Shroud Reacts To The NEW Valorant Map & Patch Notes

[@Gibbo_cs]

Completely agree with the idea of them phasing out abilities in the long run. It'll either be that or run into the overwatch issue where it became oversaturated and a balancing nightmare.

[@navdeepsingh3508]

It's already a balancing nightmare...Jett is valorant's genji. . If nothing else ...let's Nerf Jett.

[@senbonzkra]

⁠@@navdeepsingh3508so you’re bronze then

[@MisterBolticus]

git gud @@navdeepsingh3508

[@navdeepsingh3508]

@@senbonzkra sure? I mean ...you can't deny that they keep nerfing Jett..

[@Tihamatt]

​@@senbonzkraah because Jett hasn't been dominating even in pro play, you must be iron to think he's bronze off of a comment, but realisticlly since you brought in rank you're probably silver who thinks it's your team's fault that your hearstuck 😊

[@iashahrahman963]

The halls on breeze is kinda useless and the door from ct site,im like bruh...just block it all off

[@xdtjv2843]

Im guessing they wanted to allow doors as a position, with nades and mollies to attack the position, but why the door is still openable idk The same is with the hatch, i guess they liked the design and what it brought to the map

[@xcaliber4141]

Why useless

[@xdtjv2843]

Can omen still tp into it?

[@lukerohloff6381]

then just don’t go there….

[@darkfeenex1121]

​@xdtjv2843 no I've tried it. And there was rumours that the walls in halls are gonna be breakable but obviously it's not

[@ruzgar1372]

1:29 ok that "ATM Inside" sign is genious because the "TM" and "IN" is faded

[@AvurtYE]

They should make the defender rotation through spawn a little longer to incentivize defenders trying go through the riskier halls route. That would give the sight line a lot more play. They should also make the door open faster to again incentivize that area for defenders.

[@hr_47]

Thats what i though

[@mikaell6461]

I knew instantly when I first played this map that the barriers where going to get changed, it's very t sided and attackers can just rush and take map control instantly. Riot really cooked on this one🔥🔥

[@assassinscreed1624]

the dumbest changes in breeze is the halls blockage, there is no point of keeping the halls if they are making such silly changes.

[@ahmeddraza]

fr just remove it at this point the whole point of the bridge was that you could flank or rotate from there

[@buzzgaming3154]

It’s kinda ct side so bad. The fact the door is still there that’s mean as a ct you can peek through there and it’s a good spot for peeking a main Nb: i don’t know if you can open the door or not

[@assassinscreed1624]

It is what it is I am not a dev, I realised that saying anything won't change , anyway it is their game they can do whatever they want who are we to even talk about. Coming from CS background valorant maps doesn't made any senses earlier so it's nothing new.

[@SubjektDelta]

because they dont know how to make a good game

[@xdtjv2843]

There is tho, although a bit niche. The impenetrable door and hatch are game functions they obviously intended to keep, but halls as a walkable position caused problems, so you remove the walkability. You can still nade and molly the door if anyones holding inside to force a gunfight.

[@ihaveyourcrayola]

Halls was easily the worst part of playing Breeze. Late lurk up hall meant either site was way easier to take and way harder to hold. committing a ct to Halls when they aren't going there is a waste. One of the harder maps to defend in a Ranked setting because nobody ever anchors halls. I don't understand why leave it open at all but whatever.

[@TrickyTroy.]

its legit a bloody maze

[@yeetusdeletus3072]

This map is like: "HE'S IN THE CORNER!" "WHICH FOKIN CORNER?!"

[@ztriplea]

So this is my second video watching of shrouds in 2023, and honestly I think I’m gonna start watching more of his videos now because of his editor. Love the subtitles, and then having the memes above that. Simple things like that make me laugh so hard, hands up to the editor

[@xdtjv2843]

I think they nailed the jett nerfs, they perfectly contained her to the confines they intend her to have. Dash to get out of a fight, but has to be well timed. Smokes for a short cover anywhere on the map. And no double updraft ult shenanigans.

