SHTF Is Not Combat

I'm told not to compare SHTF to combat scenarios. What do you think?
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[@TomRolfson]

So many variables - prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Nobody ever came from a fight wishing they had less ammo.

[@STOKERMATIC]

Indeed.

[@Industrialitis]

prepare for the most likely and have some back up plan for number 2 and maybe 3. Dont forget hygiene and water and shelter. dont run to the woods just to die there. turn your home into your castle and your neighbors into your teammates.

[@TheForgeUniversity]

True. As long as it doesn’t go so far where it’s affecting your focus or financial stability on current, non shtf things like your profession, health and your family.

[@CR67]

When help isn't coming, how many will die from dehydration. How many will die from a scratch that got infected and spread. How many will die from exposure to the elements. In an EOTWAWKI situation, survival isn't going to be determined by how much ammo I can carry.

[@BoogerBranchTV]

Former T1O. I’ve never commented on any video before because I usually just laugh at a lot of this stuff. You are 100% correct. The g-tube community is filled with guys, some of whom I know, who are teaching things based upon operational situations that just won’t happen in a SHTF scenario. You’re not going to be inserting via vehicle let alone helicopter on kill runs focused on taking out or capturing specific targets as we used to do where you don’t need more than 3-4 mags because speed and time were the thing. You will not have a QRF, air support, or logistical support the way we had it overseas. If you’re lucky you might have someone in your group with a big backpack who can hump it. Nylon gear manufacturers are making -a lot- of money pushing these slick systems that are not relevant to any kind of civilian or SHTF scenario. They are getting more expensive and using less material (getting more micro) and turning bigger profits. Guys are pimping this stuff out because it’s familiar to them and they are getting paid/making a living doing it. In a -real- SHTF scenario roads will be clogged with traffic or abandoned vehicles, people will be desperate and very bad things are going to happen. Vehicle patrols outside of your own property or area will be pointless unless you’re using something with off-road capability that is going to make a lot of noise and attract a lot of attention, making you a target. In an actual SHTF gunfight it’s largely going to be surprise or accidental contact. You’re not always going to get the drop on people or be kicking in doors at 3am to alarm clock bad guys. It won’t be target practice on steel silhouettes. People are going to take cover, fire from cover, and do everything they can, not to present you with that silhouette you’re used to shooting at. Adrenaline is going to be pumping, you may be in a bad position, they may have better cover or elevation than you, you may have a screaming buddy or family member who is injured/hit, you may be heavily outnumbered etc etc. you’re not going to be one shot one kill Bob in that situation, and the only thing that’s going to get you and the people you care about out of it is ammo and plenty of it. In that kind of situation you want a 300 round load-out, period. It may come down to who has more, and you may be in a running gunfight for a prolonged period of time as you try to break contact and get your family/people to safety. The current conflict in Ukraine is as close to a modern “western” civil war as we’ve ever seen and you’ll notice those guys are all wearing Alpha rigs, MK2 Chest rig clones, the big and chunky etc. maximizing ammo carry capacity as much as they possibly can and there is a good reason for that. These 3-4 mag gear set ups are very mission specific to the type of stuff we used to do in SO that are not going to be relevant or useful in a SHTF or civil war type situation. Especially when you may have to dump your stuff and haul butt away from something and now you’ve tossed that $400 micro rig your favorite g-tuber uses and it gone forever. Great video, you’re 100% correct.

[@Thekulprit92]

I agree with all of this, most people have some fascination about shtf, but more than likely it'll be whomever can stay home the longest will make it the longest

[@nickjenkins1663]

You have a long reply. And an ACCURATE reply. people don't want to deal with the reality of what a real world worst case scenario means. that two shot deringer you carry is not a get off me gun. it's a were out of ammo, and they have plenty gun. since frags aren't readily available to the civilian market.

[@EeZ3-808]

💥💥💯BINGO💯💥💥

[@Mrelindio42]

You are absolutely right! I am an OTH, Army infantry trained (1961 -1964) with no combat experience. Also spent 25 years in federal LE starting with Border Patrol and ending up retiring from DEA. I have kicked in a lot of doors and arrested usually armed drug dealers. Only two real serious arrest situations. Planning helps avoid problems! There are only a few YT gun channels that make sense to me. Stoker is one. Most of the others wouldn't last a minute if they ran into Infantry. I do like most of the gun reviews. PS: I was a 111/6 when discharged. Your comment is on the money!

[@jerryj3047]

yup

[@hatfieldmccoy0311]

SHTF I imagine will be like what I saw when Iraq fell. The gas stations shut down, the police force ceased to exist, water ceased to flow to houses, and it was weird it was like they all realized it at the same time. I saw a civilian Iraqi come walking out of a government building with cart and it had a door laying on top of the cart, a carpet rolled up and two office chairs and he was pushing this down the road smiling, then another person came running out arms full of stuff running from the building, then another then it was like everyone said let's go and they started setting thing on fire windows smashed buildings looted. Then at night things got worse, they started killing each other, we were not allowed to intervene and I remember one night this person running past the building we were in screaming and he kept running and then a couple minutes later you could hear a group of guys running and then about 5 minutes later you could hear AK fire. There was a semi truck that was driving around this town and we would see it all over the place. An old woman pointed it out to us one morning and we had to stop it to see what was going on. We opened the back door and the smell before we opened the doors we knew what we were going to find. The back of the truck had a pile of bodies and the front of the truck had tvs, ac units, furniture, stuff like that they were going around robbing and killing families and then taking the stuff to some building to sell. The jails were emptied, the mental health facilities were emptied and there were no rules their was no work, their money was useless, so they had nothing to loose and the sickos had nothing to fear. I saw it first hand.

[@MetaVizions]

Wow… makes me wonder who unlocked the jails and looney bins? If under physical key. Either way… horrifying. Stuff like that makes me so glad to be American, and makes me desperately want to make middle ground with Libtards. Stuff like that makes me want the 2nd Coming of Christ.

[@edwardsanchez3708]

I was there also out of Camp Speicher 88M mostly outside the wire. Then again in the surge of 08 Camp Falcon. Then again 2010 surge Afghanistan Kandahar. I'm still in. Just prep and hunker down as long as possible at home and hope no one notices you while the non prepared are fighting for food and resources. By the time you emerge hopefully there are way less people to deal with. With the advancements in solar you would be surprised how much you can do without power and running water.

[@dont.ripfuller6587]

At least we saved democracy over there and Hobby Lobby got some nice artifacts.

[@QiangQiangqiang-zt6nz]

Dam

[@WannabeStudent]

Dayun

[@bmc8982]

shtf = evasion unless you are dumb, your mindset shouldnt be looking for engagements but avoiding them

[@IndependentArmz]

Do you think you will able to avoid them? Are you alone? Like no family to defend and feed? Are you nomadic all the time? Or do you stay put? My guess is, if it's an actual situation like we are talking about here. Engagements will come to you.

