Should you buy Ooblets for the Nintendo Switch?

[@grumpygramps]

I’m 5 hours into the game atm on Switch and I’m loving every minute of it. ACNH fans will most likely love it. (Edit: 20 hours in and still going strong. Lots to do… lots of quests, farming and dancing but not forced to do anything in particular so if I just wanted to farm all day, I could do)

[@syreneblazer9152]

Although I bought the game and really adore the art style and gameplay, I can completely understand why some people were put off by the initial controversy. A lot of people are mentioning the backlash the devs got, but not really what initiated the backlash to begin with. The devs made promises to their community that used Steam and weren’t fully transparent with their exclusivity deal with Epic until after it was pretty much finalized. The devs left them in the dark for much of that process and once they expressed they were upset, the devs brushed it off and even mocked them in a really immature blog post. Of course this doesn’t justify death threats or the harassment they got online, but that’s mostly why many people are still wary of the devs. At the end of the day, if you are unbothered by the controversy and have a high interest in the game’s concept, then go for it.

[@anthonynonoya4486]

Honestly the epic exclusivity is a black mark, but not a deal breaker. Their behavior is, though.

[@Shalyn-ln9tu]

@@anthonynonoya4486 I'd call a community, toxic if I'm developing a game and they send death threats. It's the truth

[@evaander]

so the game will never come to steam?

[@Shalyn-ln9tu]

@@evaander it depends on how long their contact is for, and this game is pretty "old". It's a small chance

[@evaander]

@@Shalyn-ln9tu oh. I understand the controversy then, but going that far is ridiculous.

[@KryaDiere]

I was there when the controversy happened as I was excitedly stalking the game and it left a REALLY bad taste in my mouth. It was not because of the Epic store exclusivity like people who came late thought, but because of how the devs VERY RUDELY mocked their supporters and basically called everyone stupid because some fans were upset about the sudden change to epic. I honestly didn't care if they went exclusive, I would've just bought it there or waited for it to be ported, but the NASTINESS of the devs showed me what kind of people they were, which is a far far difference from how cute the graphics looked. I decided not to buy the game. I spoke to my 2 farming-game-loving friends after, and they were super pissed about the dev's words too. TLDR: It's not the exclusivity but how the devs responded: RUDELY.

[@crazystart8581]

You know it's really the patron messages that get me the most. There were many people paying 20 usd per month and they couldn't even get the game discounted. And it's such a shame because the game seems like a lot of fun. But there are other games games coming soon. In particular coral island and I'm sure I forget all about this game again soon.

[@anthonynonoya4486]

Didn't know that. Think I'm going to ignore the game now

[@h_a_s_iii]

Well thats a bummer

[@ataridc]

I found a 600 million word reddit post discussing this and immediately decided I didn't care. Life's too short. So I picked the game up because it looked fun and it was. My life is richer never knowing what this controversy was.

[@littleyamini]

This is a random thought but I just want to share. the more farming/simulation games come out the more and more I become in awe of how masterfully Stardew valley was made. I just can’t believe at how such a simple game could be so perfect.

[@josie_the_valkyrie]

Really love the artstyle!

[@Lu-dm7rn]

I love how they talk swinging their heads like a sassy kid 😂😂

[@pastelberru]

This is one game I was skeptical about so I’m glad you made this

[@LunecraVT]

You should make some oobcoops for the farm! As you increase their levels it increases the jobs the ooblets can do for you on the farm for the actual farming. They also have a growth speed increase for the space around them. Personally think they're the better option to sprinklers, albeit rather resource costly. I've been enjoying the game so far myself! Glad I picked it up during its first week sale on switch

[@Tiffany_aka_CeissaDesiste]

Been playing Ooblets since game preview access on Xbox One. Bought it for my Switch also bcuz I love the game and can now take it on the go! Been part of the Discord channel since the beginning and don't think I ever witnessed any of these things people are talking about. The community and Devs were always very helpful in the channel.

[@kaikass5714]

This game gives me hope for puffpalls I'm 20 hours in and probably not very far in game but I just love walking around and talking to everyone and getting enough items to dance battle! I love the idea of growing your companions.

[@keahjohnsen8165]

Thank you for mentioning the bug! I'm not on twitter and would not have known of that bug otherwise!

[@adrienneelfrink2744]

I love looking for gleamy ones.

