Should we let Celebrities keep sabotaging their Games, Movies, and TV Shows?

[@sungrandstudios]

Is there any game, movie, TV show, or other media that was ruined for you due to a celebrity or employee throwing a tantrum on the internet?

[@conyo985]

Yes. Rachel Zegler - Snow White and Amandla Stenberg - The Acolyte.

[@arcangelus6008]

Too many to count sadly😅

[@Iceberg2677]

The mandelorian unfortunately

[@GFMarine]

There have been quite a number across all media, Avowed is the newest casualty as of a few days ago thanks to the mask off statements made by the art director Matt Hansen, I hope the game fails catastrophically.

[@Lex_Nocturna]

I would have fired them on the spot and taken whatever lawsuit they would have thrown at for termination of contract. I get the feeling the lawsuit would cost less to deal with than loss of money from the product we're trying to sell with these entitled brats names tied to it.

[@cirescythe]

I have no problem with them doing what they like with the products they make. They can sacrifice quality for any kind of ideology as much as they like. WHAT i have issues with, is that 90% of the time they do it on the backs of established IPs with exististing audiences.

[@sungrandstudios]

Yeah, I agree. They ruin existing IP by betraying the values and identity of those established IP.

[@EarthMightiest]

that's the point. they already destroyed christianity. whats left is the morality.

[@Matla12]

@@sungrandstudios I believe if they wouldnt try to do it on the backs of those established IPs, no one would care about their "work". I grew up in the 90s and seeing all my beloved heroes beckoming a sad piece of thrash really hurts.

[@cirescythe]

​@@sungrandstudiosindeed. At least by now they are so open about it that we can avoid products we most likely wont enjoy beforehand.

[@cirescythe]

​@@EarthMightiestyeah. Actually comperable. It, just like fandoms, is/was a club with set rules, values and boundaries. Dont like the club? No problem, no hard feelings. Just esstablish your own or go ito a different one. But this takeover and twist stuff has to end.

[@BingleBangleBungle]

Yes. As an old saying goes: Never interrupt your enemy while they/them are making a mistake.

[@lucaisgarden7005]

Exactly!

[@Lionstar16]

Give them enough rope to hang themself

[@arturom31]

In spanish (translating it) it would say: "if your enemy is leaving, clear the path to them". Same idea, but saying it in a different way

[@fattiger6957]

They made their bed and they can get ****ed in it.

[@Celis.C]

The irony of your statement sadly mitigates its intended humour. That whole discourse is but a smokescreen to divide the people, polarize them, distract them from the systemic problems. For respect to return, we need to park this discourse and solve the problems that cause it. By the time we can pick it back up again, we'll see that it's no longer needed, for respect should have returned.

[@Amadourrr]

At this point: - do nothing. - wins. It's that easy. Don't buy games, ignore the people insulting and blaming you. They'll start eating each other because they have no discipline.

[@HenriFaust]

"Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake."

[@darkexa3294]

"From destruction comes creation" "That the weak perish so that the strong survive" Basically let them destroy themselves, we will probably see small startups emerge that will create good games/films and those that create bad ones will end up in oblivion....

[@kingmasterlord]

indy studios will reign

[@marcogenovesi8570]

higher end indies and AA games are already gaining popularity and angling themselves to be the replacement for the AAAAA industry

[@mrjohnnyk]

Already seeing that effect in the gaming industry. Look at all the AA developers who have basically been replacing AAA.

[@obsessedwithguitars3157]

I hate seeing good projects get sidelined by the personalities involved. Thankfully, from my perspective, there haven't been any good games, movies, or shows in recent years that have had this problem. To me, if the people making the media are so disagreeable, their projects tend to be, too.

[@sungrandstudios]

Well said.

[@neotalin7238]

Yes, never stop your enemies from making mistakes.

[@sungrandstudios]

That's right.

[@LoikrLoikr]

The worst part? It only takes one loud person in a team to throw everyone under the bus. I bet there are a lot of talented and reasonable people working in Avowed, but now they are dumped in the same bag as the art director. Throwing an entire project down the drain just because of that is not good. But. If a company can't deal with a situation like that, and cut off the bad weeds before they rot the entire thing, then maybe its well deserved.

[@sungrandstudios]

Yeah, it is an awful situation. There are talented people who worked hard on Avowed but one person has turned public opinion of the game to the worst possible position.

[@blackmendosa]

I wouldn't hire people from these woke disaster studios, so they really should start disavowing (rofl) these lunatics quickly as it's hurting their future employment I'm sure. Who would realistically want to hire anyone involved in the massive flops that have been dropping recently? I know I wouldn't. Heck, even if you're the best at what you do all it would take is a few people noticing that they worked on woke crap to tank my game at this point.

[@ILikeYous]

@@blackmendosa I work in development, currently of A,I and its an unwritten rule to exclude those who are activist ironically while the biggest business currently is in large language models for reply and comments for both moderation and spamming social media. Its why new big businesses who launch entertainment products have 200 or 300 bot replies positively enforcing their marketing narrative (all positive) minutes after posting. Trying to shout out the people who detract from their goals. False engagement is big business.

[@filidhdeklend893]

none of those "talented and reasonable people" have disavowed(pun intended) Hansen's comments, or pushed for his firing because of his outright illegal actions. Silence means support of what he's done.

[@Thalatash]

@@filidhdeklend893 When you're living paycheck to paycheck, it isn't as easy as that, especially when you still have to work with those people. They may come out when they find another job, or they might just keep quiet because they have kids to feed and can't afford to move somewhere. In the hierarchy of needs those basic needs are more important than your psychological needs. At least until you go crazy working for the weirdos and the money just isn't worth it anymore.

[@gem_sixx]

Doctor Who was ruined. It started going downhill after Peter Capaldi's doctor. Then the most recent season completely ruined it. Not only did the writing turn bad like spoiled milk, but also the actor that played the doctor said, "Don't watch. Turn off the TV. Go touch grass." among other rants.

[@cleverman383]

You liked Chris Chibnall?

[@gem_sixx]

@@cleverman383 Not really. Only good thing I can say about that is that is was slightly better than the last season. They hit rock bottom on the last season.