[@bmc8982]

Depends on the situation. What I mean in general though is the primary mindset for a civilian should be defensive/evasive, combat should only occur when needed. Each situation is different, so "when needed" could range from a pre-emptive strike/ambush on a group of known raiders who have done truly evil things to other humans, to defending a community or building against unknown but hostile people. I think about rick grimes group in TWD. Generally they tried to defend and evade, and when they went full attack mode on a group it was usually well deserved and usually after diplomacy had failed. The groups in that show that get wiped out are the aggressive, fascist, combat first types.

[@jeffb5781]

​​@@bmc8982 Makes great sense. The old saying "how to win a gunfight? Don't be in one." I think the mindset for a civilian trying to protect family, friends, neighbors is avoid GF at all cost unless there is no choice.

[@frankr.6305]

People don't go looking for car accidents either but they happen often. It's not always you....the other person controls just as much.

[@michaelblack9253]

Exactly

[@artkingdesingz94]

When u said “shtf is a w*t dreams” i swear you hit the nail on the head. Most people are hoping something like that happens not even realizing we’ll croak over stuff the average person aint thinkin about. Things like bad hygiene, poor waste management, bugs bites or animal encounters, diseases, weather conditions etc. this aint call of duty or the walking dead. 6 months in 60-80 percent will be unalive…

[@dont.ripfuller6587]

Americans will croak when they can't get the pharmacuticals they depend on.

[@ct4649]

60-80? Those are rookie numbers gotta get those number up lol, im being funny. Great comment

[@richardschafer7858]

Never conduct a dismounted patrol, and never use cover fire? What if there is no fuel available? I'm just going to hide in the basement? No cover fire? That's not going to happen. People shoot much more accurately when there are no rounds coming back at them. We don't like that. I want them as inaccurate as possible or dealing with their own casualties. I'm just an old Airborne grunt. I'm simple that way.

[@THEDUDE-om3wx]

I agree. We will all see who has training and who doesn't in SHTF. Combat.

[@tasmanianduval1931]

I'm just a civi and I agree 100%

[@RedForman22]

There saying if your a single person, which 95% of the prepared community is, there is zero reason for you to patrol. Patrolling and small unit tactics were created for small units like a fire team and squad not a single person. That would be imt. You people are in fantasy land if you think it’s a good idea to patrol with one or two guys haha. You’ll get smoked by some dude with a deer rifle from his window..

[@saureco]

You can make fuel. Gasoline, kerosene, and diesel. Just saying.

[@dothedewinme]

@@saurecowhile true, most people don’t have a bootleg refinery in their backyard. And even if some people did gas we be in such high demand those people would likely become the local controller of strongmen and you’d be hard pressed to get your hands on even a gallon.

[@arsumbris6392]

SHTF will not have gas stations. SHTF will not have emergency services (hospitals, etc). How many days, weeks, months into SHTF will EVERYONE be dismounted 90% of the time BY NECESSITY, and how long into SHTF will (the same 90%) be risking encounters? "Can you risk what you risk" is a question with a constantly changing answer. Depending on a host of variables, the answer to those questions will change multiple times. The circumstances shaping your encounters will change constantly. That will be life until SHTF ends, supplies run out, or the population thins out. Anyone who thinks there's one answer, they know it, and they're prepared for it is wrong (to an extent). SHTF will be a an ongoing game of adaptation, so the best preparation will reflect flexibility and adaptation. Other people (and their circumstances) outnumber you; they will determine what you face, not you. It will suck. Leave yourself options where you can, minimize risk where you can, accept you don't know shit and get comfy swimming in it.

[@protectpersevere2030]

Real

[@oldluke7653]

The first step to wisdom is admitting you know nothing.

[@twiggybones7040]

SHTF is the British government expediting you for something you said on the internet… welcome to the modern world where our government will allow it to happens SHTF is right now with modern comforts to keep you from revolt.

[@hon.mr.ronburgundyiiiesq.2096]

Can't imagine a more dangerous place to be than in a car in a situation where bullets are likely to be exchanged. Can't hide, can't return fire easily, the only one getting surprised/ambushed is you.

[@thehighclimber3993]

Preach

[@ManInTheWoods76]

You don't get to choose to stay mounted. You don't get to choose to never be in a suppressive fire situation. Those dudes are armchair ready but field ignorant. Bless their hearts. Now... I will continue watching the video but I doubt my perspective will be changed on that issue.

[@tomstout4388]

I live on a farm 25 miles from the capital city of Ohio. We have food and fuel. My mindset is 2 PU trucks full of bad guys storming up the drive. Do what I can to hinder a fast avenue of approach wagons etc blocking the drive. Once identified it will be a full on ammo dump So the more mags the better. Hard to defend against those numbers. Hope I never have to find out

[@davefletch3063]

Pit traps and cable road use denial systems

[@skipper9400]

find friends....find friends with guns....LOTS of guns.....

[@russelldavis8415]

What you need is; a good wireless cctv system (day/night) around the edge of your property/or to the extent of the rage your system allows. Next ideally you should have metal shutters on all windows and doors (add value to property and good in winter to keep heat in) Next on the list is another energy source, a good generator to power the home/lights. etc Defending the home and occupants; Everyone has a respirator 1Xshotgun adult male. 1XAK/AR/MP5 (your choice) for the lady of the house and secondary weapon for the man, Everyone over 10yrs old should have a 9mm pistol (5.7 or 380 if that’s too powerful for them) 12 X CS gas grenades. 12XFlashbang grenades 12 x Smoke grenades. primary weapons need 1000rds per gun. pistols 500rds per gun. *You need a designated “safe” area to fight from (fire and movement) EVERYONE should be an experienced shooter able to hit a target centre mass at 30m and headshot at 10m (range day once a month) you need a good torch on each gun in the event of a night attack. sounds like fun lol.

[@RobnPhx1]

I have a chest rig "stuffed" with 30 round mags. I'm not looking for a fight. I'm not going on a recon patrol. But...if the fight comes to me, the last thing I want is to be scrambling for extra mags and ammo. If me and mine are lucky enough to survive whatever nasty crap comes our way, then I'll simply reload the empty mags and put them back in the rig. SHTF scenarios will be fluid and every situation will be uniquely different. Let me emphasize that I don't want any trouble. I only want to be left alone with my family and closest friends. I'm just a regular guy who, like any sane person, wants to survive. Good content, sir. Thank you.

[@Roger-ji4cg]

Nicely put...Same here

[@user-im6fy4qp6m]

dont you think the elites know that? what are your plans for biological attacks like the 2020 virus? poisoned water? slow decline into 1984 surveillance state and piecemeal reduction of liberties?

[@HappyHermitt]

Be careful. Feds are all over these channels. And probably run some too.

[@CoreyHall]

Damn, I am so happy I found your channel. I am so tired of all the wanna be SOF Gravy Seal Channels. Another person that understands we are all in different places, abilities, disabilities, and wants to help everyone possible is what it should always be about. New sub my friend. You are an inspiration.

