Should You Register a SBR?

Should you own an SBR?
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[@DOCSAFETUBE]

: “When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty --- Thomas Jefferson

[@sniksapap]

Register what? Lost all mine in a series of boating accidents.

[@kevinquick4844]

Is this series on Netflix?😂

[@JChris143]

Mine got buried in a terrible avalanche, I live in Florida 😅

[@out_of_headspace]

Cowards.

[@malikthebarbarian6815]

You went to that Trump rally too? It was so sad when we all wrecked and lost our guns. What a shameful day.

[@carminedesanto6746]

Up here in CANADA …we got screwed BIGGLY! Registration leads into one direction only …CONFISCATION OR BANNING. No one is going to run for office to do you any favors..so act accordingly.

[@toddk1377]

Well said and that sucks what your guys prime minister did to y'all with the gun bans. That's what the Dems want for us here, but we won't give without a fight, at least I'm not and many others, some will just bend over and take it.

[@carminedesanto6746]

@@toddk1377 if your going to be in a fight..fight like you’re the 3rd monkey on the ramp to the ark .

[@toddk1377]

@@carminedesanto6746 Haha, well said brother! Also, your comment was shadow banned, YT for ya....

[@carminedesanto6746]

@@toddk1377 FFS

[@strongestgamer2501]

The fact that country exists was the first screw up

[@denniscraig6022]

As long as people are paying for tax stamps the ATF can justify their existence . If their revenue dropped drastically for one year and people called their representative and promised to vote on this issue alone things would change. But we can hope for SBRS to be removed from the ATF .

[@steveh7108]

Exactly. Everyone keeps complaining about sbr's and tax stamps for suppressors and yet they keep opening their wallet and willfully handing it over to the ATF. Bunch of hypocrites.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

Nah, supressor purchases are going up and they can just request more budget, they're not a bussiness

[@denniscraig6022]

@@Nathan-jh1ho so keep doing business with them If you really believe that they don't care about money I'd like to point out that this pistol brace thing has really cut into their income as far as SBRS are considered . Someone somewhere is counting the beans . Well to do people use full auto weapons suppressors and machine guns are a big business and an investment . I don't care who you are if you do business with them they're not going anywhere.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

@@denniscraig6022 ATF is not a business, that's not how things work.

[@williamwinn948]

thats why i have not bought a sbr or Suppressor.

[@seanfoltz7645]

I think the fact that they're suddenly jumping on these pistol braces equaling SBR means that someone is considering making another run at banning pistols. Remember, the whole SBR thing was added to the NFA because they were planning on banning pistols and wanted to prevent people from sawing down long guns to use as pistols.

[@starxlord9856]

I doubt it they aren’t even talking about pistols besides magazine capacity. They want your rifles gone and that would be the best resistance against their tyranny compared to a pistol

[@seanfoltz7645]

@@starxlord9856 The whole point of the Liberator was that you could use that one shot breech loader to shoot a German soldier in the back and take his rifle - any one of my pistols are more than capable of doing the same, with the added bonus that I could shoot several SS troops in the back.

[@starxlord9856]

@@seanfoltz7645 that’s not the point and times are way different. If you think for one second you are well equipped with a pistol when your gov become tyrannical you are just lying to yourself. I never said you couldn’t use a pistol but you will fair far better with a rifle and that’s why they want to ban them and take them first. I don’t even get where you got that from what I said

[@seanfoltz7645]

@STARxLORD never said a pistol was the optimal weapon, just that a pistol can be used to get optimal weapons. War is all about not letting the enemy choose the best time and place to fight so you wait till you are in or can create a situation we're your pistol can do the job which as I noted is a close range surprise attack.

[@williamthornley3207]

I don't think they will EVER remove SBR's from the NFA. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but seeing the type of socalled government we now have. All of the alphabet boys have been given a green light to do whatever they want so we're gonna suffer continued injustice.

[@walterlangkowski4723]

Imagine how pissed / broke all the machine gun owners would be of the NFA got tossed lol 😂

[@HillbillyNitroUSA]

Always been one my opinions that’s one of many reasons why the NFA will never fall. There’s a lot of collections in very high places…

[@zae.av04]

Should I build an SBR n register or bc I want a 12.5 with a stock

[@Ou81269]

No way the NFA gets tossed. Not in today’s political climate. The gun brace thing is any story. Courts could overturn that ruling like bump stocks.

