Showdown! Best PCC?? MPX vs CZ Scorpion vs Colt-Pattern 9mm vs MP5

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[@StretzTacticalinc]

I have an second gen SBR MPX. That said, I took the MPX operator course at the Sig Academy a few years ago and a cop brought 4 MPX-K models to the class. Not one of them worked. 1 could not hold a zero with irons or a red dot. 1, when fired, the trigger would only reset when you put the gun on safe and the other 2 kept having various malfunctions. Mine came without the firing pin spring and calling Sig did not help. I had to ask the instructors at the operator course for a firing pin spring - they hooked me up. I have maybe 3,000 rounds through mine without an issue and love mine - I can shoot 4-5" groups at 100 yards, M4 ergonomics, ambi controls. But not everyone has been as lucky with theirs.

[@menandroplan1554]

For a 60 year old gun, you gotta admit the MP5 is still up there. In terms of shooting performance alone, and in the case of the SD - sound and signature reduction, the MP5 is still the gold standard. Big testament to its design. Would love to see a modernized version of it from H&K

[@Hamzat22]

The mp5 can be fitted with rails, can be upgraded with optics. I shot an evo with red dot and a mp5 with irons back to back and accuracy of the mp5 was unmatched. So my first pcc was pof mp5.

[@nickma71]

I like it too. And this man has saved me money with things I have thought about and realized I should not.

[@MisterTengu]

As a dirty poor, i bought a cz scorpion. I still love it and enjoy all the aftermarket support for it.

[@evanacey1414]

Shit... If you were a REAL dirty poor you’d own a Kel-Tec Sub-2000. Or perhaps even worse... A Grand Power Stribog A1. As far as direct blowback 9mm PCC’s go, the CZ Scorpion is definitely one of your better options. .

[@granitejeepc3651]

I'm the dirt poor one with a Sub 2000 which is a real pcc. And also an Extar which like most "pcc types" is a big pistol and NOT a carbine. Enjoy the Extar best out of both but would pick CZ out of all of these.

[@baddgoat85]

The CZ Scorpion is just as if not more reliable than than the other higher priced PCCs. It's well built and super accurate. It's rare than anyone has issues with them. I'd still love to own an SP5 though. Just because... Well.... It's the original gangsta.

[@trainwreck2k2]

I’m a dirty poor but I just put my MPX on a credit card 😂

[@kirkfreeman6913]

In the warehouse of gun stuff that I do not understand, front and center is the love of 9MM carbines. Once I asked Frank James, who wrote Project 64, the book on the MP5 (good friend of mine and lived just north of me in White Co.), about why 9mm carbines were so beloved by the gun culture. He told me "Kirk, sometimes guns are just for fun." Lived with that answer since then. Each to his own. Loved the video, don't understand the concept.

[@andreivaldez2929]

9mm is less concussive out of a short barrel than 5.56mm, or other rifle calibers out of the same barrel length. That's basically the only thing going for it. Otherwise they're just fun to plink with, especially on the cheap (or at least before the pandemic) and there's also some nostalgia value to certain PCCs like the MP5. Or you could be like me and remember SMGs being really fun to use in video games. Gotta love the MP5 and MP7 in Call of Duty, ha.

[@DevonReclaimed]

I think the B&T APC 9 and the CMMG Banshee are glaring omissions from this lineup. With the APC 9 you get a reliable blowback SMG with a softer recoil from the hydraulic buffer and Swiss made precision. With the CMMG you get the Colt like feeling but with a more modern operating system.

[@rl1271]

Bro come on.... $2,500 for a direct blowback pcc? total bullshit, BT should have made it some kind of reliable delayed blowback system.

[@rondobrondo]

@@rl1271 yeah for real man, what a scam. Even the Banshees are really pushing it in terms of price, but I hear you can get them for well below MSRP

[@OnTargetwithBT]

My scorpion evo with 16 inch barrel is right on the money. Easy to maintain and love the magazines and how they are loaded compared to glock magazines. Right out the box with iron sights was hitting bullseye at 25 yards. I mounted a vortex 1x prism scope and it sits perfectly with iron sights for co witness. So far 500 rounds without a missfeed or jam

[@denvercyclist]

Would have liked to have seen a B&T on that table as well.

