Should there be a marae in Brisbane?

[@mizpahmatiaha1773]

Not on aboriginal land we should know better than that! E oho Māori mā kei ahitereiria

[@hut-2-da-by]

No, we are visitors here, you need to go home and ensure you children are not disconnected

[@CatsandJP]

No true…home is where the heart is…it’s what you make of that home that matters regardless of where it is.

[@JayDee-v5b]

Isn't our true home hawaiki? I guess they'll meet us there 🤷

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

If a marae is to be built, it should be built in collaboration and with the consent of Aboriginal people. As Māori we should be respectful of other indigenous people, they are the tangata whenua of their land.

[@CatsandJP]

That could apply to any church…..community hall…park…or wherever people of different cultures meet…who did not collaborate with or get consent from indigenous people.

[@followingheartlines]

@@CatsandJP yes, that is correct. which is why we should not do the same. do you want a relationship with tangata whenua that is respectful or colonising? just because others colonise doesn't mean we should be okay to do the same.

[@MK-oc4gt]

This a 'must' for Māori! It's not our land and respect must always be accorded to the people who own it. It's in our DNA to understand all that.

[@DaParty3473]

In order to know WHO you are, you need to return to your roots. Your true roots are not in Australia.

[@t.t6191]

If you don't live on the land you succeed they'll try and take it from you. I'm not suprised Maori abandoned thier own people.

[@lyshabrown5690]

Exactly i don't understand how building a marae over there is going to help them find out who they are and where they come from. I understand that alot feel disconnected over there but there are many who feel that way here in aotearoa and are on a journey of reclainming their identity by reconnecting with whanau and returning home. Ive nver heard of any of them saying well i dont know who i am so imma just build a marae so i can connect with who i am. Lol They have to go home for that. Dont make sense to me.

[@CatsandJP]

@@lyshabrown5690It’s about gathering people of the same culture and values to meet and share experiences..it’s not always about what has been it’s about what can be…a place to meet with people..that’s why a marae is called a “cummunal meeting place”.

[@charoojames6010]

People up in arms What about other cultures who build their temples here in Australia. Do you tell them to go back to where they are from to pray and connect with their culture ?

[@bronzemen34]

Hmm were we not visitors to NZ as well.....invading another land and building our MARAES....MAORI have been in Australia for a long long time....since the dawn of navigation.....hmmmm other places in the Pacific have remnants of our maraes and Pa's.....I.E Norfolk Island...Tonga and Rapa Nui to name a couple..Samoa and the Marquese Is have historical reverence to MARAE......our history been dated and documented everywhere leaving our history their for others to discover How is it offensive or disruptive to our protocol and traditions......it looks to me our tikanga seems to be everywhere and not just in NZ........ I think it would be great to have a communal place....instead of MARAE as it will only cause rife from kaumatua and such....but yeah....something is missing she it's just a meeting hall and not something us MAORI can feel connected to especially far away from home.....not everyone chooses to go home

[@League_life]

Come home and add value! We did, it's been 2 years now 😊best move.

[@janethompson7685]

so if hes a firm believer of if you dont know who you are then why is he not coming home to his own whenua? his korero and argument doesn't make any sense..feeling disconnected doesnt mean you build a marae on someone else's whenua ,you return home to your own and learn,full your wairua connect with ur tupuna and show the next generation so they can carry it on.i lived in Aussie for many years and always made it a point to return to my turangawaewae not only for me but also my babies and my elders.

[@t.t6191]

It makes absolute sense. Come home to what? Is a person just supposed to rock up to a Marae and say I'm here 😂

[@Markyboyk]

⁠@@t.t6191what do you mean “come home to what ?” Come home to the very thing that Maori in Australia are trying to recreate on someone elses whenua is what they should come home to! Yes rock up to your Marae,whanau,maunga,awa!! We have the very thing they a looking for.

[@CatsandJP]

Consider there might be better opportunities in Australia..after all that’s why a lot of NZ people come to Australia for.

[@janethompson7685]

@@CatsandJP nothing wrong with that,but don't forget ur roots and where u come from and cry wolf when u miss ur culture.

