feel like it’ll help a lot, since Greninja was designed as a glass cannon it seems.

[@UltimateRaven]

The thing is that he does need HP increase since he is too squishy. All Speedsters have higher HP stats and even most attackers have high HP stats than him. If he needs to Surf safely, he needs at least some amount of bulk to do so than just more damage. Its actually way more balanced to buff HP than Attack Stat. He actually does good damage. So, he doesn't need the damage buff.

[@smiley408]

@@UltimateRaven the thing is, although it’d be good to have higher hp, with such low defenses, it’s better to spec entirely into his offensive kit in my opinion. Make him something like chandelure, a high damage dealing attacker which has low hp and paper thin defences

[@UltimateRaven]

@@smiley408 I can see where you are coming from but the thing is that, its good only for Water Shuriken. Surf is way too risky even with huge damage. So, increasing both Attack and HP stats makes sense.

[@UltimateRaven]

@@smiley408 I can see where you are coming from but the thing is that, its good only for Water Shuriken. Surf is way too risky even with huge damage because with one stun, you simply die. So, increasing both Attack and HP stats makes sense.

[@smiley408]

@@UltimateRaven so maybe they can increase its hp from 3000 - 5152 to 3300 - 5700+? Then the attack like i said before. So now it isn’t as squishy, can deal decent damage too, but isn’t bulky enough to be like defenders or all rounders.

[@Nate_river_2]

Buff surf

[@kshitijgamer749]

bro is noob he is playing selfish

[@mirvzdnb]

Just buff Surf that much, that you don’t need stacks anymore + a little bit more HP/Def and Greninja is fine. Wouldn’t change any other stats or moves.

[@itapproaches3484]

Eh that's probably the worst way to buff it, the main problem with Greninja is a few things 1. It's ganking phase is insanely weak 2. It gets shut down by strong tanks/cc mons around its level, some matches literally make surf impossible to use 3. Cool downs on smoke screen are horrible, there's no way Dragapult and Meowscarada should have invisibility better than Greninja and also have better cooldowns or just better uses overall, Meowscarada just has invis as and added benefit to its kit and Dragapult gets faster, increases its Guage, and has increased attack speed, Greninja doesn't have those benefits in a move that's part of its kit, and it has a long cooldown to boot

[@sinhi986]

its probably the weakest mon rn

[@Mick4yD0nald]

Obviously since its a starter pokemon

[@ramirez020]

Please DON'T buff greninja, I'm very surprised all the people that wants buff but these probably are the same with low skills, any greninja build is great if you know how to use it

[@UltimateRaven]

What I want for Greninja is to get buffs on Smokescreen, HP stats and then Unite Move CD to 112 or 118 seconds. Just these buffs may make him viable in the meta.

[@Lucarecus]

Yeah it makes no sense when there are mons that have insane cooldowns and hp Unite move at low cooldown (especially the releases after laparas) And there's greninja which is kinda a melee range and one stun is all it takes to kill you I love playing shuriken than surf cuz you can have a safe distance but if I get vol tackle one time I'm dead I tried aeos cookie before but it doesn't help too

[@Lucarecus]

The evees,garydos, delphox,garde all the strong unite moves have low cooldown so i don't understand why greninja doesn't have the same privilege

[@nightfrost3041]

Very squishy for how close it needs to get in a game overwhelmed with CC and he himself could use a CC. Like the double team clones hitting you could cause a slow. Walking into the smokescreen applies a slow smoke item effect and so on. Also surf could do a little more damage or rework the move so that it resets on kills and lowers cooldown if you hit something under half hp

[@johndou6624]

I think they need to buff surf build, compare it to the meta Pokémon it is relatively weak, good players can still get multiple kills with it, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t need buffs, it smarter for developers to just buff his crit damage so both build can benefit from it

[@taco_spider1840]

I was the Gyarados in this match and it was so painful. I was abondoned on my own in top lane as Magikarp and the jungler Cinder had choice specs.....standard game of solo q unite.......

[@NathanIgou]

Ikrrr, there team gets God's like cris and I get teammates that prob play on there moms phone

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

​@@NathanIgou That being a phone that can barely run the game I might add

[@NathanIgou]

@@Hugo-yz1vb yessss

[@TravelingMerchant]

Greninja needs more survivability

[@magoquinto1666]

Give Greninja more life steal. The smokescreen dash should have a small invincibility frame like the substitute doll. The clones from doubleteam should do almost as much damage as the real Greninja. CD of everything needs to be lowered.v

[@NathanIgou]

I feel like ur making greninja look better than he is, ur overleved bc jungle and stacks. Im not saying thats bad thats what a jungler does but grenenga in lane is booty cheeks

[@Green28515]

100% and anybody who says otherwise has not played greninja against actual good players

[@munchlacks2900]

I don’t want greninja to get buffed because then I’ll have more griefers in my games

[@SBSlim19]

i feel like the unite could be buffed. not like how it used to be maybe but i feel like buffing the unite gives it more viability tho

[@fortnitehero3579]

The only thing we need a buff to is the playerbases iq.

[@superdubdub]

Buff, the champ is not good

[@HammadKhan-fk2dn]

It needs a HP or defense buff damage is decent

[@PR_Galaxy]

Buff

[@mimi_kyuwu]

I want it removed from the game.

[@anthonnygutierrez8236]

All greninja needs is more shields, no stats because it makes sense to be squishy, but the UNITE move doesn't give a proper shield and maybe Surf can collect a shield everytime it resets? sort of like the Dragapult stacks, I think attackers should be able to develop damage but always be squishy.

[@littlerob2244]

I am a greninja main and as much as I love playing this pokemon, I truly do believe that Greninja does not need a nerf. It has its moments, there are definitely better options but if you play Greninja right you can do really good. And plus I also don’t know what to buff without making it too op. If I had to change anything, I’d give it more defense when using moves and maybe make distance traveled when using smoke screen longer

[@HardcoreSuperNoob]

Could've perhaps gotten 100k damage if you had used your last unite and surf on that Snorlax instead of on nothing :(

[@hammyman]

hidden top tier

[@BerserkZeroYT]

Range basic atk just needs buffed and cinderace range as well like how does range mages have longer range but not the phiscal atkers either nerf the range on mages to pair with phiscal atkers or buff the range on phiscal attackers to pair with mages

[@Cosob3]

Definitely buff when it comes to smokescreen and double team

[@CycloneAlen]

His description for Tyranitar's unite as any kid's tantrum is so true and funny😂😂

[@zeeshankhan7936]

cris i think gren only need more hp or defences no need to buff ability they are already broken

[@ElectroXD_1]

As a greninja main, it’s hp, def needs buff!

[@BeastPoke777]

I will buff sableye💀☠

[@adityasuvarna2511]

no

[@RadhaDas-kc6zz]

Buff this frog, just let randumbs play their greninja I am tired of them being bad and becuase it is weak Pokémon also

[@strix_zeno8722]

Ninja surely need hp and def buffs . He is playing solo queue which is ok but i personaly play 5 stack tournaments and ninja is useless against cc and if stunned once you are surely dead . One of the worst to choose in 5 stack as centre area Pokemon