[@screamingvteccc]

Cz scorpion #1 my opinion

[@jessebarnett4205]

I wish more channels talked about/compared built firearms because they are usually 500 percent better than what you can buy off a shelf.

[@dksdg]

Agreed overall, but some of the B&T’s definitely rank up there too

[@Real_Tech_Skills]

I completely agree with the MPX being the #1 PCC, but I would have to place the CMMG Banshee at #2. It is a better overall design than the MP5, Colt and Scorpion.

[@zgennaro]

Own 2 banshees. 9mms not reliable. Will have problems anywhere from 500-4k rounds.

[@Real_Tech_Skills]

@@zgennaro : What issues are you seeing and what is the build type of each firearm? Contact CMMG about your issues. Our 2 RDB 9mm custom builds (5" & 8" barrels) have not experienced a single malfunction and we are over 1,000 rounds on each. NOTE: if an RDB build use the ARC-9 PMAG conversion inserts and the shooter uses a magwell grip with your support hand, that can cause the PMAG magazine to slightly "tilt" to the rear which will lower the front feed lip of the magazine conversion insert. That may not be an issue with the new style barrels which have feed lips (old versions did not have feed lips) machined into them.

[@zgennaro]

@@Real_Tech_Skills . I did. I don't feel like sending the gun in, going to switch bolts with them first. Failure to eject with a double feed usually, once every 30-60 rounds. Changed all springs out. Didn't work. Issue is extremely common come to find out. CMMG refuses to do a permanent fix, although some smiths have supposedly done it. Then again, there are people who claim to have no problems ever. Mine is a mk17, takes p320 mags. Scorpions go 10k rounds plus with no issue routinely.

[@miserylovesshotguns]

I'm glad you said it. I'm not a fan of the MP5 for all the reasons you mentioned but especially the controls and lack of bolt hold open.

[@calebclark6739]

The price !

[@theoneand0nly874]

The 10mm and 40 cal mp5 have a bolt hold open just get a clone ?

[@bigshoe84]

I’m not paying HK prices but I did get an MKE AP5 for a great price and love it!

[@bevans7772]

I wanted a PCC and all of these were in the running except the mp5. I went with a PSA AK-V and am glad I went that route.

[@johndilday1846]

I would love one of those, I just think it looks so cool. Plus, it’s an AK. What’s not to love?

[@irafowlerjr.7492]

I still like that mp5, guess I’m old fashioned. And like the colt and Czech. This has been really good info as always. Thanks

[@sporkstar1911]

@SmallArmsSolutions - for a sec I thought you'd put the CZ on top because it's your favorite. But I knew the Sig was the best and im glad you picked it.

[@eastcoastcracka]

While this is a fine selection, i really wish more reviewers such as yourself wiuld include the beretta cx4. It came in a full auto variant known as the mx4. Beretta 92 and px4 magazine compatibility. 9mm,40 S&W, and 45 acp options.

[@ryann5247]

Yo the storm is a goofy gun. It's definitely not duty ready

[@eastcoastcracka]

@@ryann5247 so is that why the italians use it? Id guess its not just them either

[@ryann5247]

@@eastcoastcracka yes thats why the Italians use it lol...

[@justinbiggs7729]

That is an often overlooked SMG. Never shot one, but use to see them for sale for around $400 used in good condition. I should have picked one up, but I already made my MPX an SBR and didn't anticipate the world going to shit.

[@donrichter3523]

Spoken like a dork that never shot one.

[@Mjdeben]

Outdated or not, that MP5 is still the holy grail of subguns in my eyes.

[@COLT6940]

Be a man and get full auto, don't ask for permission.

[@COLT6940]

@@Enjoyer.762 Ok Glowie.

[@COLT6940]

@@Enjoyer.762 Glowie shivers as the loud car engine getting closer.

[@COLT6940]

@@Enjoyer.762 cope and seethe if not dilate.