[@joshuacalkins]

Companies are foolish to allow such casual destruction of their products, but if someone hates me, the customer, then I prefer to know it and not support them.

[@Tacitus_kilgore_1903]

I refuse to support anything that actively and openly hates me... if they don't want me, I can only assume they don't want my money either

[@spraycan81]

That Jaffe guy blaming "grifters' for Failguards downfall is just laughable

[@sungrandstudios]

Wasn't that hilarious? The delusion and disconnection from the reality is so sad though.

[@bartofii]

it's amazing really... either the people aren't enough to matter or aren't the entire audience... or somehow able to shift reception entirely to fully ignore all the good parts.... these two positions can't really exist at the same time and yet are the running narrative. It's like watching the reverse of what happened to Stellar Blade when a bunch of people decided it was harmful material threatening women in real life and a bunch of people with nothing better to do just shat all over it trying to hype some other "accepted" game like Forspoken. A good game will still get through to the masses. A few people bad mouthing it will not kill it. Acting like people who don't like LGBT themes will entirely tank a game missed how BG3 became a threat to modern gaming development by simply doing their game development in a fantastic way and releasing what felt like a complete game without needing paid DLC to finish the job.

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

Just how dense are these people anyway there is a vampire femboy vtuber guy that understand the problem better than these grown ass adult

[@HiyaCoffee]

WokeGuard, you had a typo there brother.

[@trevorpearlharbor5171]

Even worse is the fact that he only played the game for an hour before making that post.

[@georgejones5019]

I believe smart companies would start implementing social media policies and signed agreements to prevent damage to products before release and to help hold people accountable for the damages. But so far, it seems they agree with these statements these employees are making. Because no action is taken after the product under performs.

[@sungrandstudios]

Yeah, if these companies don't openly disavow employee statements, the optics are catastrophic.

[@georgejones5019]

​@sungrandstudios It's like because they're afraid of angering the other side of the room if they make a statement. It's a lose-lose situation once a statement has been made and gained notoriety. Best way is to prevent it until a certain amount of time after release. But I miss the days of creators saying they just wanted to share this vision, creation, or passion with people and they want people to become fans and enjoy it.

[@impactsuit9871]

Smart companies does not hire based on esg scores and normally do not have this kind of problem... But there's not too many smart companies left in the west...

[@hermitcard4494]

¿Smart companies? ¿The ones hijacked by the intolerant wokes they tolerated in? 😂

[@stevenharper9108]

My company, which doesn’t make media, has those policies. Most do have those policies. But somehow, tech companies constantly don’t.

[@Ajan-X]

Sweet baby inc really opened my eyes to this poison. And now i notice it everywhere in AAA gaming, and i avoid it.

[@MrSpartan993]

Hollywood too.

[@lmaololovsky]

just wait until you realize this crap is everywhere...

[@Sammy-qx5mx]

Yes, but it's certainly less effective abroad. Korea and Japan are on the incline right now. ​@@lmaololovsky

[@The-House-Cat-777]

Yeah once you know it's hard not to know. Can see it in everything even when you didn't see it before in things that you've seen for a while.

[@anom5389]

Here’s the issue Gerard: the people who do “train” (or reeducation) game devs are themselves activists. They have DEI directors whose sole job is to push this ideology. They all agree with Matt Hansen.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

you'd be surprised how little the "training" or reeducation is actually effective. Most people working at anything are 9-5ers that just need a job to feed their families and will go with whatever the company policy is even if they don't believe it.

[@anom5389]

@ totally agree. This is why when I heard Larry Fink say “at Blackrock we are FORCING behaviors” was such a ridiculous statement. It only works on vulnerable people.

[@troopical4710]

I genuinely was interested in Unknown 9 when I watched the reveal trailer. Then I learned it was co-written by Kim Belair herself. Then all of my interest died. The gameplay reveal was the rest of the nails in its coffin for me.

[@fattiger6957]

It just baffles me that Bandai-Namco published (and at least partially funded) that game. They are making cash hand-over-fist with their anime and distinctly Japanese games (like the Tales series) To blow so much money on a western AAA game is the height of idiocy. All that money could have gone to much better games in Bandai's wheelhouse. I feel like Bandai isn't satisfied with their standing as a massive company in Japan and wanted to expand more into the west. That's why they published this game and are so gung ho to get an American Gundam movie off the ground. But, hopefully that massive failure taught them an important lesson. Stay away from western devs. Stay away from the money shredder that is the western AAA sphere. Stick to what they know and what they are successful with.

[@daviderwin4705]

Gotta give Unknown 9 Awakening some props, though. They didn't piggyback and ruin an established beloved IP. They tried to jumpstart their own. They actually believed that a "modern audience" exists, and is just waiting for a new IP to explode. We like to see SBI fail, but we also say "stop ruining beloved IP". Unknown 9 took a different path and predictably failed. At least they didn't take something we love along with them to the dumpster.

[@Assailant17]

It's like the person works at an egg farm and hates eggs and egg consumers. So he smashes the 3 eggs he's responsible for and seals the carton, then you go and buy it like normal. Once you get home you open it and find 25% of the eggs are ruined and there's yolk all over the carton. Some of the eggs are perfect, some are broken on purpose, but in the end the man at the egg farm laughs and calls you a loser for falling for buying a product you normally enjoy.

[@ganzrawr5334]

Before it was a movement, pride was considered a terrible and dangerous personality aspect to possess. The biblical phrase "pride goeth before a fall" was easy to understand and was respected as a true statement about its nature regardless of religious affiliation. In my opinion, when pride became the flagship term of the LGBTQ movement most heavily around 10-15 years ago, lots of outspoken people forgot or ignored the original nature and consequences of actual pride, which are perhaps the MOST dire consequences of the complete ruination of a person's life. I agree with you that unfortunately prideful people have to be allowed to fall and fail, however the very nature of pride wouldn't allow them to listen to anyone trying to help either way.

[@venger910]

The correct Bible phrase is actually, "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." Arguably, that's much worse when it comes to these modern devs. A fall is to take someone from a high place to a low place, i.e. abject humiliation, but destruction is final: obliteration.

