Shoulder Hit, Not Knee (Armpit) Hit - Typical Mistakes in Baduk #4

[@SJNaka101]

Good stuff. I played about 10 years ago and got to like 12k on kgs, and I'm getting back into the game now. I remember learning about the shoulder hit (most memorably the 5th line shoulder hit alphago did to sedol), but this video gave me a much better understanding of *why* the shoulder hit is more useful than the knee hit in these situations. It also helped me to understand *why* the knights move is a much better approach in the opening than a diagonal one. Thanks for helping me get back into the game!

[@GoMagic]

That's the reasoning behind many of our videos. Not just how but why.

[@seventus]

I prefer the term armpit hit since it's on the opposite side of the shoulder.

[@GoMagic]

Yep, while the term "shoulder hit" is pretty common, the opposite one has several forms D:

[@godave8934]

came here to say that, too 😛

[@GoMagic]

We added an alternative naming in the title. Thanks!

[@plrc4593]

Very interesting for beginners. Can be very useful.

[@GoMagic]

Thanks. It’s awesome you liked the video.

[@SpiritAnimalGO]

Great video!! I am 18k player and been playing for about 2 weeks now. Question, is the "low" hit meaning closer to the side, and "high" meaning towards the center? It wasn't very clear. However, the advice is awesome and I love the examples. Thank you for the content, subscribed for more!!

[@GoMagic]

Yes, "low" hit is one line below the stone and "high" hit is one line above, you got it right! Thank you for the sub!! Even more Go lessons can be found on our site gomagic.org =)

[@SJNaka101]

Just to add a little more clarity to the subject, think of the go board as a pyramid. Around the edge, you have the first step of the pyramid, the "lowest" step. The center of the board is the peak of the pyramid. So, every line closer to the center is "higher", and every line closer to the edge is "lower".

[@romanmykhaylov5138]

I can't get the idea of double hane at 2:09. Cause black can just atari between single stones and extend to the top, taking the upper white stone. Isn't it a big loss for white?

[@GoMagic]

If Black plays atari and extends up, White will atari the single Black stone - the three black stones are suffering a lot here.

[@apventer]

Sounds like you play(ed) Age of Empires :) Great explanation!

[@GoMagic]

Haha, maybe ;D Thanks!

[@plrc4593]

Ok. So when to use low diagonal approach like in 4:29 and when to use high diagonal approach? I'm asking because I noticed you frequently show low diagonal approach in your videos. Unless I don't get something.

[@GoMagic]

The move shown at 4:33 can be used to approach both 4-4 and 4-3 corners. However, in modern Go, the high approach (on the 4th line) is typically only used to approach 4-3 corners.

[@fultinbras]

This is confusing because the 3-3 invasion is a low diagonal approach but it's one of the most common joseki

[@GoMagic]

Yep!

[@FayeDragon]

​​@@fultinbras I'm no expert but the 3-3 invasion is usually done during or after fuseki in which your opponent play the star point in one of the corner, no other stones in the vicinity. The shoulder hit invasion he show on this video already have developed framework so it is better to reduce their territory as much as possible instead of the more radical invasion (low diagonal) as it exposes your stone to weakness.

[@JamesThompson-zu3bq]

The 3-3 invasion is a more modern joseki that was really popularized by alphago. It's harder for human players to play successfully so I think it's fair not to bring it up because this video is geared towards more beginner players

[@dpend]

I'd imagine this is an exception because you can use the corner to defend?

[@Schockmetamorphose]

What game is this

[@GoMagic]

This is the game of Go. And there's a detailed guide how to get started here gomagic.org/beginners-guide/