[@jonhurley7889]

Mp5 is still king. I didn't get it until i bought one and fell madly in love. Now we have 5 in our house hold. Love to shot suppressed in my shop. I can turn out the lights and practice using my nods. Everyone i have let shoot them immediately wants one. Ive been debating on getting an apc9 but really n the fence. I can't see it doing anything better than the mp5

[@GrayWolf-745]

When I decided purchase or 'build' a 9mm SMG profile firearm I wanted to keep it as simple as possible. Price was not a factor. I ended up with a PSA PA-9 lower with Colt profile magazines. The Gen 4 PSA upper with a 4" barrel. I switched out the supplied 5 oz buffer with a long 8 oz buffer which brings the combined weight of the bolt and buffer to 22.4 oz. Small, compact, AR-15 controls and it runs like a Swiss watch with last round bolt hold open for about $500 total. I do not discredit any of the other PCC's but this build is as simple as it gets.

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

This was more about platform. Not the manufacturer. Nothing wrong with PSA

[@leonardovu997]

You should have added the B&T APC9 in this review!

[@austinmitchell2746]

I literally was coming to the comments to comment this!! Have you tried out the sp5 as well as the apc or?

[@rondobrondo]

Why would he waste like $2000 or more for something so stupid

[@ja0298]

If Sig would improve the QC of the mpx, I would 100% get one again. Mine broke an extractor, didn’t suppress that well, and if I remember had some accuracy issues. I think it was with hollow points and subs. Currently I have a CMMG MK9 RDB. It suppressed better than my MPX did, fairly accurate, and so far had been pretty reliable with subs, supers, and hollow points.

[@homelessman3483]

Send it back they would fix it broken extractors happen on all platforms

[@ja0298]

@@homelessman3483 dude it’s been two years, I sold that shitty mpx and never looked back. The two CMMGs I have are good and better suppressor hosts but I’m going to sell them and get a Dakota tactical mp5 clone.

[@Wien1938]

If I recall correctly, I think InRangeTV reviewed the SP5 and complained about the SP5 trigger. I think the trigger pack is not the same as that shipped with the MP5.

[@grady719]

Hiperfire makes a Hipertouch 24 and PDi triggers for the MPX that make you fall in love with the gun all over again with a 2.5 and 3.5Ib trigger pulls. What he also forgot to mention is the MPX has user replaceable barrels.

[@johnphillips222]

I think the rankings and analyses are more or less fair.

[@mahilo3550]

Out of those, yeah I agree. B&T though....

[@FunkyPertwee]

B&T APC-9 looks pretty good.

[@Climax510]

Damn bro. Your the shit. Ive watched a hundred gun vids. Have subscribed to at least 20 channels in the past months. Your by far my favorite. This video was the shit. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and time. 🤜🏾🤛🏾

[@Z06C5]

Love my MPX. bought a year ago. Then the ammo disappeared. Only shot 4 times. Timney trigger is awesome

[@maker_greg]

I'm looking forward to seeing if angstadt arms will ever get their mdp 9 out.

[@JoeyP322]

No Extar EP9? I’ve used both the MP5 and the Colt 9mm. No issues with my Extar and I truly enjoy shooting it. No issues and it’s very accurate.

[@RARufus]

This! Extar EP9 for the win…and for the affordable. Plus it takes Glock mags including drums. It’s a sweet unit.

[@JoeyP322]

@@RARufus mine works great with the ETS 40 rd Glock magazines as well… not sure why this gets ignored

[@caseybrown5183]

I bought an ep-9 for my wife and it has been great overall, but the plastic trigger doesn’t hit the pin harder enough when extremely cold. I believe a milspec trigger will fix this, so I’m planning to put an ALG combat trigger in it, along with a steel buffer retainer.

[@HotPinkMist]

At every PCC match at least one MPX has had a weird jamming or feeding issue. Anecdotal, yes, just what I've seen. Lots of scorpions as well and I've never seen an issue with them.

[@MiamiVice.]

I had this issue with mine initially. Turned out it was the new magazines, they had so much spring tension that the bolt struggled to strip the top round from the mag into the chamber. I worked the springs a bit with a wooden dowel then left them fully loaded for a few weeks. Never had another failure after that. I do wish SIG and/or Lancer (magazine manufacturer) would make this known.

