SHOWER PUMP INSTALL for a BATHROOM | Fitting an S Flange....REAL WORLD PLUMBING

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Please hit the link and get the petition signed to get this passed through parliament petition.parliament.uk/petitions/659019

[@ashleymapes3926]

Never signed a petition so fast. Had all my tools nicked its heart wrenching. Lets hope something gets done

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate….. hopefully we can make a difference

[@andrewbennett6068]

Signed the petition. Great idea and I hope it gets to parliament for a chance to make a difference 👍🏻

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Andrew

[@raybrough697]

Good job,50 years at the plumbing and still have some problems with removing connection from top of cyclinders occasionally when they are just rusted and corroded as you said can be a pain!👍🤗

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep they can catch you out sometimes

[@aaronlawrence5346]

Petition signed! Live the video really educating!

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks buddy👍🏼👍🏼

[@andyfadian]

Petition signed, fantastic idea Mark 👏👏

[@jonathanswann5852]

Hi mark great video. Well done for perseverance on removing cylinder fitting. In the end in the loft, did you tee off from the hot shower pump outlet directly onto the hot pipe feeding the taps? Ive not seen a shower pump used to also boost the gravity hot water. Im impressed. Presumably doing it this way doesn't void pump warrenty. Keep up the great content 👍👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

That’s exactly what I did mate👍🏼👍🏼👌🏼

[@JohnMyer999]

Petition signed no problem, had my van broken into about 10 years ago cost a lot as you know. 😢

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate 👌🏼👌🏼… hopefully it will make a difference

[@dmarriott9701]

Was once doing an upgrade to a heating system for a friend who was a detective constable. On the Monday morning as we started he told me he and his wife had been to a Sunday market where he’d seen one stall holder with around 20 lawnmowers for sale. With a knowing look between him and me we both new they weren’t honestly acquired.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Happens so much mate…. Something needs to be done

[@Getinthere95]

Great vid Mark ,petition signed.👍👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼

[@getbry7452]

Great job as always Mr Tiff. Personally I prefer Stuart Turner pumps, they're quieter and I've far less issues with ST. Probably would've mounted the pump on a piece of 18mm ply to improve stability. Interestingly most pump manufacturers will not honour their unless fitted correctly, which includes an S Flange. So you did the right thing there, mate. Loving your work 👏🏻. Thanks for the video 👍🏻 🌟

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Always got to be fitted right, and it’s rock solid on the anti vibration plates it comes with👍🏼👍🏼

[@tkthebear984]

Great video Mark and I loved the chuckle when it worked loose. I had one once where I had to use heat to get it to shift, they can be an absolute pig at times. Looked a lot neater when it was all completed. Petition all signed and shared 😃👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Cheers mate….. yep I was about to get the Blowlamp on it but it went👌🏼

[@stevewoods3263]

Petition signed - thanks for all the great content Mark.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Steve 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙏🏼

[@Schinney]

Nice job, as a chippie working for Warwick district council years ago my old plumber mate Nigel Barnett told me to keep the cylinder full when cracking an immersion heater, Nigel lived in Southam do you ever see him at plumbers merchants around Warwick or Leamington?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Great advice….. can’t say I know a Nigel Barnett tbh

[@andyfadian]

Petition signed, fantastic idea Mark 👏👏

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Andy

[@garyredfern5303]

Petition is signed and I have shared it on my socials. Had to install a power shower this week. Was shitting myself that I didn't twist the cylinder but it all worked out well in the end. Great vid as always 👍👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Gary 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👌🏼

[@chrisgunn121]

Thanks for the video Mark, I've got one of them to do next month and I'm already having sleepless nights.... Petition signed, let's hope this has the desired effect and helps prevent tool theft..........

