Shuttle HOT-591P Super Socket 7 Motherboard - Test/Repair/Upgrade

[@RetroTinkerer]

Hello, new subscriber here, nice video! Old 30pin SIMMs are 8bit wide so 2 were needed in 286 and 386 sx 16bit wide memory bus, 4 needed in 32bit wide 386dx and 486. 72pin DIMMs are 32bit wide, so only one is needed in 486 boards, 30 to 72pin adapters used 4 identical SIMMs to work as a DIMM on newer boards. Pentium had a 64bit wide memory bus so that is why two are needed. 168pin SD-RAM are 64bit wide so one is enough. I need to replace the caps on 2 boards like these I also have the ATX version with bulging caps, but I never had done something similar and I need some practice.

[@tony359]

Thank you Alberto! And thanks for the explanation - it makes perfectly sense. I indeed remember my 1992 386 DX needed 30-pin memory in multiple of 4 - I never realised it was because of the DX type. Soldering on motherboards is a bit tricky because of the thermal mass. Even a desoldering station only works up to some point. If you have a heat gun, try warming up the board from the back before desoldering - just be careful as heat guns are powerful and you don't want to damage components there.

[@ayan.debnath]

GREAT INFO

[@LuisGuzmanJr]

A year ago, I had ordered a generic PC for DOS and Windows gaming, however, the seller didn't mention the motherboard brand. I had a photo of the motherboard and zoomed in to identify it. I was able to find the brand based off the photo searching on the internet. I downloaded the manual and my research for video content on it landed me to your channel. I appreciate your pace and quality of information along with your presentation style of your repairs. Just revisiting the video after watching your latest video on the Shuttle Board. Keep up the great work.

[@tony359]

Thank you so much for your kind words! This is a very old video, I should have improved a bit since then! There is another Shuttle repair video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6OuZH6EfKmLrbc and another one is coming :)

[@LuisGuzmanJr]

@@tony359 I saw the latest video and I'm looking forward to the next one!

[@rodhester2166]

such a great video.. this gives new people a vision of what it is like to start out not knowing what every single jumper does and that they just need to do a little bit of research, The reward of success is much greater this way.

[@tony359]

Thanks for watching all my videos! 🙂

[@rodhester2166]

I will be. I work nights in networking and when I have time.. Its 5am here and I get off work at 6am.. Funny I am sitting here looking at my collection of old pc parts to repair.. lol@@tony359

[@alejandrocuevas2879]

Primer Gringo que no me hace dormir en sus videos, excelente!!!!

[@tony359]

ahah me alegro de que no te hayas quedado dormido! ¡gracias por ver!

[@recnas]

The EliteMT Chip next to the processor is the onboard cache, just in case you haven't found out already. And the 28-pin 300 mil SOJ next to it ist the TAG RAM.

[@tony359]

Thank you! I did not realise that, great to know!

[@cliffshockley4406]

I've definitely worked with several of this exact model board back in the day!

[@jasmijndekkers]

Nice motherboard Tony. I am happy that it works for you. Greetings from Steven from the Netherlands

[@tony359]

That was an old, cringey, video :) Thanks!

[@clementc2e10]

Looks fun. Fantastic 90s vibe. Brought back good old memories. 👍

[@dazamad]

I dont own a smd station. But another helpful is a sewing pin that has the colour ball on top. Solder doesnt stick to it much and i heat the hole with my iron and the push the pin through. I get a hole this way. Your method is a lot cleaner

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

Very nice video, very useful information as I might do the same to my mvp3 board, very nice attention to detail and also testing of old caps

[@tony359]

I really appreciate your feedback! This is an old video, I was still working on my recording and editing skills! (I still am!) 🙂

[@LynxCarpathica]

10:00 The voltage jumper by the bios chip most likely indicates Vpp voltage for the Flash EEPROM. You most likely know when it says Updating DMI Pool data - that is the PnP Data as far as I can remember - but regardless what it is, it is written into the BIOS Flash IC on Pentium and newer boards. However, I can't speak for late 486 mobos. EDIT - also for bios updates LOL Probably seen it in Necroware's video - so I guess you already knew this, but in case you did not, well, there you go :)

[@tony359]

Whenever someone comments on one of these old videos I feel sorry for the poor sound and edit quality! :) Thanks for watching! Yes I think eventually I discovered what that is for - but feedback is always helpful. Does that mean that if I set it to 12V, I could damage a 5V EEPROM?

[@LynxCarpathica]

@@tony359 consult the datasheets of the EEPROMs. Certainly not healthy. Edit vpp is literally programming voltage.

[@radionicretrofit]

Whitepawn from vogons:) Nice video.Keep up mate!

[@tony359]

Thank you a lot! Thanks for watching!

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

I have this and a similar p5bv3 that is constantly crashing in windows. Haven’t watched the video yet but i am very curios to see if a cap change could make my board stable again

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

Would have been interesting to see a stress test with prime95 and furmark before the cap change

[@tony359]

The thing with Windows is that each board requires its own drive/compact flash - we are spoiled by windows 10 nowadays! So I tend not to use windows on retro HW. I only have one installation and it’s for my Soho board but I understand this Shuttle is a good board so maybe I should make one for it too! Thanks for watching!