[@Joshua-pr9vg]

It is worth noting that corporate America has adopted this obsession with pride. I recently was in Lowes to find Craftman tools now has a slogan with pride in it... then I was at my local Savers and they have a slogan with the word pride in it. There truly is a satanic cabal that the elite follow.

[@joshuacalkins]

I agree with your “hate speech.” They chose a terrible word to rally behind. It’s been a misguided tangent away from what the cause should be.

[@death_dodger7]

It's the worst sin you can commit.

[@wispfire2545]

Well spoke. Christ is Lord.

[@Hann_sama]

On the bright side, as a consumer, we don't waste our time on bad products.

[@fattiger6957]

Consumers have more power than they think. If you don't buy their products, don't subscribe to their services and don't give them attention, then they will wither on the vine. There is always other things to spend your time and money on. Things made by people and companies who actually appreciate your business.

[@Iceberg2677]

Developers now advertise their games, on social media like Twitter, today more than ever before. One extreme dev can ruin a whole game now

[@BlueBD]

You should amend it. Its one thing is some Anon Nobody claims to be a Dev or Related to the project. it's another when you have someone Who clearly works for your company, with Their Name And Titles exposed, slandering your would-be customers. You used to be fired for that because Your are allowing yourself to be known publicly you are then taking the responsibility of being a representative for the company, The Higher you are in the company the More weight your words carry.

[@Infotainment-cb6cy]

I can usually separate art from artist. but... ...when artist is so obnoxious and so horrible it gives you PTSD, then their art will constantly trigger it..

[@Draconisrex1]

Let them? Let them? I ENCOURAGE it! It lets me know what the game/movie/product they're defending with their raging is going to suck and I can just move on! Dragon Age: Veilguard, most of Disney Star Wars, Phase IV & later MCU, the DC Universe post Snyder, etc.

[@Infotainment-cb6cy]

there's no moving on from DA:V. it's the end of the franchise

[@sanshou4927]

Fully agree, I think its an issue with taking their audience for granted. I hope pushback for "good" media makes these companies improve in the future... just dread the next 24 months as we likely have alot of products that have been years in development and might not have corrected the course in time.

[@MrSpartan993]

Movies/shows take at LEAST many months to make and the typical game dev time is a minimum of 3 YEARS. We got a lot of sewage to wait through but the important part is that we DONT give in. Easy in my opinion. There’s literal decades of both better games and movies and tv that already exist and entertainment isn’t something I need like frigging food and housing anyway. Space Marine 2 is an amazing NOT woke game that’s recent btw for example though if you “need” something new.

[@formdusktilldeath]

I just can't help but feel like a schmuck when I consume media by people who hate me. I almost can hear them saying "Look at those idiots giving us money!". Nah I'm good, it's not that I need entertainment to live or something.

[@blackmendosa]

Sadly many people think they require entertainment to live.

[@Anthonille]

If a media company, whether games, tv, or movies start talking identity politics, I instantly dismiss it. The product should win me over by merit and quality, not who they sleep with or how they identify. In my experience, when those items are forefront, the writing and/or acting is backseat. This applies to all forms of media.

[@joecrazy9896]

If these celebs and confrontational game devs don't want my money, then I'm more than happy to oblige

[@fattiger6957]

There's always other things to buy.

[@ezkerretik]

Pink Floyd….for 45 years I’ve loved them, through growing up, the birth of my kids, divorce etc. etc….. Only to have Roger Waters destroy their legacy because he can’t keep his mouth shut. Upsetting and frightening.

[@GcanJunkBox05]

I know this really old phrase, 'loose lips sink ships' I think it applies here. There was a time we only saw these 'celebrities' in the shows. Now that we see them out of the shows too, we see them for the petulant children they really are. If they want to plant their red flags everywhere they want, we shouldn't try to stop them from self-reporting.I was trying to learn Godot for a while until someone decided certain people shouldn't be using it. Now I'm learning to make music on NES software until I can find another game engine I want to start learning.

[@Tiberius233]

Helldivers 2, I know it’s an absolutely better game now, but when that PlayStation network crap happened, I had already had a PSN account, but it disgusted me so much I haven’t been able to really touch it or any other PlayStation game I have. Just knowing that these people are willing to ruin their reputation for small gains disgusts me

[@macjabeth5073]

HD2 was a travesty at launch and completely severed my connection to it after the first week, both with the game itself and its toxic community managers.

[@sarentheadept]

IT'S SO NICE TO HEAR A WELL SPOKEN MAN OF COMMON SENSE

[@Robb_in_Oz]

YES! I think they need to be reminded that we the customers decide who/what is or isn't successful, give them a taste of humble pie when they get too big for their britches. if they attack/demonize us they should fully expect a boycott.

[@arandompasserby7940]

The thing about David Jaffe is that we have to put it into context: This is the guy who made Twisted Metal and the world-renown God of War franchises. But that was then. What has he made in the past 15 years that was of any real note? What he's doing is really no different from the washed-up rockstar, long past his prime, who's desperately trying to find some relevance in a world that has long-since moved on past him.

[@ratskraad5890]

I will still respect mr jaffe no matter what, making Twisted Metal extends you far beyond any criticism and you achieve enlightenment and can do whatever you want

[@arandompasserby7940]

@@ratskraad5890 Unpopular opinion, but I think Vigilante 8 and V8: 2nd Offense were better car combat games. But regardless, just because you made great games two decades ago doesn't mean you aren't a washed-up has-been in the present tense, no different than Axl Rose. And hey, I totally get your feelings: I have a lot of respect for John Romero, but even though it would upset me to say the same of him, he hasn't really done anything in the past 20+ years except Doom WADs. And before that it was Daikatana, but we don't talk about Daikatana... so, y'know ...

[@alphamarine4784]

For me, the closest thing I can think of that ruins something for me is anything involving Homelander from the Boys. Every time I’ve seen that character, it immediately turns me off, makes crossovers in games from cool to shameless sellouts, I hate that nihilistic crap that I sometimes see, it’s not deep, it’s just stupid.

[@eFeXuy]

I think we are fortunate that this kind of people have live in an echo chamber for so long because they completely forgotten what's appropriate to say and what not. They just keep saying the quiet part out loud and self reporting.

