SHOULD THE CHURCH BE BUILDING BIGGER AUDITORIUMS? || Apostle Emmanuel Iren

[@chris_b1684]

I’m a member of winners chapel And I’ve been helped financially severally God has literally used this same church to pay my fees and that of my younger brother The church does a lot of good things behind the scene

[@Christianosshorts.]

Thank you for sharing your story ❤️

[@oluwafemisanusi3122]

@@chris_b1684 Good news

[@BLESSING-OJOADENIYI]

Thank God for messages like this, I live in Redemption Camp and I know what God is doing with RCCG. Within this economic issues, Mummy Adeboye gave us rice and garri. Apart from people that work with RCCG that they all give accomodations. God bless the church.

[@Christianosshorts.]

Thank God for your testimony ❤️, All those people saying what not,

[@OlutolaEboselume]

Rice and garri?? Ahn!! Omoo

[@olusegunorukotan6389]

Ayaaa!!! Thank you pastey

[@ShedrackLawrence-shed]

Pastor Iren is right. However the idea that adminstrative good works done by the church should be hidden is where we are missing it. On an individual level (just like private prayers) your giving should be confidential but on a cooperate level(denomination for accountability sake to the children of God) the good works done by the church should not be hidden. If there is free hospital we should all know and fund it more to make it better. If there are free schools by church it should be open for all to know and also be funded more by his children. Nothing should be hidden. Purpose of the church is soul winning not church membership, there were strategies the early missionary used when they went to preach the gospel to nations. They used the power of God, also free medicals, free education, free borehole(manpower water pumps) to penetrate the local communities of those poor nations and this brought people close to God through those projects. In essense its okay to let the people know what community service the churches are doing. I don't believe offering n donations given to church is church money its God's money donated by his children, who are not in error to know the progress made by the church to do God's work. I believe we all should emphasize more on Love for humanity as a church leading the way by example for others to follow. God bless

[@Christianosshorts.]

First of All, He did Not Say it should be hidden, He Said That Some people hold on to the biblical principle that "when your right hand does something your left hand should not know," that's why most churches don't really publish their good works. and yes i agree with you on making it known for accountability ❤❤.

[@ShedrackLawrence-shed]

@@Christianosshorts. I didn't say he said it should be hidden i pointed to the fact that that principal is more robust with individual giving however going forward the church should let its members and the body what community service projects they are doing and how to benefit and fund it better. We should not hide these things anymore. I believe in doing this we gain more respect from the world and the church also. God bless

[@oyinloluwaolatunji2504]

Respect from the world ke, the mission is to get the world saved not getting their respect and the biblical way of getting people saved is through the foolishness of preaching, humanitarian services must not be used to get people saved or it would lead to false conversion, preaching the death, burial and resurrection of jesus and the demonstration of power, is the biblical tool given.

[@ShedrackLawrence-shed]

​​@@oyinloluwaolatunji2504 yes but welfare is just a strategy to get their attention . But the core is preaching the gospel is with power

[@oyinloluwaolatunji2504]

@@ShedrackLawrence-shedpray, walk up to people and preach, the holy spirit that works on them to receive christ can also capture their attention to listen, more often that not, you always have to keeping on giving to them what you gave to attract them to keep them, I used to dash out money after envagelism, 2-3 years later they still want money.

[@temitopeadewale8929]

You meant to say Winners has 30,000 members of staff. All the same the message is crystal clear.

[@Christianosshorts.]

Thank you for engaging ❤️😊

[@loveoghena3200]

Yes oooo

[@evansglobal1]

Thank you Pastor Iren for amplifying the concerns of the Church. This is what I've been saying for a long time. Most people these days are so obsessed with ignorance and stupid pride.

[@Christianosshorts.]

Yes 😑

[@Christianosshorts.]

God help them 🙏

[@gateofterasministry5866]

I stand with you pastor.

[@Christianosshorts.]