[@deltabravo1811]

The fight is asymmetrical. Everybody should protect themselves, but not everybody is fit to fight. Stationary fighters don't last long in active conflict. In such circumstances, it may be better to position oneself in a clandestine role, in order to enable those who can actively fight and extend a secure perimeter.

[@yoloactual6975]

SHTF isn't combat. Getting into firefights in the first place is bad. That said, firefights have too many variables to make definitive decisions on from an arm chair. If you can break contact cleanly with no risk by not firing a shot, then do that obviously. If not, well maybe don't then? Like wtf are we even talking about anymore?

[@user-im6fy4qp6m]

i guess it depends on what your definition of SHTF is. what if SHTF is civil war? woudlnt that be combat by definition?

[@RedForman22]

@@user-im6fy4qp6m during the American civil war 12% of the entire population was actually fighting haha. You guys are delusional.

[@randybrown140]

SHIFT, Means Wife and Children to protect.

[@RosaParksWasWyt]

Mehh. Can get another wife and children later

[@maskedrebel9670]

@@RosaParksWasWyt you forgot the /s

[@RosaParksWasWyt]

@@maskedrebel9670 what you mean?

[@tasmanianduval1931]

Definitely something I've considered

[@davefletch3063]

@@RosaParksWasWyt there will be plenty to chose from

[@michaelmagerl6701]

Im rucking 2.5 miles at least 3 x a week with 100lbs. That 100 lbs is a patrol style back pack, chest rig with 18 loaded magazines, and a weight lifting bar to simulate carrying a rifle. I'm training for worst case scenario. Rucked Kennesaw Mountain here in GA this week. It was difficult. I cant imagine what that was like during the civil war.

[@cantor_dust]

How are your knees and back? What was your strategy for increasing your load?

[@pop401k]

I'm down on one knee praising your accomplishment!! I personally take the Viet Cong approach.

[@michaelmagerl6701]

Knees & back fine. I started rucking back when covid closers occurred. Started with 25lbs for a mile. Watched a lot of rucking content on KZbin. Your goal should be miles under 20 minutes. I gradually progressed up to 6 miles with 130lbs but I can only ruck once a week like that. It's too taxing on my 53 year old feet. I prefer less weight and rucking 2.5 -3 miles several times a week. Imagine carrying a case a water or a family member for miles. My youngest child weighs 60lbs. Prepping includes physical fitness.

[@frankzappa9853]

Only guy in here speaking sense, if you can't even walk a mile you have way bigger problems you gotta deal with then how many mags to carry. A lot of these guys think they are going to turn into Rambo when the power goes out it's rather hilarious

[@specag31]

Where you going?

[@TheOldGunsmith58]

more ammo , more training , more exercise ,more contingency plans

[@skipper9400]

here's one guy with a brain :)) .......OnWard.........

[@jfkst1]

Time is finite. Impossible to cover all contingencies.

[@fortesfortunajuvat6782]

@@jfkst1 No one is advocating attempting to cover all contingencies. Cover the worst ones and you should have what you need for anything less than that.

[@lordabhikingfisher8087]

+ some luck. All the training in the world may not help you if God is not with you.

[@brendencroup8310]

I’m in SW PA, SHTF for us starts with bad weather and car problems. That’s where my prepping started.

[@lanceu9134]

Wedge up against the Chestnut Ridge here

[@user-yv3pc5cs5g]

I’m in the NE you’re absolutely right.. that and being able to grow/harvest your own food

[@Bizarreparade]

@@brendencroup8310 Fayette County

[@frankr.6305]

Hello from SE PA

[@user-sb9fw6ui2i]

3 mags “might” be enough, if you have a company or battalion sized element backing you up. But, if it’s just 3-4 people backing you up, you might as well dig a hole and pull the dirt in on top of you, because you’re screwed.

[@MarilynStangl]

Even that company will require resupply! As long as you're only patrolling your known area, you should have small caches hidden at frequent intervals. Not large ones just enough to replace what you might normally carry and expend like ammo, water, food, medical supplies, etc. Being overloaded with make you slower, noisier and tired quicker. Especially if you're a single person patrolling, then you are potentially a moving target and few things attract the eyes of a watcher like movement! No one can do it alone and unless your group has a secured BOL that you all have moved into for mutual assistance then patrolling won't be a viable option! You need to accept that sooner or later your BOL will be found and you and yours are much better off inside your compound than out patrolling! So I feel that one in the mag well and three in the chest rig or LBE is enough! If you run into a prepared ambush, then you're dead! While a single person might just be out scouting, there will be as large a group for attacking as they can manage! A person or group in a prepared position (BOL) has a 3+ to 1 advantage and this may not be enough but you can only do what you and yours can do!

[@johnmorganjr769]

Basic combat load/ Iraq 210 rds.M 855. (6 web gear, one in weapon, condition = Red. 🌴

[@user-sb9fw6ui2i]

@@johnmorganjr769 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you’ve never been caught in a heavy fire fight before, have you???

[@snakeryanmaster]

I hope we dont have to go around kiilling each other in the end times and shtf, but , last thing I will do is go out looking for trouble, but rather , help out my fellow human, and maybe we can rebuild this mess, If were still around.

[@pop401k]

Amen brother... but you know just by being, you present a real threat to them. They will be looking for you. Be prepared.

[@GruntProof]

good stuff

[@csell5904]

If you want to understand what SHTF may look like, read selco’s stories, rawanda, South Africa. What do you need for your home? No one can tell you that but you. And that begins with an area study of what would be your area of operations during SHTF. Your area study will drive your needs, not KZbinrs.

[@user-xf3ft8kz6j]

Don't forget Bosnia.

[@driver3899]

Just read selcos stories, that was amazing read, learned a lot. Got any more recommendations like that, real info from people with real experience?

[@dereks8930]

For all of you out there thinking that the one well aimed shot is going to work for you I'll tell you this there's a difference between a marksman and a combat Marksman. Think I'm wrong go to the range run some windsprints and do 50 push-ups then pick up your rifle then see how accurate you are. Then imagine that with fear and somebody shooting back at you.... well placed shots indeed

[@YankeeWoodcraft]

People need to get their minds right... Everyday is "SHTF".