[@esamartin1052]

​@CatsandJP and what's that got to do with the price of fish Nz is their home land Marae is here waiting for them if you don't know who uz are then come home and find out it seems to me chasing the mighty dollar and the social life style is more important than their Marae have some dignity and pride 😮

[@kellymita6572]

My opinion is No!, this is Not our land.

[@andrewattenboroughtwothumb4697]

I’m part Māori and I think it’s interesting that most want them here in Australia for ages and even one in western Sydney

[@margaretpaewai3717]

Interesting go into the outback along the dingo fence line or even the rabbit proof fenceline or into the Never Nevers where the real aboriginals still live and you may very well find another side to the coin , these places are where some of the stolen generation come from sit down and listen to them they might not agree with the city folk ...

[@doverhughes8054]

Once you build marae hear it ties you to there land and our aboriginal brothers and sisters don’t need to lose more land

[@Tye_ellison]

Māori Have had Marae all over the pacific not only in Aotearoa for thousands of years, it’s a gathering place for our Māori & Pacific nations ❤to share our cultural heritage storytelling & ceremony together with our people that live here & who are born here just like everyone else has built there churches mosques and ceremonial places,We must first consult with the First Nations people ofMeanjin turrball,Quandamooka,yugembah,yagera of this Country . Marae is a meeting place a place of peice ceremony & sharing Knowledge. We do not whakapap to this land I know this but we do whakapapa to Mōana Nui A Kiwa we belong we we lay our heads. There are many Māori Aboriginal born here including my Mokopuna which do whakapapa to country also. Nga mihi.

[@CatsandJP]

My son in law is Māori and he has never been back to NZ since he was bought here as a child…he knows a lot of the customs and traditions…..if churches or institutions of different cultures and faiths are allowed to have buildings regardless (which includes indigenous land) that they visit for various reasons..then it makes absolute sense to have a marae wherever one is need to bring people together. I am white Australian but my home town is now in a controversy over a gold mine and indigenous land rights..but regardless that town is occupied with people from all different backgrounds, cultures including various faiths. .I’m in agreement 💯…

[@justscrolling1323]

Just cause they can, doesnt mean we should.

[@janethompson7685]

@CatsandJP don't compare our whenua and culture to churches or institutions!! Thats religion, ther is a massive difference as it's not just a mārae that we are apart of its the land the mountains the water and so on,if ur son inlaw knows alot about the customs and traditions then u wouldn't be comparing us or our mārae to a church in the first place 🤦‍♀️🤣🤣🤣 our mārae are not just buildings..learn more from ur son inlaw about it then and bet ur whole opinion will change but thats even if he actually knows.

[@SoBlissedOut]

Māori are a migratory people, always have been. Māori are also the staunchest supporters of Indigenous rights and allies in rejuvenation. The tikanga question was resolved beautifully in our urban marae in Aotearoa. Our Kombumerri mob on the Gold Coast would welcome this.

[@anawawa8692]

We’ll that’s not for you to say. There’s plenty of opposition on the black falla side.

[@emzRotorua123]

I had the privilege of visiting our kapa whānau Mansion in Logan and It does have the potential to be the perfect hidden space for a fully functional Marae. Js

[@kamauwikeepa7308]

How's your whakapapa related to the whenua? Whakapapa is the root to maoritanga as is the whenua, the two must go together. What relevance does your cultural heritage enable you to disregard the endogenous people of that country. Your tipuna are from here,and nowhere else, whatever you may imagine. Get back here and take back your own whenua instead of displacing another people. Kawa cannot be changed, neither can the origins of your whakapapa, however tikanga can be modified, but for the same reasons must line up with your whakapapa to the whenua, which you do not. Traditions and protocols are related to this country not to another. It would be better that an event center for maori groups, rather than establish a marae which is far better without encroachment on another people's whenua and cultural identity.

[@ericarey64]

Ae Aunty - I've been here since 1986. IF i miss my mana in NZ, I go back .. Tanui Waikato is my iwi. We are only visitors .. thank you Aunty! Perspective!

[@domzwaimotu]

No come home. The land belongs to the Aboriginal. Māori must remember where their Tūrangawaewae sits. It’s not in Aussie taking Aboriginal land like how Pakeha have taken from us. Come home to learn.

