Shut up about the Challenger 2

"I'll do a shorter video, one that'll only take me about a week to throw together"
-Lazerpig on the 3rd of March before writing a 45-page script, then having to re-write half of it twice.
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Before the T-14 Dramarta rolled onto the scene, the most controversial tank in the modern military enthusiast's meme catalog was the Challenger 2.
Much slated for being expensive, over-weight, with a frontal plate so weak it could be penetrated by cannons from World War Two, and a gun that couldn't compete with modern armor.
It was seen as a tank that was, impressive for its time in theory, but built by a cash-strapped former world power and thus had fallen far below the standard, an upgrade, to an upgrade, to an upgrade that no one in the British army had ever wanted to begin with and only tolerated out of a sense of national pride.
But is any of that true?
Long-term fans of my channel can probably guess the answer.
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Noted errors:
The "Streetfighter" upgrade doesn't exist, it was a made-up name in a report by Capt Tom Quant and basically involved painting the tank in a more snazzy camouflage.
The actual upgrade package is called TES (Theatre Entry Standard) and includes other upgrades like a remote gun on the turret roof and an absolute bollock-load of ERA.
The ammunition is three-piece, not two-piece.
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References/Sources:
Jerome Starkey - The Sun Newspaper: www.thesun.co.uk/news/2650981...
Nial Edworthy - Main Battle Tank: www.amazon.co.uk/Main-Battle-...
Stuart Crawford - Tank Commander: From the Cold War to the Gulf and Beyond: www.amazon.co.uk/Tank-Command...
@UNITED24media - About British Challenger 2 Tank in action 🇺🇦 & First Challenger 2 destroyed on frontline 🇺🇦: • About British Challeng...
Covert Cabal - How Many Artillery Does Russia Have - Feb 2024 Storage Bases: • How Many Artillery Doe...
RUSI - Russian Military Objectives and Capacity in Ukraine Through 2024: www.rusi.org/explore-our-rese....
RUSI - The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine: www.rusi.org/explore-our-rese...
Sam Skove - Defense One: www.defenseone.com/threats/20...
KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov's warning to America (1984): • KGB defector Yuri Bezm...
Ben Wallace - Defence in a competitive age: assets.publishing.service.gov...
Select Committee on Intelligence - United States Senate: www.intelligence.senate.gov/s...
The Telegraph - Boris Berezovsky: Vladimir Putin himself could have written this judgement: • Boris Berezovsky: Vlad...
BBC - Russian network that 'paid European politicians' busted, authorities claim: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...
Catherine Belton - Putin's People: www.amazon.co.uk/Putins-Peopl...
The Tank Museum - Tank Chats #92 The Challenger 2: • Tank Chats #92 | Chall...

[@ejnorth8040]

How to tell if Tank Good -Troops like it -Logistics like it -Enemies hate it -Reformers hates it

[@Lightman0359]

The important thing to realize is that the 4 or so tanks that non-bots argue is the best, are all allies: Challanger, Sbrams, Leopard, Merkava. All have features the others don't and complement each other. The only thing soviet tanks can claim that modern can't is a turret ejection system...

[@wishuhadmyname]

​@@Lightman0359Glorious typo. I am American and will henceforth refer to my country's tank as the Sbrams

[@danjonalg]

and a plus if the civilians and politician like it

[@FreedomIII]

​@@Lightman0359 to be fair, those turret ejection systems do a *damn* good job of getting the turret clear of the tank ┐(´д｀)┌

[@MichelSchallenberg]

-Combat likes it

[@jeremyhearne]

Oh hey, you ain't dead. Nice

[@user-dj3dg4nu9x]

Very nice

[@indoorin]

I don’t think he can die

[@user-ec6cm5tt4z]

It can't be. We sent the finest character assassins.

[@user-dj3dg4nu9x]

@@indoorin he's immortal because he's scotish or something

[@mrman5666]

@@user-dj3dg4nu9x He's immortal do to him downing 12 tons of wine plus uranium wast that why hes a pig now a scotish pig.

[@amatthew1231]

"Guys, as Prime Minister I have a great new idea. Let's get rid of the military" _Taxes still go up_

[@MrOtistetrax]

I’d call Cameron a pig-farking cant if that wasn’t offensive to hogs. And sex. And genitals.

[@sionphillip2624]

Tory legacy

[@TalesOfWar]

@@sionphillip2624 The Tories seem to hate the military, but rather enjoy using it to fill all the gaps in public services that they also cut, then realise they can't fill said gaps because the military was also one of those public services they cut. Only they can't strike or complain about it so it goes unnoticed by the public at large. Like cuts with the police who also can't strike.

[@nilloc93]

@@TalesOfWar It's funny because just like the challenger UK politics are just a little different from everywher else. In the rest of the world the saying is "The left wants a small military and to send it everywhere, and the right wants a big military and to send it nowhere" But in the UK it just seems completely random, you got Tony Blair invading Iraq and then Tori governments reducing the military budget to nothing. Then again your Tories did get some cool new aircraft carriers and stuff for your navy.

[@TalesOfWar]

@@nilloc93 The new carriers and destroyers were ordered by the Labour government before the Tories got in and cut everything. They even tried to cancel the second carrier from being built but there was a clause saying it would have to be paid for even if they didn't build it. They also cut half the order of Type 45 destroyers from 12 to 6 and cut the order of F35's to the point where we can't even fill a single carrier. They're shared between the Navy and RAF. It's dumb. They also got rid of tens of thousands of personnel across all the military branches, mostly officers and people with actual experience. The Tories have always been about cutting spending on things, but not spending money. The money just ends up in private hands rather than benefiting the public who are actually paying for it.

[@armorhide406]

"Proud that it's last great Huzzah was the defiant roar of cannon fire and not whimpering of spineless politicians" is an AMAZING line

[@PanicAttack445]

I somehow managed to read this right as Lazerpig said that line in the video.

[@thesaddestdude3575]

@@PanicAttack445 Same

[@n1cojm]

the pig's commitment to getting GamerSupps to regret their sponsorship is honestly awe-inspiring. These ads are works of art.

[@scotcarr3390]

The Pig's ads are epic & the only ones I don't fast forward through!....😝 Although this drink company will PROBABLY not like one of their flavors being compared to Jackie's husband's c🤬ck!...😁

[@sevvythe3rd597]

should watch the goons then, they literally tell everyone that gamersupps will kill them and the ceo has thier families hostage. theyre the best

[@chloeholmes4641]

​@@sevvythe3rd597 meanwhile I'm still in aw after years at this point they allowed TheRussianBadger to make a flavour called Guacamole Gamerfart! 🤣 And Smii7y's flavour that is just called Good!

[@dominictemple]

That Wetherspoons at 3am bit was a bit too close to home. Not personally of course, it's my mate Dave who does that sort of thing.

[@sevvythe3rd597]

@@chloeholmes4641 dont forget Jschlatt's titty milk flavor

[@AlephTroll]

“Scotland Yard refused to investigate.” Why is nobody surprised by that

[@gl_tonight]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams

[@extremepredudice]

Damnit man they have more important things to do! Non crime hate incidents dont investigate themselves!

[@AIRBORN_EEvEE]

I sure am.

[@stalinsoulz7872]

Im pretty it's not so much police incompetence but more so about political wrangling. You can have the best and brightest you guns wanting to make a better service be turned to puppets because the higher ups orders are absolute.

[@si2foo]

God I wish King Charles would declare the government to inept and have most of them thrown in jail and have a return to full monarchy till he puts in place a new government one which has a fucking handle on everything

[@thekinginyellow1744]

"Not 'the best' because there's no such thing". This statement is often true in many contexts. It is sad that so few people understand it.