[@fortesfortunajuvat6782]

I'm not former anything "special", just regular infantry so I'm going to call BS on SHTF not being combat. Why? Because it very well can be combat, among many other things. Anytime you're in a shooting situation, that's combat. The idea that citizens aren't "operators", as true as that is, it is also equally true that regular infantry are not "operators", either. And, yet, I was always carrying double combat load when I was in the field, just like everyone in my platoon. For those that don't know, that meant 14 mags worth of ammo. Six in mag pouches with one in the well and seven more in my butt pack (along with a bunch of other stuff in there, mainly socks) with more than a few of us carrying 100 rd belts for the 60s, too. The idea of preparedness is - wait for it - preparedness. For what? For whatever. Why? How many people who are preppers have the support that regular military forces have? My guess would be zero. That means that if you're in a contested area (which well may include your home area) that you damn well better be able to at least put down enough fire to unass that particular location at that particular moment. 3 mags ain't gonna cut it. As for going black, it damn well has happened and the results aren't pretty. Not to mention that burning through basic load happens a helluva lot faster than most people think it might. The cure? Carry as much as you can handle. Cache resupplies of ammo throughout your AO. Talk to your friends and make sure that they do the same (if they're on your net). When SHTF, it's better to have more than you need than to need more than you have.

[@jefferycantrell5363]

I’m Prepping for A Defensive Line. I’m disabled with a failed spinal fusion with 14 surgeries and can’t run around like healthy people. So I’m dug in with escape routs but I’ll at least die giving everyone around me Suppressive Fire to out flank the enemy or to retreat if overrun. That’s my fate

[@Mike-nv8et]

We called it "spray and pray" baby..!

[@STOKERMATIC]

Proper squeal team technique!

[@TLT991]

It takes the military weeks to condition an individual's mind to run towards gunfire. Most civilians lack this mental framework, which mean they will listen to their inner voice (fight or flight) and run away. There is no reason to debate differences of opinion.

[@davefletch3063]

And even the military training is only successful on a small percentage. They only thing that keeps most in the fight is peer pressure

[@user-bo4zf9hu4o]

As a 15 year old kid, I recall being really pissed off...when I realized what was happening.

[@commonsgiant]

The enemy ALWAYS gets a vote. Should you TRY to avoid heads up pissing matches, yes, but sometimes shit happens....like the shit hitting the fan. Probably not part of most folks plans.

[@IdahoSewing]

Hiroo Onoda, the 30-year guerrilla who routinely fought citizens, military, and police who would come after him when he raided the Filippino locals on Lubang Island after WW2, had a bolt-action rifle. Most of the time, he was up against M-1 and M-2 carbines. He estimated that an average contact resulted in 200+ rounds being fired at him and his 1-3 friends. Onoda was not "mechanized" or "mounted." He made his own rice-straw sandals. He sewed his own clothes. And he hoofed it everywhere. He did not stay on a fire base. He patrolled constantly. What did it take to "break contact?" In many cases, 2 or 3 carefully-placed rounds from his 7.7mm Arisaka, and some eager footwork. That served him for "suppressive fire." He notes that it took a rifle bullet 1 second to go about 650 yards, and about 500 yards for the carbine. His "night vision" was seeing the muzzle blast, and watching the glow from the bullet. At least once, he turned sideways to get out of the way. He started out with a cache of 1800 rounds that he had gathered up from here and there during the US invasion. By careful economy, he had about half of it left when he obeyed written and verbal orders from his immediate commanders, and demobilized. Some years, he fired a mere half-dozen rounds, including killing a few cows for meat. But he still carried about 60 rounds daily. Rust was taking its toll, in spite of regularly wiping down the cartridges and sealing the glass bottles with stoppers and coconut grease or tallow. And for those who care, he prefered the 7.7mm over the 6.5mm. And yes, he had multiple M-1 and M-2 carbines fall into his hands. But ammo was harder to get, and he had more confidence in his proven platform with its whallop. Some folks might have truckloads of ammo and limitless budgets to fund their operations. Just keep in mind that for most of us, the war will be economic as much as anything. Our supply lines WILL be cut. Our salaries, pensions, Socialist Security Insurance, and Disability payments will be gone. The Big PX will be a thing of the past. High-volume firepower has its advantages, and there is a place for it. But we desperately need to think about economic sustainability. Obviously, do whatever we righteously can to stay alive to be constructive citizens for another day. To be our brother's keepers, providers, sustainers. To live free and die good. Taking a page from Che Guevara, the biggest fault of the M-1 Garand was that it burned too much ammo, tempting a guerrilla to stick around too long, make too much noise, and deplete the communal reserves. In order to save the lives of guerrillas (whether raiders or camp security), it was necessary to severely limit the amount of ammunition available to them. Can we have too much ammo? No. But it can be too much to carry; too much to be moving from place to place constantly. Too much to keep from rusting to death. We need to think ahead toward when we will be recharging our own primers, and making arrows. If we or our offspring live that long. Dumping 15 mags in 15 minutes may be effective, but as self-financing citizens we can't afford to do it very often. That is costing $600-$1500/hour. Or more. And eats up a 3-man-team's 30 year supply of ammo in 15 minutes. Onoda mustered out of service at age 52, if I recall. He could easily outwalk the Fillipino soldiers, and appeared young for his age. Those years of eating fruit, greens, and beef, without alcohol or tobacco, lots of fresh air, and constant exercise, were kind to him.

[@pauldillingham7056]

No disrespect to the Tier 1 guys, but I could care less about how they do hostage rescue/CQB, they have special considerations and support. In the SHTF situation I've imagined for myself from my mom's basement, the stuff I learned in brigade recon/sniper section and being a deer hunter is worth far more. Completely different mentality, trying to avoid contact, carrying water treatment stuff, eliminating 5S's on all your kit (sorry no cool patches). Personally, I'd avoid CQB at all costs, pie off doors and double tap corners like its battle drill 7a. IMO your primary should be a 20" AR set up to kill deer and other game with no batteries, forget that 10.3" 16" 14.5" debate, a deer is a much tougher mammal than me or anyone else but a halfway decent shot with the speed coming out of a 20" will make them drop, less than 16" and they probably walk without a direct CNS or heart shot. Getting fresh protein is worth a lot. I know it's harder to run a sweet BD6 but hey the Phantom Fury Marines made it work. The pessimist in me thinks we go out with a whimper not a bang but hey gotta be prepared if I'm wrong. Don't forget to buy beans with your BooLets, shoot iron sights it'll teach you a lot, peace out ✌

[@user-uv1pe4qh1k]

76 year old man escape and evade di di mau

[@johndean7816]

To the first point (dismounted patrol) it's stupid to think you'd never go discounted. To the 2nd point (suppressive fire) suppressive fire isn't just mag dumping; methodical, placed rounds will make them think longer before popping their head up.

[@davefletch3063]

It also pin points your location for the other swuad you didnt know was there

[@swiftsprinter1]

Having diversions helps in many ways too. Make them think there are more of you in different locations. War is as much psychology as it is physical acts

[@pop401k]

@@swiftsprinter1: How much psychology is there in a firefight when you've been ambushed on your patrol???

[@mcashler2678]

Heck even at a fast fire rate of 30 rounds a minute..You're done in 3 minutes with 3 mags. Worse case scenario if you're returning fire in shtf it's an ambush and you need to break contact or your team needs to pin them down long enough to clear the area. If you never do dismounted patrols how many signs of intrusion are you missing?

