Food Chain Magnate - Shut Up & Sit Down Review

[@madifinley7018]

In my life I'm sure I could never find anyone to play this game with but the review was entertaining as hell.

[@jahismighty1576]

you can play with other people asynchronously online on a site sanctioned by the game creators: play.boardgamecore.net/

[@adrianbierwirth1541]

Eric Finley p p

[@MyStranger10]

i own the game and i know that feeling :(

[@000GunterGabriel000]

I guess playtime is an issue for some. How about kicking that "we dont know when the game ends"-thing and going for a short version? Better than playing not at all, right? And when everyone is hooked you can still add it again.

[@junosynth]

Thats me and mage wars. lol

[@dejavuman22]

Has anyone noticed how it seems that some board games grossly underestimate the amount of time it actually takes to play, even if you know the game?

[@ihappy1]

they really do, the boxes might say 1 hour, and realistically it winds up taking 3. I feel like it's done for marketing purposes, you think a game might be reasonably quick but once you've bought it you're stuck with the longer game time. Which isn't necessarily bad to me, if the game is good, but if it's a drag and the box lied I feel a little cheated.

[@IoFoxdale]

Alot of the time it's because the people making those estimateshave played the game a whole lot so their playthroughs are really fast.

[@Panquernic]

I believe it's also part of a psychological factor. If you did not have a watch and at the end of a certain game one would ask how much time has passed, would you guess correctly? Would you guess "two hours" if you were really not paying attention at time but at the game? I think is much better that they underestimate the time, otherwise people would go "OMG 3 HOURS? NO WAY!", and they might really enjoy the game but "their time is too precious"

[@Trynant]

A lot of board gamers end up saying a game is X amount of minutes or hours "box time" because of how different the numbers can be. Analysis paralysis can destroy any suggestion the cardboard box has for game time, and there are definitely some games that are a mental slog until a handful of plays or more. I'd wager games with a bigger skill ceiling tend to underestimate playtimes the most because the designer and play testers are giving you a time after you get over the initial "what do I do in this strange weird new game" hump. Food Chain Magnate is actually fairly on the ball about it's playtime. Tash-Kalar: Arena of Legends says it plays in 30 minutes, and trying to figure out how that is possible is almost as difficult as trying to make a good move in that game :P

[@dejavuman22]

A fair point. I often experience that "What do I do with this strange new game" every time I pull out axis and allies. lol I keep wanting to get rid of it, but my girlfriend insists I should hold onto it.

[@jakebit9467]

"It's my turn now, BUSINESS" is maybe my favourite line in all of SUSD

[@andredevilliers7825]

It's up there with "Chin chin, mine's a lumpy one."

[@esbech]

It’s rare to be able to say that just one word completely sold me on a board game, but “BUSINESS” was definitely such a case.

[@proof2580]

The "man enjoys garden lifestyle" scene was far more entertaining than it had any right to be. That's something of a SU&SD signature I'm realizing. (cramming entertainment into the smallest things, i mean - not men in gardens...)... That and hilarious similes... and being so generous with the word 'generous'...

[@theBoonarmies]

I literally sing this same egg song whenever I make eggs now. Send help.

[@zacharybarbanell1064]

You know, I've watched this like 5 times, and I only now got the joke in the opening skit. The joke being that in FCM, billboards affect only houses that they are directly adjacent to, which is just... not how billboards work.

[@phillipmillman3290]

I found playing FCM like watching an Ingmar Bergman film: punishing, unforgiving, brutal and uncomfortable. However I felt spirituality rewarded having played (the next day tho). It also has a very serious runaway leader problem.

[@pastorkris]

You are making the PERFECT reviews. It shows exactly the moments thereviewers should focus on. The emotions, the mechanics. It is just amazing how perfect you are describing my feeling about those games. It matches my conclusions almost 1:1.

[@Brewmaster103]

This is easily one of my favorite SU&SD episodes! I have watched it at least 4 times on the last month or two. Makes me want to pick up this game each time! I did actually see it in stock at my local game store and I swooned with excitement!!