[@jordanl.8509]

17:30 Abrams crews be out here swapping tank engines like I swap remote batteries.

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

it takes you half an hour to switch batteries?

[@pyromasteralex]

@@SteveAkaDarktimes We dont judge such things.

[@oscaroregan6253]

Wish phones still had battery swaps

[@alw3203]

And filling the fuel tank every 30 minutes , 0.5mpg lol And driving it because no lorry's to transport Need a fuel tanker to follow them lol

[@Veritas.0]

@@SteveAkaDarktimes Still quicker than you guys learned about dentists and oral hygiene from Americans.

[@DjDolHaus86]

Nobody tells me to shut up about the Challenger 2 and gets away with it. Except that one guy in an M1 Abrams who shouted it as he was driving past, I guess he got away with it

[@ajjohnson3497]

Sorry man, I just felt like shouting something and that was the only thing that came to mind. We cool now?

[@michaelabratzel6371]

Awesome. ❤

[@DjDolHaus86]

@@ajjohnson3497 * sighs * We cool

[@DylanJo123]

Gotta love seeing people coming together

[@gl_tonight]

It's because he knows Italy will go whichever way the wind blows, at least historically and maybe still.

[@Wfalen]

Fun fact, my country(Finland) was mocked for decades because we had a large artillery and tank force(for our size). Nobody understood why we held onto even old cold war era artillery guns, and continued to buy new MLRS systems in the 2010s. We even hold yearly live fire excercises with them which shocked many central european nations. I remember reading how other european countries are retiring all their tanks, and maybe we should too because who are we using them against? "Russia has problems but they can be handled" they said. Nobodys mocking us now for keeping all that. In fact a lot of new jobs are now opening in munitions factories.

[@clairenollet2389]

My mom (American, born in 1921), was always a huge admirer of "brave little Finland.". She had nothing but good things to say about your county. And considering what a grouchy misanthrope she was, God rest her prickly soul, that's really saying something.

[@HellbirdIV]

Finland made the correct choice in realizing that the post-Cold War peace was a reprieve, not a permanent change. My country, Sweden, made the wrong choice, drastically scaling down our military and arms production while blindly chasing the ideals of peace - assuming, very foolishly, that just because *we* don't want war, that means nobody else would want war with us. Fortunately, our politicians were shook wide awake on that front.

[@ripLunarBirdCLH]

As a Pole I can understand completely your attitude. It was our President who have said in 2008 in Tbilisi: "We in Poland know this very well that today it's Georgia, tomorrow Ukraine, the day after tomorrow - the baltic states, and then maybe time will come for my country, Poland!" He was ignored. But it wasn't just him thinking that in Poland. Also we kept our T-72s and PT-91s in service far longer than it was economically viable. And whaddaya know, those tanks are now fighting the Russians on Ukraine.

[@TheRezro]

Technically Ukrainian conflict show that retiring tanks on itself was not that bad idea. But there is a huge difference between expeditionary operations and front line combat. Border countries can't really afford luxury of elite combat forces. They need robust even if primitive forces, what stop enemy here and now. Until NATO aviation arrive.

[@TheBinaryHappiness]

i thought you were mocked for being an uncultured tribe who were slaves to Swedes until Russian tsar Alexander III gave you some semblance of sovereignty and to this day you can't figure out what world you actually live in

[@Noah_Levy]

27:25 To be fair, a plate of vegetables is completely over-qualified for the position of journalist with the S*n.

[@richardarriaga6271]

A mere cabbage would be

[@joshuamattingly1232]

@@richardarriaga6271a singular pea

[@d3nza482]

@@joshuamattingly1232 Pee.

[@joeblow5214]

That distinction isn't limited to the Sun. In my experience, it extends to most every outlet.

[@hrgiyzueghe]

I once wrote a wiki article with serious sources (official government documents, books, academic papers) and it got flagged for not having good enough sources. Then some guy uses Reddit as a source and nothing happens.

[@parabolicpanorama]

maybe one day you'll understand primary and secondary sources

[@hrgiyzueghe]

@@parabolicpanorama Can you explain what you mean instead of being sarcastic?

[@terribletank3069]

I disagree with "Russia caught us with our pants down" They didn't. Europe just chose to ignore the signs. They ignored the chechen wars, they ignored Russia's invasion of Georigia in 2008 and they ignored the invasion of Crimea in 2014. This was entirely predictable.

[@sorashirogami1729]

More like: "For ten years Russia walked up to us with a dildo, and we stared at them, with our pants around our ankles.

[@Shiftinggers]

The EU ignored Russia on purpose during the invasion of Crimea in 2014. Why do you think Victoria Nuland is on tape saying "fuck the EU"? Because she knows that Angela Merkel and Francois Holland won't raise a finger in Ukraine's help because them being allied with Russia is more lucrative when it comes to the national interest.

[@Korschtal]

And our last government went and made us dependent on Russian oil; thanks Angela...

[@justacomment1657]

They allsow did actively throw gasoline on the Ukraine conflict even before it went hot..

[@willyvereb]

Crimea situation was... interesting. The reason why it never developed into a full scale major war is because the sanctions worked, almost too well aganst something the size of Russia. Kyiv remained safe because the Russians were quick to abandon their larger war aims and were happy to get what they got. That being said, claiming that Europe wasn't really doing anything after that is wild. They did quite a bit and alongside US support and the very real threat of another invasion is why the second war ended up being far different. In 2014 Ukraine had major issues of unity and their armed forces needed to reorganize. Ukrainian officers received support almost as soon as this happened. Naturally, this has also been a wakeup call for Ukraine but where exactly do you think the extra profits and money are coming from to make this function?

[@BeyondTheGrave84]

@LazerPig , back in 2015 I did an Erasmus internship at this London based architect company that was run by Italian immigrants. I'm a Finn and I had done my mandatory conscript service years before. When the 2014 invasion of Crimea happened, our Armed Forces sent out this "reservist letter" to every reservist who had a wartime position. The letter basically told you what your job was if a war breaks out. One day at the office I mentioned to my colleagues about our building norms that require each apartment block to have a bunker built into the cellar and I also mentioned that letter. My Italian coworkers all looked at me kinda weirdly and then my boss (who was Italian) asked me: "Why?". I told him that it was all in case a war broke out. He replied to me: "What war? That is ridiculous, there's no need for that because there will never be any war ". I replied that one can never be too sure and it's not stupidity to be prepared for such a thing. He looked at me along his nose, smirked and commented something about the stupidity of it all and continued his work. I kinda like to know what he thinks of my country's preparedness now? His attitude immediately came into my mind when you talked about NATO's readiness level back in those days.

[@gringo1723]

Compliments for placing this information before the noses of other EU/NATO members: FINLAND has dealt with the morons from the East a few decades ago, and know the Bastards for what they REALLY ARE. As OTTO BISMARCK said: "never trust Russians because Russians don't even trust themselves". After fighting the crappy Russian Army in a prelude to WW II the Courageous and Wise Finn's resolvedly vowed NEVER AGAIN, and their society has employed this principle for more than 80 years. ♾

[@Kruhn]

Well, living next to, and even having had the (dis) pleasure of being invaded by the rampaging bear, concentrates the mind wonderfully.

[@kingofcards9516]

Every country should have a 2nd amendment.

[@DJSockmonkeyMusic]

​@@KruhnDangerous neighbours, the unexpected smell of cordite, or high octane fuel, they all work. But Nitroglycerin will REALLY get your heart pumping! 😆😆

[@DJSockmonkeyMusic]

​@@kingofcards9516where I live, the second amendment to our constitution bans daylight saving.