[@SharonKofoed]

I'm a few hours in and loving every second of it!

[@introverted.unicorn6438]

I definitely bought it this morning and played it for a little bit before going to sleep. Never heard about the controversy but i will still play it cause its cute and pretty fun. Though it does seem to be a bit battery draining.

[@fqirys1ms_vu128]

The game is so good so far

[@itsasecret9106]

Honestly, I never knew about the controversy so if anyone can tell me, just reply to this comment. Regardless, I've seen this game before but thought I'd never get the chance to play it so I'm glad its now on the switch. I'm just gonna wait for a physical release (if there will be one)

[@AlexDayz]

The controversy is a bit old so I don’t recall all the details but I’ll do my best. Basically the Devs behind this team had promised it would have a release on Steam though they went back on that and made it exclusive to the Epic Game Store launcher. Normally this wouldn’t be a big issue but the devs weren’t very transparent as to why they did this, furthermore they also mocked anyone who disagreed with the decision saying they where being entitled and the like. They’d say anyone who didn’t agree with the decision wasn’t a part of community. Overall not a very good look for the devs as many supported it believing it would be on Steam. A KZbinr calles YongYea made a pretty in depth video on it or you want to know more, should be one of the first results if you search “Ooblets Drama”. As for me personally the drama has made me have mixed feelings about the game. It definitely looks cute and enjoyable but don’t really want to support the devs due to their behavior.

[@butterflyalonna44]

Yes it’s worth it. I’ve played it for 3 days straight

[@anthonynonoya4486]

That watering mechanic sounds really annoying.

[@HamiltonIsLife]

Spin googling the controversy…I think I might still buy it lol. Idc about PC I’d play in my switch anyways

[@Jexxa.]

I think it's really stupid that people care about the "controversy". The gaming community as a whole is VERY toxic overall and I'm glad they did what they wanted to do. I bought it when it first came out and I like it.

[@MothicaBlack]

What's the controversy?

[@tiffanymarie9750]

I'm obsessed

[@aniszaniszz]

Yes!!!

[@Strawberryfox26]

I won’t be supporting these devs but I will still support you and watch all your videos 😊

[@MothicaBlack]

Why?

[@SpeechGamer]

In a sea of games available and an ever-increasing backlog, I have also made a decision to not support these "baby devs". I've read up on the controversy and I do not like how they address their consumers or how they try to act like the epic backlash is some new and outlandish thing. They knew what they were doing, they are definitely showing their greed, and they are showing how little their customers mean to them. This is a pass from me.

[@chowllama]

Epic should sue the developers since their actions online defiantly hurt sales. I'm not buying it just because of that.

[@thekimfiles]

I think Epic makes enough money, idt they need to sue a small group of developers. They probably have way more controversial developers working for them I'm sure, this is probably minor compared to what a lot of people do. I doubt it hurt sales that much cause most people aren't clued in to internet drama or care even if they are.

[@MothicaBlack]

What happened?

[@thepeachyshark8595]

I'm in love with the game! Its a mix of animal crossing, stardew valley, and pokemon. It's a very relaxing game and simple farming simulator.

[@kittycat4378]

I appreciate the ease of the game. I have played a lot of cozy games, or farm/fight style Runefactory or Stardew valley, that are intended to lean into softer aspects like farming and developing relationships I always feel this nagging anxiety of having a limited amount of time to get things done. I like being able to fully explore and entire area each day, visit all the shops, harvest everything, talk to everyone and make several laps around the area vs having too much on my plate and running around and feeling like I can't accomplish anything. I already feel like that IRL with having ADHD I definitely don't enjoy that aspect in gaming. I'm glad the combat is on the simpler end, sometimes it's just nice to play things that occupy our time and interest but don't require a skillset. I'm undecided still if I will pick up the game, but I definitely appreciate the video it gave me a deeper look and sold me on a lot of elements i was unsure of.