[@mitchellbryars9338]

They'd still have to repeal the Hughes Amendment to make the price of machine guns come down. With the Hughes Amendment still intact machine guns would still be just as rare.

[@rustythefoxcoon5143]

I think that’s the opposite of what will happen tbh.

[@georgejoseph4164]

Silencers also need to be removed from the NFA..!

[@gifthorse3675]

They won’t be as long as people keep paying the tax stamp

[@UncleDanBand64]

I do think this "rule" will be tossed out in court. I had planned to build a lower to Form 1 but, after this ATF move, I feel as if that would take forever. I think there is a chance that NFA & GCA might get thrown out with the brace ban. Then those fools can just focus on Alcohol & Tobacco.

[@anon556]

Save yourself. Do not register. Don't become a pussy.

[@UncleDanBand64]

@@anon556 No doubt. Register what. If I built or bought a legal pistol? Maybe you did not read my comment. There "Rule" will not stand up to legal scrutiny or at least shouldn't

[@FutureWarlordOfHomestead]

The last lower I eform1'd back in May 2022 took 8 days. I am seeing approvals (on the R/NFA megathread) of around 25-45 days currently. Have also seen a few eform1 pistol-sbr pop up approved there, those were from 1/15/2023, so they are getting them done pretty quick.

[@UncleDanBand64]

@@FutureWarlordOfHomestead Maybe, I am still waiting on a can but, it is form 4 of course. It was certified in August of 22. A couple of cans before that only took 4 months total. So, according to my dealer they are getting in cans for April.

[@FutureWarlordOfHomestead]

@@UncleDanBand64 I certified a Sandman S March 31st, it paroled December 16th. You are almost there.

[@FilipinoFinesse]

Thumbnail caption: When you have smol gun but need to see into the future.

[@Dwendele]

I came here to make that same comment.

[@martino8114]

Hello big guy lol I’m new to your channel and love it this video is the best explanation of the content here that I’ve ever heard and it was put simply thank you curt! You have a talent for taking my scrambled overloaded mind and unscrambling it with simple common sense

[@ETHRON1]

Really like your channel and your mannerism it puts a smirk on my face..lol.👍

[@highdonny]

The atf will drop this before it puts the nfa in danger

[@waterboy330]

Owning at least one SBR like you said seems like a good idea if not just for insulatory or legal purposes alone.

[@SeriusChevy]

Nah non compliance is the only way. They can take their childish legal bs and shove it up their @

[@MrKingArthurhk]

I know this was a long time ago. I am educating myself on SBR’s after getting my first silencer.

[@wesfunderburgh745]

Not sure if things have changed. I built an SBR about a year ago and was denied until I sent in a pic of the lower showing all the markings

[@rlm2010az]

Great video

[@MrRhsmike189]

Here is something interesting. When you log on to E-forms, they added a drop-down section under all your NFA items that says "Revoked". Probably a little foreshadowing.

[@killersushi99]

Are you pre-revoked? How efficient! XD

[@AKHKCZplus]

Absolutely!

[@randomemail3936]

The form 1 asks for photographs of any markings on the receiver. I’m not sure of they are required but it does ask for them.

[@dam00k]

Photo upload for form 1 is a close up of the engraving on the lower, SN and manufacturer.

[@racingdc9]

When you do a form 1, they do ask for a picture of the serialized area of your weapon. Now it can be cropped and all you see is the serial number and model, the picture doesn't have to be of the whole firearm.

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

There is a space. That doesn’t mean you have to fill it out

[@racingdc9]

@@VSO_Gun_Channel Hmmm, I guess I should have read it more clearly. Thanks!!

[@DozerLVL]

I live in Oregon and do armed private security. In Oregon we don't have CCW permits- we have CHL( concealed handgun license). Meaning if it's a gun and you're concealing it it can only legally be a handgun. So if one of us were to SBR one of our AR pistol builds we would no longer be able to conceal it because that would be changing the designation of the firearm. TLDR: in Oregon one cannot legally conceal SBR's, SBS's, AOW's or machine guns and I'm sad about it.