[@JoseCastro-sc4pm]

Thanks to the pig for all his hard work. This history of the Challenger 2 reminded me of the P-40 or Kittyhawk if you drink leaf water. The airplane was, underpower, heavy, and antiquated. But it was reliable, comfortable for the pilot and probably more importantly, available. While everyone love to talk about how amazing the late war airplanes where, those how flew the plane loved it. And while it didn't bring the war to an end, it certainly helped the war keep going until better planes could come in to take it's place.

[@spindash64]

For what it's worth, that extra weight in the P-40 got put to solid use structurally: thing was built like a tank

[@SirFloofy001]

"so stealthy its never been seen in combat" that one got a chortle

[@QueueWithACapitalQ]

Western tanks in promo vids: *stable gun with accurate tracking of targets* T14 promo: *AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND WE GO*

[@skyraider87]

It's because the traverse mechanism broke, it's stuck spinning

[@billyjohnson3819]

To roughly quote a comment I saw on the T-14 video: "The turret traverse is directly linked to the final drive. Tank go forward, turret goes around."

[@ToabyToastbrot]

It's a clockwork engine, you tunr the turret a few times around, then the tank gows forward weee while the turret spins back.

[@90skidcultist]

T14 & Terminator are bestest.🦧

[@The_Haruspex]

I'm stealing a comment from an old LP video, but here goes: "It's because the T-14 is secretly a helicopter".

[@swingpower1842]

In about 50 years we will have a full series of every military vehicle ever made.

[@NightworksYT]

I don't think KZbin will exist in 50 years

[@Jokoko2828]

@@NightworksYT Evil things last forever.

[@supercat4539]

In fifty years he won’t even have finished his next video

[@gangstercheesefries1112]

​@@Jokoko2828Ominous!

[@Whatshisname346]

The average pig liver doesn’t last 50 years!

[@wonghy1115]

"Freedom called, and it was Europe who answered" is a hard fucking line

[@TheBelrick]

"Freedom, can you question history without going to jail yet?"

[@Nick-rs5if]

@@TheBelrick Eventually.

[@fs5866]

War called and it was NATO who answered,remind me how many wars has NATO instigated and participated in since it's creation?

[@gopniksaurolophus6354]

As a small note to the video conclusion: NATO went from having a multi-layered air defense network that had everything from autocannon-armed guntrucks to mobile, long-range SAM systems in the 1980s, to relying on relatively small Patriot battalions and older HAWK missiles, with almost no SHORAD capability outside of a few odd programs that really just amount to slapping IRST and MANPADs, potentially a gun or cannon of some kind, onto an existing transport chassis, and whatever Gepards are still in service with European nations.

[@christopherchartier3017]

Well when the combined NATO air forces and naval air forces are that strong, you can usually get away with it. It just doesn’t work that well in war Thunder lol

[@xmeda]

NATO never had any multi-layer anti ari defence network. NEVER. Always just various isolated systems with no real combat experience.

[@christopherchartier3017]

@@xmeda That’s quite the statement. Care to explain?

[@blink182bfsftw]

​@@christopherchartier3017 their other rambling comment about Russia's supposed superiority should give you a clue where this person comes from

[@christopherchartier3017]

@@blink182bfsftw Ah, I see

[@collinhicks37]

Although as an American tanker, I am required by law to endlessly and religiously proclaim the superiority of the glorious Abrams tank, I do have a profound amount of respect for the Challenger 2 and the British Army as a whole

[@wishuhadmyname]

My uncle was a tanker (1st Cav, 2nd battalion I think). In Iraq, he got to see some Challenger 2s firing at a training range. He was unaware that any other tank was near as accurate as the Abrams, which he claimed with his crew could hit a football at 2mi on the move

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

As an American I'm also required to endless proclaim the superiority if the Abrams, mostly because that's the only tank that would ever fire on me.

[@rebelgaming1.5.14]

I've always had a soft spot for the Chally 2 ever since I read about the thing shrugging of dozens of RPG hits in a children's book made to basically give a simple look into the modern world of warfare. Meaning I've basically loved the thing for just about 11-12 years now. While the Freebrams will always be my go-to, the Chally will always be my second favorite.

[@kyosokutai]

The Prigozhin screaming Shoigu's name like a Jojo villain will never get old, I feel. Made more comical by recent revelations as Shoigu, was in fact, conspiring against him.

[@JamesJeffersonRecords]

In fact? Which facts are those exactly?

[@ProzacPie1]

The multiple tangents and off-roads that you took during this video give far more context to the topic than mere stats ever will. Well said. Insightful. Respect.

[@Notere]

Habitual Linecrosser is currently running across the ocean on foot to slap you for leaving out the US Air Defense contribution with its steadily-increasing kill count.

[@crystallineentity]

GRAMPA BUFF TO THE RESCUE

[@ieuanhunt552]

But Ruzzia has destroyed 30 of the 4 patriot systems in Ukraine

[@ThatTurboProbe]

​@@crystallineentityDear god, hope the kid didn't get out again. "Would you intercept me?" "I'd intercept me"

[@Duskraven67]

"Thats the only thing that can unite Americans; dabbing on Europeans." No truer statement has been made about America ever.

[@whylikethis117]

As an american with european friends, I can confirm that this is in fact true.

[@NuSuntSerb]

europeans refuse to accept that america is richer, stronger, and way more influential than all of europe combined

[@PC-rl1xe]

We try our best.

[@sctumminello]

Always remember the US was founded by Europeans who didn't like Europe.

[@christopherchartier3017]

Meh. It’s not the only thing. Boats and Towers have United us more. Dabbing on Europeans is more so usually just a fun joke to bring up once in a while, which is usually followed by an “AT LEASHT OWER SKEWLS AINT CALL OF DOOTY”. Honestly right now, America is in heavy political division. No outside force is going to unite us unless it ends up making its way over the oceans and somehow more directly impacts the American population as a whole. America is just so disconnected from the rest of the world, both mentally and geographically, whatever makes its way over here gets so bent out of shape by our media it just turns into a fat mess. That goes for both Right and Left leaning voters. Overall, I just don’t think America really wants to get majorly involved into another modern war. We’ve already got a lot of flank from our previous conflicts, from Vietnam to the recent Afghanistan withdrawal. And our politicians are also rotting. All in all it’s a really screwed scenario

[@Helljumper012]

i suspected the pig was back .. the price of wine shot up...

[@NoManClatuer-pd8ck]

Lmao

[@polygonalfortress]

lol

[@filiberto599]

I think it should be noted that US was caught with its pants down too. Military budgets for the last two decades have been high, but focused on weapons suited for low intensity, high precision, high cost warfare. While these have served Ukraine well, the ability to ramp up manufacture of both these precision weapon systems and simple items like artillery shells was quite limited. The US industrial base is going through a learning process just like Europe on how to scale up manufacturing for a high intensity war.

[@ethanmcfarland8240]

We need to reshore and build up our industry damnit, we used to be the goddamn arsenal of democracy

[@JonPITBZN]

I distinctly remember saying that Mitt Romney was stuck in the Cold War when he said that Russia was our biggest adversary. He was right, I was wrong.

[@richardarriaga6271]

And then the GOP embraced Russia

[@JonPITBZN]

@richardarriaga6271 Romney didn't, he's still loyal to America

[@crocidile90]

​@@richardarriaga6271 You mean the DNC *Looks at Obama letting Putin take Chrimea with ease*

[@longbeardbobson4710]

How on Earth is Russia an adversary of the US?

[@Matt-xc6sp]

⁠@@JonPITBZNhe’s loyal to his faith above all. Not great for a leader but it inoculated him against trumpism

[@cb6733]

"Last great huzzah is the defiant roar of cannon fire, and not the whimpering of politicians" That last line gave me chills, metal af

[@Korschtal]

And that defiant roar is in the support of freedom, and Europe, against a tyrant. Well done UK.