[@emie2052]

Hi! I bought ooblets IMMEDIATELY after watching his video and I'd definitely recommend getting it! It's an absolute blast. Interestingly, I feel the opposite when it comes to these games and time, I hate long drawn out days because eventually I will get bored and run out of things to do. I love fast times because it makes every day feel useless--today I'll do some foraging, tomorrow I'll hand out gifts, the day after is dedicated to cooking, etc. That way every time I go to bed I feel fulfilled and like I accomplished something. So when Josh said that the time goes slow that put me off real bad, but I bought it anyway because I need a chill game that's not grindy eventually. As it turns out, this game is pretty much perfect for anyone on either sides of the spectrum! The days are long but that's because there are SO many things to do, I'm probably 20 hours in (too afraid to know the exact hour, I'm already ashamed of how much I've been playing this game for hours straight) and there is so. much. content. SO much flexibility. And just overall fun as hell! You should buy it, it's very cute and in my eyes might have some longevity if you're the type to just unwind and play for a couple hours. The devs said there's like 60-70 hours of gameplay if you play at your own pace, and there's definitely replayability so this game will hold me on for a long, long time I think!

[@indieh9]

Thanks for saying this! I also have trouble with games that have limited time in the day, like Stardew or Cattails. I like the system in ACNH and Yonder a lot more

[@Jennifer-lt6wg]

In spite of everything, I'm still interested in it on steam if they ever bother releasing it there. In the mean time, I'm looking forward to re:legend, Slime Rancher 2, Paleo Pines, Roots of Pacha and Sunhaven.

[@MissBubbles]

The controversy is super confusing to me. From one side it seems the community was toxic and sending death threats, from another, there's evidence the dev team wrote to gamers in a very mean way (in an article). Would love to learn what happened for real rather than just the rumours

[@JoshGamingGarden]

It is confusing! There are at least two sides to each story and many factors to consider, so I avoided going into any details or this would have been a long and overwhelming video. It just would have felt wrong for me to omit the fact that there was a controversy in the first place, hopefully people can research it if they're interested and make up their own mind.

[@Anni_ka]

Definitely agree! Especially considering there is kind of a platform war situation among some PC gamers (Epic vs Steam), I find it hard to believe certain parts of the rumours. But I also believe developers should be transparent, especially if they receive monetary support from the community. In the end though, everybody has to make their own choice, we all have different boundaries for what is acceptable.

[@anthonynonoya4486]

@@Anni_ka it's more like Epic vs everyone else, with their exclusivity bs. I was already disinclined towards yet another client on top of steam, galaxy, origin, and uplay, but that stuff was an instant no for me. While I find the exclusivity annoying, it generally just means that I buy a game later after it hits steam and goes on sale. What I have heard about the devs of this game behavior however, puts them on the same list as the Metro devs: don't buy. Ever.

[@KryaDiere]

Yes the death threats and stuff did happen, but the timeline was like this: Patreons/backers excitedly wait for game to be out on steam to get steam keys > Devs RANDOMLY announces game will be an Epic exclusive without asking ppl or polling > Supporters got upset asked if there will be steam keys for backers > Devs calls supporters stupid incels for complaining about exclusivity, say that Epic gave them $10k because they need to eat and supporters just 'don't get it', reply rudely on discord to ppl who ask about steam, wrote a rude blog post about it > Supporters get angry, a lot of ppl now hate the devs, I also gave up on it > Devs start deleting and banning ppl from discord if you so much as mention steam > Angry ppl start sending death threats and toxic shit I do not condone what the trolls did but I can tell you it's definitely because of the devs. It's a serious lack of professionalism. They should've handled it better instead of name-calling their own supporters. You see such cute graphics you assume the devs are some really nice people. It was jarring to me lol. I just left after that.

[@MissBubbles]

@@KryaDiere do you have any links or photos for what the devs said? I'd love to look into this and see what really happened. But I don't want to keep going off of "he said/she said". Any article, link, let me know. Thank you!

[@LexxiKitty]

It's a tough one cause I heard how rude the dev was. But then again, what does it matter I guess they're people too /shrug I'll probably buy it when it's cheap seeing as Coral Island is out soon, which looks alot more my thing. Thanks for the video :)

[@DarkPromise]

As far as I know all there was on controversy was fake screenshots and an angry mob that send them thousands of angry messages and threats, because they took epic's offer. I've been playing Ooblets since the beta and am enjoying it. Maybe actually talking a bit more in depth would have been helpful, especially because it's a small studio, in the beginning they were only two people.

[@crazystart8581]

It wasn't all lies. I was infatuated with this game when it was announced ON STEAM but after seeing how the really feel about about the people who did support them it on patron makes me sick to my stomach to see being brought to the public again. It should have stayed on EGS since they loved their money so much.