[@taodon74]

Yeah I agree the jett nerfs weren't too bad, I'm just afraid the nerfs are the start to a long list of nerfs for the other agents.

[@musicaltarrasque]

Im just upset that sova got hit as collateral The only reason they made his dart two tics is so that one jett smoke can still cover the entire dart duration

[@snerremans5206]

I think giving jett one updraft is actually a really good change but maybe they should’ve experimented with a cooldown/recharge function first to see how she would’ve faired.

[@emmanuelnwachukwu399]

​@@musicaltarrasqueit's not the only reason lol, in pro play how many te you are going to see the dart scan 3 times, players are smart the won't let tick even once, let alone 3 times. It also helps the bronze player levels for people that don't even shot the arrow and get destroyed for it.

[@xdtjv2843]

@@snerremans5206 that's not a bad idea, but so far only signature abilities have the possibility to come back after using. So i don't think this'll happen. (except Gekko)

[@acceptsxo]

i really hope they do make it harder, would actually feel more rewarding to try get better & push higher ranks

[@SubjektDelta]

they slowly nerf every agent until its just like CS because nothing beats it

[@SupersternNo1]

Just in EU Cs is unplayable if you don’t want to play with russians. They are literally in every single game and it’s annoying -> always using voice chat, always russian always loud…. As if they don’t know what discord is Literally one of the reasons why I switched to Valorant

[@roko98332r]

​@@SupersternNo1have u played on sea server. either silent no comms. or very toxic, slurs, every language yelled at your clutch. lower ranks filled with smurf 40 kills and 3 death with e girls sage or skye. and plat higher with possible cheater on either side. cs was bit better only filled with HK Chineese speaking King Oil. as long u have prime enabled.

[@bryanmulcare9083]

Sunset is a mix with breeze, Lotus, and Ascent, there’s no between from there.

[@uuubs]

LOL the judge headshots without even trying

[@s0nar]

the devs should have shroud develop a map tbh

[@naufalrafli291]

Breeze update got more worse. That tunnel mid is useless

[@piyushgarg9897]

It looks like this map is highly inspired from Anubis (CSGO). If you remove the valorant-esk features from the map and changes they made to make it a bit original, the overall structure and how the game plays out is the same as Anubis.

[@ts0ura]

It looks more like Ancient to me

[@tofoo1]

@dumbdivise very true

[@jnudo1337]

No not at all lol

[@starteck11]

someone replied it reminds them of Ancient. After playing CS2 on Ancient. I agree it is more Ancient than Anubis. The underground part of Anubis isnt the same compared to how the mid plays with Breeze and Ancient. Both have a top mid where you have to peak at T to see top mid and having 2 angles you can come from. For breeze thats double doors from A site while, Ancient has the B path by cave and the T spawn corner. Meanwhile both have the tunnel connecting to a cite into mid

[@Michi880088]

A site is basically just fractured, mid is just breeze

[@blu837]

yea coming from cs 2-1-2 the most comfortable thing to see in a map playing it

[@SnoopSinghs]

5:40 that door in the middle can be broken I think

[@Eminemhimself]

cypher is hella cool in this map

[@CMald]

THE BREACH BUFF F*** YEAH BEEN WAITING FOR THAT EXACT CHANGE

[@whytry4682]

needs more nerfs

[@jostme12]

I saw the halls walls are supposed to be breakable, not sure if its bugged or just takes too many bullets, or they reverted that idea when he shot it.

[@apaarchadha3903]

The layout is completely like ancient

[@nuzzky]

What I feel is that Sunset is the most beautiful & difficult map in the valorant

[@angelbertdelfin5658]

This Breeze changes is so much T-sided they make the map like the other maps which is mostly close/mid range fights which is good for others but the give up the retake aspects because if you want to retake faster from B to A the shortest way is mid and clearing mid is such a pain in the ass to clear now by your self because so many angles to clear and it takes so much time,the moment you get to the Site its always 2v5 or 2v4 retake and you cant flank in A site much faster except you are holding mid doors which is disadvantage for CT again.