[@RedForman22]

@mcashler2678 what firefights do you people imagine yourself getting into in shtf. You guys are laughable and will be the first ones to be killed haha

[@jasonbailey9302]

I’m an old black boot ,Army Infantry, Harmony Church Gruntpa. Op Just Cause-Panama 89-90 and Op Desert Storm -Iraq-90-91. I’m conducting myself as such during SHTF. NEVER ENOUGH AMMO! Combat load is 1 in the gun and 6 on my person…and as much EXTRA as I can carry and function normally. You do you, I’ll do me. These boys have obviously run dry during a firefight, it sucks.

[@neptunestrident4364]

Even a day at the range should teach these guys that ammo flows like water. You think you only went through three mags only to realize you burned through six, and it’s just the first hour

[@ricksilver7398]

Everything is based on the circumstances and the mission at hand.

[@pop401k]

True enough... and that means you'll most likely be outnumbered, hence out-gunned, and getting ambushed because you are not on offense.

[@229dave46]

8 on the chest, 1 on the side and 1 in the mag well. 4 more in my assault pack makes me happy! :)

[@heathenamerican8149]

I'd have you on my patrol any day of the week. Having only 3 mags on a patrol is insane to me.

[@RosaParksWasWyt]

8 in my SSO smersh

[@KipKil1igan]

​@RosaParksWasWyt smersh kit is rly good and its good to see alice belt kit coming back too

[@flawless_Cowboy]

No main pack? 🤨

[@1cdmap]

Just inf '85-89 ,idk chest rig with mags just means you can't get your head low enough in the prone. I would never use a chest rig, too tacticool , not practical.

[@ManInTheWoods76]

I can clear this up for you real easy. Here it is: These Internet warriors are actually correct to say they only carry 4 mags total. Leave them alone. They are right. You see, the human frame can only carry XX number of pounds on foot. Ounces are pounds and pounds are pain. The extra weight of five or ten extra loaded mags is already allotted. They don't have the weight capacity to carry more because the weight is already taken by their lard asses. See? They are right and you are wrong. Four mags is their correct number.😂

[@nathanielmilam75]

Your going to hell for that!!! I driving the short bus ❤

[@richardhansen342]

It's the weight and realestate of their gear that limits their ammo choice. Me I don't need commo, beyond a cheap walkie, everyone will know it's Cluster F time when they hear the fireworks. I won't be far from home. The rest of what i'd carry is a trauma kit, some calories and water, an emergency blanket, 1 swap of undies/socks for playing hide and seek, to sustain myself until I make it back to the Fort or rally point.

[@swiftsprinter1]

Everything is relative

[@BlazeYourOwnPath]

Agreed Mr. Woods. On a similar note: Deceased obese people are harder to maneuver across so train accordingly. 😁🤘😎

[@KNIGHTJUMPS]

Sir, I'm big boned.

[@markrevels4234]

Stoke, great comments.I think so many folks get lost in the ideological process of SHTF is always about weapons , gun fights and warfare.. Well I’m not by any means a sme on anything .I’m just a Florida native and still live in Florida ,I grew up in a SHTF environment, we have flooding, hurricanes,tornadoes, lightning , fires..so being prepared has been ingrained in me since I was young . Back in the days we didn’t call it SHTF , we just did what we needed to do ,which was , put back extra food, keep candles , flashlights and extra batteries ,medicine and fuel around …. And yes I’m a veteran and also a 26 year 1st responder still in Florida.. People just need to be responsible and accountable for themselves and their families…at a minimum at least be able to stand on your own for 3-7 days , until power , water etc can get restored.but also be prepared to go long term if needed As they say Act as if “Nobody is coming to rescue you so be your own Rescuer “

[@drmiles7546]

finally a couple of grunts ( yes I am including Grunt proof Randall ) come out and finally say what needs to be said .... WE ARE NOT OPERATORS this is not Afghanistan or the congo ...or Bosnia ....thank you sir for sheding the light

[@GLEN-ys7qt]

70% of what the military offers / applies is completely irrelevant and useless for a civilian SHTF environment! The I'm ex SAS /SBS/FBI/Delta/SEAL/CIA Operator is the biggest Internet marketing / clickbait scam out there! Just stop listening to their garbage as it will mostly get you wiped out!

[@TheAngrySecurityGuardChannel]

I’ve been saying that for nearly two years now! Mostly aimed towards security guards that never been in service, law enforcement or anything. I’m the most disliked security guard on KZbin land. I like this guy!

[@johnfalk4200]

…“pop smoking di di mau!“ 😂 You are killing me dude

[@MiketheMeister]

2 points: 1) The opponent always gets a vote, and can do something totally unexpected due to inexperience, desperation, or sheer audacity. 2) Read Selco Begovic about the siege of Sarajevo.

[@irishroverinflorida5822]

Never, say never.

[@RoniiNN]

you just did

[@RosaParksWasWyt]

Never

[@davidmcneill5648]

Planning is good, but everything falls apart when the bullets start flying! Then you have the Fog of War!

[@fmyles3]

The SIMPLEST argument is --- NEVER SAY NEVER. Next question

[@Hammer-509]

1. The dismounted Patrol is what you will be doing 99% of the time, most of us don’t have up armored vehicles, and you will have to patrol your AO every single day, to keep it secure. 2. I was taught the one with the most ammo almost always wins, anything less then 6 rifle mags, and 3 pistol mags on your plate carrier is just plan ignorant, I run 6 & 3 on my plate carrier, and an additional 2 rifle mags on my battle belt, and 3 pistol mags, I also keep a minimum of 4 more rifle mags in my pack.

[@galenyoung7917]

To me SHTF would start in a defensive position but that can change as time and situations develop

[@fellowpatriot9162]

I agree. Ideally, you need enough ammo to get you through multiple fire fights. However, engaging and evading is up to you on the circumstances. 3000-4000 rounds would be my guess on what you need. I'm not a military guy, but being prepared is better than being unprepared. I say fight when you have to and evade when you can.

[@user-zi1sr1qr2p]

Marine Raider here. I packed 13 mags of 28 rounds always. 3 mags is Ok to train with. Not for going down range or for SHTF. More is always better.

[@rybaneightsix5085]

Rma ESRT plates, very light and thin at 4.9lb and 1/2" thick. Soft armor backers, and ferro 3ac soft armor for the cummerbund. Shaw placard with 4x556 insert and BFG triple placard on top of that. I think 7 on the chest is a good place to start.