[@mongoosethe]

"Antonio get's fired." was so good I almost want to write it on my box as a custom tagline.

[@Jaaj2009]

Matt in the garden at the end is too perfect

[@AhJong0]

Absolutely SU&SD cold hard classic stuff. I remember watching this review years ago and hoping one day to play, thanks to the powers of BGG trades I’m close to closing my excited fingers around this monstrous beast 😄

[@osrsgold2547]

Did you play it yet? :0

[@AhJong0]

@osrsgold2547 lol I did - through the power of trades no less! It was excellent but hasn't hit well with my group as it is the meanest non-direct aggression game I've come across. The lack of luck makes it particularly brutal. I'm a big fan but I'm worried it'll end up in the pile with 'Space Alert' of "games I adore and my group will not play."

[@Grizabeebles]

For playing FCM I recommend buying some business card holders for all the cards because it saves a TON of table space and replacing the paper money with poker chips because they're so much more durable and convenient than paper money.

[@C3R341K1LL3R]

Impressive, very nice. Now let’s see Paul Allen’s corporate structure.

[@dukedenning]

" I buy what I want " I like this vid for this sentence before I even finish watching it lol.

[@margaritoamargo6347]

I want an "unhappy meal".

[@tubbstubbs.5311]

like a fish in a pocket.

[@ericmulvihill]

Thank you so much for the reviews.. so entertaining. So glad you're on KZbin now!

[@styfen]

8:49 I do indeed have a garden, in one of the most popular holiday destinations in Northern Europe. And it has a dog. And she'll bark at you for free. Feel free to swing by any time.

[@TheMorrigan31]

The second I saw that The Wicked + The Divine poster I started loving you guys even more than before! One of the best comic series I've ever read, it's way too underrated!

[@57thorns]

The answer to "how long" is to see you game night as a social gathering and not a chore. You are going to spend the whole Saturday evening with your friends having fun, chatting, making dinner etc. You start off with this game, and if it takes 2 hours, you play another game that you know will take about two hours, and if it takes 4 hours, you fire up the bbq and start prepping the food.

[@leeprice133]

Yeah, I'd have no issues playing a really good game that goes on for a long time with my regular group who are pretty serious hobbyist gamers and that's clearly who FCM is aimed at. That said, at least a few comments here do seem to suggest that it has quite a serious runaway winner problem and if a game is going to be really long, it kind of has to be fun for *everyone* at the table. I think most people struggle to have fun in a four hour competitive game if it's obvious that they can't win, or even come close to winning, by the two hour mark.

[@57thorns]

​@@leeprice133 That is the issue with many games, many 18xx games, Through the Ages, Food Chain magnate all "suffer" from "every turn matters". You solve this by helping those that are new to the game, or by admitting that the game is a learning experience. If people are equally matched (and good enough to not play the worst moves) the leader runaway will not be an issue. Also, in my experience, FCM does not really suffer from leader runaway. While every turn matters, the game can be swung in the last few rounds if you have a long game that can be adapted to overcome the current leader.

[@leeprice133]

@@57thorns yeah that's entirely fair and I'm not personally in a position to judge whether or not it's as much of a problem for FCM as some people say.

[@leonzuendel123]

THE OPEN DRINKS ON THE TABLE MAKE ME SO ANXIOUS

[@lordquaggan]

I'm seeing a few people here saying they really disliked the game due to small mistakes causing them to fall way behind and the game to be unwinnable, and thought I might throw in my two cents after playing: I agree the game is cut-throat and mistakes are punished, but I actually really enjoyed that aspect - sure it was obvious I had no chance of winning half-way through the game but compared to some other games like 7 Wonders or Dominion when the game suddenly ends and I'm left confused where it all went wrong, I love how its so clear how I could play better next time - can't wait to play this again using what I learned.

[@ethan5354]

0:56 NOOO YOU CAN SEE THE CAMERAMAN NOO WHY HATH THOU FORSAKEN US

[@Thiefwriter]

That intro was so wholesome!

[@gabrielkay3454]

This video makes so much more sense after playing food chain magnate! Spot on and great review.