[@3of11]

It’s a sig.... beta test on their customers is SOP.

[@sorryociffer]

Colt style for me. Cheap, common reliable mags, cheap, widely available parts, identical manual of arms to the Rifle/carbine.

[@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894]

Just wish CMMG had a better method or system of support for people who want to use a Banshee BCG/Barrel kit but don't want to buy their Banshee lower.

[@sorryociffer]

@@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894 You can’t put the banshee upper on a standard lower?

[@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894]

@@sorryociffer The Banshee BCG has a built-in ejector, whereas a standard Colt pattern 9mm AR has the ejector built into the magwell in the lower. I'm sure you could dremel off the ejector from a magwell insert, but it would be nice if CMMG could confirm that this method works. i.e. dremel off the mag adapter ejector, dremel off a dedicated colt lower ejector. The CMMG Banshee provided colt mag lowers don't have an ejector built-in.

[@sorryociffer]

@@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894 Good to know. Thanks.

[@Shootsmith]

@@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894 CMMG sells the RDB upper with ENDO 9mm mags that work on any 556 lower & carbine buffer. Easy peasy.

[@AsianTrix]

I think if we look at law enforcement and military, then cross reference with competition shooting; we will find that the Sig MPX and CZ Scorpion will float to the top. The CMMG Banshee is a good range toy, but you don’t see top shooters using it. I can name at least three top tier and famous shooters off the top of my head using the Sig MPX, and I see the CZ Scorpion everywhere at USPDA competitions. I would need to see their input on why.

[@paddypibblet846]

The Sig is very popular because its the cheapest of the softest shooting PCCs available. Technically the best gun out right now is the jp5 but that's a $3300 dollar gun so it's not as common. The Sig MPX uses a gas system (as opposed to the direct blowback you see in most PCCs) which makes it a very low recoiling PCC, comparable to an airsoft gun. The scorpion on the other hand, is very cheap, very common, and very reliable so it's used A LOT. However, it's also heavy on the recoil and competition shooters really care about having no recoil. For non-competitive use, there are better options than the finicky MPX or expensive JP5

[@KnifeCursed]

I only have trigger time on the MP-5 series (normal, k, and sd) and the Colt pattern. I love shooting the MP-5 due to the amazingly soft recoil but as you mentioned, the human engineering is bad. I’ve also never shot a reliable MP-5. Mis-feeds and fte’s are common. I hated my Colt pattern SBR. Recoil was heavy, broke a bolt catch, and wasn’t particularly reliable suppressed or unsuppressed. I’d love to get an MPX but alas I’m out of work injured and finds simply won’t allow. Thanks for the awesome info Chris. Hope you and your family have a great weekend.

[@paulf7803]

The “MP5” you shot…were they clones, Zenith, PTR etc? Or real H&K? I have a real H&K and I’ve never had reliability issues with proper ammo and maintenance

[@KnifeCursed]

@@paulf7803 Real deal HK every single one. I’m assuming they’re just extremely high maintenance finicky guns. Glorious to shoot but apparently not easy to keep running 100%.

[@Nobody-dc8dp]

​@@paulf7803proper ammo? A gun should fire with any trash ammo if it's a good gun.

[@joshuaslone7219]

I went with the scorpion. I trust CZ reliability with my life and it comes in cheaper than the SIG. Plus if you're shooting a supressor the CZ isn't blasting you in the face with gas.

[@cryalowicki]

Would have liked to have seen a CMMG with their radial delay locking system in the shootout.

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

Very similar to any Colt-Pattern 9mm

[@smokedogg19821]

@@SmallArmsSolutions any way that you can review the Springfield Saint Victor

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

@@smokedogg19821 I have attempted to get one from Springfield. Waiting to hear back.

[@smokedogg19821]

@@SmallArmsSolutions see if you can find out why they use magpul furniture on some and bcm furniture on others I'm very curious about that. Also would like to know if I can change the 90° safety to the 45° that it is marked for

[@apb2887]

I used to own an MPX, I got rid of it. I like the scorpion better.