[@danir4077]

Since you've played it a decent amount, do you know how much the card battle system affects the game? I really don't like card games so if it is a large part of this I'd like to know it before buying.

[@snewdraws112]

@@danir4077 It's more like a mini-game. Battles don't last very long and are simplistic enough for children to understand. You'll spend much more time doing life-sim tasks similar to Animal Crossing and Stardew.

[@thatanonwholurksmoar7386]

Don't know anything about controversies neither do I care. If the game is fun and good, I'll think on getting it. If not, I'll skip it. I'm pretty simple on that front. The game does seem comfy too

[@redriot9255]

Later into the game you can build “oobcoops” and place them down on your farm. You can put ooblets into them to have care for your crops and the more you upgrade the oob coops, the more ooblets you can fit into said coop and the more your ooblets will care for your crops. On the highest level, you can even have your crops protected from snow as the coops are now a built in heater

[@Tambrose0405]

when it comes to video games unless they're big corporate names like Nintendo, idc about the controversy. I base video game devs off the quality of games they create. idc about their attitude although a good attitude like the maker of stardew valley definitely helps.

[@emie2052]

For me personally, when I heard controversy I got scared. If the devs were bigoted and were saying sexist, racist, homophobic, etc. stuff I definitely would not support them. But a couple of people being rude? Don't care. As long as the game is good I don't care what personality the devs have.

[@Tambrose0405]

@@emie2052 I understand for sure, everyone is different. I wouldn't morally support or agree with any person that says things like that I just try to separate the issues. I try not to equate someone's opinions with their ability to perform their job. The only characteristics I tend to care about is their work ethic and attitude towards their work. Obviously as a business woman i can't have someone actively on the job spewing hateful rhetoric but I do think people can approach their own business how see fit. Every choice has a consequence and as long as they're prepared for that, by all means do them I guess lol.

[@annienunyabiz6627]

I've been waiting over a year since I saw a streamer I follow play it. Preordered it on Switch, and don't regret it. It's so much better if you lean into the goofy, silliness of it all, and a really chill game even amongst chill games.

[@Shalyn-ln9tu]

While we should bring up old controversy, to make the audience aware, I think it's been resolved. I was around when it first started, and it's been settled. They worded things quite terrible, audience did some backlash, devs defended themselves worded terribly. Long story short, the toxic part of the community took it too far by spreading lies. The whole thing resolved quickly when it started. I think it would be okay to support them because typed words can be misinterpreted.

[@aqualiley]

Thank you!! I feel like everyone just talks about how horrible they were THEN and just don't bring up how everything ended or if it was even resolved. It's like people who are still hung up on it only want others to know how badly the devs reacted rather than if they apologized or not...

[@gabrieldartemius9940]

I honestly don't know why the "controversy" would make anyone rethink buying this game. Death threats are never acceptable and the developers were right to say that a big segment of the gaming community is toxic, as proven by the tantrum a huge number of people threw over them giving exclusivity to Epic. If that's the "controversy" in question, I don't think it's any reason to not support this game. Apart from this though I really recommend Ooblets to anyone looking for a cozy, cute and funny game. I've spent 104 hours playing this game and I haven't regretted a single one. I've also still got a couple of updates to play through so I anticipate playing the game for a lot more hours.

[@neonkuromi]

i agree completely

[@kaedelynn]

Simply because some people draw lines. If for example dev behaved bad too while disregarding their loyal supporters using toxity or other things as excuse to not be transparant & rude while treating their upset supporters like a joke for their own screw up as they've broken promises, yet were sponsored/got money via patreon this will make people question whether this is a cashgrab, why they even needed their money etc. considering their behaviour was disappointing it could excalate if not handled well. I think some are/were upset the devs didn't even sincerely apologise either as all it was mostly blaming toxic people as an excuse for their behavior. It's not simply due them ging back on their word & choosing Epic exclusivity. At least that's the gist I got from this. You need to understand some devs get massive support like not only monthly donations/sponsors but even promoting to friends etc. so backstabbing/disregarding & being rude to those supporters is a no go, this is what'll make people some gamers who've had similar experiences rethink. At least I would considering I backed a game before it made me feel like lucky things went semi ok I can only imagine how those people felt. No decent person condones toxic behavior, with death threats etc. Idk. why a genuine & true fan'd do that in the 1st place no matter how angry/upset it's quite immature to do. But the dev admitted he said stuff in a joking matter or so & expected people to get it I think that's also where things went wrong? Tldr: The devs gaslighted people & kept their supporters in the dark while being rude afterwards while handling the aftermath, that's what upset people. Not that they weren't victims, but it's not ok to use that as excuse for bad behaviour of themselves either.