[@KesSharann]

The smallest of Splotter games that still fills a table and then some.

[@nickolasevans8602]

Finally got to play this yesterday and it is a love it or hate it game. I liked making the corporate structures that decide what actions you take during the turn. But this game has a ridiculous amount of action paralysis that grinds everything to a halt three times a turn as people decide who to hire that turn, who to train that turn, where and what to advertise. It can't be stressed enough that this game punishes any misplay and make you regret a move you made two turns into the game. Not a fan of this game but I can totally see why you guys liked it.

[@toasToaTs]

AP for news obviously but with familiarity the AP goes down drastically

[@lainiwakura44]

Most useful comment. Thank you.

[@dustbitten]

This may have convinced me not to buy the game. My playmate hates losing so much that we’ve made the running joke that playing Risk is more accurately Risk... your relationship. Some competitive games have proven to be fine but we shifted to playing mostly cooperative games because I was so traumatized. It’s a shame because he’s a marketing major and I think he would get a kick out of this, but cutthroat for 2-4+hrs? I don’t think so...

[@khorn102]

"An uncontrollable lust for meat" lust in its most traditional form.

[@Elwirfy]

You just kind of go, "It's my turn now... BUSINESS"

[@PaulSmith-qs1es]

When I played this game, I started out winning by a little, then I was winning by quite a bit, then I was winning by more than everybody else had together. That's not a good design for a long game in my opinion.

[@KissellMissile]

That is not a terrible design if that process takes, say, 20 minutes, and not 2 hours.

[@toasToaTs]

That's a great design IMO. I want the better person to win. I don't want to spend a long time seeing who lady luck favors more. You can always concede if you feel like the game is a forgone conclusion. But this game has different power arcs too. I've seen someone win who had no money until the last couple turns.

[@lainiwakura44]

Second best comment. Thank you.

[@rachelandryan]

This is the finest game ever designed, revealing a deep and rewarding experience with multiple plays. It doesn't hold your hand like a lot of other inferior games. I recently played a 4 player of this with my family. They loved it and have requested another session.

[@kraavenhalftusk6121]

love the reviews, informative and funny, you deserve so many more subscribers....well you just got one more.

[@MrBINGEBOY]

If only I had a friend to play with

[@absol1975]

Be careful wishing for a garden, Quinns! It'll take up one of the three desires in your life, and you'll only have space for two more!

[@Blaklyte-TV]

My god, I probably watched this video 3-4 times and it's the first time I noticed your t-shirt Quinn, I approve!!!!!

[@petermuir8762]

2-4hr is short to mid game mode, it can go longer.

[@DjFIL007]

Looks great. But I'm afraid it would fall victim of my other heavier (and long playtime) games, forgotten on my shelf.

[@supersilverjnr9683]

Always love the content guys! Have bought so many games after you're reviews!

[@Aerinx]

They are indeed reviews

[@aaronbennett3966]

Who knew "Gosh Lemonade" could be so scary?

[@siouxwire]

I have a garden.

[@PiningAway462]

Just got my copy of FCM can't wait for watching it sit on my shelf while I find people to play it with

[@anerdfrommars1566]

The part where he said "you could hire a crack marketing team" had me laughing cause the only thing I thought of is oh no the business is failing what do we do oh I know lets market some crack!

[@DarkLeviathan8]

god I love this intro

[@Son0fAggression]

How is this game so damn ugly and still so immensely expensive

[@lainiwakura44]

Splotter

[@aaronfirewing9196]

That ending 😂

[@Gekoman333]

Be My Baby: The Very Best of the Ronettes Very cool choice. *sips milkshake while wearing sunglasses*

[@Flailmorpho]

I read that as "eggs are for terfs"

[@ChimeratAlpha]

After re-watching this for an unknown amount, I am now wondering: Any plans to review the expansion?

[@shutupandsitdown]

We usually talk about expansions on the podcast www.shutupandsitdown.com/podcastle/podcast-103-welcome-to-the-ketchup-age/

[@ChimeratAlpha]

@@shutupandsitdown Ooh. Thank you! :D

[@jacencade4019]

Makes egg like a freaken psychopath

[@ChimeratAlpha]

Now he might have a Garden, but he does have to pay double for his food. ;)

[@SuperCROivan]

My house has a garden, call me Quinns *wink*

[@aalever]

I have a Garden! It's for my spaniel.