[@SeverianTheLame]

Great vid. I really enjoyed the comparison. More vids like this in the works?

[@danklelocke]

I’ve been looking forward to this video and really happy to finally watch it. Thank you. Side question, is that a radian weapons sticker in the back that’s been tilted by like 120 degrees?

[@Shootsmith]

CMMG RDB has low recoil, not as expensive as MPX, and more compatibility with the AR-15. Plus using Endo mags it’s a upper swap to switch from 556 to 9mm. Even heard it works with FRT.

[@freedomsquid7414]

Great video,thank you for sharing your experience.

[@formerpilgrim4934]

Excellent report, appreciate the hard work that went into it, but I can’t stand PCC’s! I want either a pistol or I want to rifle one or the other... like Cooper said, the pistol to defend and the rifle to attack. If I had to rock with one of them, it would be the MPX.

[@SomeGuy1234X]

Congrats on the weight loss. Do you think you can do a part 2 including the Kriss Vector and the AKV?

[@62dobie]

No FoxTrot 9? Change the trigger in it, it’s good to go. Plus it takes Glock mags.

[@dallasroberts6932]

I would love to see a comparison of the Mpx, banshee, and apc9. I have all 3 and have likes and dislikes of each.

[@beanguyensonr]

mind if I ask what your issues with the banshee are? I'm considering it myself

[@3of11]

You got all three. You tell us!

[@dallasroberts6932]

@@beanguyensonr currently I think the banshee is overpriced. It is more of a $1200 gun not $1500. Also it is not as soft shooting as advertised. I have an fm9 with a taccom buffer that is softer shooting than the banshee. I had to add/change a lot of parts to the banshee to make it satisfactory. The charging handle is way too big on the 300 series. The trigger is bad. The sling loops on the rear plate cut into my hand. To soften the recoil I had to add the cmmg weights to the bcg and put a high power spring in the buffer tube. I wanted to add a heavier buffer but the buffer tube is about 1 inch shorter than mil spec, so you have to change the buffer tube to do that. The most satisfying set up that I had was the factory weight bcg, mil spec buffer tube and a 7.5oz heavy buffer. It ran soft and locked back on the last round on all ammo that I tried, but I changed it out for my current set up to keep the rip brace. I hope this helps. It is a well built and reliable firearm, but it is not what all the youtubers say it is.

[@austinmitchell2746]

Is the apc your favorite or what

[@dallasroberts6932]

@@austinmitchell2746 I wanted it to be my favorite, but I have to say that I prefer the Mpx. I did get one of the inaccurate mpx’s, so I had to change the barrel and gas system but now it runs great. I paid $1600 for my Mpx, so it was still less than the apc9, even after the upgrades. I just got an mp5 and if you are looking for soft shooting it is the way to go. It is as soft as advertised.

[@pricelessppp]

I’ve always thought PCC’s are the coolest! That’s my dream second gun! 🙂

[@sackychin6267]

What was the dream first gun

[@pricelessppp]

@@sackychin6267 Ruger 1022 as well as a AR15 in 22Lr! 🙂

[@David_S_1967]

I have the KP9 from KUSA and it’s pretty nice. Works as well my MP5SD

[@spartan_yt8428]

Love the MPX but still want an MP5. HK should be slapped for their prices. Like the MP5

[@RARufus]

HK hates the poors…and the middle class…and the upper middle class.

[@69deputy]

I’m middle class and have 2 of them from HK! 😬

[@LWRoad]

Great overview sir, thanks for the detailed info.

[@joshswarts2809]

Out of the pc9 carbine, sub 2k, cz, mpx, and bog I would prefer the mpx. I love my 9 mm pccs but imo sig pulls out ahead of the rest.

[@justanotherinternetexpert7743]

out of these bunch I would say the MPX, but I personally love my lwrc smg 45. But I get it had so.e growing pains but those are fixed now.

[@evanacey1414]

The MP5 does not have a locked breach. It utilizes a roller delayed BLOWBACK system.