[@beautifulkaya3693]

Kao, hoki mai ki Aotearoa

[@smokehead6014]

@@beautifulkaya3693 go home maori

[@sammyswish]

HELL NO. Talk all bout absolute selfish hypocrites. So because you can't be arsed to do make the sacrifice to come home to NZ you feel the need to take over an already truggling indigenous population?? makes NO SENSE. As if the select elders can speak for all people and esp the spirits of the land. Make it a cultural centre. The bro sounds so entitled "we've been here 200 years in aus and have whanau buried blah blah" eat your words if it's so important for you.. sacrifice to come home. Makes NO sense. Coloniser vibes tbh

[@MichaelCairns-fv2vi]

On the Gold Coast

[@keiheaherakiwi1611]

When my time comes I’ll be taken home (NZ) to my parents. I’m married to an Aussie, he will come to NZ as well.

[@ronadominictepania7318]

I believe it's good for Māori to get together but maybe not build a Marae, unless they consult with the local Indigenous people and the local Councils.

[@CatsandJP]

But it’s okay for churches and social cultural clubs to build places to meet…who HAVE NOT consulted indigenous people then.

[@lyshabrown5690]

@CatsandJP just wondering are you maori or connected in te ao maori. You cant compare our culture such as our Matauranga maori tikanga and kawa to churches and social cultural clubs. Our whakaaro and how we operate and think as a people can not be compared. Simply because From one tangata whenua to another its about respect and empathy. We know what its like to have foreigners come over to our land disregard our own beliefs and culture and impose their own. We know what its like to fight to have a voice. We know what its like to have land taken and seeing others thrive on our loss. Nothing was given to us What we have today as maori is the result of our tupunas fight and sacrifice. Why would we align ourselves into doing the same to other tangata whenua. My nana use to say when u go to other iwis territory you respect their tikanga and kawa because that is their home and you are just visiting. In our time you would never catch someone from ngapuhi building a marae on tainui land and vice versa. Even people from moana nui a kiwa who have made NZ their home for generations and generations know and respect our place as tangata whenua. A marae and a building where you can go to connect with others from your culture are two different things. A marae has mana its own tikanga and kawa, it has its own spiritual connection to the whenua that is yours and your tipuna.

[@karenherangi6125]

NO........

[@smokehead6014]

@@karenherangi6125 maori go home

[@chewmatischew6038]

I agree we shouldn't have a Marea in AUstrlia. However with Churchs and Mosque why not ?.

[@dsam3]

Is this a question. Undoubtedly yes

[@taongatepatu72]

SORRY NO MY BRO.

[@margaretpaewai3717]

No absolutely not , this is not our lands it belongs to the aboriginals who are still facing issues on their own tribal and non tribal lands ... Keep maori business in Aotaroa U want to be maori in Aussie and miss your maori life then go back to New Zealand and live your maori life on your own lands ...

[@Flemo2140]

Thats a dumb thing to say. Chinese live in Australia and are still Chinese... Samoans, Tongans, Filipinos, Croatians etc as well. Should we not be able to buy a house here and still stay connected to our culture like all our friends do here? Just because we live somewhere else doesnt mean we stop being Maori.

[@margaretpaewai3717]

@@Flemo2140 Who are we to take over somebody else's lands who are still oppressed in their own country . I am not talking about other countries i am talking about my objection to having a pa in Australia and nothing said about stop being Maori . Read what i have written not what you think i have said :O

[@Flemo2140]

@@margaretpaewai3717 you said if we want to be Maori then go back to NZ. Read your own words. Do you live in Australia? Did you seek permission to live here? Does that mean i shouldnt be allowed to live in Auckland cos Im not Ngati Whatua? We are not taking over we are asking permission to practice our own culture here in Australia. Who said its a pa? The speakers themselves said it can be a culture centre or learning centre. You need to learn to listen before jumping on your high horse.

[@margaretpaewai3717]

@@Flemo2140 ... I have been in this country for 60 years , my moko's are half caste aboriginals of this country what about you and yours do you connect to this land or are you just a Bully and a Keyboard warrior everyone is allowed an opinion without being singled out you do you and i will do me and my reply is still NO ...