[@DavidT943]

What a great line to end on. I think this is one of his best videos.

[@xmightygamerx]

As a German this sentence basically spawned the image of Olaf Scholz and yeah...

[@cameronwixcey9692]

Reminds me of the standard mistake continental tyrants have made. That the UK will fight of it has to. Napoleon called us shopkeepers Mussolini- pale shadow of Drake. Putin- probably said UK is cucks. 2 were proved wrong. We shall see on the last one.

[@macostagrinok]

​@@xmightygamerxsame mental image...😂😂

[@stevenchoza6391]

THE PIG LIVES!

[@Lord_Foxy13]

ALL GLORY TO THE PIG!!!!

[@personzorz]

THANK THE PIG

[@trathanstargazer6421]

IT IS ALIVE!!

[@barondiamondo6676]

*STOMP STOMP*

[@Whatshisname346]

Slava pig!

[@DownwithEA1]

I know I cheered after the Brits stepped up when all of us were too busy pissing into the wind.

[@JamesJeffersonRecords]

"pissing into the wind." "To have your own piss blown back into you, turning a moment of relief, into disgust and discomfort, albeit with some warmth". I do not think you could more accurately describe Western involvement in Ukraine. Ukraine lost the war a year ago btw. Peep the recent Russian offensives.

[@alphaandomega4422]

Bloody Yank here. I've honestly never had a bad impression on the Challenger or any modern British tank, I've always found them to be just what Britain needed for their defense. Maybe they have some trouble in certain theaters, but that comes down to poor logistics not design. Any good soldier knows if you take care of your equipment, it takes care of you. As for the accusation that it was built to be just "good enough", a wise man I have great respect for said this: "sometimes good enough, is just perfect"

[@smoketinytom]

Having Rupert Murdoch effectively called "The Good guy" was the most shocking revelation in this video.

[@Feanor6450]

I mean he did call him a dark lord of the Sith, the point was just that he doesn't have the same personal interest in manipulating the war reporting that a Russian oligarch would.

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@Feanor6450Remember a Sith tossed Palpatine into a reactor core

[@ThePandoraGuy]

German here. Every tank that manages to bring it's crew home after multiple RPG and even a fucking MILAN hit, is a good tank. Also no matter where the tank comes from, with a braindead crew, a incompetent leadership and/or tactics that don't work in reality (Tanks are not meant to be parked on a ridge without any support), the only thing you get in the end is a smoldering, multi-million -INSERT CURRENCY HERE, paperweight and a bunch of nice written letters, for whomever the crew lefts behind. The Challenger Deux and it's little brother, the Warrior, are friendly and capable creatures, you just have to give 'em a chance.

[@rbaxter286]

Yeah, but that kind of design philosophy (first property of a ship is not to sink) didn't carry the Kaiser's Hobby Battle Fleet to victory, while the battle cruiser losing RN was never seriously challenged by that fleet.

[@ThePandoraGuy]

@@rbaxter286 It wasn't an absolute statement, im not a 2 dimensional villain in a Saturday morning cartoon. But survivability, if not for tank but at least for the meatbags that operate it, is an important trait, specially if the training, coordination and teamwork of said crew goes further than, "This is your tank, these are your buddies, you have to work together no matter what, here is the manual for the vehicle and there on the horizon is the front line, good luck!" No, we want those motherfuckers to survive, because they cost us money already and a puddle of blood, tissue and splintered bones can neither operate that vehicle, nor makes a good impression for morale. That is why we also invented ejection seats, because a pilots education and training is even more expensive than that of good tanker already is.

[@kotestalina3838]

Its british of course its bad

[@SirBroadsword]

@@rbaxter286 The British battlecruisers betrayed that design philosophy, sacrificing protection in favour of maximizing speed and firepower. And, well, look what happened.

[@werrkowalski2985]

The problem is that these stories about Challenger allegedly surviving so many hits are exaggerated.

[@Seagull780]

I love how lazerpig keeps pretending he isn't a massive teaaboo

[@francesconicoletti2547]

His favorite planes are the F-111 and the F-117 . Not noticeably British or ever on British inventory.

[@uzikidding6745]

​@@JamesJeffersonRecords Did you have a stroke while typing that?

[@uzikidding6745]

@@JamesJeffersonRecords So just homophobic and naturally stupid. Cool. Not a great look for the new management of your record studio.

[@JamesJeffersonRecords]

@@uzikidding6745 I had a stroke typing it to bypass KZbin’s censorship, yes. If you struggle with reading comprehension, that’s on you.

[@uzikidding6745]

@@JamesJeffersonRecords For the KZbin channel of a record company it's not really a good look. Maybe try being less of a cunt and focus on the music.

[@weeb3244]

47:48 the problem was mostly the bullshit being jammed into these bills. In the US, a bill is never just one issue, it's a whole mess of things, which arent necessarily related to eachother, and politicians use one large, popular issue to push these unrelated, far more polarizing things through (Ficticious) Example: Bill: "puppy aid package" Contents: A. 1% of military spending is diverted to animal shelters B. Increases federal taxes by 50%

[@AnimarchyHistory]

This video must have been quite a challenge to make.

[@davidty2006]

*ba dum tis*

[@jamesfelstead4096]

2-chė

[@Duckfisher0222]

Shureman!

[@mogyesz9]

It must be indeed challenging to spew out so much propaganda when he has the ability to be critical in historical terms.

[@nobodydoesanything381]

​@@mogyesz9 Oh look. A leftist

[@Shockbucklin]

BABE WAKE UP, HE FOUND THE LOVE LETTER AND/OR BLACKMAIL LETTER

[@patavinity1262]

Imagine still thinking that 'babe wake up' comments are still funny in May 2024.

[@Gamer-ks1ib]

​@patavinity1262 Imagine typing out a comment that has no other purpose than to aggravate or upset another thinking breathing human-being because you've seen it's archetype multiple times. I really hate these comments, they serve literally no purpose and their tone is usually more annoying than the original comment. Please remember the text on the screen was typed out by another person.

[@patavinity1262]

@@Gamer-ks1ib Imagine having this kind of embarrassing meltdown online because you think pointing out that another comment isn't funny is going to ruin someone's life. Imagine being *that much* of a whiney, oversensitive loser.

[@szymonp1701]

​@@Gamer-ks1ibbased

[@supragostututu625]

@@patavinity1262Imagine being a fucking asshole for no reason

[@dworkin7110]

There is a LOT of information packed into this video, some of which I knew nothing about. Great job LazerPig. Subscribed!

[@BestOfTsars]

Still waiting for that Dad’s army video.

[@mjfan653]

As an estonian, it was a fun game of "what footage was filmed here" You brits have a large contingent here, playing in the snow and playing "who blinks first" with the russians. But you bring british sitcoms and led zeppelin vinyls, so hugely welcome, even if you devour half of our beer production in a single weekend.

[@ryklatortuga4146]

your Viru beer was quite good - loved the weird shape of the bottle

[@ringsystemmusic]

Huh, that might be responsible for how one of my favorite albums (Sven Grunberg’s Hingus) made it to the West- UK servicemembers gave it a spin and liked it!

[@kikidevine694]

Only half? That's only because I haven't visited yet

[@MiketheMadness]

Estonians are lovely people! The tours are made boring as hell by our senior officers boring rules, but the people and (summer) weather make up for it

[@iandennis7836]

Ah, yeah, the er, beer thing......er, sorry about that, won't happen again, promise😁

[@Dumpsterfire_Truck]

"Some of the worst people on the internet" My son that is a bold claim. Finding the worst people of the internet can't be done; like scraping the bottom of the yogurt cup. There's always a little bit more that you just can't get at.

[@thepsychicspoon5984]

To be fair, the worst people on the internet can be found on reddit and TikToc.