[@patrickmcdermott4818]

In my opinion, the brace rule will be tossed out. In the short term, I can see SBR's, SBS's, AOW's, and Silencers being removed from the NFA. Machine Guns and Destructive Devices will be removed only if and when the ATF is abolished. That would be a good long-term goal.

[@mattwalters6834]

Same

[@marshmower]

My radius and ulna were severed in a skiing accident and this was screwed into the remaining bone structure. Ever seen Evil Dead?

[@alexm5656]

I highly doubt the nfa goes away. There’s always another battle being fought in order to focus on it getting repealed, like this brace issue. I do think the pistol brace war is winnable and will likely end in our favor.

[@gifthorse3675]

It would be easier to gut the NFA and GCA entirely

[@ryand8024]

Regardless im not complying but I hope you're right about us winning.

[@thmsmgnm]

I never thought CA or Illinois would start issuing CCWs but they got horse humped by the courts until they did.

[@ZMFDuv]

I clicked on this video to find out if the adjustable brace thing that's on the AR in the picture of this video is illegal. New gun owner here and im trying my best to keep up with the rules, so those "braces" that can extend ….. are those also illegal ? unless I skipped it in the video, i was really looking forward to him explaining if it is.

[@1400IntruderVS]

Well ,seeing as how the NFA has never actually been challenged to define whether or not it is Constitutionally validatable ,and the ATF seems to be pushing their authority beyond even what the NFA was purposed for... I'm going to believe the executive branch relentlessly attacking the rights of the citizenry will result in the possibility of repealing the NFA or at least a reduction in the scope of authority that has not been granted by congress for the ATF.

[@louiejones4092]

I'm all for anyone owning whatever they want. I also realize that there's pros and cons to owning a SBR. My only issue with this tax forbearance registration or the other options is now the ATF is tell god knows how many people do this with your legally purchased items or possibly go to prison if the wrong person catches you. Personally I'm going to wait this out for a bit to see what court cases gain any grounds but have been looking at 13.7 and 14.5 complete upper receivers that are pen and welded just in case this stick's for a while I'll at least be legal lol. When I do decide to bite the bullet and register my lower receiver as an SBR I'm going to just pay the two hundred dollars regardless. I don't want nothing that is so called free from our worthless 3 letter agencies.

[@slopsec2358]

On the Form 1 eForm, there is a section for 'close up photo of serial number and manufacturer'. Oddly though, this same section is not on the Form 1 pdf version.

[@meee175]

Anyone who does this is either stupid or naive. That being said, two things can be true at once.

[@slopsec2358]

@@meee175 Does this 'what'?

[@meee175]

@Slop Sec Sends pictures, serial numbers, and their address. It's an evidence packet, and you did all the work for them. 🤦‍♂️

[@slopsec2358]

@@meee175 Your ignorance is showing.

[@REF49]

“A photograph may be required “ appears on the eform on the website.

[@dancopp5607]

should you register a long barrel pistol? what seperates sbr from lbp?

[@Jarek13]

Is a frame identification number necessary to Form 1. Can I SBR a ghost frame gun, or a chassis without the host gun?

[@beefyoso]

humans have great endurance. they can't run as fast as a horse, but when a horse is too tired to move, a human can keep on going.

[@Libertarian_Neighbor]

Someone have rightfully pointed out that the bump stock case took 4 years to resolve. However, that was before Bruen. I am hopeful that this gets enjoined before the 120 days is up, but it will probably initially only apply to the 5th Circuit (TX, LA and MS). Other states will have to endure the new “law” in the meantime. This is particularly troubling for the states that ban SBR’s. The pro 2A lawyers who filed the first lawsuit are playing it safe and trying to use precedent in the 5th circuit (bump stocks, etc…) to establish precedent on braces. This is playing the long game in case other circuits (9th Circus) hear cases and perform their usual mental gymnastics to find that their buddies at the AFT have it right. Many think their will be differing opinions, which will ultimately lead to this being heard by the Supreme Court. I am not a lawyer I just read and watch KZbin too much.

[@mariop8576]

But SBRs and silencers have been regulated for almost 100 years.