[@Rom2814SK]

Biggest example for me is Brie Larson. I’d been a Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel fan since the 70’s. I have shelves full of action figures and statues of the character. I liked Larson in United States of Tara and Scott Pilgrim. I was excited from the first Captain Marvel movie and liked it well enough (had some elements that annoyed me). However, her off-screen comments made me dislike her so much I could no longer enjoy the character at all. Didn’t see The Marvels in the theater, stopped buying any Captain Marvel merch.

[@ThunderJunkOC]

The self sabotage allows me as a consumer to instantly know what not to buy, without even having to look up reviews. Honestly its a service I appreciate greatly. Also it's fun watching people rake step their own face, then grab a shovel, dig a big hole and find more rakes to step on.

[@jpteknoman]

The most obnoxious thing about the whole thing is how they try to guilt and shame the audience into applauding for the poor quality products they make. The sense of entitlement is off the charts

[@TastidiousYabbie]

It's really hard to separate the artist/developer from the art/game, especially when they're criminally unpleasant or obnoxious, or just straight up criminals.

[@Thomas.c4647]

I have no problem doing so. A lot of my favorite musicians are terrible people. The issue is that the art and developer/artist have become intertwined, which is not unusual to some extent. However, the product is now a direct result of self insertion and virtue signaling. The artist and its art are now one and the same; there is nothing to seperate.

[@TastidiousYabbie]

@@Thomas.c4647 Some rockstars and musicians of yesteryear were terrible people, but they were celebrated fro being counter culture. A lot of them who didn't die to party drugs have mellowed out and become normal. But I wouldn't say that those people were criminally unpleasant. Those people had real charisma and creativity. Or drugs that gave them charisma and creativity lol.

[@Darktotaled]

Something that really displeased me was Celeste. Celeste is a really good game, I really wanted to play it but I never did. The community around it is the most vile I've ever seen for a small game. All they talk about it is how the game represents trans people. It's like the game and its quality doesnt matter, its just a side bonus, its the representation that is the big thing. It just pushed me away from the game.

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

Its serious cult behavior man, its what most of this is. They don't realize they have, in essence, been roped into a cult. And the cult doesn't even have a proper leader, but there's plenty of people who can use them for whatever they want with a big of manipulation. It's sad.

[@Cameron_Levine]

I would still recommend playing it. I got it a bit ago and had a lot of frustrating fun with it, as it is brutally difficult, and didn’t even know about the character being trans. That detail only appears at the last moment of the game and was added because the dev found out they were trans while making the final content for the game, and realized the struggles of depression and anxiety also fit a trans person. I relate heavily to the themes of anxiety in the game, it’s actually one of the things that made me want to play it. I am not trans so that whole thing is not relevant to me, but I understand the people who relate to that part. The community however is pretty vile so I don’t interact with it. I think the game itself is really good though, so if you have a chance to play it, I would.

[@VinceTenia]

@@hawkticus_history_corner Yes this decentralized cult is a real interesting phenomena because anybody can become the temporary cult leader just by using the magic words the cult responds to and casting someone as the target inflicting oppression on the cults pet protective group. Among Feminists it's Men, among Celeste fanbase its transphobes. At least the Christian cults can pull each other into and out of extremism using biblically based doctrine and the reinterpretation of that doctrine, but these modern Communist cultists just cannot be reasoned with. All they are good for is manipulating with the magic words to sick on someone you hate, they're like a rabid dogs.

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

@@VinceTenia Well it's a cult without actual doctrine, at least nothing firm, so of course its easy for it to be malleable. Religious extremists have, generally, pretty firm doctrine that it's based on, not "vibes" like we can see from this modern secular religion. Every religion has their version of the 10 Commandments and its pretty clear how one breaks them. Meanwhile this Secular Cult has stuff like "don't be a phobe or racist" and they don't even define what those are. Obviously, for the people who like to use them as attack dogs, they don't *want* to define these terms, so they are kept vague. It's just fascinating that the people ensnared are ok with things being so ill defined.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Afaik it's still a "proper" game so it does not just punch you in the face with "muh transphobia". The story stays at a general level of identity crisis that everyone can understand and feel

[@freedomwriter1995]

They won't stop until everything we enjoy is ruined.

[@MrSpartan993]

If they had the power they wouldn’t stop until most of us normal people are in “camps”.

[@DougguoD]

Interestingly, this morning, read a BBC article on games recently failing. NO mention of culture wars, just a post WuFlu people doing other things phenomena according to them 🤦🏽‍♂

[@sungrandstudios]

Thanks for sharing that. Sounds like they are in denial.

[@DougguoD]

@@sungrandstudios From what I get regarding the culture war + the BBC - I expect they don't want to know 🙈🙉🙊

[@martinstrnad641]

Hello from Eastern Europe. Here's a little insight from someone that experienced the end game of similar endeavours like DEI at the end of communism. In the 80s, when everyone knew that the end is coming soon, some industrious individuals managed to game the whole communistic system and start businesses by pretending to be more of a communist than any government inspectors or officials or any members of any of the commissions that were making sure the products of companies back then fulfill the required pro-communism quotas. If they were questioned at the border because they were importing technology the border guards didn't understand such as digital printers, they claimed the are bringing it to extend the glory of communism and threw the questioning back at them in the sense of "do you, comrade, doubt that this glorious new tech can't be used to spread the word of Marx and Lenin?!" This almost always worked, it helped to spread samizdat publications and eventually positioned these industrious sly individuals for a headstart ahead of everyone else that started figuring out business only after the revolution. My advice for anyone in the west that managed to not get indoctrinated is to do the same, out-DEI these people and motivate them even more to get replaced, let them hire based on race, gender and sexual identity instead of merits, talents and skils and let them cause immense financial losses for companies that embrace this and let them leave the actually skilled devs available for the indie game Dev market as that is where the next big studios and next popular gaming brands and series will eventually arise from.

[@VerminaeSupremacy]

Hear ye hear ye, westerners! Woke is the Marxism phenomenon and it do us not work with human nature well!

[@SpaceDad42]

Lol, never happened.