😅😅

[@danieladeremi3070]

I have been thinking about this. Pastor you're right Sir. God bless you Sir

[@Christianosshorts.]

We are glad this video blessed you ❤️❤️

[@pastorkosi]

Thank you dad

[@Christianosshorts.]

We are glad this video blessed you ❤️❤️

[@toyosiolaolu2672]

God gave birth to you. Not another man

[@chris_b1684]

It’s not by putting everything infront of camera before you’ll know that the church is impacting lives spiritually, financially, morally , materially etc

[@ayolovephat]

"Kín ló ńṣẹ̀lẹ̀ gan gan?"😄😄 Apostle please help us ask them o. They don't dictate to muslim ummah or traditionalists how they should spend their money, it's the church and Christians they think they are entitled to dictate to.

[@tundefaro8288]

Sometimes i ask myself, when is it Ok to focus on the New testament and disregard the old as though it was not there or the other way round.

[@AbiodunRotimi-m5q]

New testament is in the old testament concealed while old testament is in new testament revealed. That's why it's important for every Christian to know about "hermeneutics". The hallmark of bothe the law of the moses and the prophets is to announce Christ(the symbol of grace). That's why the moment the law is been read,it should be interpreted in the light of what Christ did

[@ojeikeredaniel721]

Abi o

[@ogooluwaojo2130]

What's the title of the message?

[@Christianosshorts.]

Envoy, It is Linked At The Of This Video, Thank You For Watching ❤❤

[@TiticyWebDev]

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[@oplekwudavid2517]

I believe to an extend that the politics today in our society is outrightly playing out gradually in the Christendom because we liten to our preferred pastors and somhow, whatever they say is okay, because we believe in them and also provide as much immunity as possible that nobody should oppose or analyze what they say because we must be careful the way we say things about men of God. quickly Forgetting that it also apply to Government officials, where the Bible said we should respect those in authority. So why attack those in one sect of authority and provide immunity for the other.🥲 The pastor is right by the way✊

[@ayolovephat]

What I find amusing (if that's even the right word to describe it) is this persistent idea that people talk as if they can criticize the church or wish the church out of existence when a 2000 year history, by GOD's providence and power and sovereignty bears witness to the contrary. Both in the first century and now in the 21st century, very powerful people have tried and trying to eliminate Christianity and they couldn't, can't and wouldn't. I mean, did people read or hear the madness of persecution the Roman empire unleashed on Christians in the first century? Have they heard of persecution of Christians in China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Iran? Let's make this loud and clear: JESUS CHRIST is LORD and SAVIOUR of mankind and has and is building HIS church world wide and there's nothing critics, satan and his hordes can do about it. The church is here to stay till her BRIDEGROOM, JESUS CHRIST comes for her to take her to heaven. Until then, people better get used to the presence of the church.

[@oluwafemisanusi3122]

The Church is not the concrete walls but rather the called out or should I say body of Christ who are inundated in Christ the Word of God. Let us stop building concrete but rather build people...we can fellowship from house to house and we can learn to give to everyone according to their needs

[@Light_to_the_Nations]

​@@oluwafemisanusi3122I did not see where he mentioned concrete walls or that we shouldn't do good deeds. By the way why is concrete walls such a concern to you? Is there a church in your house? How many churches have you birthed from house to house. Talk is cheap...let's walk the walk bro and stop talking.

[@oluwafemisanusi3122]

@@ayolovephat sir, you mean to say Christians can't exit without concrete buildings! Our heart is the temple of God and I repeat no man born of a woman can cause Christians to leave their faith! That is why we must be transformed by daily renewal of our mind...you see when you pound a boiled yam it becomes pounded yam and it can no longer return to a tuber of yam. Let the word of God become flesh in you and live the word by doing the word.

[@oluwafemisanusi3122]

@@Light_to_the_Nations you see why I am concerned....how many people have been converted by where you worship not how many people attend every Sunday. Fifty Two Sunday in a year...are 52 people added to where you worship every year? Can each member boast of a single person they have converted or are they converted? Labourers are few but harvest is great...go into the world and preach the gospel

[@ayolovephat]

@@oluwafemisanusi3122 Read my comment again.