[@SouthernStacker]

You are making a helluva lot of sense! I believe ive found a new channel to follow?👍

[@sandsock]

I guess I see your point. But I've got issues with city folks coming out to take my last chicken or cow or tomato, that I struggled to keep before. If this time comes and we see folks creeping around on my land. That I don't know, with carriers and 3 mags. It's going to be a bad day. I don't know where they want to be going, but they are not welcome here, creeping in my back yard to my back door. They need to reevaluate their thoughts about who and how they present themselves. Because plates and mags is hostile Intent. Because I may have 3 boxes and a backpack for support and a bolt barrel

[@stevesweeney5173]

SHTF means different things to different people. It depends on where you live. In a City Center, things will be very different than if you live in a Rural setting. Also if you have a strong, close community. For those of use who live a rural lifestyle, we probably won't feel SHTF as badly. Most of us grow and hunt our food to begin with. We live with low power usage. Fire heats our homes, electricity is already used sparingly. As for raiding parties trying to take what is ours, well, we know these woods.

[@justintaylor6710]

nope,nope,nope. if it gets that bad here,for whatever reason,i will carry no LESS than 8-10 accessible mags for rifle...plus the one inserted.and probobly another 6-8 in a pack.plus 4-6 for pistol. never been military,however,have several friends who have,and been in combat,and made it clear to me if you expect contact...you may not get cas or artillery support.go loaded for bear.ammo and water

[@philipdepalma4672]

IMHO the difference between soldiers in combat and SHTF is the soldiers have an extensive logistics train. This means you want to have as much stuff of all kind both on you and at your home/base as you can and use as little of it as possible to make it last. How you balance those two conflicting things and how you balance what you want with the limits of what you can carry on yourself/your car/your home and how you allocate the money you have to pay for what you want/need (soldiers don’t have to pay for their stuff) are the real issues.

[@Michael-my6jo]

I really enjoy your channel. I'm former USMC. I wish we have you back in the '90s. You're top notch. Thank you for your knowledge. We all appreciate it. Great is our God. ☦️☦️☦️

[@myeka1273]

Keep as much ammo as necessary, if you live in the city guard things, if you live in the suburbs barricade things, if you live anywhere else gun range things. Things can be anything you want to make sure the important things that you need are immediate things that are needed by you. High density=high ammunition costs, low density=tactical ammunition costs. Stay American my friends.

[@mortem-tyrannis]

I personally carry no less than 8 mags thats reachable, not counting whats in my pack.

[@proudbrownconservative]

Look, SHTF, is not combat in my opinion, but none of us know, some of us have been in combat, some have not. But being ready to meet whatever head on, is the best way. I would never ever take 3 magazines in any movement, I prefer 6, maybe even 8, JUST IN CASE. You never know, I wish I can say well aim shots, but when you have in coming some people freeze up, some act, some are just targets. And lastly, there is never enough ammunition

[@vernongandy9026]

I curious 🤔 Why does everyone think they will win every encounter during the melee?

[@STOKERMATIC]

Who plans on losing?

[@nocoolname32]

Cuz you’re not commenting if you lost.

[@vernongandy9026]

@@nocoolname32 Most ex tactical guys give great advice but rarely tell you to get out of reach. Escape and evasion to survive makes more sense when you are alone.

[@slapoutindixie7537]

@@nocoolname32😂😂😂

[@RayWolfe-h4q]

Stoke, I think you are right on! If you need to get out of a bad situation, you have to have suppressive fire! And if this happens, you need rounds! Dismounted, patrol, how are you not going to have to do it! Thank you for all that you do! You’re great!

[@dyoung06]

We used to carry 22 magazines, and we were restocked twice a week. Suppressive fire first, either attack second or call in arty. Civilian life better use different tactics. I agree with you, suppressive fire and get off of the target area.

[@driver3899]

If you are in a prolonged disaster scenario and in a gun fight vs a team of people you are doing it wrong If this happens multiple times... maybe re evaluate your decision making paradigm I know I know, the entire point of prepping is to be in cool gun fights with overly expensive gear on though, my bad

[@joshuacalig3144]

If you think you'll have a squad you are dreaming. You'll be alone, extremely lucky if you have one buddy with you. Check with your people they don't have your back right now. They won't be there when SHTF.

[@HemiOrange]

I plan to carry as many magazines as possible. If your patrolling, chances are your close to base, so why do you need to take a tent and sleeping bag's? Personally, a patrol to me means defending one's territory, so pack ammo like your going to need it. Maybe have well placed fall back caches if you can't carry? My pack has 16 mags on it. I'm a nothing guy, take it or leave it.

[@dodsonarmsco]

I am going to offer a different perspective. Improvised and expedient construction should be a main focus to provide protection and limit mobility for technicals, cars, and to lessen the effect of drones. Some threats are domestic. Others could be foreign fighters already here, which use IEDs, car bombs, incendiary devices, and chemical weapons. Most people should have 556 and 7.62 nato due to the absence of supporting fire. In many cases, you may have to use fire to prevent movement or provide long-range fire to break up forces around neighborhood structures. In many cases it may be much better to provide long range fire to prevent other homes from being overrun rather than closing to contact with large forces.

[@user-gn7zy5rc4l]

Straight up truth! You got it sir! 🫡🤝👍

[@alfredsutton4412]

Yep, your logic is right on the mark ... a well aimed shot, not suppressive fire. I carry 210 rounds of rifle ammo and another 120 rounds of pistol ammo in weapons and on the chest rig. If I even suspect I might be engaged in a fire fight or be stuck on patrol for more than a day, another 180 rounds of rifle ammo in magazines in the ruck. Yes it's heavy, but I'm too old to run anywhere, so I'll be the one staying behind to provide covering fire while the rest of my team escapes

[@RodCornholio]

Whatever works. That's the only rule. Try to find real life examples of violent encounters in SHTF scenarios. That's evidence you can start with. Some things will apply, but some probably won't. History doesn't repeat, it rhymes. Your adversary won't be bound by Geneva Convention rules or whatever. So, get your head out of the conventional box and start thinking your adversary's tactics will be more like cartel sicarios African warlords, and gangsters in ruthless brutality. Consider yourself lucky if you face a force with professional military training, they might spare your daughter from being used as 3 holes. Don't "patrol" with anything less than the military would use. Doesn't matter if they are a Navy SEAL platoon, any of those men might not return home to their family. And they will need to be taken care of and convinced that their man didn't die for nothing. Anyone can be ambushed by a few redneck hunters who hit, run, and disappear. That patrol's mission/purpose better be for a very good reason, otherwise remaining in a defensive position is a much more efficient use of armed defenders. Just look up the force-on-force ratios over history. Better have some way to figure out the disposition of OTHER "patrols" you may encounter...friendly, neutral, evil? They're going to be making the same judgement about your patrol. Two expensive pro tips: night vision and/or thermal. Drones.

[@Ishnala717]

Thing is, if you have to fire 6 plus mags worth of ammo at someone, that means they are probably firing 6 plus mags of ammo at you. Never say never about the kinds of conflicts you can get into but in SHTF as we think of it and we are not cherry picking situations, I say avoid fire fights as best as you can and for sure, potracted fire fights. Getting wounded is almost as bad as being dead.

[@reubenmolsee7233]

Overkill never fails. I would rather have and not need than need and not have. I run 8+1 mags of .308 in my chest rig. It is heavy and tiresome. I am continuing to work on my physical fitness.

