Should The MCU Reboot?

The MCU started in 2008. It's been roughly 15 years since its inception... Should Disney make the hard decision to reboot everything? Listen as the crew on this episode of Comic Book Cinema discusses (But mostly rambles) about this topic.
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[@keleynal4424]

It’s very clear that they needed to take a break and then start over after End Game. A few wrap-up movies, sure. But to try to restart a whole narrative… they rushed it with hubris. I would love a Fantastic 4 that is not beholden or connected to anything else. Followed by new X-men also not connected. And if they both do well and there’s an actual plan for it, then connect those together. But they needed to give the MCU a respectful funeral like they did Tony. Not parade the carcass around d like Bernie. They forgot Vison’s wisdom- A thing is not beautiful because it lasts.

[@comicbookcinema]

Very well said! We certainly all have our opinions. I’m of the belief that the MCU can still make it another 5 years or so. Maybe a soft reboot after Secret Wars. My biggest concern with a complete reboot is us getting a retelling of a lot of origins that we’ve already seen countless times.

[@keleynal4424]

@@comicbookcinema If Spider-Man and Batman have taught us anything, you can’t have too many original movies! 😂

[@timcollins2471]

100%

[@danjr19]

Origins can be tweaked. Different angles can be taken. Who would've thought we could have a whole new aspect to explore in Batman's origin when Batman Begins came out?

[@danjr19]

Fantastic Four would still be the perfect place to start over, and the comment is right when you restart the first films can stand alone. Iron Man worked because the only universe building was in the post-credits.

[@hermonymusofsparta]

They need a hard reboot with time in between. There's just too many superhero films and it's been this way for over a decade. "How can I miss you if you don't go away?"

[@comicbookcinema]

Absence may make the heart grow fonder, but as a die-hard comic book movie fan, I’m not sure I want them to have a complete 1-2 year break. 😱

[@hermonymusofsparta]

Sure, but it's what would be best creatively and financially. It'd be better long term. The hardcore audience will always be there.

[@comicbookcinema]

@@hermonymusofsparta No doubt. I went through the dark ages in the 90’s to the late 00’s with little to no comic book movies. I think the biggest problem is mediocrity and it’s a lot of the recent comic book movies and shows. And cramming political agendas in certainly doesn’t help either…

[@danjr19]

The time should be built in because if you're going to reboot, it needs to be done with a whole new creative team from the top down. No point in the same people retelling the stories. They wouldn't be different enough to be worthwhile.

[@danjr19]

I just looked it up so this may not be completely accurate. We're 33 movies, 8 TV series, and 2 specials into the MCU. That's WAY to much homework for a new viewer and they aren't big on making jumping on points that I can see. So all you have is the original, die hard, fans to sell to. There's a natural rate of attrition for a situation like that and all they seem capable of doing right now is accelerating it by alienating large swathes of those fans with every new project. At the same time, every new project adds to the back story barrier for new viewers.

[@comicbookcinema]

That back catalog of films and shows is definitely intimidating for a new-comer. I can’t personally imagine watching Infinity War or Endgame without seeing all the films before it. But, some say that it’s possible to do so and still enjoy the movies. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Deadpool 3 will probably be another easily accessible film for casuals.

[@ransomg9479]

It’s not “SHOULD the MCU Reboot”, it is “The MCU SHOULD BE REBOOTED (due to crappy writing)”

[@comicbookcinema]

A lot of people certainly feel that way… And there is no doubt that most of the writing as of late has been mediocre to terrible. 😐

[@danjr19]

​@comicbookcinema It's when you have a big pile of crappy writing in the tank that you have to stop trying to hand-wave, retcon, and paste together. You gotta start over.

[@comicbookcinema]

@@danjr19 The DCEU needed to be rebooted. Too many films that weren’t liked and lots of bad writing. I don’t think the MCU is there yet… But, they are teetering.

[@craigoshiogwe9566]

i think we could have 5 more years of the mcu, then a reboot should happen

[@comicbookcinema]

I think that is a lot more likely than a recent reboot. Disney has invested too much into their new characters the past few years.

[@gillesvanschaeybroeck5034]

Secret Wars is set o come out in 2028, right? It's also possible that it gets delayed. Ending the MCU as we know it with Secret Wars and then reboot after would be the best way to go, I think.

[@danjr19]

I say they're throwing good money after bad introducing untapped characters into a continuity that is already played out and barely holding together.

[@comicbookcinema]

@@gillesvanschaeybroeck5034 I agree.

[@keleynal4424]

Disagree with the take on Wanda Vision. The show did not end with her redemption. She kidnapped and tortured a whole town and then just left. The final shot we get is her being corrupted by the Darkhold and hearing her fake kids. Definitely no closure on her grief or anger. Wanda Vision was 100% required reading for MoM, but they just tried to hand wave it away. “I’m not here to talk about that.” And why wasn’t the FIRST thing Wanda did was try to find the resurrected Vision? You know, the guy she loved so much that she kidnapped and tortured a whole town to play house with? As a stand alone story MoM is enjoyable, but it was terrible at trying to continue a larger story.

[@comicbookcinema]

The Wandavision post-credit is really what established her starting to dabble with the Darkhold and searching for her make believe children. The conclusion of the actual show was really a redemptive arc for her character (even if it was dumb and didn’t make sense). It definitely would have made more sense for Wanda to search for the White Vision instead of her kids that never existed… 🤔

[@keleynal4424]

@@comicbookcinema I loved her as a villain though. With her out the way, maybe the new Mr Fantastic will last more than 5 minutes?

[@danjr19]

​@@keleynal4424I don't know, after Secret Invasion we have not one, but two Super Skrulls with all of Wanda's power in edition to every other power we've ever seen and maybe a few yet to be imagined in all of fiction.

[@keleynal4424]

@@danjr19 I pretend those didn’t happen. Looks like the MCU might also

[@comicbookcinema]

@@keleynal4424 Too soon… 😂

[@tagir9123]

Hell,yeah

[@comicbookcinema]

That is certainly how the guests I had on this episode felt… I feel like it’s coming after the next two Avenger films… I just don’t want a bunch of origin films that we have seen 1000 times all over again.

[@danjr19]

I just don't see how they poop out two more Avengers films. They're out of Avengers! You've got: Spider-man, not an Avenger, The FF, not Avengers, the X-Men, not Avengers (with possible exception of Beast), Dr. Strange, not an Avenger, at least not traditionally.

[@danjr19]

I mean they have Ant Man & Thor. Everyone LOVED their last movies. Oh, wait......

[@danjr19]

Also, there's Hulk. Everyone is still raving about the last project they saw him in. Am I remembering that right? I feel like maybe not.

[@timcollins2471]

One more for team common sense!