[@EmeleDaniel-yh2fh]

What is the title?

[@Christianosshorts.]

The title is Envoy on CCI Global KZbin Channel The full video is linked at the end of this video ❤️❤️. The video by the right

[@ImohHeavens]

D problems are spiritual sons n spiritual fathers...spirit sons are following d their mentors. So the purpose of offering n tithes have bin channel into building business empires when God made a strong commands to what it should be use for. This has brought desolation...emptiness n abomination

[@Micaiahofficial]

Is it by building auditoriums is the impact the church is impacting sir, I stand to say church need to change their goods

[@Christianosshorts.]

The church need more space for it's members, Members are not complaining is you that is saying something else 🤷

[@samuelpopoola1830]

Unintelligent comment. If your company has 10 staff, would you rent a space for 5? If you then grow to 5000 staff, would you rent space for 1000? Or would you rather rent space for the 5000 when the economics of it makes sense to build it instead? You're a hypocrite. If you were married with 3 kids, would you still keep your one room apartment you had as a single man? You're either hypocritical or just stack dumb. No apologies

[@faithandmotivationals]

Did you listen to the message? The message is that although the Church builds an auditorium when necessary but performs social responsibilities secretly.

[@eyoelijah9332]

Ogar, it's you that you need to change your own goals. Seems you don't understand the message

[@raydavies07]

Should they send the overflow to your factory on worship days?

[@enyinnayaibekwe3255]

Pastor Iren is only referring to the ideal church but certainly not what the Pentecostal churches world over has metamorphosed into. I was born, dedicated and still a complete church believer, but I am not afraid to say that the entire church thing is actually in a mess right now.

[@petereyo2563]

Oga shut up abeg, listen to what he is saying

[@enyinnayaibekwe3255]

@@petereyo2563 I really don't think your life is being impacted by him. Your case is just to add numbers to his congregation because from the way you converse you apparently are still in the street doing some substance that makes you high. You need to leave drugs and listen to him more so as not to remain wasted.

[@Christianosshorts.]

If someone spoke to you rudely we agree that one is wrong, Now you're criticizing him for speaking rudely and still raining more insults, Haba 🤷

[@mojetoluwaolaoluwa2058]

​@@enyinnayaibekwe3255 Mr. Man .. You should know that every thing in life is has two sides...no system is perfect ....the Pentecostal that u are bashing brings something important to the business of expanding God's frontiers....don't be so negative

[@JtishOdong]

Focus on the positive report. You might die only seeing bad things yet there are commendable good works the church is doing

[@oplekwudavid2517]

The church is a charity organisation and that is why they dont pay tax, they receive donations, and that money is not seen as personal money but public funds/donations, so the pastor is wrong on this and people do have a say, just the way people have a say about Governrmt money... Public funds are questionable please🙏 By the way una go say a pastor is never wrong, well, apologies because i fail to see a pastor as a God, he could miss one or two on this as human and make it right later... This might be one of those. Because when the Government come for this statement, na we go say na persecution. who is deceiving us? What is power when humanity is absent... When "Love your neighbor as yourself and keep God's commandments" was cited as the totality of the gospel essence.... Loving seem to be charity not power, charity comes before power. Please people should Read the Bible and Stop Defining the gospel by their Leadership preferences and Anarchy.

[@samueljosiah653]

People don't give to church as donations with the sole expectation to distribute to the poor or needy. Orphanage and other charity organisations do that. What churches receive is offering/other giving for the purpose of doing God's work. Running Church and preaching the gospel takes so much money. Just check on google for instance how much it takes to buy 30mins tv station airtime for preaching of the gospel. I know how much a pastor friend pays for church rent. On charity works, churches are doing a lot but only few are been heard. Many churches don't announce it. My church saw me through my OND and from there i got a job and continued my education and helped my younger ones.