[@ChylieDartwright]

That is what your tongue is for.

[@fishpodpizza544]

​@ChylieDartwright your tongue is for people from the internet?

[@xxx_mem3_mast3r_xxx8]

@@fishpodpizza544 You heard the man!

[@ChylieDartwright]

@fishpodpizza544 also yes, but primarily for licking the succulent morsels from the bottom of jars. And talking sometimes.

[@elliri3012]

"Freedom called, and it was Europe that answered the phone"- epic.

[@crimsonlegion9729]

Thanks for picking up the tab Europe We left our credit card at home

[@hadenmontgomery5888]

I always liked the challenge on looks alone. Something about it's lines looks so pleasing to me.

[@Lightman0359]

There is a slim but non-zero chance that you will get an even more hilarious video than a T-90 playing turret toss with a Challenger: A Challenger using spin-stabilized HESH to play duck hunt with a Russian Helicopter. They already shot down Migs with Stingers and jerry-rigged NATO missiles onto Soviet wing pylons, the Ukrainians are some crafty nutters, I have no doubt that if a Ka-52 got within LoS of the last functioning Challenger 2 in Ukraine, that a shell would be sent downrange. No, its not intended, no its not doctrine, but what good is a sniper tank if you don't try trick shots? Trying to fly under radar? Fly under HESH you filthy casual!

[@BoisegangGaming]

The blursed challenger 2 360-no-scope.

[@articularpack6422]

Why do I hear a British Officer yelling counter this you casual as he pulls his sword out as the cannon fires?

[@Speedy2619]

​@@articularpack6422"Drive me closer i want to hit him with my sword"😂

[@connivingkhajiit]

BESH

[@Robertlynschultz]

“Stingers and NATO missies Jerry-rigged to MiGs hard points” and actually hitting anything… really like to see video of that…

[@jds355]

As a Brit, my biggest argument to helping UA is the fact we signed the Budapest Memorandum. Of course there is a moral and strategic element which are massive reasons to help, but I always coldly argue that we signed that treaty and thus are obliged to help. Regardless of what, we gave them our word. I do wish more UK and US politicians actually explicitly mentioned that treaty, because in my opinion that is set in stone, and we must honor it. No emotion or heart-string-tugging, but instead honouring what was agreed. Great video mate. I've always liked the Chally, just hope we can ship out more. Always knew one would get blown up at some point, at least they're getting some use!

[@jimb9063]

Yes it certainly feels like obligation to me, however mentioning it too much might levy criticism about why support has been limited and delayed, or even why US and UK armed forces are not being used to honour the treaty if it's so important as to be mentioned all the time. Nations doing what they said they'd do, quite the chequered history.

[@maryginger4877]

The Budapest Memo declared Ukraine to be a neutral country, to never join EU or NATO.... oh... you never read it did you...

[@jds355]

@maryginger4877 Which it was until 2014 when RU first invaded. But you probably knew that. It also said RU must respect UAs 1991 borders. But you probably knew that. And even then I don't see what that's got to do with the US and the UK sticking to it and aiding UA. Ukraine fulfilled its part of the treaty, right up until RU broke theirs. And with nuclear weapons now in Belarus, RU and BL have violated it even more. Ask your commanding officer Ivan. He's probably a few computers down.

[@jimb9063]

@@maryginger4877 It isn't in the EU or NATO

[@Tank-o-grad]

To be fair, can it truly be a world war if it doesn't start with Britain fulfilling its obligations to a Treaty or Pact?

[@mrregirock985]

Guys i think we found the guy who leaked the classified documents for the challenger's armour

[@Glubmonster4rl]

armor*

[@Swaggs907]

“James we’re trying to prove that British Leyland occasionally made good cars. You’re not helping.”

[@food_toobs8333]

James: *proceeds to have the only BL car that “worked”*

[@TalesOfWar]

Is that the episode Clarkson wrote "BMW" on the Leyland engine so they blame the Germans if it conks out?

[@beardywierdy6308]

The way Europe has spun up production shows that the "expand production in the event of war" idea was valid. They just should have done it when the war actually started in 2014, not nearly a bloody decade later...

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

Why?

[@user-pm8je4fo7e]

Do you have like an actual numbers of forementioned production being spun up by europe? I see a lot of oversea orders being placed, but production... not so much. Only talks and occasional layoffs.

[@djsmeguk]

Yeah, the "lets contain them and out economy them" idea from 2014 worked really really well. Ah well, the military industrial complex is slow to start, but ho boy is it starting to roll now. About the only thing that will stop it (and even then, only one arm of it) is the election in November.

[@MazeFrame]

I sincerely hope for the EU to walk out of this with a pair and a new member!

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

@@MazeFrame EU =/=NATO

[@Flying__Scotsman]

give the challenger 2 wings and amraams, then give the blueprints to the russians

[@Flying__Scotsman]

icl though i prefer the vickers mk7 purely because i like how it looks

[@scotchbingeington6761]

*Mike Sparks is typing...

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@@Flying__Scotsman u/TheSheriffMT is that you ?

[@Flying__Scotsman]

@@nikolaideianov5092 who?

[@nikolaideianov5092]

@@Flying__Scotsman soo no Hes some guy that made a vickers mk 7 3d model and seemed to like it a lot

[@datoaster4991]

39:17 so I kinda believe him because the T-72 runs on diesel, a fuel that can freeze, diesel cars have a resistor to heat the fuel so the engine can start and knowing that russia his famous for their lack of maintainence it could mean that the fuel heater was not working so he had to externally heat the fuel, hence the bonfire.

[@Caboose858]

Love your videos! Your style is informative and extremely entertaining. Just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate your work, and thank you for it 🤘🏼🤙🏽

[@niemand9743]

I feel like "youtube didn't like this footage" sums up russian armor pretty well

[@shotsfired_dk]

Have my like sir

[@hairybubbles127]

That's exceptionally fair.

[@logansmall5148]

Yeah just draw in a lil parachute indicating the crew ejected safely before the turret hit the ground like it was GI Joe cartoon.

[@trolleriffic]

@@logansmall5148 "What you're seeing there is the tank's ejector seats working properly... I know that looks like the crew are on fire, but that's just an optical illusion."

[@bt42_howitzer]

soon we will have a video titled "Shut up about (insert tank here)" for every tank that has been produced ever

[@gregorteply9034]

Except russian ones.

[@Eminentharp]

April 1st 2025, Shut up about the bob semple

[@tyrannicalchocolate]

"Shut up about Septic tanks" - Lazerpig in 20 years

[@demon-hunter1498]

I believe this is like the 6th "shut up about (insert vic name here)" vid he's done

[@candledish]

Soon 😂

[@the_gask6070]

Being controversial in "Military enthusiast lore" is possibly the lowest stakes anything can be in the history of humanity

[@steveh1289]

Im so glad you popped up in my feed a little over a year ago. Your writing and presentation of information is just phenomenal, and the rants and quips never fail to make me laugh. Laserpig for president.

[@michaelhowell2326]

I'm an American and a former Abrams tanker. The Abrams is my automatic go-to but the Challenger is my immediate number 2.

[@williamyoung9401]

IDK...those upgraded T-62s look pretty sexy... 😝

[@Noone-lm9mk]

🇬🇧 🇺🇸

[@Skykid3307]

​@@williamyoung9401 They don't work as good as the tanks menti9ned above though. Might be cheaper on maintenence maybe? But i'd take the more expensive tank.

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@@Skykid3307nah they are old enough so they need extra maintanense

[@carlossaraiva8213]

No love for the Leo 2?

[@DanielsPolitics1]

13:00 I had forgotten that the Marines had to make do with a single cheese, not the cheeseboard enjoy by Army officers and the entire RAF.