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Good luck with it mate 👍🏼👍🏼

[@5084204]

Love the "before and after" clips.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👌🏼👌🏼

[@stevenlee5353]

I split a tank once wile changing the immersion heater, had to do a temp fix until I could get round to replace it! Quick question, why use the grips all the time, especially on flange nuts and compression fittings? The reason I ask is as your gripping and especially on tight ones like that, you squash the nut wall against the thread and make it harder to undo, but if you was to use a spanner or adjustable it pushes against the tips of the flats and creates more of a turning motion.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

No real reason to be honest mate…. Just how I work…

[@mickobyobrien2650]

Great job,petiton signed,my van got stolen from outside my house they dumped it 2 miles away,but I'd raised my van floor 8" and cut out and opening in floor to hide power tools, covered compartment with dust sheet,they got my work bags and old drill i left out.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate…… and well done for the secret compartment… I like that alot

[@petercarter5732]

Great idea

[@pitcull1046]

Signed it, thanks for the heads up. Keep up the good work Mark.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate

[@JT-si6bl]

Q: If the cylinder twist is best avoided while turning the collar, why not keep the loosened but still on top-pipe in to help stabilise the torq?

[@richardaird2880]

Nice one Mark. I wasn't aware you could use the power pump for multiple outlets. Every day's a school day. Thanks mate...Petetion signed 👍👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep perfect pump for the job👍🏼👍🏼 Thanks for signing up mate

[@SteveHit1]

Great video! Also, thanks for the heads up on the petition - signed!

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks and thankyou for getting signed up👍🏼

[@donaldduncan6017]

Plumbing is sweet and sour always. That was SWEET!😊

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Hahah thanks mate

[@craigmilkins9697]

9:56 that was nerve wracking. petition signed, had my tools nicked two years ago almost to the day, massive ball ache.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Hahaha… thanks mate

[@carguillo1]

well done Mark your still the best on youtube

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thankyou mate…. Very kind

[@chrisholt2474]

Hi Mark, a great looking job there, I am a big fan of the Salamander pumps, a massive increase in the water pressure for the customer. I’m sure they will be made up now that pump is installed, well done. I sighed up too, have a great week and take care, regards Chris. 👍👍👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Chris…….. keep watching as I’m heading upto Salamander very soon…😉

[@chrisholt2474]

@@MJTiffPlumbingGreat I’m looking forward to that. 🍻👍👍

[@MarkR446]

Signed. Tidy job Mark!

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Nice mate mate

[@robinmayor4416]

Petition signed… great video

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate

[@JR-1983]

Great job it certainly looked an effort to get that old valve out, what happens if you cant? New cylinder?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate…… If it don’t come out then yep, that would be the advised route…. Most pump manufactures insist in the fitting instructions to have a S Flange or alike…..

[@JR-1983]

@@MJTiffPlumbing I am guessing this could be the difference between a plumber fitting the shower and a bathroom fitter

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

100% mate….👏🏼👏🏼

[@DjGiluk]

Neat job Mark, learned a lot here 👍🏻

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate

[@nedloh17]

Would it not have been prudent to replace the gate valve on the cold feed to the cylinder for a lever valve whilst you had the system drained down ?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Possibly

[@thewesternwonderer9065]

Enjoyed it...I loved it Mark! A brilliant in-depth video, keep more of the same coming 👍and bye the way I've signed the petition.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Glad you enjoyed it mate….. and thankyou for getting involved and signing up👌🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@andyroberts9562]

Brilliant job 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate

[@edthelasttribe9580]

I have forwarded that link to many trades people, that I know off , I will support this petition and help you out .

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thankyou mate 🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@Trailcamescape]

Great video Mark.... Signed!

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate

[@mastercraft5798]

Nice job Mark.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate👍🏼

[@koolio67890]

A few comments from me 1) if you gently sand the top of the cylinder to make it smooth and flat where the s flange goes in, then the fibre washer is generally sufficient to seal, just a little bit of PTFE around the threads to reduce friction (not to make the seal) and it works absolutely great with a gentle snug down. My understanding is the threads are parallel so they aren’t designed to make the seal. 2) Salamander universal pumps are terrible, they eventually become very slow to switch on after a year or so and this gets progressively worse. I appreciate the customers are to a budget but at the very least they should have gone for a Stuart Turner. Wouldn’t touch a salamander pump with a barge pole anymore.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks for your comment buddy… We all do things differently but get the same results….. that’s how I fit that fitting into the cylinder. As for Salalmander, I have never had an issue with them…. I know some have but I havent