[@samueljosiah653]

I saw in the internet how Rema the musician came to christ embassy benin to thank God and appreciate the church for opening a provision shop for the mum when they lost their father. Am sure if Rema didn't come back for testimony , many will never know of such.

[@Christianosshorts.]

This one is a veritable example. Who heard about Rena's Mom story until he told it.

[@goodnessjim-odoi3034]

The church is a non-profit or not-for-profit organisation, not necessarily a charity organisation. Not all non-profits are charity organisations. The reason the church doesn't pay tax is because it is not established for profit-making and sharing, but to fulfil its missions which do not include profit-making.

[@edwarddonatus5888]

Where is the free schools and hospital. Which one be remove the church first? Where is your human capital development una own na religious capital development... so factory is bad? The phone you use which country produce am? Even the suit and shoes fit be italian.. Oga your country need factories for production. And the church money is whose money? NA YOUR MONEY? Listen deeply to what he is saying? Them only raise money to keep planting more churches and call it mandate. So church employment is the real employment. Go and see how the members from those local churches are suffering and the pastors are under pressure to meet up to what abeg. (Mandate) place of worship turned business centre. They are all focused on numbers #religousrevolutionishere

[@thedanielagboola]

This is so ignorant You totally missed the point of what he was saying Let me spell it out for you "YES THE CHURCH ONLY CARES ABOUT NUMBERS" Because that's what Jesus sent us to do, to save as many souls as possible It's not the responsibility of any Church to build the Nation Go and hold your government accountable for that And please who told you that members are suffering? 😂 Where have you seen that?

[@dorguemmanuel7374]

Where are the free schools and hospitals. Do your findings, don't be lazy sir.

[@joshuaolutoke]

Davido turns Don Moen 😂😂.

[@jerryvictor2512]

Maybe ron kenolly

[@Christianosshorts.]

Jerry you're not serious 😅😅

[@oluwafemisanusi3122]

Let us stop building concrete but rather build people...we can fellowship from house to house and we can learn to give to everyone according to their needs

[@osadiawaowoseni3013]

From his message the church is building animals abi??

[@oluwafemisanusi3122]

@@osadiawaowoseni3013 I am saying we should build ourselves...how many temples were built by the Apostles yet most of them were fruitful(sow winning). They fellowship mostly from house to house which create a kind of relationship that is very exceptional. Remember there were no microphones and contemporary equipment in their time. Even Jesus said in Matthew 24:2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” They even sold their possessions and give to every man according to their needs. This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.(John 15:8) Let us love one another as commanded by Christ in John 13:34

[@oluwaseuna7201]

​​@@oluwafemisanusi3122You do it and let's see. Entitlement mentality is your problem

[@keithmatswimbo7083]

IF THE HOLYSPIRIT TOLD OYEDEPO BUILD THEN HE MUST BUILD. BY THE WAY God is nt limited in blessing people cause he built the ark

[@oluwafemisanusi3122]

@@keithmatswimbo7083 Behold I stand at the door knocking if any man will hear my voice and open...(it is the door of your heart God wants you to open so that He can soup with you). Do you think God lives in a house built by humans? Study Matthew 24:1-2

[@AdetolaEmmanuell]

Your thumbnail says facotory. There's no such word

[@nwobuezeizuma6695]

So what should then happen

[@Christianosshorts.]

😳Thank you very much will make the corrections now. It was an over sight 😔 Edit: Correction Made Already❤

[@yemikingsstudios]

No such word as thumnail too Sir. But I'm sure your correction has been noted in love.

[@obienuemeka4713]

Oga what about the some fake churches.... All the same codus to you.

[@andrewguya4167]

Don moen 😂😂

[@keithmatswimbo7083]

Is Gods money finished because he built the ark

[@Christianosshorts.]

I don't know what ark you're talking about But Noah Built the ark, God gave the dimensions.