[@HattaTHEZulZILLA86]

I have LONG been disillusioned by these so-called "celebrities" in the gaming world when I swore off all Sony products. I WASTED over 20+ years worth of my time and money on them only to be repaid with anti consumer measures. I felt stupid for not recognizing Steam much earlier in my life and I just HAD ENOUGH.

[@travisbishop782]

I feel the same way. But i also feel steam is just a breeding ground for shovelware.

[@HattaTHEZulZILLA86]

@@travisbishop782 This is where sensibilities are needed. What others call trash could be another's treasure. Naturally, I spend my money on MY KIND "trash". When it comes to Steam, my mistakes in purchases are mine alone. Luckily I can refund them as fast as I can recognize that I'm not getting what I paid for. Sony on the other hand...

[@travisbishop782]

@@HattaTHEZulZILLA86 hey, more power to you, but i'm just going to quit gaming all together. I honestly wish you luck though.

[@theturtlemoves1011]

Any remaster/remake that has something censored is a no go for me. When I found out Dead Rising was getting censored I bought the original for example. I have really lost interest in just about anything related to Disney as well. Deadpool and Wolverine was good and I did watch Agatha All Along because I watch everything with Aubrey Plaza, but I wouldn't recommend it. There should bea database somewhere that lets us keep track of old school developers since most left the game studios they were connected to in our memories.

[@firstlast2602]

for me, it's pmttyd remake. i stop interested in it when there are some changed dialogues to suit "play victim audiences" maybe so they can validate their agenda by a game i guess lol yeah i know there are some QoL changes and upgraded textures + more character animations, that's nice, but all of that just to justify other weird changes that's even critical to the game, the dialogues. oh and it also plays in 30fps compared to the original 60fps, i know switch2 will be compatible with switch games to be played 60fps there but i'm not gonna wait for that (not that i wait anyway). so yeah, i'd rather play my gamecube pmttyd copy on my wii, and it's in 60fps

[@Ckoz2829]

There are a lot more issues with Dead Rising Remake aside from the censorship. What absolutely killed all interest for me was the shitty AI art. They’re charging $50-$60 on this game and they can’t even be bothered to redraw some assets. It’s insulting! That’s not to mention how easy they made the game now. I kid you not, I was only halfway through my first playthrough, just started Day 3, and I was already level 40. Anybody who’s played the original knows you don’t get to level 40 until around your third palythrough. There is no challenge anymore. The psychos go down in a few hits. The already overpowered mini chainsaws are now even more overpowered and that’s without their skill books. And you get them so early in the game and they infinitely respawn. The voice acting in this game is terrible, the overall art style is ugly, everything compared to the original is just worse in every aspect and I totally regret buying it. Especially digitally because now I can’t get rid of it. Edit: (sorry, I accidentally hit post before finishing my comment).

[@AegisKHAOS]

If my attitude was that of those game developers, my circle would be real tiny at best. I do know people who, for instance, liked watching Rings of Power or legit found the gameplay of Failguard to be fun. That did not stop me from talking to them, just because they are still good people who happen to have differing tastes. I have family with very differing opinions on certain topics, but I wouldn't want to isolate them or myself over such petty things. As far as media being ruined goes, too many to count. Someone once gave the sage advice of not to spend money to someone who hates you. Since this is gaming and TV, it is that much easier to follow the advice when some person with such an attitude decided to open his mouth and let the stink out. Doesn't matter if the games or shows end up good, they're luxuries that are not worth the abuse.

[@voiceofreason4551]

Ruined by tantrums? Yes and no. The past entries in a series still get a lot of enjoyement from me, although i will be skeptical of the current and future shows that the actor/celeb/unhinged lunatic is involved in. Some series just lose my intrest over time for that very reason. I enjoy Indiana Jones up to Crystal Skull, but have no intention of watching Dial of destiny, for example. Same with Ghostbusters. Many of the writers/actors involved in more modern media are just so cringe, think they are all-knowing Saints and blame the viewers for their failures. Insulting the audience, telling them the product isn't made for them or just bad writing isn't going to draw in the crowd. While the industry moves "forward", many people just started playing older games and watching older shows/movies. Recently bought the Back to the Future trilogy and the entire Mad Max movie collection. While most of those movies are from the 70's and 80's, they are for more entertaining compared to the stuff that is made today. It is better to let a franchise die on a high note instead of dragging it from the grave or keeping it on life support.

[@CórkaMokoszy]

3:25 They create for themselves, not for us. It would be right to help them, but in my opinion it is more reasonable to lean back, make yourself something warm to drink and watch how deep they dig a hole under themselves... that they will surely fall into and never come out of. It is heartless, but we should respect their free will, set a boundary and allow them to learn from their own mistakes. We aren`t responsible for them, everyone decides for themselves. If this is the path they want to follow... we can only wish them luck and not buy their products.

[@LabelsAreMeaningless]

The way I tend to think about it is that the money I pay for my media (be it a game or video) goes towards enabling the studio involved and encouraging them to continue hiring the type of people they're hiring. If a staff member comes out and attacks their own potential customers (and worse, other staff agree with their post) then I have absolutely no desire to enable them. They simply will not get my money. Their success or failure is on them, not me. They are not owed their jobs. They either do them well or they don't. I'm also less likely to ignore their actions after they have destroyed almost every IP I grew up loving. The staff's personal politics is their own private choice. It should not drive what they do at work. If they want a job which is ideologically driven, there are career paths for that. The entertainment industry is not that place. Sales and marketing is not that place.

[@FilipRanogajec]

It's a hard question. There's nothing worse for a gamer than seeing their favorite franchise ruined by incompetent idiots who now make up most of the industry's workforce. It's just sad. I want to see the established franchises live on, but the idiotic companies who have gone woke to fail because they probably won't get better.

[@psibug565]

Watching the Critical Drinkers review of Wicked was so refreshing. It was great to see an adult saying something that he would not normally enjoy was good. He’d been critical of the actress so had gone to see the film because that is the honest thing to do as a reviewer. If you comment on someone or something you should at least experience a bit of their work before tarring it with the same brush. He did say it may not be for his normal audience if they were not fans of musicals, which is a fair point because no one likes everything. It would be nice for the mainstream media to stop calling people names because they don’t just consume the corporate slop? Edit: I’ve had the opposite effect from being pushed away from a product. I got Hogwarts Legacy after seeing the toxicity around the game and disgusting way J.K. Rowling was being treated. I read her words and found her to be giving a measured response to a very real problem that is happening in her country. I looked into the game and it sounded like something I’d be interested in and I’d just saved money avoiding “Forspoken”. It is a great game and was worth the price of the Deluxe version.