[@BlueVelvetBear]

Petition signed ✔️

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thankyou

[@glyndavies591]

Neat job Mark those modern taps are no good for gravity fed systems. That hot outlet fitting looked really tight i always heat them with a blowlamp first usually come loose with less effort and less strain on the cylinder

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate……👍🏼👍🏼….. don’t forget to get that petition signed mate

[@glyndavies591]

@@MJTiffPlumbing no probs

[@SouthWestWildernessScotland]

That's it signed Mark. 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Nice one mate👍🏼👍🏼

[@peterbaker4650]

Had similar issue with hot water pressure, plumber fitted a single pump on hot water system, fixed pressure issue but was so noisy had to have it removed after six weeks. Resigned to low hot water flow can you recommend a quiet pump. Petition signed

[@keithcampbell7214]

Petition all signed. Another great video, thanks Mark.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Keith 👍🏼👍🏼🙏🏼

[@domdouble5761]

Did the new pump run quieter with the s flange fitted

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

The new pump run quieter full stop…. It’s very very quiet and with the door shut the customers couldn’t hear it at all

[@peterduffield221]

Partition shared and signed and another useful video many thanks

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Peter 🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@michaelsharpin3369]

Great video Mark. I,m signed.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate 🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@MichaelPitman-n6o]

Great video Mark really enjoy watching your videos. Is that the same pump that you put in your sons? Do they vary then? Thanks again.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate…. It’s the same brand.. Salamander.. but this is a twin port hot and cold pump for showers and outlets👍🏼

[@robertpeters8531]

Great video Mark. Am I right in saying the cylinder still had its own cold feed still in place and the pipe you videoed with the elbow was the original separate cold supply to the old pump. Keep up the great work excellent learnt a lot Thankyou. Soak

[@siyarahmad3591]

I'm confused, you can not use vent pipe to feed taps , can someone please explain

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

It’s all explained in the video buddy…. Listen to it when I say what I am doing👍🏼👍🏼

[@Get0ffMyBike]

Great idea - signed 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate

[@KimSalmon-i5e]

Signed the petition

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Nice one mate

[@riptiz]

The only problem with using Loctite 55 is it has a resin in it that hardens and can make it difficult to remove in the future. Personally I would use the paste, gasket ptfe and a ptfe grommet against the shoulder so it compresses between the two faces.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼….. we all have our own ways of doing stuff….. mines not right or wrong, neither is yours. We do what works for us👌🏼

[@Sithehandyguy-London]

Petition done 👍🏼

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thankyou👍🏼👍🏼

[@markhannan4712]

Nice one

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@thechrissyb]

Lovely and quiet original pump 😂

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

That’s now been removed

[@cputilitysolutions]

Always squeaky bum time when doing a surrey flange!🤣

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Always mate…… EVERYTIME 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@victoriamanson8330]

Signed!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thankyou mate🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@no_short_circuit]

Hi Mark, thanks for the video. As a keen DIYer I have struggled removing immersers from hot water tanks and I was looking forward to the "little trick " you mentioned at 5:27 in your video - did I miss something? Petition signed BTW

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Keep the tank full of water…. Keep the pressure in it and it keeps the form of the cylinder👍🏼👍🏼

[@no_short_circuit]

@@MJTiffPlumbing Thanks

[@5084204]

Hmm. Salamander hot water entry comes from the top of the cylinder and is linked to the vent (don't remember now, but there is a substantial air gap to the water storage tank). I'm interested in another aspect: is there a risk that the HW pump intake will start drawing air from the vent (which is T'd: cylinder+vent+salamander)? Only just started level 2 CH systems and it is a bit mind boggling sometimes.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Nope….. as that is the whole point of fitting the S-Flange…. It sits further down in the tank and eliminates all those issues👍🏼👌🏼

[@5084204]

@@MJTiffPlumbing thank you!