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

Have you tried using your soyo drive on other boards? Because I used my gigabyte socket 7 board cf drive easily on two other super socket 7 boards, this 591p and a dfi p5bv3 same chipset without problems. The chipset driver of this mvp3 is quite buggy though, if it wasn’t just bad caps on my board that made it crash.

[@tony359]

I think as long as the board is based on the same or similar chipset it's ok. But it's not as easy as Windows 10's :)

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

@@tony359 i did more testing, the other mvp3 board was stable, turns out some caps were bad, also one of the psus was too weak for k6-2 and voodoo2, 4 16mb ps/2 modules only works in exactly one order, cirrus logic pci gpu does not display after ide detect but matrox millenium does, socket 7 cpu voltage regulator gets too hot with k6-2 at 2.8v on ga586tv, but asus sp97-v stable at 2.4v undocumented jumper settings, but pci slots too short for voodoo2 sli and so on 😂 I will put it all in storage and stick to the shuttle 591p, k6-2 400 and voodoo3 2000, best combo for me I guess

[@supremakiles]

Hi! I have this Shuttle 591P, what is the size of the capacitors that need to be changed (the large ones)

[@tony359]

Hi - there are quite a few there. Anyone in particular? If you send me the code (like C123 etc) I can measure for you. Are the capacitors from your board missing? Bear in mind you don't always have to replace capacitors. It won't hurt but old capacitors doesn't mean they're bad! Thanks for watching!

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

I just installed this board with a k6-2 today after my other mvp3 dfi p5bv3 board kept crashing due to bad caps probably. By comparing the look of those two mobos this 591p seems to have more caps around the agp port. Maybe that’s why the 3.3v agp power supply is more stable on this board?

[@tony359]

I don't have a k6-2, I have been told numerous times I should get one to properly push those boards! :) I suppose the k6-2 is indeed a tough one to run on a socket 7 and not all boards like that. Does your other board run ok with DOS?

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

@@tony359 yeah the other board ran kinda ok in dos. But it had random reboots after the first boot screen, after detecting the IDE it rebooted and detected IDE again in a loop, but only after a restart, when the board was already got warm. It also got worse the warmer it got, the voodoo3 also makes quite some heat in an old baby at case. So I guess that the ESR of the caps got worse when it got warm as well. One cap was also bulging a lot. I believe these boards were one generation before the big cap plague of the socket A boards, so I guess the caps were already quite low in quality. I used a via kt266 in 2001 that died because of bad caps and overclocking 😂. So I am a bit traumatized by those Buggy via boards in win98. Because also the kt266 soutbridge was known to be very unstable. I am curious to see if the boards are more stable with new caps. I will order some caps for both boards soon.

[@tony359]

Oh well, if you see a bulged cap, then "let the capacitors in" :)

[@jorge7317]

Hello Tony, thanks for the video. Can you allow me to make you a question?. I'll receive tomorrow a gigabyte ga-5ax motherboard (super socket 7 ATX), so i have a modern ATX PSU Corsair vs650 from an old PC (in perfect working condition), it has 24Amps for the 5V rail + 150w. i'm a bit worried about connecting the modern atx psu to an older motherboard ATX and kill the board, Is there a problem if I do this?, i bet it is the same and nothing happens, but I prefer to ask. Im going to connect to the board a voodoo 3 2000 and a Sound Blaster AWE64 isa sound card+ in the future an AMD k6-2+ 570. Thank you for your time.

[@tony359]

Hi Jorge and thanks for watching! No, there isn't an issue with that. The board will only use what it needs. BUT. There is a but. If the board has a short for example, the whole 24Amps will flow to it and will likely result in a big bang. A smaller power supply may just warm up a chip without causing damage! :) There is a video on "let's fix computers" about that. If you have a smaller PSU to test the motherboard, it may be safer. But if you are sure that the MB works then no, you can use that PSU with no issues.

[@jorge7317]

@@tony359 youre welcome, i like this type of videos, I find them entertaining. Nice advice, i dint thought about that, If I didn't write you, I would have been entrusted to prove it. The motherboard is working, the seller sent me a video joining to windows, it recognice peripherals, joins windows, looking to the explore and MyPc but thats all, is not tested. The board comes from a green point, in spain we call to this a place where people left there electronics or whatever to recycle. The tower dosnt look really nice (not really bad too), yellowed and in the back side just a little bit corrosion, just a little bit (aparently not inside). this board is not cheap, the tower cost 70€, is a good deal if it is in good condition. With this information in mind, if you think you have to give me any advice ill check it. I dont know if the board can run with shorts of whatever, If it boots i dont think that there will be a possibility of a short or that it explodes (i dont know too much about electronics), i assume that the board cant run with a short?, I imagine it will turn off or not turn on at all. The main reason to change the psu is because i dont thrust in the one comes with the tower, i can power it and look if any chip gets hotter. in the other hand i think if it runs okey with the corsair this will be a test to know if it is in good condition or not. In Vogons i read two guys speaking about PSU and they were speaking about the ideal is a psu with more amps than 20, so i thought this one will be okey, but you tell that it is a lot, what is ideal amps for this ss7 board?. Thank for your time again.