[@skipper9400]

someth9ng else for ya'll to mull over.... The two MAIN Problems are Water, and Ammo re-supply... watcha gonna do for water when it quits coming outta the pipe ? you just ran outta ammo....where ya gonna get more ? ...can you reload? ... got enuff powder-bullets-Primers ? got TIME to reload ? ........OnWard.......

[@IndependentArmz]

I'm thankful I haven't every owned a game system since I was at home in still in middle school. Idk why so many grown men play games so much. Tons of the guys I work with play games all evening when they get home after work. It is amazing. Thanks for sharing what you know to help. For the record, the last game system when I played games was a super Nintendo

[@STOKERMATIC]

I liked pitfall.

[@juliomaldonado4028]

You don't understand why dudes play video games when they get home? They can't relax? Look, I kinda get what you're saying, if video games are their entire world. Then that's a issue. I make time for other pressing matters, but if there's down time and nada to do. Video games it is. You kinda sound silly Armz. Just a little. But you do you.

[@IndependentArmz]

@@juliomaldonado4028 Mmmhmmm

[@segrientboar5954]

@@juliomaldonado4028 Whilst I agree, down time is your own, it has a place. I am an Australian straight-leg Infantry veteran, and even got some ideas from using games like Close Combat (A Platoon-Company strategy game) to try out tactics different to what was taught. Tried them out in games then on training exercises. My superiors asked where I was getting all the cool ideas from and I was quite embarrassed to tell them. They saw it like I did thankfully. BUT, they can alter people's perception of reality. I have had a dweeb who knew my background and deployment history threaten (Over the telephone I admit) to kick my arse and do all sorts of terrible things to me and my family, all based on his experiences and achievements, wait for it, playing Call of Duty...

[@appleiphone69]

So many gravy seals buying all this gear getting worked up that they can be some Rambo hero. Meanwhile they don’t have 6 months of savings to survive a job loss or save for retirement.

[@jfkst1]

That's because doomsday scenario planning is very expensive if attempting to have a wide variety of options.

[@davefletch3063]

That’s because money will be valueless…probably by the end of the year. There is no retirement. Unless you have a self sustaining homestead that is defendable, you are screwed

[@corybrown8196]

​@@davefletch3063 to add to that, even if there ceases to be wars all over the world, and nobody ever goes hungry ever---- retirement is STILL a fantasy. Our money is being printed at a rate that it's made any retirement, social security or 401k completely worthless already. now, add in the fact we're in the beginnings of world war. retirement is gone. spend that shit while you got it and while it still buys something tangible!

[@jonsingleton203]

Saving for retirement is the dumbest thing the working class does . Inflation is way ahead of your savings if your not investing in passive income you could save your whole life for a single years income . No such thing as retirement anymore only a rime when ypu don't have to work for your income .

[@appleiphone69]

@@jonsingleton203 what I meant by saving was putting money in investments that beat inflation rate and then some.

[@michaelholt8590]

The same people telling you 3 mags is enough, wouldn't waste their time going to the range with only 3 mags of ammo. My grandfather was a Korean war veteran. I had two uncles in Vietnam. I had an older cousin in Desert Storm and my little brother was in Iraq. Of all the war stories I have heard from these veterans. The sentence "We fucked up by bringing too much ammo." has never been spoken.

[@hon.mr.ronburgundyiiiesq.2096]

I can't imagine a worse or scarier place to be in a shtf type scenario than in a car, or any vehicle that's not a tank. Even a tank I would question the sanity of. You can't hide, you can't return fire very effectively, you can't sneak up on anything, and you can be disabled too easily. The only vehicle I'm counting on is my my chevrolegs.

[@bearhead9633]

I wonder if it ever happens and two KZbin patrols run into each other, what happens? They just start blasting away at each other? Or they try and help one another?

[@DerHossMeister]

My goal would be to avoid contact at all costs, but when it's time to go loud, you better be ready to lay it down! As others have already mentioned, way too many variables to account for. But if it's SHTF and you've got your INCH bag on (your a mobile refugee)....I don't want anything to do with anyone!

[@Alden99669]

Breaking contact with smoke is easier than without!

[@frankmorris4790]

Greetings from the border country, where quail hunting has become a three gun event. Chores require sidearms, and there are others stuck away and at the ready.Have we had any trouble,? No. but, a couple three clench worthy almosts. I'm in the bush and alone, no worries, I'm also, old. Just an old guy that truly wishes to be left alone....

[@myrddrral]

In actual firefights, ammo goes VERY quickly. Fire volume DOES trump technique. No matter how good a fighter you are, if you can't stick your head out because of suppression, you're in trouble.

[@user-fq5yi1jn5r]

Sir. Good day. I prefer shotguns. I can sweep the back yard in at least 5 rounds of 0 or00. I can do better with a drum magazine. Saiga is an old video console I used to play.

[@terryheathco5109]

I'm not sure why people would say 3 mags but when I was deployed we carried 10 mags and one in the rifle. In a fire fight rounds go fast really fast.

[@thehebrewyisraeliteinstitu1868]

If you are in California and a lawful citizen and didn’t participate in Freedom Week, holding 3 magazines is only 30 Rounds.

[@dothedewinme]

while this is true, its fairly easy to turn a 10 rounder into a 30 rounder. I of course would never break the laws of the great state of California.

[@skipper9400]

your FIRST Priority is to get the F outta commieformia

[@stephenwest798]

It's all hypothetical and unpredictable as to what will go down until the SHTF and even then, it will depend on your location and the circumstances which will change daily depending on what happens elsewhere. And if the SHTF most likely you will not be able to buy supplies of any type so if you are not well stocked you will be up shit creek without a paddle. Those of you lucky enough to live in an area with vast amounts of national forest land should already have cashes of supplies buried in numerous locations with nearby water supplies. In a SHTF situation you can never have enough of anything let alone ammo or at least that's my opinion.

[@joash480]

sight alignment is old school and impractical, with todays development of reddots even amazon ones can be combat capable. I tried training myself with sight alignment when doing airsoft games and I struggled miserably when in low light areas as all my enemies were using reddots which they occasionally bang around and still work.

[@akforge]

I use to have access to this 20+ year Veteran 18D. He had a saying that went something like this “No one ever returned from a firefight and said gee I wish I didn’t have all that extra ammo with me”. Meaning you don’t know what you will encounter and when those ODA’s are deep in injun country no one is coming to help. In a CONUS TEOTWAWKI scenario NO ONE is coming to help you. You are not going to have a QRF on standby or CAS. If you and yours run out of freedom seeds your toast.

[@yoloactual6975]

You're* Knowing basic English usually helps in lending credibility

[@akforge]

@@yoloactual6975 it’s called autocorrect 💩for brains.