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Your welcome mate

[@howardranby717]

Hi Mark Which wet vacuum do you use and would you recommend it? Cheers

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I have the Milwaukee vet and dry vac👍🏼

[@howardranby717]

Thank you, great video and I’ve signed.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate

[@multitrader772]

Petition signed

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks man

[@andrewlockyer6442]

I was the before and after flow rate out of interest Signed 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I would say less than 2 L/per min to start with then clearly 10/12L afterwards

[@andrewlockyer6442]

👏 good stuff, another happy customer

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Indeed mate

[@Ark__Angel]

nice job love your content have learned a lot from the channel

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate, very kind words

[@mroldschool609]

Great work m8

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks buddy

[@Mofosteveo]

All signed Matt 👍🏻

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Matt 👍🏼👍🏼

[@mdocko2285]

All signed Mark 👍🏼

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thankyou mate

[@buzzmusic7039]

I always use a small Stilson and leave a stub of 22mm in top of tee to hold onto to steady.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Great idea👌🏼👍🏼

[@lloydjones8962]

All signed mark keep up the good work

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Lloyd 👍🏼👍🏼👌🏼

[@paulsmith2931]

Was a combi or unvented cylinder not an option, bet that pump cost a few quid?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Not on this job mate, very elderly couple just wanted the easiest solution to this issue

[@lestc8579]

Ive never seen the hot water plumbed in like that on the original 3 sinks.. It looks like it goes up the air vent in to the loft and tyen must go back down again because there was only one draw off from the top of that tank that went in the original positive pressure pump but you reckon only the shower was pumped

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

That’s exactly how it was mate……. The shower had been recently fitted and was pumped with the small pump that was fitted…

[@lestc8579]

Fair play..first for me Keep up the good work

[@lewisbowditch694]

Signed previously on Nick Bundy's link, think all us tradesmen need to stick together on this a teach those thieving scumbags enough is enough 👍 Really enjoy your blogs to mate 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Exactly that mate 👍🏼👍🏼👌🏼👌🏼

[@Exgasman9072]

Why not use bigger grips or spanner to give you more leverage?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Would have done if it wouldn’t come out…. Didn’t need to in the end👍🏼👍🏼

[@olaayoola9037]

How was the cylinder full when you got the flange in if you drained it all down via the shower and taps?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Because it would only drain to the top of the cylinder and highest draw off buddy 👍🏼

[@charlieforde8886]

Signed!

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Nice one mate

[@KimSalmon-i5e]

Did you not consider replacing the cylinder with a pressurised cylinder

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

It was mentioned by the cost to covert it was more than they wanted to spend…. We got the result this way👍🏼👍🏼

[@06kickflip]

Apprentice plumber here! Why should you never touch the gate valves?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Because they can snap off shut if they are old…..

[@darrylclarke41]

Turn a few and you'll never turn them again

[@michaelpyra7554]

If its too hard mark try and use your hammer to turn the grips round 😊😊

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

What the what and who

[@fuffuf5759]

Signed

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@paulcondron1701]

Done

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thankyou 🙏🏼

[@chrispeat285]

You need a bigger pair of grips Mark appliance of science i say to my lads! Great informative video i own a crawl loft i feel your pain

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

These worked mate…. Got it out in the end……👍🏼 My bigger set were in the van, would of got them if I had to get the Blowlamp out😉

[@davehunter6920]

signed

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thankyou Dave 🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@deanmiles8421]

Mark, why did you choose a centrifugal pump?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Was spec’d by Salamander 👌🏼👌🏼👍🏼

[@deanmiles8421]

@@MJTiffPlumbing why?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Why not…… I rang them and asked for some advise with what I had to work with. This is the perfect universal twin pump to work with the setup that was in the house

[@deanmiles8421]

@@MJTiffPlumbing I asked as if you used the regen pump and the pump was at the base of the cylinder you wouldn't have had to bugger about with the flange and risk splitting the tank

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Zero room at the bottom of the cylinder as you can see….. hence having a universal pump up where it is mate👍🏼👍🏼

[@loafersheffield]

Showaddywaddy! 💪

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@andrewhoughton2617]

Great job. Although it really should have an anti gravity loop piped in after the s flange with the pump sitting above the cylinder. Either way looks like the customer will be made up. Ps, that loft looked crazy tight 😳

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Fitted as per manufactures instructions mate, perfectly fine👍🏼 And yes, that roof was a nightmare

[@pathom1698]

Where can I find one of those drain cock keys ?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Search “PlumbChum”

[@backwards86]

Paste makes it crap for the next guy, thread will seal fine with proper wraps of the loctite 55!