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

The bolt is locked at firing

[@KnifeCursed]

You know, another cool video idea would be a similar head to head comparing and contrasting 4-5 modern 5.56 rifles. That would be both a fun and I’m sure informative video. I’d vote: Beretta ARX CZ Bren 2 SCAR 16 Sig Virtus LMT MARS-MLR

[@MiamiVice.]

No PWS long stroke? 😢

[@KnifeCursed]

@@MiamiVice. That’s a great one too. I’m just an LMT fan. If I’m being honest though, the PWS has peak aesthetic. Make up a list man. Would love to hear what you come up with.

[@MiamiVice.]

@@KnifeCursed I like your list, personally would just add the PWS to it. Their adjustable long stroke system make it one of the best (possibly *the* best) AR platform suppressor host. Garand Thumb and Colion Noir have some content on this. Also, their customer service is excellent so it's nice seeing them do well. LMT is awesome, I'm looking at their MARS-H rifle in 7.62x51/.308 top tier stuff.

[@KnifeCursed]

@@MiamiVice. Adjustable gas is something I really wish LMT would do on their DI guns for suppressed/unsuppressed.

[@theoneand0nly874]

You forgot to mention the mp5 40 cal and 10mm that have a last round bolt hold open release button. Exclusively made for the FBI and HRT. I own a 10mm clone with the last round bolt hold open, and so can you just go to hkparts and order a 40/10mm receiver flat , and pick a builder.

[@pc5440]

I'd rather run a rifle caliber in that size package, especially since we don't have full auto.

[@andreivaldez2929]

Same, but there's some reasons for 9mm over 5.56mm, especially with such a short barrel length. Absolute joke is the 16" pistol-caliber rifles. SBR laws are retarded.

[@tommcfarland5368]

Yep, that's why I sold my cz evo

[@fat_2627]

Only reason I got a PCC was for indoor range use and plinking.

[@granitejeepc3651]

PCC or PCC types aka big pistols are great for unarmored short range engagements ie what most of metro usa looks like currently

[@calebclark6739]

People fail to mention the grip angle on the Hk Sp5. It needs to be more vertical and there is no way to change it.

[@jonnyf9523]

Magpul makes grip modules that you drop your trigger into changing the grip and safety

[@mrd7067]

Is it better to have the magazine in the front or in the grip? Also thoughts on the Saab Bofors Dynamics CBJ-MS and its "new" caliber that is supposed to be compatible with 9mm ?

[@shanebateman649]

Thoughts on the DBB ones like the APC9?

[@strategic-work]

The MPX K (4.5”) are selling from $2000 to $2500 at present time.

[@andreivaldez2929]

Not to mention that SIG is selling the 8" upper as an upper only: you either get a 4" 'pistol', or a 16" 'rifle'. If you want the more ideal 8" you basically have to buy it twice. Thanks, SIG, very cool.

[@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894]

@@andreivaldez2929 The 8 inch is only ideal if you never intend on suppressing it. The K barrels are ideal for keeping the length down with a silencer. To each their own.

[@Frens03]

Price is where both the HK and Sig suck… that’s why I got the CZ.. simpler mechanics and cheaper parts.. maybe not as good as the Sig but I got all the cool upgrades over the Mp5 at a fair price

[@coreymoyers]

Agree, love your channel.

[@Gonepostal28]

great analysis....i love the MPX, but i'm broke, so i'll take my Scorpion all day

[@TexasTrained]

Awesome video. I agree with your assessment 100%. You are a wealth of information. I like and appreciate your videos. Many Thanks.

[@borkwoof696]

Is the Scorpion Evo what the UMP should have been?

[@justinbiggs7729]

Maybe if it came chambered in 45 ACP.

[@jim99west46]

UMP has a easy to break off plastic front sight.

[@scottyday5255]

I CAN;T BELIEVE YOU THANK THAT

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

I explain it very well why I think like I do. If you think objectively and listen to reason you probably would agree.

[@nickma71]

This presentation and a couple of comments made me think of the M14 and the bag of bullshit sold with it in terms what it can do, when it was Stoner’s rifle that could do multiple things.