[@bigjimmy6690]

I decided to do the "free" SBR registration on my AR pistol even though I believe the new restrictions will probably eventually be overruled. I use mine as a UTV rifle while hog hunting. I have to travel long distances around a huge ranch and the handy shortie is great for anything I happen to come across while driving my UTV. I also have to drive 400 miles each way to get to the place where I hunt so it wouldn't be wise to travel around like that with what could possibly end up being an illegal weapon according to the ATF. I did mine through Silencer Shop and the process was easy and pretty painless. It was approved in about 3 weeks and that was the end of it. The only picture required is of the markings on the lower including the serial number. I just did a close-up of the markings and no picture of anything else is needed. I guess if you never use yours or never leave the house with it the chances of any legal issues are slim to none but if you travel with it and actually use it the risk is much higher. I think the whole thing is bullshit but I also feel each person has to decide for themselves what is best for them.

[@TheCoolwhipped]

I see 1 of 2 things happening: 1) the Supreme Court rules that they can't do this and everything goes back to normal or 2) they rule that the ATF CAN do this, but then point out that because these items are in common use, then all of the SBR portion of the NFA is unconstitutional. I'm hoping for the first just because of the precedent it would set that federal agencies have the ability to change law on a whim.

[@smokingcrab2290]

Common use will never be an argument they will consider. Ar15's are common use, they want to ban them. Pistols are common use, they want to ban those. Standard capacity mags are common use, they want to ban those.

[@matthewconnor5483]

@@smokingcrab2290 3D printer and CNC machine go brrrrrr

[@TheCoolwhipped]

@Smoking Crab it's a legal precedent that the Supreme Court has used as a ruling. Just because they want to ban them doesn't mean it will hold up in court.

[@paladin556]

I want both. If the government gun grabbers want the best of both worlds, why can't we fight for it? Atf can't make law AND sbr's are common use.

[@ZeldaVStheworld]

You can put multiple calibers for multiple uppers on the form for one lower?

[@willkearns5055]

Shall not be infringed , it's all about control

[@Cyotis]

I am wondering if that cheek pistol technique will make SBRs obsolete.

[@ronball81]

An already registered AR pistol. So during amnesty can I just change my registration some how? Asking for a friend...

[@iDeagles]

There’s no way the brace thing stands and the waste of oxygen over at the FBI reject squad will try to drop this hot potato before it endangers the NFA like they always do but hopefully we goad them into a SCOTUS ruling. Daddy Clarence will set them straight. 😂

[@gifthorse3675]

I wish he was younger because I dread the day he leaves

[@malcolmpalm]

In light of the most recent supreme court decisions I think it's time to revisit this fine vid and say 'Hooray!"

[@50StichesSteel]

I ain't gonna lie. When I heard free SBR stamp I went right to the ATF website and brought up a form 1.... Luckily the site wasn't easy to use and all it did was bring up a PDF form that I couldn't type any text on so I changed my mind and didn't go through with it

[@JonathanHayes-uz3ee]

you print those. pdf. Printable document format.

[@50StichesSteel]

@Jonathan Hayes I get that, but they also make PDF's that can be typed in and printed still

[@JonathanHayes-uz3ee]

@@50StichesSteel ive seen those too. i dont see them much anymore now that i think about it.

[@fpsoftdev]

@@JonathanHayes-uz3ee pdf stands for portable document format

[@shawncoey637]

The rule will be overturned, but it won’t undo the nfa is my prediction. The atf will state the change back before they let the nfa go down. They would be only about tobacco and booze if that happened.

[@gifthorse3675]

How many years will it take though

[@mariop8576]

I think of all the items under the NFA, silencers would be the ones to come off first but I'm not holding my breath.

[@NPCHSN]

Ok, I clicked because the thumbnail made me LOL.

[@firearmsfuelfabrication]

Lol I love your sarcasm

[@danieljackson5043]

Maybe this is a stupid question since you kinda addressed this in the video but if I wanted to sbr my 223 lower for 11 inch barrel but also wanted to periodically throw on a 9 inch 300 black out could I do that if the paperwork was done correctly or would I need two lowers?

[@Astronaut_Bear]

its just the lower, the serialized part..... if its an SBR it doensn't matter what caliber you put on it or length of barrel

[@joewalker6931]

Even if it was a registered SBR 9mm…. For USPSA. I could just throw a 300 blackout upper on it?