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

So will this and it’s not an issue 👍🏼

[@mgbroadsterJ]

What about the tools which aren't stolen ?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

What about them?

[@mgbroadsterJ]

@@MJTiffPlumbing How will you know if they are stolen ? You cant put a blanket ban on all power tools at car boots .

[@AnthonyMccormack-u9w]

My van and all my tools where nicked last week

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Sorry to hear that mate….. some proper scumbags about

[@AnthonyMccormack-u9w]

@MJTiffPlumbing Tell me about it

[@bikerjon153]

A bigger spanner might of helped

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Didn’t need one…. It’s came out with a bit of force👍🏼 If the Blowlamp had to come out I would of got some bigger grips, but wasn’t needed

[@nickcannon5592]

Ive been turned over more than once, so i signed. He never fitted pump in loft because it is the least prefered position, and no Wd40 wont help

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Nick 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@pauloliver588]

I always heat it up lol

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I was just about to and it went 👌🏼👌🏼

[@nicolassales8679]

The skill is knowing when to give up and get the blow lamp!

[@steveyboyXRP]

fit an essex flange no need to risk trying to get fitting off

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Drilling INTO an old cylinder is much more of a risk imho…..There’s a few ways to get a fitting to stop airiation

[@andrewhoughton2617]

Essex flange really is squeaky bum time 😂

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

@@andrewhoughton2617yep…… forget that when this works just as well with less hassle

[@jackgadsden456]

Are all their hots on the right on all taps 😂

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep….. on the basins…. Was waiting for someone to mention it😉

[@jackgadsden456]

James from plumber parts must have been there

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mickobyobrien2650]

Lol,I noticed that too.

[@SuperWayneyb]

🤘😎🤘

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Evening mate

[@SuperWayneyb]

@@MJTiffPlumbing Evening Pal 👍👍

[@davehunter6920]

could be one hell of a vibration on those batons mark

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Zero vibration mate…… the shelf is screwed down….. also comes with anti vibration plates on the bottom.

[@kevinisaac9139]

Salamander pumps are rubbish I always use Stuart turner pumps they are brilliant 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

We all use what we prefer….. if a pump is fitted correctly they will work fine👍🏼

[@jimmypage1]

I agree they're rubbish. I also use Stuart and Turner

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

You mean Stuart Turner

[@jimmypage1]

@@MJTiffPlumbing Yeah I know. I've been calling them that for 30 years

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Apart from above where you called them “Stuart and Turner”…..🤣👍🏼👍🏼

[@lestertennysonsmith-xw2fm]

Is wd40 no good

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

If you can get it on a day or so in advance probably yes…. But this had to come out quick to get the job going

[@steveyboyXRP]

good practice to fit a salamander 3port mixer into them pumps incase stat fails salamander pumps are garbage

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Never had a problem with them when fitted as instructed with S flange and a large enough tank👍🏼👍🏼

[@sitbacknchilll]

signed 24002 signatures and counting

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thankyou mate🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@mendyourhome]

The petition is OK, it won't do a thing except drive up the price of used hand tools making it more lucrative to steal them. Go into a Rolex store and ask to buy a Rolex they'll say there's no stock and put you on a waiting list other brands do this. The petition should be for Van companies to take responsibility and install reenforced doors and safety features as standard. We shouldn't have to buy aftermarket. Tools should have chips that can be registered and if they're not scanned yearly by the owner they get disabled and can't be used

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Key word in your whole statement is “Should” They don’t so we have to do this…… Be good if you could get onboard to support it