[@KolinAlayon-nq9xv]

12:51 people also forget that US armored vehicles today also have ration heaters. We had one in our strykers. We had one in our bradleys, and the tankers have them too. Its literally NATO doctrine to stay inside Vehicles in a CBRN environment. Youre not supposed to use the FRHs in MREs in enclosed spaces. Every NATO vehicle that can create a slight positive pressure atmosphere for CBRN environments have ration heaters. If you were in the US army and you didnt see one, its because your unit took them out to make space for stowage and now nobody knows they exist in the conex.

[@BlackHawkBallistic]

Hopefully after this war ends Europe remembers the lessons learned here and don't go back to relying on the US for military defense, it would be great for everyone if they keep this up.

[@KodaCatsune]

53:27 “it is at least proud that it’s last great huzzah was the defiant roar of cannon fire and not the whimpering of spineless politicians.” God DAMN you have a way with words!

[@wolfbyte3171]

*Stands up to applaud, tears in eyes*

[@davidkueny2444]

That line goes hard AF.

[@chitzkoi]

Pig, I just... I'm on a posting in Korea right now, and Breakfast with Jackie was more Britishness than I was ready for. I'm a working class boy Pig. Youve made me quite emotional and homesick. It was a masterpiece.

[@JPKyle-ro3sn]

I'm Australian, so no UK Nostalgia here, however, I always enjoy Jackie's appearances. Jackie is amazing :D

[@chitzkoi]

@JPKyle-ro3sn my parents are strayan and I do find the bogan in all of us has his origins in the UK

[@JPKyle-ro3sn]

@@chitzkoi this explains so much lol

[@jamesedwardladislazerrudo1378]

​@@chitzkoi > Has Russian name > Australian Ah yes a man of culture.

[@CollKill2]

Marine tank mechanic here. I can’t confirm that it takes a little under an hour to swap a power pack on an M1 A1 Abrams. Me and my guys used to be able to do it in less than 30 minutes.

[@lordulberthellblaze6509]

16:39 Not just every British person. Every gearhead the world over who watched this video enjoyed a laugh or suffered a jumpscare seeing that.

[@TalesOfWar]

I'm still recovering with a slight twitch in my eye after seeing it. If only it could be unseen!

[@mcmoose64]

British Leyland had an Australian branch and factory . Australians of a certain age also just squirmed .

[@mikesmith2905]

Seem BL was largely a management issue, the Indians bought their bit out and it seems to be doing rather well (making trucks at any rate)

[@GabrielA-iy4kc]

The innocuous phrase "P 76" will forever have a resonance for us that the world can only wonder upon

[@datoaster4991]

Im not even british and that thing made me squirmed. We need to revive the european car industry

[@mcmoose64]

The ones that didn't spontaneously combust were ok .​@@GabrielA-iy4kc

[@peterfireflylund]

@@datoaster4991it’s doing fairly well (outside of the UK). It’s having trouble with the EV transition, of course, but that’s a global problem.

[@barleysixseventwo6665]

"The retirement of the Nimrod-" *THAT WAS BRITAIN'S ANTI-SUB PLANE!?* It looks like something Studio Gibli would make while trying to adapt a bad Tom Clancy Novel! I fucking love it!

[@JohnHughesChampigny]

It's a Comet, you know, the first jet Airliner with the unfortunately square windows.

[@user-kn7qw4qr7t]

All British-designed aircraft from the mid-late 20th Century look like they belong on the set of Thunderbirds.

[@rbaxter286]

@@JohnHughesChampigny Wasn't the square windows that did it in, WAS IT?! Read the final reports and analyses like I did.

[@rbaxter286]

And, the reason it was canned and turned into Coke cans is the Poseidon does the same job for much less money (being donated to the UK military budget) and in a more modern and capable airframe.

[@Philip271828]

According to Mentour Now! the square window refers to a hole in the fuselage for a radio antenna. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3XNn3ptaal3pNE&t

[@jorger1818]

The thing about American support for Ukraine seeming so flip-floppy (and more specifically that of House Republicans) is the fact that House Republicans specifically are kind of split right now in ideology. One side who call themselves the "Freedom Caucus" is much more focused on what Trump talks more about like local social/religious issues and isolationism (or "putting America first" as they call it) than any other thing that has historically concerned Republicans. This means that in order to get anything passed in the House of Representatives, the technical majority party (Republicans) have to make deals not only with the Democrats who are the only other party with power in the country and would naturally be opposed to most Republican policies, but also the Freedom Caucus who outright refuse to compromise for their ideals. Practically nothing worthwhile had been passed in the House in the half a year prior to this one funding bill because of constant infighting and delays.

[@IanGerritsen]

Basically the same as "the squad" except that the democrat policy was wrenched hard left towards them whereas most Republicans don't want a bar of how their minority is behaving.

[@joeblow5214]

What's messed up is the fact that the "Freedom Caucus" hets chastised by the rest of the GOP and DNC for basically saying hold on, let's look at the problems the mainstream parties have been paying lipservice to for decades then gets call traitors for it. It's asinine. The parties here are it seems don't want to look seriously at the problems here, they will go looking for problems to solve overseas or problems here that are minor so they can claim they did something to get reelected. I hate the parties so much.

[@Ataximander]

Sad I don't get to sing along at the end credits anymore.

[@BlockieBoy_and_Trevor]

As a British cadet, MREs are all boil-in-the-bag if they need to be cooked. This is a meme feature that is highlighted for the laughs, but it actually has a really good practical value.

[@brillcrafter7417]

yup, ex cadet (weird thing to say) and yeah they are boil in the bag and damm does it feel good to have a hot meal after getting soaked by whatever excersise you had done that day

[@UNSCPILOT]

Was in Canadian Air Cadets years ago, but the Canadian MREs we got were boil in bag too, some were pretty decent, but some of the breakfast menu is a crime against food, I still remember the distinct catfood smell from the scrambled eggs...

[@DjDolHaus86]

The reasoning for having water boiling facilities is that it doesn't require the crew to leave the tank during meal times which increases response time and reduces risk of coming to harm through enemy action (snipers/chemical attack)

[@AIRBORN_EEvEE]

American Civil Air Patrol cadet over here. (not military, but gaining age-appropriate military style experience) I totally agree. While I don’t pretend to have any real insight into the world of those who are actively fighting in real conflict, I gotta say; I for one would seriously appreciate having an easily accessible hot meal if i were somebody who was actively being shot at. (Also, American Breakfast MREs are also atrocious.)

[@fredslipknot9]

Oh lovely

[@taggartmumford8737]

“Erm aktuawy the challenger 2 sucks cuz it’s unangled” probably some wehraboo and mike sparks. Bad news after this video lazerpig was found dead in a British bathtub having drowned in crumpets and corruption😔

[@gamera5160]

It doesn't fly either.

[@F.R.E.D.D2986]

Just gonna ignore the front of the turret

[@rudatkatzn9171]

@@F.R.E.D.D2986 That's the magic: People tend to ignore anything positive about vehicles when they want to convince you that they're bad. That goes for MBTs, WWII Tanks and most Tanks really.

[@-zero-3148]

@@F.R.E.D.D2986he’s making a joke referring to a previous video

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@@rudatkatzn9171unless its the Saint-Chamond idk whats good about it

[@c7avenger26]

i still love the line "freedom called and it was europe who answered the phone" idk y its just so good

[@rbwbr]

As a Ukrainian - I gotta say that we were surprised by the european resolve in military aid. We though there will be less and for me - the fact that super underfunded british military was one of the first to answer is much appreciated.