[@jweathers131]

Semi random question: How much should I worry about exposed muzzle threads on a gun? Should I just wipe them when I need to use them or will they need a deeper clean even if I only shot a few rounds?

[@vomeister]

Great video thank you.

[@donr4582]

Nice collection of pcc

[@bobb8423]

As a competition shooter let do a video on most reliable. And yes I can answer that CZ.

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

I god a video on both Scorpion models

[@touofthehighplains]

Where is the love for B&T?

[@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894]

I'm also one of those people curious about the MPX vs the APC9

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

I just got a APC9. Not a game changer. I stand by my rankings

[@rauldel-llano3102]

Thanks for the info

[@jim99west46]

Hk Mp5 tip, use the military sniper psg1 trigger pack.

[@andreivaldez2929]

Barely started the video but already am calling it: MPX. AR controls are superior and having them be fully ambidextrous is perfect, as well as not using direct blowback like most other PCCs on the market. Just wish SIG would sell the 8" barrel upper as a complete 'pistol' instead of only an upper right now. Absolute scumbags over there.

[@ayyyota]

>Absolute scumbags over there chill lol. They stopped selling those because no one was buying them. Either get the upper, get the barrel from Sig, or get the barrel from ILWT.

[@jayw947]

Love your work

[@gearbarrel6237]

Awesome selection of pcc! No B&T?

[@jamesalles139]

I don't know about any of these. sighs in Beretta Cx4 Storm 9mm

[@mr.excitement689]

Why do so many people complain about the stribog magazine being a straight feed magazine and not being curved, but folks love the colt/modified uzi mags?

[@dbmail545]

Where do you get the idea that we love them? Rugged and cheap but you need the LULA loader to load them.

[@redroverredrover5311]

The taliban have newer weapons but right there with one,hk mp5...2 days ago

[@apisdude]

I have a gen 2 MPX, ILWT has done mods to it and it now performs well. but early on I also had a problem with breaking extractors. I see in the comments others have as well. do we know what caused the extractors to break? I shoot it suppressed, there are some suppressors that are terrible with this gun, my F1 seems to work very well with no gas in the face regardless of ammo.

[@sirrisdesign4]

The MPX is a dumpster fire. 3 generations and it’s still a mess. The scorpion also sucks. Terrible grip and recoil is atrocious. The MP5 is 3k and still gets purchased all day long. Gun has had minimal upgrades since 1964 and has one in the Smithsonian with 300,000 rounds documented and still going. In full auto, nothing touches its performance.

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

Everyone has an opinion.mechanically, you are way off on performance. The MP5 is rarely purchased. It is way out of date and obsolete. It was be as t out in India by the Colt 9mm SMG. Many just have nostalgia over the MP5. The MPX and Scorpion are the top selling SMG’s in the free world. Trigger, recoil, accuracy and human engineering, mp5 is at the end of the line. It’s WW2 tech.

[@rondobrondo]

The scorpion is so badass and always has been. Truly a legendary gun and a favorite of 'bad guys' everywhere haha. I really should probably get one of the 3 EVO+ Pistols or Micros before Colt finds a way to screw that up now that they have their dirty fingers all up in CZ now. OH, THAT REMINDS ME. Chris, would you be able/willing to do a video about the Colt/CZ merge or acquisition or whatever the hell it was, and what's going on with that and what you think about it? It seems really really really strange, and seems like a bad move for CZ to make, I don't really understand what their plan is, and from what I've heard from an acquaintance who used to work for CZ USA, it sounds like it's not gonna go well, and it sounds like CZ brought Colt in, but is still letting the same people who ruined Colt continue to run a lot of things and have maybe even given those clowns MORE power.

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

I would like to, but I don’t have access to the needed information to give you an accurate representation of how it is working. All I can tell you is they are still two very different companies who are run very differently. CZ is a well ran progressive defense manufacturer. They produce full one of modern high quality pistols, assault rifles, SMG and bolt rifles. Colt on the other hand is still reintroducing old products with nothing new to offer the market. They live off legacy rifles sold to the US Govt. I was hoping to see CZ change Colt management and use their business model of producing modern family of weapons to bring the company back to its former industry leading status. This is observable to anyone who sees Colts current product line. New products are bringing back revolvers which will not assist Colt in the international military markets. CZ on the other hand, has a product for every need an army or modern PD would need. State of the art pistols, SMG, Assault Rifles and bolt sniper rifles. The Bren 2 and the new Bren 3 are probably in the top rifles in the industry. CZ keeps improving on the design. Just hope we get to see the Bren 3 in the US!