[@MadMaxZ06]

What is the name of the podcast?

[@FutureWarlordOfHomestead]

I don't think the NFA will be repealed in my lifetime(38 currently), but, I do think the current "Brace-Pocalypse" might result in SBR's being removed from the ATF's purview. Currently have a eform1'd SBR, and have a second lower "submitted/in process." I figure the more SBR's there are, the more "common use" they will become. Never been much of a AR-pistol person, brace or not. Had one before the braces existed, meh. Also have a Dead Air Sandman S, so I'm on all their registry lists anyway.

[@Gpiforever1]

Same thing i was saying I have a cam so i might as well do the sbr .

[@FutureWarlordOfHomestead]

@@Gpiforever1 I have sbr already, and another in process. Neither were ever “pistols”, and I have a silencer. I’m already on their list when it comes time for confiscation. Hopefully that day never comes.

[@georgelstuart]

I forecast the far too late (should've been 85 years ago) complete demise and deletion of the NFA as unconstitutional.

[@definitelyduse]

Someone please tell me what that scope on the thumbnail is??? 🔥🔥🔥

[@richr7215]

So if you register your firearm with a pistol brace on it and get the free stamp can you then treat it like a full sized rifle ie put a stock on it, vertical grip, etc once you get the stamp? Sorry if that's a stupid question, I'm new to firearms.

[@teewhy2602]

Yep. It then an SBR and you do what you want. I sent form 1 for both of mine. Its free and they know what you have anyway unless you bought it from another private person and not an FFL.

[@richr7215]

@Tee Why I appreciate you taking the time to reply, yeah I think I'll do the same. Thanks again.

[@jerrymeyers2075]

@@teewhy2602 That's not true, they don't know what you have. The NICS and the 4473 are only in the hands of the FFL that sold the weapon to you. During an audit the ATF can only "check" your books, they can't make copies and they can't take pictures of files. If you bought a gun on Wednesday and had a NICS and then on Thursday, you decided to purchase another gun you would be subject to another NICS. Why do people keep saying this? It's all untrue!

[@BobSmith1980.]

Purely out of curiosity, is there a practical reason for hanging your rifles upside down or is it personal preference?

[@MathWithMozart]

I don't own any SBR's, I only own pistols.

[@SnapD24]

Eform 1s have required uploading pictures of the serial numbers and any other markings from the manufacturer.

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

So all my Eform1s that didn’t have pictures… and the ATF’s own words say that it’s not required…. Means nothing I guess because there is a space. Hmmm my life is a lie.

[@HillbillyNitroUSA]

@@VSO_Gun_Channel at least we know you are okay with registration. 😉 All the guntubers out here calling for non compliance while owning sbr’s and suppressors… or even better when they have an FFL/SOT which makes the AFT their dad…

[@fun2916]

The inclusion of SBRs in the NFA is being specifically addressed in the most recent lawsuit that was filed Feb. 8th. There is a possibility that SBRs will no longer be a thing.

[@zae.av04]

Mind to explain more?

[@erikthered9357]

IMPO, I think we are lucky if we go back to the status quo prior to the brace rule. While SCOTUS has given us Bruen and are relatively right leaning, I dont see the court wanting to take on federal gun control laws and the brace rule will be enough to placate the pro 2A crowd for now. I dont think the NFA has any worries...

[@SteezySteez2011]

I sincerely doubt that the NFA is going to fall. I think it'd be great if it did, but I don't see it happening at all. They gov't wants its $200

[@jimlippi4001]

Good Lord! The picture on the thumbnail has me laughing my ass off.

[@MSSynsyterGates]

NFA will sadly never go away because none of the politicians have any spine. I think it will take years before this is settled but the best case is that be just go back to "pistol brace good" worse case they are banned.

[@pjb2528]

Yes! NFA, burning cinder. Yeaaah!