[@KonDragon008]

For me, it's one of those "If I have to contact customer support with a problem or suggestion, will they tell me 'QQ more' since they already proved they cannot handle criticism? Will they have secret updates since they have proven they aren't transparent with their players?" Back when it first came out, the controversy steered me clear of the game because what happened was that the devs promised certain things for their backers, then without any warning took an Epic exclusive deal. When people got understandably upset and asked (at the time, most were still being polite) if they would be compensated, that's when the devs started to call folks "entitled gamers" (among other insults). This then got the fans angry, and a vocal minority responded to their toxicity with their own toxicity. Especially considering how many similar games there are to this, I'll just take my business elsewhere. I decided that during the controversy, and I still hold to that opinion.

[@user-ng1yu7io4r]

LMMFAO! Seriously? I just read the post on their site and uh that was nuts. Everyone is being this aggressive and violent towards game devs? Id like to point out people need to learn reading comprehension.

[@PlayfulDead22]

Had preordered on Switch after watching some gameplay videos, but stuck at the day job another day before I can play lol Did not know of any controversy with the devs, sad to hear that of course.

[@qarsiseer]

I love this game! Just as a tip, watering wet soil WILL reset the wet timer! This means if you do desync like you did just water your whole crop once regardless of if its wet or dry and it’ll all be synced up!

[@sarahk.2434]

I've just started playing ooblets yesterday (was waiting for so long for this game to arrive on switch) wish you would do more videos about this game and the progress 😁 I really love the game 😍

[@mystearicanohr9521]

That game you mentioned in the beginning, Lemon Cake, is up for preorder on Nintendo eShop! It releases September 30th, 2022! It looks really cute! I think I’d personally prefer that game to Ooblets. 😅

[@pinkharmony9796]

Lemon cake is my absolute fave!!♥

[@annakl1226]

I just bought it to play on switch while I recover from Covid. I got on PC when it released and played a little but always felt like it be better for me personally on switch. So far I’m actually impressed by the look and performance. They didn’t really dial back the graphics of the game at all from the PC version and it still runs fairly well. Only in badgetown have I noticed any drops. This is honestly a really cute and fun game that I’m glad finally released into 1.0. Can’t wait to keep playing.

[@celestinelocsin]

I played this on switch and i loved it! I love the different ooblets

[@TheYashakami]

As a previously epic exclusive my answer is no.

[@Strawberryfox26]

I would love to see a stream or review of Lemoncake btw! It’s coming out on the switch soon too and I’m wondering if it’s worth getting 😁

[@lunaticmoon2941]

Loved the game until I kept running into glitch after glitch. First one I got stuck in my shop and it won’t let me leave saying I have customers and I don’t. I’m stuck. Tried everything to reset but it didn’t work. I started another save file and got glitched sooner. It will not allow me to place chests in my home. When I hit the furniture tab it tells me “can’t edit the shop while it’s open”. What shop ? I don’t have one on that save and I’m in my house !! So frustrating . Im very disappointed because this game was bringing me joy .

[@amoiabrahams4520]

the devs are currently working on fixing the shop glitch, they said on ooblets discord that we should just avoid the shop quest until it’s fixed and avoiding it will not stop us from progressing in the game

[@ApotheosizD]

do you always have a whole hoard of ooblets following you around, or can you make it so that only like one or two show at a time?

[@JoshGamingGarden]

Yes pretty much! You could have less, but when you enter a battle you'll have to choose the Ooblets that will participate and sometimes you need up to 6 to enter certain battles!

[@evelynbouchard9036]

I'm really liking the game so far

[@Icyangel10]

I was looking forward to this until I was told about the controversy & shown videos explaining it. I'll probably try a second hand copy since I think I saw an image of a physical copy

[@prup796]

This is one of those you can like the art but not like the artist situations. The dev was a bit mean about the whole epic games thing.