[@TalesOfWar]

I'm sorry to have inflicted Boris upon you on multiple occasions. I know they love him out there, but he's an absolute [insert worst possible slur you can]. BUT. On this one thing, he was absolutely right. Sending aid, munitions and actual hardware was the right thing to do. I wonder how much of it was a distraction from all of the scandal he was embroiled within at home and how much was genuinely wanting to help. It's probably a bit of both, but it worked out for the best in this instance.

[@rbwbr]

@@TalesOfWar before 2022 I didnt know who he is, as for most of ukrainians(we didnt really follow other countries politics, except russia and belarus for obvious reasons). Thats why he is a positive personality here 🙈

[@TheBelrick]

slave states had no choice but to obey masters to defend private investments in newly conquered slave state of Ukr

[@Punishthefalse]

So you are telling me that people are complaining about the Challenger 2 doing exactly what it was designed to do instead of doing what the braying audience want it to do?

[@ryanhampson673]

Former EOD tech here. The HESH round (high explosive squash head) works by hitting a target and literally squashing spreading out before detonating. The shock wave travels through the target and breaks off internal parts of the bunker/ armor causing “spalling”, lethal particles of your own armor bouncing around inside your vehicle. Also rifling is detrimental to HEAT (high explosive anti-tank) rounds because the centrifugal force interferes with the plasma jet formation in HEAT warheads. Disclaimer, as an American I still think the Challenger is a beastly vehicle, no tanks are indestructible as we can see of some Abrams being taken out by drones in Ukraine recently.

[@voidtempering8700]

The issue is that the HESH is useless against almost any tank with basic composite armor. It literally wouldn't work on a T-62m or T-72a, let alone any more modern T-72.

[@ryanhampson673]

@@voidtempering8700 Very true, the ERA does mitigate the shockwave and composite armor also breaks up the shockwave as it passes through the armor. Like he said in the video, HESH works great on bunkers or solid steel plate armor in older tanks. Thing is they found a lot of the ERA was missing in Russian tanks, the containers were literally filled with cardboard. Corruption in the storage yards over the years had seen a lot of the explosive blocks walk off on their own.

[@voidtempering8700]

@@ryanhampson673 Can you name me three instances of cardboard ERA. Because that has literally never happened. There is an instance of explosives were removed from the tank after it was disabled, but that is it.

[@ryanhampson673]

@@voidtempering8700 Read some reports early on in the war but who knows could have been media propaganda 🤷‍♂ can’t really believe much these days.

[@Dommifax]

Iirc a lot of them were just empty boxes for tanks that were in storage for a long time (as it wasn't needed on them and was more effective to use on tanks seeing actual combat) which is why some of them didn't get new ERA in time when they were hastily reactivated - I think the carton one was just a single photo blown out of proportion

[@johnnyblue1977]

Out of curiosity has a sponsor ever hated one of your ads? This is the only channel that I actually don't skip the ads

[@Thamian]

Chieftain did a video on Challenger 2 a while ago (was a weird one - some lady from Wargaming was with him for it) and one of the more interesting observations he made was that the most genius thing about it from his perspective was the gunner's controls - they're basically a playstation controller on the end of a solid bar welded to the turret body. Compare and contrast this with the joysticks of the M1 - on the move, over rough ground, the gunner in the Abrams has got his work cut out for him holding the aimpoint steady as his whole body, arm and hand get jogged around, but the Challenger? He just has to hold firmly onto that controller, and his thumbs are held steady, making it *far* easier to hold the aimpoint on target. He also said that while he would prefer his M1, he wouldn't feel uncomfortable going to war in a Challenger 2 - which for any professional tanker, especially an american one, is basically as high as praise gets.

[@DarkWarchieff]

I live in the Netherlands, close to an old UK air base. There's an old newspaper story where they transported a Hydrogen Bomb. They were supposed to tie it down but it became common to not do that as the sheer weight of the bomb kept it in place. It rained that day and a HYDROGEN BOMB slid onto the road. Stuff's insane.

[@Jo-rz6bs]

The things are pretty safe, is fine.

[@DarkWarchieff]

@@Jo-rz6bs Imagine some old German lady driving home and suddenly a nuke slide out on the road. I know they aren't regular bombs and need activation to do anything, but still for a layman that's terrifying.

[@axelboltz3077]

In GDR of the 60s or 70s my uncle almost got run over by a russian towed artillery gun when driving behind a soviet army truck which suddenly lost its towing capabiliity while doing roughly 80 km/h.

[@tylersmith3139]

@@DarkWarchieff He lives in the Netherlands so it would be an old Dutch lady.

[@gringotom242]

elmpt

[@nomchomsley854]

That entire Queen Rises over Moscow bit is one of the greatest things I've ever seen

[@Ralnon]

Quintessential Monty Python

[@RichardHardslab]

Yeah, he shouldn’t even have to think about apologizing for that

[@MURPHYCHACHO]

I'd watch that movie.

[@joshuachilton4122]

but have you considered that it is British, therefore bad?

[@MostlyPennyCat]

I was of the understanding that Chobham was the name for the armour project and Burlington and Dorchester were the resulting products, one is NERA, the other is ERA. And that Challenger 3 has the latest version of Chobham, Epsom and Farnham. Anybody else know about this? Is it true?

[@kernowpolski]

Well done Lazerpig - a resounding cheer at the end and huge credit for exposing Cameron's military arsonage (little pun there). As I always say "If David Cameron is the answer, you are asking the wrong question!"

[@ToaArcan]

This is one pig that Cameron won't want to go near.

[@NXPhoenix3]

I'd argue there is a good question whose answer is "David Cameron:" Who is a politician with a great terrible nickname? I will die on this hill because "David Hameron" has not left my brain.

[@NigelTolley]

He destroyed the armed forces and set up the Brexit con. And somehow he's back in power! Sickening.

[@TheCrimsonElite666]

​@@NXPhoenix3Lest we forget he once stuck his nob inside a dead pig's mouth.

[@baz5042]

Ate me Tuh-64 Ate me Tuh-72 Ate me Tuh-80 Ate me Tuh-90 Ate me China Tunk Luv me Challnger Luv me Arums (dun’t evan know what kilometer is) Luv me LaClerk (gud fer bein a frog tunk) Luv me Lepper (Nautzie bastards) Luv me LazerPig Luz me Big Jackie

[@deitchj003]

I’m a Brit. We don’t use kilometres. We use miles.

[@SaltyPotter]

I feel compelled to point out that, despite most of the nation's refusal to do so, the United States military does in fact use the metric system.

[@mikehammer4018]

@@SaltyPotter Yet another crime to lay at the feet of NATO! (I'm joking. Kinda)

[@Devil_Dog_98]

Simple as

[@weismeister121]

Wots a chaos goooooooo-**BLAM!!!**

[@rtaraquin]

28:35 As an American - and this is not an exaggeration - the football field measurement did work for me, thank you.

[@Cergowski]

Great content! Especially the summary (end part)! Keep up the good work! Drunk regards from Poland!

[@wayneholmes637]

As a former Centurion and Chieftain driver/gunner/loader in the Royal Engineers (AVRE and AVLB) I just keep out of "discussions" with people who have never even seen a tank in real life.

[@Not-a-French-guy]

Challenger 🤝 Leclerc Being very good tanks that barely got exported outside of their country.

[@ArmUkraine]

Challenger is probably better than the Leclerc as said Leclerc has an auto loader.

[@adrien5834]

@@ArmUkraine Auto-loader's a plus in my book. If you want the capability to fire on the move, then you want the capability to reload on the move.

[@Not-a-French-guy]

@@ArmUkraine It’s a Western style auto loader, not a Soviet auto loader, the ammo and the loading system of the Leclerc are as safe than any western built tank. It’s a bit less armored tho.