[@Flemo2140]

@@margaretpaewai3717 Like you said everyone is entitled to their opinion and i'm expressing mine and calling you out for saying if we want to be Maori we have to be move home which is just ridiculous. I mean even using the terminology halfcaste to describe you're own mokopuna tells me that you really haven't learnt much at all about the people of this land

[@2PakizRock]

Yes, Australia is not your turangawaewae. If you want to learn who you are, come home and learn on your own Marie, which would give you a deeper connection, than a marae on stolen land.

[@GrantYoung-u7v]

yea n they went on the Waka abd settled in paaramata❤❤and caught a huge eel

[@TravisKruijer]

Welcome to country

[@timkruse9912]

NAH dont do it

[@newbris]

Why?

[@richardharris885]

well in Australia there are 120 religions 3000 cults 100s of hippy communes etc there's even a group called Hillsong originally from NZ they have a huge following of youth wanting a alternative to traditional religions we have religious and non religious groups so a marae in amongst all this would not look out of place

[@rosepai4680]

Kao ...we are visitors here , we are not tangata whenua to this land... Aboriginals are fighting for there lands ,as we maori are also back home...a marae here in Australia ??...how dum is this ...

[@jetblackhair92]

It starts in your home. Do maoritanga in your house first.

[@wadetewano]

Do they have Marae in Rarotonga , Aitutaki ? Tahiti ? or a Mala'e in The Kingdom of Tonga ? or Malea in Samoa ? Yes ... Did Pacific Island navigators sail to Australia before western settlers ? Yes ... We even settled on Norfolk Island , had contact with those north of Australia in the Torres Straight ... If Aboriginal people weren't wiped out , more contact would be known. A Marae would only continue our ties with local indigenous communities.

[@followingheartlines]

a marae would only retain ties with indigenous Australians if they are involved in the process. otherwise it is just colonising. those examples you listed are in situations where marae were established from and in relation to their cultural context. they are also places where they exercise mana motuhake over their whenua. maaori cannot proceed with this and say they want a marae to establish relationships with tangata whenua when tangata whenua are not in support of that kaupapa.

[@wadetewano]

@@followingheartlines establish our relationship with local Turrbal people and we can join the over 400 churches , 10 mosques and the 4 synagogues in Brisbane.

[@willturbot1044]

More Maori should be encouraged to go to Australia. They do well in Aussie.

[@Kkj1221]

No, go home

[@anawawa8692]

Um you sound like a coloniser.

[@CatsandJP]

The only colonisers are the ones who are uneducated and intolerant of others.

[@patrickhauraki8713]

A hall.

[@Kristian-leeMakata]

Would NZ feel comfortable to have a dedicated meeting space for aboriginal and TSI peoples ? Curious

[@justscrolling1323]

Doesnt matter, they do it anyway. Im against the idea of a marae in aus however.

[@richardharris885]

Australia has non reglious and religious groups there are 120 religions 3000 cults 100s of hippy communes now known as international communes 100s of clubs in Australia the German Italian club etc and a group from NZ known as Hillsong based in Australia that has a huge following of youth seeking a alternative to the traditional religions so I'm pretty sure a marae in among all this would be barely noticed and long overdue as for Australia's indigenous peoples they don't have a religion in the sense of the word but have what they call Dreamtime that their ancestral spirits progressed over the land creating life much in line with the American indigenous peoples who also have a kind of Dreamtime sense of the creation of life

[@rayclark3043]

Whakapa here..no where else.

[@antmanatthemoment7233]

"We've been here 200 years" and the Aborigines have been there 60 000 years

[@hokimoki3677]

😂😂😂 Ko tambourine toku maunga Ko boathouse tav toku marae Ko coomera toku hapū Ko gold coast toku iwi Ko tallebudgera toku awa Ko jetstar toku waka rererangi Tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa

[@SABABOOM]

Naaaahhh😂😂😂

[@Ghost-ve9tg]

Those mozzies always on some weird shit 😂😂

[@roseake3855]

NO Marae and Pa is at home. Get home

[@MaikiTakiari]

Who gonna take care of the marae. Go home if you want to learn your culture.