[@snorgonofborkkad]

This reminds me of the live-action Cowboy Bebop, which was a complete abomination. Watching it felt like the scene in South Park where Steven Spielberg and George Lucas grape Indiana Jones. It was as if the creators of the live-action Cowboy Bebop deliberately vandalized the IP in an effort to offend as many customers as possible.

[@wesjohnston3733]

can't think of a specific example but my feeling is that they didn't start out in a service type job (cafe or retail type) i'm so grateful that i started dishwasher then retail before going to construction the customer that is throwing a tantrum on site is understandable considering they are $800 000+ in debt, mcdonalds wouldn't put up with attacking customers,hope that is a answer your looking for, all the best

[@wtfdoihavetodohere]

For me, it depends on the issue. I live in a blue state and I can tell you that identity cultism is alive and well here. Much of my work at the moment depends on government contracts but their identity-based workforce requirements actively discriminate against me. This is something that has real consequences for my life. When I see celebrities or organizations contributing to this problem with their rhetoric then I vote the only way I can by not purchasing their products.

[@daviderwin4705]

Most of my favorite games were made by Bioware and Obsidian. I now have to keep reminding myself that it was the people who made those games that made them great, and those studios are no longer those people. Makes me a little bit sad. It also makes me wonder what other products I love are currently being made by people who hate me.

[@uuddlrlrbas9904]

The she hulk getting cut from deadpool and wolverine was fake news blown out of proportion, she was making a joke, she-hulk was hot garbage tho

[@moshguy]

Once upon a time ago, actors appearances were very tightly controlled by managers and publicists. Those people shielded us from the awful side of those actors.

[@TheModGod]

I love Sungrand Studios videos

[@sungrandstudios]

Thanks for watching and hanging out here!

[@vulgaritar48]

Seems like we're at a point in this industry where companies need to remind their employees that they are part of a team of people trying to sell a product, and while they certainly have the power to do it, they shouldn't WANT to be the hole that sinks the boat. It used to be common sense that you didn't drag your personal gripes and drama to your employers' doorstep, but thanks to social media, even grown-ass adults are deluded in this idea that they're in some Freedom March era moral "right" and can go around pissing off/alienating half their potential customer base, and that's not a problem.

[@joaquinsandoval5370]

Rachel Zagler is probably the biggest example of this. To the point where Disney itself had to intervene so that she stops antagonizing their own audience.

[@ninjahedgehog5]

It wouldn't be an issue if these employees, actors, devs etc. just had anonymous private accounts or handle to express and say whatever dumb stuff they want but they won't because said account won't gain the "number go up" that they'd get from letting everyone know "I WORK ON THAT THING YOU LIKE!"

[@rurukitty405]

Honestly, it's more entertaining to watch these people ruin their own careers and never be hired again.

[@twotail612]

David Tenet/Russel T Davis's run of Dr. Who. Hard to go back and watch those given what the two have been up to both with and outside of current Dr. Who. Then again, I always liked Matt Smith better.

[@molavk3114]

Back before social media was as prevalent as it is now, it was easier for me to separate media/art from the artist/s. In many cases it was because the product itself was still good and if there was any type of message it was relatable to the human experience. Unfortunately now that is not the case, and a lot of the messaging done that's prevalent in media today caters to experiences that are not at all encompassing and seem made for different specifics groups of people in mind. The reason it's a problem now is that if you aren't part of those groups, it's made loud and clear you aren't welcome if you don't agree or can't relate, thus pushing people away.

[@sungrandstudios]

Well said. I agree.

[@molavk3114]

@@sungrandstudios There are still incredible people out there, such as yourself, that are shining lights on issues like these and it gives me hope that it will bring worthwhile and thoughtful entertainment back to the forefront. I watched a previous video of yours describing a scene from your novel vs one from DA: Veilguard and the difference in quality is astounding! To me, the best writing comes from someone who understands people on a fundamental level and can craft that into sincere art. I've always wanted to write stories, but felt I lacked that understanding when I was younger. Now that I am older and having experienced the ups and downs of life, it makes me appreciate even more the craftsmanship and dedication it takes to create quality. Anyway, this is longwinded enough! Thank you for replying and I'm looking forward to seeing more of your content ^.^

[@torikazuki8701]

As I said before- There is a world of difference between 'Enjoying' something and that thing being 'Good'. The problems with 'She-Hulk' were in our face by the 1st episode. Just the fact that Bruce Banner's past was so bad that he tried (not just thought, but TRIED) to Self-Delete and here his Cousin Jen is berating him because she gets Catcalled? That's not funny, it's repulsive & it made it crystal clear what kind of Agenda the show was going to have.

[@filidhdeklend893]

I don't think we could actually stop them from self-sabotaging even if we genuinely wanted to get them help. NPD doesn't allow for them to stop.

[@MR-TYLENOLJONES]

This dudes intros always make me laugh. Man love this dude. The Voice of reason.

[@YuJay]

I don't understand how we are at a point in culture were a company will protect their employees allowing them to be racist online and having meltdowns on Twitter..

[@MrSpartan993]

Then you haven’t been paying enough attention. Keep your eyes and ears open from now on.

[@arcangelus6008]

There is a saying I go by since I've seen so much of this trash in my whole life when it comes down to these narcissists it's not better to not always talk to them it's better to let them destroy themselves because they will self implode🤔 now don't get me wrong it's good that people do call them out but you have to also be careful with that too because they'll try to twist and turn your words against you there are many words they hate hearing they hate the word no they don't like when nobody disagree with them they get scared when they have failed that's why they lash out in the first place it's literally a self-defense mechanism 🤔

[@Christian-pw5ws]

Absolutely, they are far more effective than anyone else 😂

[@Rokkedahl]

Bryan Cranstons remarks about wanting to move to canada if trump won back in 2016 kinda ruined breaking bad for me. It got much harder to separate the actor from the character after that for me. In general i dont think its good for actors to be too polarizing in public because of that.