[@stephenfannin6482]

I don't agree with any of what's going on and you should be able to have whatever barrel length you want but that being said if you normally would use a 12.5" or 11.5" pistol then migrating to a 13.7" pinned rifle is not too different in practical terms, STILL MEGA DUMB but its a nice option that exists

[@44Mag]

In Texas, an SBR is a grand idea over the pistol AR's. This is because Texas law requires you to have a handgun in a holster to carry it. For that reason, my AR-15 pistol is relegated to being used just to repel zombie hoards. An SBR does not have that requirement, is easier to use as a short barrel tool, is more versatile due to no limits of foregrip use, and are generally easier to use, which makes them a great option.

[@mattwalters6834]

I think the whole thing from the NFA as a whole to the SBR stuff should and will eventually come to an end. It’s ridiculous to pay $200 and fill out a bunch of paperwork to remove a few inches of barrel off a carbine, or just to add a stock.

[@dbel723333]

I already have two registered SBRs so doing a third one for free won’t bother me. That being said, on the current “updated” e-form 1… there IS a section to upload pics of any engravings currently on the lower. I know this to be fact because of spent the last 4 fn days trying to complete the form one to no avail.. once you get all the way through to the “verify” section it will not let you finish until you’ve completed ALL the sections correctly and that photo section is one of them. It’s aggravating as all get out so if I’m missing something here please correct me :)…..not arguing with you…just stating my experience with the updated form 1 right now…also I listened to the ATF webinar TWICE and yes they did say photos aren’t required but evidently they neglected to tell the form 1 :)

[@malikipolka1921]

I used silencer shops form1 service made everything so much easier !

[@toddk1377]

I'm hoping that either one of two things happen, SBR/SBS gets removed from the NFA; the NFA gets abolished. It may be wishful thinking 🤷.

[@ProxJayy]

Is it possible to get a short barrel for my ar I’m 18 but I feel like it would look so much better with a shorter barrel I don’t see why it’s not allowed

[@boombox05]

Maybe learn how to write a complete sentence before you get access to a lethal weapon.

[@peppersaltman1805]

True American. We see eye to eye. Stupid question is any question asked to the government. 100

[@ShooterMcgavin6]

There’s a spot for a picture that shows the engraving. So that’s not mandatory

[@anti-naturevegan]

🎉

[@jacksin3323]

should i just keep posting my SBR's on twitter...? noncompliance agenda or keep stamp collecting?

[@Swampytheroot]

Half the ARs I own were purchased with braces. A couple AKs and and FAL, too. While I think this is a load of flaming bovine manure, it seems reasonable to register at least the few I'd actually like to be able to use as legal SBRs. Still kinda torn about it. There is no logical reason I can find for this ATF action, and no rational argument for SBRs to be NFA items to begin with. But hell, maybe it's just me. Thing is, I have several brace equipped lowers still sitting new in boxes that have never been opened. That's problematic and potentially expensive. Thinking it should be more an individual may or may not, like concealed carry, rather than register a damned thing.

[@Leland300]

It should go away but don’t hold your breath. If you want it and can get it “SBR and or suppressor” do it. The pistol brace costs more than the stamp. Form 1 your pistol in less than three months. Suppressors are like babies at 9 months, cheaper in the long run but worth the wait. Take them out and use them. Let people know they are no big deal. Make them common. The more common the harder they become to keep under the NFA.

[@jeffholder8018]

My pistol looks like an SBR. It has an arm brace and a 10.5" barrel, however it is not an SBR. It was manufactured as a pistol, sold as a pistol and bought as a pistol.

[@homelanddefender]

I think by them trying to do this new rule, just gave proof that they are not that dangerous of an object that needs to be on the NFA. Having 10 to 40 million of them is quite a bit of proof that they’re not dangerous. I also don’t see an advantage for individuals that live in Ohio to have a SBR over a pistol. That is if you only have one or two.

[@n7honeybadger103]

Let me start. I know and agree this is unconstitutional bs. Please understand, I'm aware, and it hurts my soul to ask this question. If someone has a pistol and wants to convert to an sbr, is there any benefit to going with the standard form 1 and paying the tax stamp over using the amnesty form since the form explicitly tells them that you have a pistol brace or at least they can infer that you do? Also should you undersize the overall length for safety or will that open you up to more issues?

[@timothydavis2599]

Don't register anything. But if you do, buy a lot of armor piercing ammo. Could get lively.

[@BlueMarten]

- I have no real desire for an SBR considering how often I cross state lines.