[@SABABOOM]

Yeah nah aye 😂

[@victormurray704]

Its not about being Maori you know you are where ever you decide to build get permission from the land owners first consult them and get their thoughts.

[@esamartin1052]

Come home you lot Marae is Nz uz are treading on indigenous aborigines of Austrlia land Lo!!! Get it right

[@TravisKruijer]

Yes take over the world 😂

[@LanceAdams-ee2gw]

There is a marae in Chicago and Japan I don't see no reason why not australia

[@davidkumeroa2997]

Did the Māori of old not travel from Hawaiki Nui to Aotearoa to better their people? And after some time they called where they landed their Tangata whenua? Now the modern Māori traveler come by Plane. We settle in every nook and cranny of this the West Island. The Land of milk and honey. Our lands were and are still Stolen back home. Our Well being and wealth stolen. So we travel to this Country for the well being of our Children. Yes. Build your Marae. Build lots. Hai ere mai to all Māori. Remember where you come from and the beliefs & strengths of of your Whanau.

[@maori_brotha]

Every culture that travels creates spaces and places to conduct their own gatherings, celebrations, birthdays, funerals, rituals. Pakehas always set up churches. Greek orthodox. Jews have temples. Muslims too. Pasifika communities do too. Polish Associations have halls. Marae are our versions of this. Stop over thinking this. Of course it's OK and normal, and every culture does it. We have every right to set up marae. And to all the come home cuzzies, you all know marae actually come from the islands right? Tahiti still have these. When's the last time you were in Tahitinui?

[@KINGSFORDLIFE]

Watch out first nation Aboriginal people Māori coming for your whenua.

[@ockiesimmonds9279]

Should there be a church in Australia? Hello! Build the marae whanau

[@michaelmarama-de4gx]

Stay off the pipe son

[@smokehead6014]

No maori go home

[@michaelmarama-de4gx]

@@smokehead6014 EXACTLY

[@Trey_Stylez-3066]

Well over 200 years. There was a maori family in Northcote, Melbourne Australia. And they even had streets named after them and they still stand in 2024 and "on". Those streets are Oamaru St, Hakatere St and Wakanui Street. They were there during the Gold rush and even the streets have old remnants of maori living there. Flax and harakeke trees. And even the area looked like maori land and they even had a cemetery. But the white english who call themselves australians with there guns forcibly killed them and chased them of the land along with the indigenous and forces them into one area to live with indigenous as they wanted an all white australia. Even though the whites call themselves natives too but they can't speak the language, don't celebrate the culture and not even the Indigenous call themselves australians. That's why you never see them sing the national anthem at any sports they play. But as for a marae it should be upto the indigenous tribe of the area. And if they say yes then so be it. I don't see anything wrong with it. They was our church before white people came with Christian pagan churches. But our marae are uses for a place of gatherings, feeding and cooking foods for the tribes and local tribes about, weddings, funerals and birthdays, culture days etc. I mean no other culture helps the indigenous more than maoris. When aussies tried to kick a whole aboriginal town so they could exploit the land for its minerals. Who stood up for indigenous. The maori. And what happened the indigenous kept their town in W.A. Same as the gas pipeline in america on native Indian land. Who came and supported the native american indians. The maoris. We aint here to build a marae to preach Christian paganism. We there to share our cultures with others. And if anyone likes and wants to be apart of it. Then I'm cool with that. But except who you are and where you are originally from and embrace culture rather than wanting to be that culture then you've found your inner peace. That's why we from this side of the world In The pacific and its land and people know where we from. And we don't call our selves anything else but what we actually are. We are not like white people and go to another country and call ourselves that when we are not. I mean get real people. Would you white Aussies live in Asia and calm yourselves asians. No the asians will call you foreigners and us dark people of the pacific austranesians. Thats what we are known as from Asia long before white people came. So I say let them build a marae. Maori would be happy If indigenous wanted to build a aboriginal cultural center in new zealand. I'm sure rotorua the home of maori culture embraces all cultures and has indigenous aborigines, native american indians and aborigines, sth american mayans, aztecans who visit new zealand nearly every year. Even aborigines are going over to nz for better education in culture wise and sports like rugby. You just don't see it. But we maoris do on our maori TV shows and NITV Australia.