[@slapoutindixie7537]

@yoloactual……Using the slang actually makes him more credible to me …. I know he is an average American joe 😉

[@akforge]

@@slapoutindixie7537 yup, I’m an average American Joe never pretending I was something I’m not unlike the YouRube operators in the comments. 🇺🇸👍🏻

[@yoloactual6975]

@@slapoutindixie7537 misspelling is not slang numb nuts

[@PistoleroJesse]

I am a civilian. My chest rig holds 7 mags. My plate carrier holds 7 mags. My belt holds 3 mags. I don't expect to wear all 3 at the same time. At most two, but at least the plate carrier or the chest rig. Spare ammo goes in the pack. Still trying to figure out if that's loaded mags or stripper clips. Sounds like stripper clips are a better idea. Also, never use absolutes when making proclamations 😅

[@yoloactual6975]

Realistically once you've patrolled however many dozens of times you'll find that the belt was plenty, and significantly more comfortable and less cumbersome. IF you don't plan to wear armor in the event that you might be shot at, then why bother with anything that isn't a "fight your way back to your shit" kit? You gunna go full rambo on property patrol with your chest rig in tree lines where ranges are sub 100m anyway? Thats wild brother. I wouldn't want to be getting shot at outside my house at those ranges with no armor to potentially take that hit if I wanted to fight instead of run my happy little butt all the way home.

[@richardhansen342]

Lol I've got one SHTF is absolutely gonna suck for the survivors.

[@waterboy239]

Water , don't forget water 💦

[@georgebradshaw474]

Forget stripper clips; carry full mags, always!

[@larrywiley1804]

I concur with Stoker.

[@SkywalkerPMs]

I will do whatever is necessary to keep my family safe, healthy, and fed. End of story.

[@DamianBloodstone]

I'm no military person, but I was instructed by a few. It isn't SHTF yet, and I'm still carrying 120 seeds on person. Why? Because I can. Suppressive fire might save me or someone else and one to three mags may not be enough. First rule taught to me was return fire while moving to hard cover, if any. Second rule was never go empty if possible. I also carry a complete reload in my vehicle of all mags on person if going outside my comfort zone. The enemy might not be "operators" but most gangs are not either and are deadly. You can't prepare for anything, in reality. The words are overwatch, hard cover, suppression, distraction, and exit points in order to survive in any conflict, or so I was taught. Take Care and Stay Safe.

[@Kq4hcuDan]

Im not military, i have worked convoys and executive protection as a dumb civilian. When i worked i carried as much i can sneak as much i can get even hide spare mags in a duffel bag in and out of suburbans and pickup trucks. Everyone is gonna cry and say well cag operator this and that, ehhh bleep that im gonna carry as much as i can carry in ny area.

[@TCurry-lf4bd]

Shtf is survival not combat 100 percent agree, protect your family and friends and keep out of fight if you can.

[@DDGVET4]

Anyone ever heard of the "Australian Crawl or Peel"? This was our training for breaking contact in the 80's. We were still training for jungle warfare in those days which is still good for woodland terrain.

[@Mark-et8vh]

Well said. I think the term means different things to different people, in different situations. My ‘friends’ are a 2.5 hour drive away. I’m at my sisters recovering from cancer and will be for the foreseeable future. I’m just getting her going on things like ‘food and energy security’. For me, my AO is a 360 degree arc. There will be no ‘Johnny comes marching home again, hurrah hurrah. Those days are past. I do however, agree with you on load outs. Some of these HSLD Reddit ninjas, are laughable. Thanks for an injection of honesty.

[@americanvindictashow]

Former Marine Infantry here. Just wanted to comment on the Civilians opinions on SHTF and not being in combat. So the opinion is you won’t be conducting “dismounted patrols”. “No foot patrols”: you will be conducting foot patrols. Have you ever woken up in the middle of the night and checked on the “noise” outside? Walked around the yard? Walked around the house? Congratulations you conducted a foot patrol. You will now be doing the same thing for your community and property. Or don’t, see how well that works for you. “No suppressive fire”: in a fire fight, which is actually pretty common even amongst homeowners and criminals, remember this. “Fire without movement is stupid and movement without fire is suicide”. Or you can always fuck around and find out. Speed, violence, and valor wins the day gents. “I’ll see you on the beach”

[@348MP]

This has to be the best video you have done to date. Informative, innovative, educational and understandable. BIG thank you. Lay down that grazing fire, pop smoke and evac.

[@todd5792]

🐸🏃🏻‍♂️🐸🏃🏻‍♂️, you can not enough ammo

[@gregorydigiovanni1466]

Number one.... Stay fit. ok so ,5 of my 40 round pmags on the light rig and a standard 30 in the blaster for mobility, ( 20 lbs, hack it or work on hackin it) -backups in the car 10-12 standard mags is a luxury...Have to lay down fire, and it does NOT have to be that accurate in some situations so enemy cannot lay effective fire. Incoming fire close makes even hard men do some thinking twice. I learned that in a few dusty places and it wasnt the internet! The more the merrier in an Aussie retreat, but thats a luxury. We cannot think we can dictate if we are mounted or dismounted. Train for both and visualize with your "friendlies" more. Collaborate, innovate, and improvise. Know thy terrain! Stay stoked.

[@tomtravis3077]

My SHTF strategy? Beyond never leaving the house unprepared? Run. Hide. Cover and concealment. Running and the ability to run will be the difference whether you brought 3 or 11 magazines with you. If you survived SHTF, you are an operator now. To quote Gibbon regarding the disorder of the 9th century AD(Dark Ages) 'Where every peasant became a soldier' Cardio and strength. Or you won't even be able to shoulder a plate carrier and assault pack for more than an hour. Most of this country is an absolute non factor in SHTF. You will find their corpulent masses curled up on the floor having serious sugar and sportsball withdrawal. The inner cities are already death camps. Get stuck in a city, and you need to be physically prepared to walk out. 30 miles or more. 70% of the American population is not prepared for a walk like that. To be a refugee. The highways will be clogged shut. There will not be 'mounted' for long if there is a scenario that affects global supply chains for more than 3 days. I advise anyone that your physical health and ability are the best tools you can have for SHTF. Someone in good shape isn't going to be bothered by carrying 11 mags.

[@A9S15J5E9M806]

Thank you for saying what others wont . I'm a civi I train with 14-16 mags in my rig all loaded plus an extra 250 rnds in the pack for back up . Plates are to much extra weight.

[@christianarrington6492]

Yeah, there are 240 rnds on my chest rig, and there is another 330rnds in my claymore satchel with my party poppers. Even my get home bag has a pdw and 250 rnds of 9mm just to make sure no rioters or whatever could keep me from getting home. I have to say i wemt back to riding a motorcycle cycle to travel for work to improve my mobility and evasion as well, which when you're not afraid to take options that are not roads can come in handy as well.

[@Alienshark]

Wish we had basements down here in FL

[@andrewmoore7586]

We live in southern GA, so I know what you mean!! Root Cellar.. 🇺🇸