[@karlklein2263]

The cabin vibe is really doing it for me

[@sungrandstudios]

Rock on. There's nothing like a chill cabin vibe.

[@BlackForceTrainer]

There is a new low budget dark comedy game on Steam called D.A.M. Champion. It is in the same genre as Pokemon and Digimon. The game was actually shaped by player suggestions.

[@EPS5000]

I don’t pay attention to celebrity gossip so I didn’t know she was complaining. As for She-Hulk, Marvel didn’t put enough money into the CGI, so it looks cartoonish. The best parts are her as a human. As for her acting ability, she was really good on Orphan Black. As for her on a personal level, I don’t know as I said I don’t follow celebrity gossip.

[@sungrandstudios]

The CGI was rough in most episodes. I can look past that as long as I'm having fun watching. Still, this show was more expensive than Deadpool and Wolverine. I'm glad you were able to avoid her outbursts online.

[@cleverman383]

Orphan Black was really good in its first two seasons, but then it became all about "The Future is Female" instead of being a cool science fiction show about the ethics of human cloning

[@sjent]

"Never interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying himself."

[@NoahLoydOG]

There are four groups of people to consider around this topic. There's the laymen, the "normies", who aren't interested in research or getting involved in "drama", so they either refuse to look into things going on behind the scenes, or refuse to listen to any narrative that sounds like drama surrounding a piece of media they have already made up their mind to consume. They don't have much stake in it, other than that they don't want to feel stupid for falling for drama, and they just want to have fun with whatever media it is, be it a game or a movie. These are the people who will mostly buy Assassin's Creed Shadows. There's the "grifters", as the industry calls them, better known as seekers of the truth, the Paul Reveres of media, who sound off when there's something amiss. Yes, it causes drama, and that's a good thing; drama is uncomfortable when it's just for its own sake, but drama caused by the uncovering of demented cultic pseudo-political propaganda, biased agendas against certain genders or skin colors, or hateful statements made by various representing figures behind an upcoming media release (or in the aftermath of a release), serves the purpose of bringing awareness of corruption, propaganda, or said agendas against certain portions of the potential customer base to those customers. Then, there's the "artists", these figures with deranged imaginations, artificial guilt complexes, a fixation on identity politics, no inhibitions toward labeling other people with derogatory cultural slurs and implied phobias or hatreds, and don't hesitate to air their views publicly. These individuals or groups of individuals see it as thier purpose to change everyone else to be like them, to like what they like, to think what they think, to enjoy what they create. Anyone who challenges this self-appointed priesthood will find themselves excommunicated, "cancelled", banished from the discourse and vilified in public forums. These people don't hesitate to openly declare how much they hate certain people, or to publicly explain why they hate certain groups or kinds of people. When these individuals, or groups of individuals, appear as an unrefuted public face to their company, their team, or their media project, no one in authority over them puts a stop to it, and no one around them presents a counter-message, the implication is that all those involved share and agree with those sentiments. By osmosis, whatever the one nail that sticks out is saying, we tend to think the entire board subscribes to the same, or somehow even worse (but they, at least, are afraid to cross the line even further.) Lastly, you have the average employee at a game company or in the movie industry or what have you. They grew up playing games like Halo or Skyrim, or watching Star Wars and the Avengers a decade or two or three ago, and dreamed of being a part of a project like that. They pursued the necessary qualifications, worked hard, and landed a job in the industry, maybe even at the very company they admired years ago. Now, they have to quietly comply and do what they're told to do, and they do it just to keep their hard-earned position, the thing that's paying their bills and maybe their college debts too. For them, it isn't worth questioning the will of the activists trying to change their products, all they want to do is make their contribution, get paid, and go home. For those that don't agree with the direction of the industry, we now hear almost daily about new leaks from anonymous insiders, about reshoots on Hollywood blockbusters, internal memorandums from AAA game studios, and reports on workplace culture that occasionally have unbelievable descriptions of circumstances behind the scenes. They can't do much from the inside, but if they can cause a shift of public sentiment, *maybe* it can change the course of their project for the better in ways they can't themselves. Otherwise, these are the folks who actually suffer when a game or film flops, even if they just want to make a living.

[@Sabu8000]

I think we should let them keep doing this but at the same time keep the non-insane community alive and kicking while we watch their nonsense implode.

[@PorkChopXpress4385]

Bro I've been struggling with my blood pressure lately. Kind of scary TBH. Thanks for making videos that help!

[@trevorpearlharbor5171]

If these people want to beat their beliefs into players, then they should do so witnout damaging the brand of established IPs. I also suggest these people see psychiatric help, because there's far too many people who think acting like they do on social media is how you should act on real life.

[@ifdayr]

So, it's perhaps not surprising that Gal Gadot has strong opinions on the topic of feminism. The actress - who had almost given up on her film career when she landed Hollywood's most badass female role - believes anyone who is not a feminist is by default sexist. "People always ask me, 'Are you a feminist?'" Gadot tells Rolling Stone, in a new interview out this month. "And I find the question surprising, because I think, 'Yes, of course. Every woman, every man, everyone should be a feminist. Because whoever is not a feminist is a sexist.'"

[@Infotainment-cb6cy]

That's a good mindset to have. it only means that 81% of the country will reject you according to pew polls. no big deal.

[@Darmoth85]

I will not fault you for enjoying She-Hulk, I might question your taste in entertainment. But I appreciate your growth as you learned more about the people involved. As a long time fan of Obsidian, I am hugely disappointed. The people who made the company what it was have long since gone. So at least it can't affect my enjoyment of their older titles.

[@reviewman]

Here is how i see it. I’m the customer, I’m not charge of these projects. It’s who ever are in charge of these projects not reigning in these people in from this BS they are pulling. So it’s not my problem!

[@Stefan_McFly]

I loved Tatianas performance in Orphan Black, luckily I don't know what she does or tweets in her free time as a private person. And now I am happy I don't know about it, so I can rewatch the series some time just for entertainment. Thank you for your videos.