[@tommessig2060]

if it wasn't $100 then maybe.

[@pixxelwizzard]

Ordered this on NerdzDay 2022 but I'm only now getting around to watching this. It's not the type of game I typically play, as I highly value RNG and don't care so much for cut throat mechanics. But all the hubbub about this game got to me, and now this video makes me even more excited to give it a try. Can't wait! :)

[@jamesderiven1843]

How did it go?

[@pixxelwizzard]

@@jamesderiven1843 Gonna be a while before I get this to the table.

[@gamineglass]

I love you guys.

[@partypao]

Breakfast Egg - $11,000 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Qudaci]

uuuuh, I just LOVE the credit Tee

[@NoahNathanson]

Great review, thanks! Want to play this, want to own it... need to find interested people locally!

[@SpoonyBard88]

I miss making eggs for good friends...

[@anonleft]

Because you're not a twerp! Still cracks me up

[@margaritoamargo6347]

These guys grew on me like a bad case of shingles.

[@interghost]

Looks really good, but sure I could play a board game for 4.5 hours??? :(

[@joshtargo6834]

y u make me want to buy every game?

[@mattrodda1975]

Wow. Really pushed the boat out on the artwork there.

[@benjaminnadeau7305]

This game is better and better each time I play it

[@nickbrown8892]

And today you can pledge a lot of real cash for the mega bastard deluxe version of this excellent game

[@D_veraz]

Wow... wonder about a game you have just found out and find that SUSD has a review for it and in KZbin?! And where is the other guy?! Its been a long time i guess...

[@82588LukeAriel]

Paul? He moved to Canada. He still does reviews, but they're less frequently done with Quinns. They did just do Inis together, though.

[@RicBret]

Hey! Get off my lawn!

[@egoDEATH33]

I wish I had a garden...

[@HITFORDCYCLE1]

Awesome stuff. This game has intimidated me but it sounds like it is not super heavy?!

[@patrickwall6316]

Can you guys please take a look at Splotter's 'Bus' - capstone-games.com/board-games/bus/ It was the first worker placement game ever and got a reprint in 2019 by Capstone. It is simple, mean, and easy to play - a delicious under-the-radar gem. A review would be amazing (the Hansa Teutonica treatment).

[@shutupandsitdown]

www.shutupandsitdown.com/podcastle/podcast-101-donkeys-behind-enemy-lines/

[@patrickwall6316]

@@shutupandsitdown cheers

[@economicboardgames]

Great video 👍 very very entertaining.

[@Eron_the_Relentless]

I have a garden. Nothing grows, mind you, but it's there. really just a patch of dirt I water. i don't know why...

[@egoDEATH33]

have you heard about the desire among garden citizens for "biochar" TM?

[@PaxPirate]

Aaaaw, poor Quins!!

[@Marco9603]

How in hell is this game worth 100 bloody dollars !?

[@Marco9603]

Welcome to Canada. The cheapest I've seen this game is 125$. Most of the time it hovers around 135.

[@82588LukeAriel]

I saw it for 160 at my FLGS in Canada. Obviously, you can get it cheaper online, but that only means 120.

[@KissellMissile]

It is so expensive because they insist on doing tiny print runs.

[@carolinarobles7599]

@@KissellMissile But why?? Why do they do that? I don't get it, tons of people would buy it if it wasn't this expensive

[@KissellMissile]

@@carolinarobles7599 it's always easier to keep doing what you are doing than to find new ways of doing things.

[@sl_v4856]

I once made a game similar to this

[@nicholaskandas]

About that, "the game finishes with a bang" thing. I strangled the economy by making money then driving the price of everything so low, I started paying people to eat my burgers while everyone else couldn't sell anything and they slowly went bankrupt. Then when they fired off too much staff I could sell burgers for a dollar a pop and slowly drain the bank. Oh and I bought all the waitresses. So, uh, they just agreed that I'd won, instead of waiting the many hours my surefire plan would take to actualize.