[@keithmatswimbo7083]

@@Christianosshorts. so u believe God doesn't speak anymore today?to people

[@albertdove2324]

People don’t know the contribution of Christian’s throughout history. For example, most major universities in the world being founded by Christian’s. I think Oxford/harvard was initially built to train pastors/clergy.

[@olaoluwao7151]

Sometimes pastors get blinded by the so called 'Church Business' who told him the country will not move forward without the church. I will better say that we are in this current predicament because of the church. Is Nigeria better than the Dubia? Please stop saying this...

[@adedokunadewolu1978]

You build your own factory now... Abi Tinumbu & vp are church members?

[@Christianosshorts.]

Thank you very much, Same thing I wanted to say build your own factory

[@tol7493]

"You don't tell people what to do with their money." says the guy who tells people that they must pay tithe. God does not dwell in temples built by human hands, the only need for church is a place to gather, and if I might add, the apostles spent more church time gathering as families and no mention of building temple in the new testament. Those that had lands sold to give to the poor among them. Why do we have more poor Christians but more rich pastors and churches?

[@chosencaleb18]

Lol Bring the data that shows that members are poorer than pastors

[@raydavies07]

You still missed the message

[@edwarddonatus5888]

​@raydavies07 na you miss the messag. There is no balance in what the pastor said. You made provision for offering and yet you are asking them if the money is theirs. I thought the church is a family. What happened in the book of acts can still happen today. No accountability today, anybody with power, money and influence can just say what they like. I wish you knew these guys when they started, they dont talk like this oh. They are so humble, prayerful and committed doing the work of ministry, once the church grows and expand they become revealed. Believe them at your own risk. Fight your battle, pay your price when your time comes you go and be with God. Selah

[@raydavies07]

@@edwarddonatus5888 I don't know which ones you are talking about, but this one has integrity.... Next pls

[@Christianosshorts.]

Haa Han Edward, You are now Omnipresent Abi, you know how all of them started. I don't even know what to say to people like you again. God help you ❤️😊

[@jesurunforchrist6251]

I'm sure they will always pad lock that auditorium for only sunday and conference meetings....!🤔 Me I sha know that,jesus said known of this temple will be left behind on that day...! Matthew 24:2 So why can't winners use $200M to build church and use $200M to create industries to help the kingdom of God...! Abi na worship centre them dey build for kingdoms?🤷‍♂️

[@davidpetersenyt]

The same winnners that has set up educational institutions/ industries across the world that has raised giants that have gone further in building industries. See the amazing things graduates from Winners covenant University are doing even in Nigerian that I see everyday. If that’s not enough for you, build your own church and pass along your funds in building factories rather than building lives.

[@Emma4dfuture]

"Help" the Kingdom of God . . . . Did you even watch the video? A church employs 3,000 staff! 3,000! Not 3, 30, or 3000. Where do you think they work? There are schools, health centers, bookshops, bakeries, restaurants, and more for where these people work.

[@Christianosshorts.]

Instead of listening and fully understand they'll just come and comment what people don't know based on their Biased view of life 😕😭

[@mrjohn7930]

As an Athiest and a critic of religion in general and Christianity in particular (given that I had been one for the first 40 years of my life), I can boldly say that what this Pastor Chris wannabe is saying can only be appealing and sensible to the already indoctrinated AKA belivers. We know that charity is a multi-billion dollar business globally. Its not difficult to figure out that most churches that pride themselves in caring for the needy actuality receive way more monies in donations from so-called partners and members for that purpose but often spend way lesser on the needy than they received. In fact, the needy are actuality more of an asset than they are a liability to the church. Lass lass religion is the longest running scam in human history, I so submit.

[@israelchetachi683]

Never seen a comment that was such a waste of energy, time & space... 😂

[@israelchetachi683]

If the 'prosperity' of the Church is what's bothering you, I pray you get a life, and that right early.

[@okekeanointing2211]

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[@Godsownwisdom]

Why can't you be told how to use your money?

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[@ulovibes7278]

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