[@daairox8394]

9:48 somebody tell him about the frenzy, vandal and phantom nerf

[@hruaisangachhangte3173]

How did they nerf

[@timzy4395]

I fully agree with the phasing out abilities. Already made a few changes to run and gun and for sure they'll do so in the future + nerf easy weapons like the judge etc. Especially with CS2 on the horizon, slowly phasing out the abilities would make this game even more enjoyable and not like an overwatch nightmare

[@Chixuan228]

Sunset = Mirage + Train 😎

[@nickel4549]

This map makes takes me back to Cache

[@ducminhnguyen5232]

this map reminds me of CS Italy for some reason, especially mid

[@dread6399]

Layout wise it looked a lot like ancient

[@togomy6975]

Breeze rework just closed up very open areas and to big of areas on the map like mid and b site and cave was a weird double angle to hold from shop and cave

[@alexandermason3845]

Halls on Breeze is literally just for ego peaking now.

[@alanchen9538]

I happy there’s no teleport

[@francisfoucault-bouchard129]

retaking A will be painful

[@BraveLilToasty]

He should really upload his Grounded vids those were one of his greatest streams.

[@jordanlimantara1814]

Hard to believe they saw the old stinger, bucky, ares and thought... I don't see anything wrong with this!

[@brakenn2862]

Layout feels a bit like dust2

[@adolfoalaniz1517]

ay shourd whats that crossair

[@risheeeesh512]

CS2 coming up on valorant like the shark from jaws…

[@EpicElf]

is sunset the new map layed out exactly like cache from cs go?

[@Shznzu]

Crosshair code please.

[@jed9902]

Would you rather have a 4th regular ability and no ults???

[@NIKHILRANA-ei6so]

7:44 Oh u shouldnt have said that💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@juliusbrynjestal2084]

Yooo Shroud whats ur thoughts on cycle frontier shutting down for good?

[@ezzedineoz5452]

why is it empty, where are the props

[@rizkysaputra5892]

9:37 🤣🤣

[@smashguys9725]

Why is the whole map composed of 3 boxes 1 mid 1 A and 1 B

[@hugojj101]

Hot takes, great takes, nice, thanks to the shrouder for the val news and ideas.

[@TehCoza]

This is the best map in the game for sure

[@kamdenlawson2772]

Reminds me of Cache

[@requiem418]

The game is just a VFX gallore and util and ult dumping which last forever, it has become like OW.

[@bbzbabus]

tryin it 2 times, playin on def a solo is goint to be a nightmare againts rush setup, defenitely att sided

[@harambetoodles717]

Can u OMEN tp through hall?

[@KKamm]

I kinda wish they would’ve made it a more challenging game before. I completely stopped playing Valorant to go back to CS bc I just didn’t enjoy RNG spray patterns, util spam, util used to get free kills rather than set you up for an advantage, and you automatically get so much util for free info without risking anything. It’s nice to see them finally nerfing it to bring the game back towards the fundamentals, but with CS2 coming it’s just tough for me to justify putting a lot of time into Val again

[@chan_for]

Valorant always condition people to try the new agents by making them broken at first and later bringing major nerfs in early updates

[@krieher9259]

Its more like they bring the new Agent and there is a 50% chance he will be not played for 3/4 year until they rework him/her

[@alexisaceves3134]

Can definitely confirm when hes talking about b site defense tryna sneak past attackers into the corner, it definitely does not work and i got caught at almost the exact spot he said. Shit was annoying as hell

[@jiy0VT]

I’m glad Shroud thinks the Jett nerfs are good. Tired of all these Jett mains complaining saying these changes were bad. These nerfs were long overdue.