[@Stevo.100]

Of course we let them, it's their freedom of speech, it's then up to us if we're either gonna listen to them at all, or allow their speech destroy our desire to consume the product they made.

[@ThatGuy-cb3yv]

Sun Tzu The Art of War. Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake

[@venger910]

Pssst . . . that's Napoleon Bonaparte. Sun Tzu: "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." Gamers know what they like and they will be victorious every single time. Because we won't fight them, and by fight I mean buy their milquetoast product with a side of indoctrination and propaganda.

[@NinjaRunningWild]

That's not from Art of War. Its common etymology is Napoleon Bonaparte in a book on war maxims - Have read Art of War

[@elxarproductions]

"If you sit down in front of a river and wait, you'll eventually see the corpse of your enemy passing by"

[@Ckoz2829]

Who the fuck said that quote?

[@Brad-bb7ey]

Your maturity is extremely refreshing. I enjoy your opinions

[@AnotherFancyUser]

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake - Napoleon Bonaparte

[@TheLordofChampions]

The Avowed clown has the support of his company, so I agree, fanatics should be allowed to run their mouths and make a fool of themselves as it makes it easier to know which products and companies to avoid.

[@matheusmterra]

I still have no idea if this guys humor is just high level transcendental or if he actually have those credentials. Either way I love these videos.

[@OxyShmoxy]

What the creators think wouldn't matter if they were doing their job professionally. We, as consumers, have simply learned to recognise the pattern of media figures having terrible opinions that match the poor quality of the media they create. Also, when it comes to actors, it just breaks the immersion when the actor turns out to be an obnoxious person.

[@kurticusmaximus]

Bro. I love the background. Makes me feel all cozy when I’m too cheap to turn the thermostat up in my own home.

[@sungrandstudios]

This one is probably my favorite greenscreen background.

[@martmart.]

i think we all agree on "if u don't like it, don't buy it" technically, no matter which side says it, that's how it's been and always will be. but ruining a movie/TV show/game franchise that has loyal fans.. some deranged people get out of their way to insert themselves and their personal beliefs and/or politics that has nothing to do with the source material and ruin the whole thing. why do companies think it's a good idea to hand it over to these people? as long as it gets attention? - is that it? bad PR is good PR?

[@adrianocs4]

When i signed my contract there was a line that specified that i cannot under any circustance do any kind of propaganda(good or bad) for my company whitout permission from the marketing team. I guess no one read that line.

[@smashdad6387]

Brother I completely agree about She-Hulk and the English VA for Dandadan is dangerously close to ruining that show for me, and I fucking love Dandadan. The main thing saving it for me is that it's just an English VA and not a member of the original work.

[@deadhouse3889]

Never interrupt your enemies while they're making mistakes.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

The issue with Avowed (just like with Veilguard and Concord and Dustborn before it) is that even if you ignore the social media presence of key developers we have gameplay trailers and plenty of early gameplay reviews. While the "early reviewers" are in most cases positive, the gameplay footage shows how the game art direction is uninspired, the combat is janky, there is a large amount of weird platforming to reach chests with randomized MMO-like loot, the GUI looks scifi for some reason, and the dialog options seem to be all safe and sanitized, with a few instances of illusion of choice (i.e. situations where you can only choose the tone of the same answer). So overall it still does not look "good" for an AAA studio product regardless of the developer's media presence

[@big_petebear8535]

I personally love that the public is finally starting to learn about the dangers of these people. Us geeks have been trying to warn the public since before 2017 about what was coming.

[@xxi__wing__ixx1870]

She-Hulk and Daredevil team-up is my favorite part. I also like it when She-Hulk breaks the 4th wall. I like that comedy element of She-Hulk and Deadpool.

[@TheNefastor]

My humble opinion, having dealt with people making mistakes in life-or-death situations: they say what makes people smarter than animals is the ability to learn from the mistakes of others, instead of just from our own mistakes. Someone who can't learn from the mistakes of others does not qualify as intelligent and, based on my experience, cannot be trained to avoid mistakes. As you've said, countless companies and products have sabotaged themselves in recent years. Neither they nor the employees responsible have been held accountable. Therefore the message that those were mistakes has not been clear to low-intelligence people everywhere. There is only one solution: some people need to actually fail, and grievously so, to learn their lessons. They need, through their own faults, to experience actual harm and suffering, whether it be financial, psychological or physical. Only then will they come to the realization that they have done something wrong. I can't stress this enough: *some people cannot process being told or even shown that they made a mistake.* Sometimes, letting someone fail is the best thing you can do for them. And if they don't or can't learn from their failures, then it is also the best thing you can do for the world at large. Letting them fail will open-up opportunity for those who do learn from their mistakes, or those of others. And if it sounds like I'm advocating for survival of the fittest, well, that's because it's exactly what I'm doing. Some industries perform personality tests on new hires precisely to detect early on whether or not a candidate will be dangerous to others. Aeronautics is an example. Psychological fitness is evaluated. But when it comes to video games, which are art and endanger no lives, such tests would be a terrible idea. The best artists are crazy. So we have to let nature take its course. And as for pointing and laughing at the failures, well it's a good thing : it boosts the message, makes it more obvious to the dimwitted what the majority find OK or not OK. Trust me, I've seen a lot of dummies go to a lot of low-impact seminars and workshops. They never came back changed. Not in the slightest. Usually they just talk shit on whoever they were supposed to learn from and tell everyone about how good or bad the buffet was. But... if you want to look at it from a money-making perspective, go right ahead. Just don't expect you'll change anything.

[@GeekyGami]

One thing that was very much ruined for me was Renard/LapFoxTrax/Halley Labs/Emma Essex. Upon seeing the controversy surrounding this artist basically non-consentually performing coitus upon their partner at the time while they slept, among other weirdly sleazy things, and then seeing their entire attitude after being found out, all the music lost its feeling of being genuine, and a lot of the music, such as the track "I Control" became downright disturbing to listen to in retrospect.

[@noobamonggods2556]

the only thing I could say is, if they continue to ruin games, movies, and shows. then that's pretty much fine with me because those who's in charge will eventually put their foot down and make the changes or loose everything selling it off to someone who will make those changes and making it for the viewers.