[@Downloaded7]

This vs Imperial 2030?

[@robotitalian6011]

"Kokie kola"

[@FranciscoCostaHideOut]

This, this was great :)

[@guybrushthreepwood9071]

Jeroane Dohm'n?

[@vtsirkinidis]

why is your logo an orange pear? asking the real questions here

[@csudab]

Matt has a garden that big?! In Balham?!

[@jful]

partially

[@KWHere2]

Heeeeeey! The Wicked + The Divine!

[@Alluvian567]

Really surprised this didn't get a similar visual bashing that Ethnos did. Although the theme of this one is interesting, the visual appeal of the game is less than original monopoly to me. This is a deathly ugly game, even going for that 50s and 60s art style, it could have used so much more color. Goodness this game is unattractive.

[@psychodeli]

For me the art style is what made me look at it again. I love the minimalist 50's look and the somewhat cheap design. Exactly like thinks in the 50's were :D

[@BardicLiving]

What really bothers me is the paper money.

[@000GunterGabriel000]

@@BardicLiving Pokerchips?

[@TheSludgeMan]

Totally disagree. The game looks fantastic.

[@R0CKDRIG0]

Judging only by the review, I think it looks great! The only thing I don't like is the "board" itself, which is too empty; but the cards remind me of Fallout and, thank god, the pieces are far from generic cubes.

[@Kraigon42]

Just listening to how the game plays reminds me how much bile I have for modern society and businesses.

[@rodolfojimenez5503]

I have a garden 😉

[@heck_n_degenerate940]

In conclusion, it’s a great game, likely a classic. However, it does have one downside, which is the length is dynamic because players can choose the length? Wait, did I understand that correctly? note: I think that reserve mechanic would work great for people who have become comfortable playing the game together, or are just lucky with what’s chosen. Maybe you could house rule it with reserves being revealed *immediately* after selection, or everyone agrees on total reserves in the open instead. That could help preventing people being caught off guard if that would otherwise detract from the rest of the game.

[@Thesussysuscat]

Cokey cola

[@barbaobardo2692]

Ok, so this costs 100 bucks, looks like a prototype and has paper money like monopoly? Yeah... I'm out!

[@thomanarchos]

judging a game purely by its components is just... shallow.

[@dylanmcla]

I think it's more questioning where did the 100 dollars go

[@Bodyknock]

thomanarchos I didn't get it either because of the price. Not because I don't think the components are bad but because for the price of the game I could get two or three other games I would probably like just as much. For me to want to spend that much money on a single game it would have to be something that REALLY makes me interested in playing it.

[@MsSagittariusA]

Barba o Bardo I think it is a combination of the size or the publisher, and location more then the game.

[@KissellMissile]

It's not shallow. People (some) play games not just for mechanics, but for a comprehensive immersive experience. Components are a part of that.

[@Darthvegeta8000]

Looks visually awful.

[@delcameron]

These guys fired rahdo.

[@gomezthechimp1116]

There`s something deeply strange about those rhado reviews. Strange and weird. And a bit creepy. Perhaps it`s just me.

[@ThatGuy53297]

That garden looks extremely boring.

[@lunarservant6781]

“i’m getting you a hamburger!” “why??” “Because you’re not a twerp!”

[@heatrez1518]

I have a garden.

[@jergarmar]

GREAT review. Definitely contributed to my enthusiasm and eventual acquisition of Food Chain Magnate, and let me tell you, the game DELIVERS. As SU&SD mentioned, for how "heavy" and "serious" the game is, it's singularly easy to learn and play.

[@Derpplup]

Goes to buy the game* why must it be 136 dollars

[@Patrick-bu5xe]

It's 186 now

[@raymondhorn1052]

I come from the future! I am here to let you know the game is gonna be rereleased!

[@EzFlyers10]

15:40 - that was me. i absolutely hated it, lol.

[@imjustsomeguy72]

16:34 Honestly can't tell if Quinns is crying, or trying frantically to stop himself from laughing.