[@tony359]

@@jorge7317 No, a motherboard won't work with a short. The VS650 is a 650W PSU, I don't think those even existed when Super Socket 7 was around - but I may be mistaken! The bottom line is that if there is a fault on the board, a more powerful PSU MIGHT make it a bit more spectacular. If the board is working, you should not have any issues! Enjoy your new SS7 board!

[@jorge7317]

@@tony359 you are correct, that PSU did not exist at that time, even Corsair brand im sure in a 99% did not exist at that time. i bought it like 5 years ago. Okey perfect!, that's very good news. Thank you for your time!

[@jorge7317]

@@tony359 its working ✌️😜, I haven't tested my power supply yet but it works. The only problem i have is i cant join to the bios, im using a vga-hdmi converter, the slowest resolution is 640x480, so i think bios has 340x because i press escape, press Y, then enter and it reboots.

[@giuseppeluccitelli6624]

Hi Tony Can you tell me what year this card came out? thank you

[@tony359]

Hello - I can see reviews online from 1998 so that should be the year. Thanks for watching!

[@giuseppeluccitelli6624]

@@tony359 could you send me the link of the card info please?? Thanks so much.

[@tony359]

@@giuseppeluccitelli6624 Assuming YT won't delete them: This is one: www.anandtech.com/show/134 This is another one: www.tomshardware.com/reviews/socket-7-board-review-july-1998,79-18.html

[@giuseppeluccitelli6624]

@@tony359 thank you so much Tony 😉

[@ayan.debnath]

In my Zida T530B Socket-7 motherboard, I can't find the jumper for AT/ATX switch!

[@tony359]

Can you find the board on TheRetroWeb?

[@ayan.debnath]

@@tony359 yes, it is Zida T530B

[@tony359]

@@ayan.debnath and does TRW show the jumper?

[@ayan.debnath]

@@tony359 No. Pls have a look

[@tony359]

theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/zida-t530b-s

[@chrisducati26]

Great video just subscribed

[@tony359]

Thanks Chris!

[@CaelThunderwing]

i had the HOT 637 , had to leave it behind when i had to move 3 years ago :/

[@tony359]

Awww - I love The 591P!

[@Voidsworn]

IDT C6 is WinChip :).

[@tony359]

C6?

[@Voidsworn]

@@tony359 A budget CPU "competitor" Centaur/IDT made them. I have a a new old stock IDT WinChip 2 200MHz (3x66MHz FSB. has 3d Now too). They were designed to be drop in replacements for single voltage CPU boards

[@tony359]

@@Voidsworn Ahhhh! I had to watch (my own!) video again to understand! :D So cool, I didn't know, never heard of those. Thank you! It's amazing how easy it was to "clone" those components back in the day! I'm wondering if this is not happening today because the chips have got too complex to replicate or maybe because of patents from AMD/Intel.

[@naib_stilgar]

I do not think P90s ever had the div bug, only 60/66 so your friend probably had a P60.

[@tony359]

I could not remember so I took a look on Wiki "The FDIV bug affects the 60 and 66 MHz Pentium P5 800 in stepping levels prior to D1, and the 75, 90, and 100 MHz Pentium P54C 600 in steppings prior to B5. The 120 MHz P54C and P54CQS CPUs are unaffected" So it affected P60 to P100. That said, I cannot be 100% sure it was a P90. That is what I have in mind but it's a 1992 memory! :) Thanks for watching!

[@scalamasterelectros3204]

Dose it have a turbo baton

[@tony359]

I don’t think so, I’ll check and let you know! I think turbo buttons disappeared around the pentium era.

[@scalamasterelectros3204]

Yes let me know because a motherboard like this with atx power agp port and isa is super rare iff it has a turbo batton you have a find off a life time And i just chect and this motherboard is at almost the end off the at style

[@tony359]

@@scalamasterelectros3204 I'm afraid there is no turbo button on this one! Sorry!

[@jonchapman6821]

A socket 7 board with a BIOS from 2000? Edit: And it wasn’t the latest BIOS? 🤯

[@tony359]

ahah - I had to watch that section again to remember what happened! Weird indeed, particularly the 2001 version of it! Thanks for watching!

[@dominiquejacob6406]

Thick MB and leadfree solder : à big deal for desoldering

[@tony359]

indeed! I now pre-heat boards or use the hot air to help. That said, some viewers pointed out that those boards might be from the pre-lead-free area. Thanks for watching, sorry for the bad audio :)

[@dominiquejacob6406]

@@tony359 Not so bad ! I didn't notice anything🤭 Northridgefix on his channel adds some leaded solder before desoldering ; it mixes with the unleaded and lows the melting temperature

[@tony359]

@@dominiquejacob6406 Sorry, I was not clear. I learnt from this experience and now I pre-heat the board and use hot air - I didn't do that on this video. I also usually add leaded solder but in this case the motherboard's ground planes were sinking all the heat! :) I follow northridgefix too :)