[@YashKakrecha]

Nerf neon running time bro... otherwise she would go to enemy Spawn in sunset

[@juvetafrolovaite]

Watch people go duelling immediately in the halls for funsies XD

[@triplespace007]

Hopefully they make counterstrafing viable

[@risheeeesh512]

What’s the point if you become static so quickly after releasing a/d

[@triplespace007]

@@risheeeesh512 adds skill diversity.

[@risheeeesh512]

@@triplespace007 also intensifies the feeling that valorant is trying to emulate CS gameplay. Let them stay separate, if you want a smooth movement system then just play CS.

[@r_j_t]

more challenging the game is, more is the fun

[@contra7631]

U mean the more sweaty any game is the more fun.Its literilly oposite.But I couldnt care much about valorant anyway, cause it is ur so called esports title.

[@NoVisionGuy]

@@contra7631 why are you here then

[@Daartii]

skill issue @@contra7631

[@contra7631]

@@NoVisionGuy just to see shroud after long time later

[@drugdesigns6717]

riot went out of map ideas

[@audition722]

crosshair code?

[@hoveryt5532]

Never been playing for 3years since married happy to be a fan again

[@mikaisen]

The point shroud made with Riot slowly nerfing abilities and making the game more competetive fits Riots style of development so much. They do the same thing with League when new champs get released, first their kits are overloaded af and then slowly they start taking away the "training wheels" by nerfing them or reworking champs completely

[@sldarwin5615]

Overwatch does the same as well, most of the new characters in that game immediately make the meta and basically force competitive teams to run them. Then they are slowly nerfed to a more appropriate level

[@JFriisN]

It makes sense from an economic perspective to do it with new champs, don't know if that applies to Valo as well.

[@drinibuzali1289]

Nah when they do that in league it means the champion failed, and I hope that's not the case with valorant and it was on purpose, although I doubt it since it should had been done a year ago so I don't know.

[@mikaisen]

@@drinibuzali1289 the champ failed? lmao look at all champs they did that with and tell me how they have failed? some of them are even used daily in competetive play like Jhin, Pyke, Aatrox, KaiSa. Its just how the balancing team for League works. They release op champ to get people accustomed to the new mechanics and little by little they nerf them. Even in Valo you see examples of that same philosophy with Jett for example.

[@drinibuzali1289]

@@mikaisen Yeah you're talking about champions on release and I'm addressing you about that. These are your words "They do the same thing with League when new champs get released, first their kits are overloaded af and then slowly they start taking away the "training wheels" by nerfing them or reworking champs completely". I'm not even gonna talk about your examples as they are irrelevant to the topic. Anyway the point is that if they rework close to release it means the kit is unhealthy and it failed the way it was released that's why they change it on the first place. I'm not talking about small buffs but changing numbers every patch or changing parts of their kit. I've quitted playing so I'm not on par with the patch notes but I want to remind you zeri, yummi were the most recent at the top of my head and let's not forget about ryze or azir.

[@IrukaShinkai]

Valorant made Ancient, looks dope!

[@mamenggaluh8897]

Now that you said it, I think it is kind of similar to Ancient, Inspired maybe? With some twists for Abilities here and there

[@liquidusog422]

hated breeze hate it still

[@HungPham-mh2gl]

I really like your crosshair, may I have your crosshair's code

[@Kannanfromvrindavan]

i tried and get caought exactle like he explained lol

[@nutskok5394]

The editor really likes Pepe the frog huh

[@shugkane4663]

Why does a site look like a site on cache?

[@odding3472]

man i do not like the breeze changes, i liked the map how it was before :(

[@ankitchauhancr7]

I think they made a mistake making ults worth 9 points. That's just so un-Valorant

[@azizpasha2110]

This MAP is a Puzzle 😅

[@MisterBolticus]

that site is a shittier version of A on overpass lmao

[@1honeybun]

i just hope shroud is right at the end

[@Raspberry30]

b>a

[@TheMaximusMaxima]

facts from the legend himself

[@s7Li_is_Live]

What game?