[@danebramage04]

If you like the graphic style of this game, you MUST try GOING UNDER by team17! Underrated roguelike on switch!

[@snoopyhappydance85]

I got the game already, didn't know about the controversy until right before your video (can't remember where, and it wasn't too detailed)... I'm not sure how to feel about that, it makes me feel uncomfortable, but... I'll play it, I bought it. Haha. I got drawn in by it looking fun initially. Your mention of lemoncake has me excited to play that one - I saw it's coming out on switch a few months back after seeing another youtuber rec it, so hopefully I can play it then!

[@grimangel2233]

I extremely appreciate you even mentioning the controversy most who have talked about the game recently haven't! It's a shame because I was looking forward to this until that.

[@theindiejurnee]

I've played this game a year ago and I really enjoyed it for what it was.

[@AskttlsX]

Thanks for acknowledging the controversy.

[@Just_jill325]

I’m liking it so far! A nice change from ACNH and POOT or Sos

[@Rizky-Gumilar]

Short answer yes Long answer yes you should

[@MirandaPurpleClouds]

How long would you say an in game day is?

[@oakhippie9893]

T tu quebecois?? 😅

[@tinahoefs1455]

That's the same outfit I chose 😂

[@GiGuMe]

The very first review mentioning the controversy. I decided not to get the game myself due to this. Thank you so much for the review and transparency. All love and support *

[@eggegg8181]

I’ll probably get the game, looks cute, don’t really care about the controversy tbh

[@meroplankton266]

developers wanting to get paid for their work and not giving up everything they own to appease their "audiance" is not controvercial opinions like this lead to developer burnout and only mean we get fewer good games to play

[@AskttlsX]

Literally not what happened.

[@meroplankton266]

@@AskttlsX that shit happens every day when Valve rips of every dev that puts a game on their platform

[@riba2219]

@@meroplankton266 I think the problem is that Dev wasn't transparent enough and lied to the fans

[@l4stday0ne4rth]

firstttttt

[@katelynsewell3928]

@baby eater Congrats! 🥳

[@nickcalnan]

People are way too sensitive these days over words. All I care about it the game... Developers? What developers? Just play the game and stop crying over nothing. I don't get how people can be so soft and easily offended. 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼 Anyways....I love your videos Josh! I always look for your opinion for all farming/sim games!! I've also recommended them to friends too. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@KonDragon008]

I remember the controversy with this game, so my (personal) short answer is: No. I will not be getting this game; ever. How the devs responded to the (expected) outrage of their fans was disgusting. I don't condone how some fans responded to the devs after that (the threats and whatnot), but I remember being absolutely horrified with how the devs treated their fans. Even if there wasn't controversy, the second a game becomes "Epic Exclusive" I take it off my wishlist. Even if it releases (usually around a year, or more) later on other platforms, I still refuse to support that level of gatekeeping. I'm still not thrilled that Nintendo releases their main-brand games like that (as Xbox and Playstation typically also release their games for PC these days), so for a game store to throw money at (typically indie) developers to get exclusive rights to distribute the game...it doesn't sit right with me.

[@KonDragon008]

@Meow No gaming platform is squeaky clean; Steam doesn't properly moderate the games on its store (you are correct about that, and it's something I hate about Steam) so we wind up with trash getting on the storefront, while Epic throws money at developers to get exclusive rights and still has problems with their shopping cart. Honestly, all someone is doing when comparing Steam and Epic are weighing two evils; same with any corporation. I'm not disagreeing, but I don't like the idea of innocent people being told they "got what they deserved", in dealing with toxic devs, just because they use Steam. The people not involved in the debacle do/did not deserve to be sneered at just because they use one evil instead of the other evil. As for the devs of Ooblets themselves...their initial reaction was to be rude to just the people who were upset that they lied to their backers. That's when the "toxic crybabies" part happened, and as a response to their attitude was when a vocal minority started to actually get toxic towards the devs. I don't condone the "fans" who threatened the devs, but I also won't support devs who respond with the equivalent of "QQ more" when people raised legitimate concerns. How people respond to negative feedback says a lot about their strength of character and who they are. Some get upset/depressed, some laugh/get amused, and some get toxic. These devs got toxic (which just perpetuated the more caustic fans to respond in turn), and I refuse to support that kind of behavior.