[@troyamonga0005]

Yes you should register your SBR. Especially if you love your dogs.

[@floridamike75]

Can I put a 16" upper on my SBR lower and now it's not an SBR so I can travel freely across state lines? Thanks!!

[@matthewfuqua5281]

Technically no. It’s still a registered SBR and would definitely get you in trouble (if you got caught)

[@floridamike75]

@@matthewfuqua5281 damn that’s what I figured. Only tell tell is my engraving on it which a Leo might not even recognize that.

[@_Mr.Sush_]

I'm not a lawyer but I think you would be fine here. If a cop looked at your rifle that fell within "standard legal configuration." they aren't going to consider asking for your stamp. If they asked for your stamp you also don't need to present it because they aren't the ATF. Might land you with an arrest till they get an ATF agent on site (if they really wanted to play that game.) If the ATF can say a person remanufactured something by putting it to their shoulder. you damn sure can say this is not an SBR in its current physical configuration... Because it is not. Sure you registerd that lower as an SBR. But thats an option the way I see it. Not a must, you are allowed to use that lower as an SBR, you aren't required. I wouldn't bring the SBR upper along for the ride for state crossing though if you are worried about the king.

[@floridamike75]

@@_Mr.Sush_ Thank you soo much for your input! that's probly the best answer I've gotten and I've asked quite a few FFL KZbinrs!

[@jerrymeyers2075]

@@_Mr.Sush_ Finally an intelligent, well thought out answer!

[@saulgarcia3255]

I just don't understand why you need to pay for a text stamp for a SBR. What is need? If you 😕 have ever used a AK under folding stock. You know a arm brace sucks as a stock.

[@guildig1]

I am wishing for the end of the NFA completely

[@user-se9tb5ew2x]

If you don’t NFA register your SBR you risking going to prison for a long time. I live in Iowa and two guys were convicted of having SBR’s. One is going to do 5 YEARS in Federal Prison. The other is upwards of 10. If you want to risk this over doing a Form 1 and paying $200, have at it.

[@petemarkle1083]

I think it'll all go back to the norm and my biggest gripe is suppressors and Why we have to pay a fortune for them and stamp them!... I'm not a tactical guy so I don't own a sbr But I think that's all BS too....

[@cachebar1599]

Unenforceable like washington states assault weapon ban? We can't even buy buffer springs or charging handles

[@Dwendele]

Well, if you buy a lower as a "rifle" lower and buy everything else in person at an actual store, with cash, there's no need to register anything.

[@slopsec2358]

yeah, no potential problems here what so ever.

[@jerrymeyers2075]

You can turn a "Pistol" into a "Rifle", but you can't turn a "Rifle" into a "Pistol". Common knowledge rule.

[@zr2989]

No simple

[@ICanDoItMyself]

The Form 1 absolutely does want a photo. A photo of the serial number, not the whole firearm. I do not think the NFA is going anywhere. Entities like the GOA, who're supposedly on our side, would be out of a job. So why would they fight the NFA when they can make tons of money playing wack-a-mole with unconstitutional rules and laws like this?

[@squirts1]

a crappy stock is still a stock.

[@kid1027]

honestly, the way the nfa works I'm not opposed to but the sbr, sbs and aow stuff is just a loophole patch for handgun regulation that dosen't exist.

[@DavidE-tj4rc]

Lost my guns in a boating accident. 😢

[@aries0610]

💪💪💪💪💪💪

[@tylertyler6418]

Short answer is no. The long answer is also no

[@oldwolf1928]

Sold all My weapons and have reciepts to proove it.......

[@teewhy2602]

It will stick. They will use the reasoning that a "law" was not created, they just "clarified the rule". Nothing will come off of the NFA. it is like taxes, once its there, its not coming off.

[@jas8256]

The way you ask the question; YES… 100% … It is not worth the legal cost, fine, and 10 years and prison …

[@backseatbroadcasting2356]

If anyone cares, once approved, you can change barrel length all you like under 16"

[@mclovinit8639]

Do what you think is best for you! I'm not a lawyer! Just a simple electrician and Patriot til death!

[@independentRestorationServices]

FED! FED! FED! J/k, kind of, maybe…