[@MisterBolticus]

what iin the everloving fuck did they do to breeze

[@ZillFaezrul]

The new map so great

[@Sa1yajiN]

Gives me a CSGO map vibes

[@anonymouslogjam9323]

is it me or is it actually feels like a mix of all maps & bit inspired by mirage from CS:-GO?

[@ZdenekMicke69]

ancient

[@FreshAirThe]

well this is my queue to get back to cs.....see yall never ig

[@kenshi4296]

Same i like 2 1 2 maps some of the maps are kinda cringe, This map does have odd almost weird low effort texturing in a way like hte texture itself looks HQ but the style of it looks too cartoony and 90's esk old, Like om watching 1.0 mirage of CSGO. I do like the breeze changes though, Maybe not in a complete way i imagined. But allot less sneaky BS happening, In competitive my teammates like to not cover open spots on the map like a default, And then we get flanked and die, This kinda solves that. They should give the T's Somewhat of a advantage by making the mid boxes from T to mid ramps instead, That way it's not a fight yould always have to risk with the junping ETC

[@sirdabzmcgee]

Valo like R6 like OW once you get into a hero/operator system shooter then you kinda are beat. Idk I just dislike it minus OW I think in OW in works fine but, for games like R6 or Valo idk why you need abilities

[@atanudutta1810]

Can anyone provide me Shroud crosshair please

[@Re_Panda]

The number of angles we need to clear are too many 🥲🥲

[@sozkev9762]

which is good for the game, it helps low level aimmer win duals by their positioning and game sense, less angle =good aimmer will win, which is good for the aimmers but bad for the game health. nobody wants to play 1v1 aim map.

[@lampshade6579]

Abilities are not the issue in competitive games. It's because the game industry has a god awful approach to ability design. Ability shooters are still very new, as in there has been like 3 games, people agree are at least good, and every other one has been a cheap cash grab. This a very unique time with games, where you can't judge the quality of an idea, over the quantity of the idea being implemented into games. Before when shooters were first starting, we were in a golden age of online multiplayer, where we'd quickly see any new discoveries of good fps mechanics, be implemented in many different ways, on many different games. But in this modern age, there is no actual improving or adjustment. Every game studio only does what is already shown to sell game copies, so abilities are always half hazardly slapped into the game, with very little forethought. And they aren't given enough time, to actually properly adjust them, since devs are always working on a new map or a new character. There is no reason why an fps game can't have abilities and be balanced at the same time.

[@almughni90]

for some reason the map feels like dedust2

[@greenwaysmi]

what a stud

[@zapoato]

cs2 gonna make valorant be css with girls and aliens lmao

[@Mori_mee]

sites are boring asf

[@sadamatmaja6463]

So on breeze if we want to attack a side we must go to the 1 door or to the mid door, thats so risky. And if we want to rotate to a from b that would have going risky because jett can streamsnipe u from that blocked street, what a shit map. Breeze is so good in the back then but riot make it so bad, i think this is the worst map changes that riot did.

[@triplespace007]

The only play I do on breeze is run mid to a door. It's like a 70/30 if someone is actually holding it.

[@sugarwraith888]

Fun fact sunset is the first map without a quirk that makes it unique

[@kreizeeboi]

so much rat spots ughh

[@TheDan2017]

Dont think Val last 10 years

[@OmnipotentZORG]

Damn valorant maps are just really ugly even when compared to old source 1 csgo maps, let alone the cs2 ones

[@xcaliber4141]

Speak for urself

[@contra7631]

True they are.I think its specially because they are made in unreal engine and has a cartoony artstyle.I dont know why most ureal engine games have that bland looking designs in their artstyle and thats why their its looks so bland, less sharp and ugly.

[@OmnipotentZORG]

@@contra7631 Unreal engine is known for some of the most realistic tech demos though. Val is just cartoony in nature

[@OmnipotentZORG]

@@xcaliber4141 I am, and they are ugly