[@ArmUkraine]

@@adrien5834 yeah but you also have the capability to become a space ship on the move

[@ArmUkraine]

@@Not-a-French-guy and that is also an issue. The Leclerc, save the ariete, is the least armoured nato tank, meaning it’s auto loader is even more vulnerable

[@TheAcreanCandidate]

As an American, I Vow to Thee, My Country goes so hard. It's place as a patriotic song for the UK is really reminiscent to that of America the Beautiful for me, where I think it's the better song when compared to the actual national anthem and wish it got changed. Idk why I posted this comment on a Lazer Pig video after hearing the first three measures of the aforementioned song, but I'm sure at least one person will find the complete nonsequetor funny.

[@TalesOfWar]

A lot of people prefer that or Jerusalem to God Save the King/Queen. It's used as the Rugby Union anthem "World in Union".

[@teaser6089]

3:25 Ah yes the accuracy of the rifled barrel, which is less accurate when firing APFSDS because APFSDS has fins and therefore doesn't like to be pre-spinned which can cause instability midflight. Obviously it still works fine, but isn't ideal. Yes I am aware the Chally has the longest kill distance non the less.

[@rhystaylor851]

I think one of the big contributors to the myth of invincible Western MBTs is that they've been operating exclusively under air & artillery superiority in recent memory. Their performance in UKE is just more reflective of the realities of modern peer conflict. Chally 2 can body any Russian tank any day, but it'll struggle alone against KA-52's, artillery batteries, and drone swarms (like LP said).

[@598019001]

I think the myth of Western MBT invincibility is interesting, The first time that burnt our challenger showed up, the amount of dooming I saw was surprising, I feel like people have gotten so used to western tanks dominating opponents in near optimal conditions that they have forgotten that Tanks... Take casualties, Nothing is invincible, the enemy has a say and shit will go wrong and at some point ot feels like people forgot that.

[@Menolly1233]

Unlike the Brams, a nearly 50 year old design still bodying tanks. Oh wait, that's Bradley's, not a tank.

[@johnassal5838]

True and it seemed like Ukraine was among the few to realize there would be no war ending lightning advances without total air superiority. In fact I'd go one step further and suggest that the especially methodical advance with frequent long defensive pauses we saw even before the conservative circus interrupted US aid signals that they wouldn't necessarily pursue a fast resolution to this conflict even if they could. History makes it clear that Russia is just going to attack again in five or ten years anyway. The only realistic remedy might be to inflict a WW1 style Lost Generation in Russia that makes it impractical for them to go on the offensive again in the next twenty or thirty years. In the meantime Russia is almost exclusively tied to rail lines limiting their paths to advance. I suspect this underlies a lot of what may seem unnecessarily slow progress for Ukrainian forces.

[@TheRezro]

You are aware that operating under air and artillery superiority is how tanks SHOULD operate? War in Ukraine show how relying only on Tanks like in video game, would end with horrible looses. Looses when Western MBT's were used without proper doctrine, show that it is third world countries war. Aligator work only because Ukraine lack air defense and for short time, because it get it. Artillery and drone swarms are actually poor man army solutions, when you lack NATO style air superiority.

[@TheRezro]

@@Menolly1233 It is because Russian tanks are a shit. This war prove nothing.

[@thescotslair]

bro I thought Boeing got you, you haven't uploaded in months

[@logansmall5148]

Pig knows better than to badmouth Boeing... their critics have a habit of dying in strange ways lately.

[@wulfleyn6498]

Its ability to make soup inside the vehicle is probably a big bonus.

[@Mr00Chief00]

Can anyone tell me the title of the film shown at 43:06 into the video, it looks so ridiculous I'd love to see it and have a laugh :)

[@Alvi410]

As an Italian i approve the description of the Ariete. Sadly Accurate. But he is still trying his best... and failing... but you know... Its better than an M13/40 for the most part. We fielded worse tough... could have been a VCC-1.

[@williambeisel5686]

I say you guys bring back the L3/33 Carro Veloce and CC

[@brainyskeletonofdoom7824]

The Ariete still has some points going for it, it's not a complete failure, just a compromise for a country that doesn't really know if it wants tanks or not

[@williambeisel5686]

@@brainyskeletonofdoom7824 definitely, I think it’s a combination of the cost of running a domestic tank program and Italian armour doctrine has historically been more defensive based made for Italian terrain rather then offensive

[@MadplumMadplum]

Mamma mia

[@murphy7801]

It's ok guys your buying into the UK's next gen fighter program that's gonna work out 😂

[@jloiben12]

The “problem” Ukraine is having with their Western tanks is that the Western tanks didn’t get sent with their most important feature: American air power

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Air power can't clear minefields. Ukraine has minefields 5x as deep as breaching doctrine allows for. Unless you plan to fly over the mines and air drop the tanks behind enemy lines, there's nothing you can do. You will hit a mine, the assault force gets bogged down, artillery and FPV crews will be able to make a move without air power countering them.

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@@ChucksSEADnDEADbut what it can do is make sure mine clearing equipment isnt getting shot at At least by artilery

[@jloiben12]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Oi vey. I see the capacity for thought is not something you have. When I say that the Western tanks weren’t sent with their most important feature, that feature being American air power, what do you think I mean when I say that? Your own response demonstrates the validity of what I said and I just don’t think you understand what you are saying because the argument you are making contradicts the posturing you are doing

[@winzyl9546]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD yes, that's why they have mine clearing vehicles... combined arms and all that.

[@Wolfbroa]

@@ChucksSEADnDEADyou clearly know nothing of war

[@MostlyPennyCat]

I have actually been glassed outside a pub at 3am and had to wait 5 hours in a&e...

[@sodaaccount]

And another amazing essay! Really looking forward to the next video you teased! (quite honestly too wasted to even recall the topic, but Im sure its gonna be great as always🤣)

[@madchad7385]

So I was at work the other day, doing night shift because that's the only work I could find, on a production line. It was "lunch time" (1am) and I gazed around the room, and observed a man drinking gamer supps. Out of a boob cup. I made sure to restrain my reaction, but man was that a surreal experience. edit: I HAVE A FURTHER UPDATE!!! I saw the man once again, and saw as he was going up the stairs, boob cup in hand, he slipped! tripping! his precious cup slipped from his fingers, cracking! woe and tragedy! he remarked "that's another 60 bucks..." stay tuned for further updates, in case he returns with another boob cup!

[@wouterke9871]

Kinda offtopic but appreciated

[@seanholtz3355]

So glad you explained why you were doing a night shift

[@TalesOfWar]

You should tell him they work best in pairs.

[@HardThrasher]

God I hope we get our shit together and at least double our tank fleet

[@sebastianthomsen2225]

hello! :)

[@kalashnikovdevil]

My lord, what will you do with ten whole functional tanks? (Kidding of course. It's not that bad yet. ...Is it?)

[@andrewmichaelson252]

Just wanna shine a little light on American perspectives. I think it’s pretty sweet that we neutered the Russian military for a relatively cheap price. However, domestically I think the US has MASSIVE issues that we need to address. I stand with the people who want freedom in Ukraine but unfortunately the US is in economic disaster right now. Housing is a pipe dream for most Americans. Gas and energy prices are through the roof and it’s not even summer time yet. Food costs have nearly doubled and the inflation is out of control. Not to mention the humanitarian crisis on the Mexican border with an rough ballpark of 16 million or so people coming over. Bottom line is we can’t afford it. The US is broke. Our politicians here do NOT care about the average American and instead send money overseas. That’s why there is so much resentment towards aid packages. It feels like we’re helping others while our own citizens struggle. I’m glad the EU is finally taking a stand and actually trying to meet their NATO commitments for GDP spending. It’s about time. The US is strong but the economy and internal issues right now are making it hard for us to want to back any proxy wars.

[@99zxk]

Anyone who thinks that Russian tanks are superior needs to look up the Iraq wars.