[@user-fl4wn9dn2c]

nice review

[@scottyday5255]

THEY DO NOW YOU CAN PUT ALL KINDS STUFF ON MP5

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

You to can add the modern Accesories for a mere $5k you can try to make your old MP5 do what modern designs do! The ergos are not there. The trigger is not there. Not locking back is not there. Additional step in retracting the bolt when reloading slows you down when other designs merely have a button to push. The MP5 was good in its day but its day is long past.

[@dalestark3343]

Totally agree. MCX #` CZ #2

[@bn6728]

Would love to see you assess the B&T APC9 vs. these. I have a Micro Scorpion, which I love, and only passed on the APC9 due to cost, of both the gun and its mags. When I was shopping for a PCC, the MPX was relatively new, and there were a lot of problems with it (as usual with SIG any more). A lot of those problems have been fixed, but I think the gas blowback with a suppressor is much worse on the MPX vs. both the Scorpion and APC9. Great video, as usual!

[@3of11]

Sig: we will make it reliable on the second generation

[@skipjackdiver4297]

@@3of11 or "3rd"

[@ea2225]

Cz scorpion ftw with upgrades of course

[@tengu190]

No B&T MP9 or GP Stribog SP9A3 or Radial lock AR?

[@abitnutz6747]

The MP-5 should have been chambered for the 221 Remington Fireball. That would have pre-dated the 5.7x28 by half a century and been far superior in performance,

[@borkwoof696]

Would that have really been a significant step above a 5.56?

[@warpig6734]

Man, I said that in the late 80's as a 17 year old gun nut. Lol. Great gun minds must think alike.

[@abitnutz6747]

@@borkwoof696 No, out of that short a barrel it would have been the same, but remember the MP-5 isn't firing a 5.56. It's shooting a 9mm. An MP-5 in 221 would have had far higher ballistic performance over the 9mm but in the same package.

[@xaviergray3778]

Based on the information given I think I would put the Colt at four and MP5 at three. In the 4 steps you counted for the MP5 you skipped inserting a magazine as a step for the other SBR so it’s only a 1 step difference, not two.

[@SeerofChins]

Beretta Cx4 storm is always forgotten

[@nunyabiznes32]

Plastic hammer, horrible trigger, debris blows back in your face, beard pulling stock, unthreaded barrel. It's a fun lightweight range toy, but there are way better 9mm options available.

[@myelling7773]

XCR-P is best :P Hope they eventually come out with that thing.

[@jeremysiegel10]

I am definitely more of the Scorpion being #1, as for the MPX being #1 of your choice, I didnt like for exactly the same reason you liked it, the M16 battery of arms To me, I have no doubt it the M16 battery of arms is one of the best for practical use but I find it also incredibly boring. The MPX looks like an AR type platform, nothing about it excites me. I know it works and its a good gun, but its not exciting, it doesnt look good or special The Scorpion however, looks cool as heck AND functions amazingly for me (scratches my MP5 itch too) but technologically speaking direct blowback cant compare to the gas piston of the MPX of course. But given the ergos for me, the looks, the functionality, the accuracy, the cost, the Scorpion still rates highest to me

[@vepraksoldat2963]

My CZ and my KR9 are awesome

[@David_S_1967]

What do you think about the B&T offerings like the APC9?? Supposed to be pretty good

[@3of11]

The best😛

[@ricktoole9991]

Gotta say C Z for me. Works perfectly shoots straight with zero problems

[@mic187x2]

+smallarmssolutions To Chris. As someone who helped design the Lasermax would one fit in a Girsan regard?

[@granitejeepc3651]

MP5 is a sub machine gun Sig and CZ are big pistols Colt is the only carbine there