Shy and Fearful Dogs with JJ Belcher

It is very common for shelter dogs to come from traumatic backgrounds. In this video, JJ Belcher explains how to not encourage shy and fearful behavior, but to condition the dog to help the it deal with the real world.
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[@PARoth2011]

I rescued an 18mo old GSD in Dec (she knew nothing), as her 4th home her biggest issue was fear of abandonment and extreme anxiety and shyness around others. It is now her 4th month with me and after daily training and lots of daily ball playing she is strong, athletic and much more secure but most of all she has structure and knows I’m the leader and she can relax. We go to obedience and scent work classes,where her shyness has gone down, she finally knows that when I say stay and walk out the door that I will return. We didn’t coddle her one bit even though I totally adore her. I am so proud how she has grown in confidence as our relationship through training has become solid. The important thing is to be patient, she just learned how to play with stuffed toys with squeakers a week ago, I was so surprised to see her carry the toy around. These rescues are not like the dogs you buy and train as puppies, she learned how to play ball on her third day with me, they learn on a very different bell curve. When we go to classes she is behind pups half her age and that’s ok. She has come a long way and I couldn’t be happier.

[@ilciavo]

The most important element is gaining and reinforcing your dog’s confidence … thank you for the video

[@deniseracine6788]

As the owner of a very fearful 4 lb maltese adopted as a retired breeder I appreciate your ideas. I have had dogs for 30 years but this is a totally new challenge for me!

[@KindCountsDeb3773]

same for me. Some training videos start with dogs that are further along or better than my poor little chi. I will not give up.

[@chriserony]

How are they doing? Have you seen improvement over time?

[@preethikrao]

@@KindCountsDeb3773 going through the same difficulty. Rescued my new pet from the road and she is already around 6 or 7 years old... took months for her to just allow me to pet her without her scooting or shivering. I've managed to put a collar but she goes hysterical and bites through the leash if I try to walk her... but I'm not giving up either. :) All the best with your little one.

[@KindCountsDeb3773]

@@chriserony I have. Benny is not exactly cuddly, but he loves me to massage and love on him. He sleeps in my bed and is bonded to me. He's not a "kissy" type dog, but I do love him and will keep trying to teach him. He wags his tail and seems happy.

[@KindCountsDeb3773]

@@preethikrao Thanks, same to you. I put a collar leash on a dog and just let them drag it around them in the house. I also lay if near them to show them its safe. Go online and find tips for training. Loving, petting on a scared dog can help. Never discipline too harshly, make it more of a learning experience. And good luck!

[@24spokes15]

Great video, I find I have to be assertive to stop strangers from 'ambushing' my nervous dog in public places. They want to say Hi to the dog but respecting boundaries helps the dog gain confidence.

[@callieverde5799]

the best video i've seen on this topic. it is a delicate balance, especially with a dog i don't know well yet, to find the edges of the comfort zone without crossing those boundaries. i find it is impossible to go too slowly for my timid girl, but that is much better than me setting her back by rushing her.

[@ibayiish8148]

I have a 13 week old puppy, she’s completely nervous in new environments. We keep taking her out, I have heard different things about if the puppy is not confident then it’s bad breeding, if she’s not confident she’ll never get confident, and it’s really important for me for her to be confident, the idea is that we’ll take her out with us and that she’s comfortable in all environments. I was beginning to think she’s never come around but based on your ideas there’s hope and that’s what I’m looking for!

[@arashrkarimi]

I have same feeling about my puppy. I am afraid he will be never confident. How is your puppy now?

[@JG-zy6cg]

Best video I have found on this subject. Thanks for the info!

[@CamillaHolm]

This is a really good video about how to be with shy and nervous dogs! I have a lot of experience, but still browsed for tips. Sometimes when you have a new dog, and new challenges, you can feel daunted and almost like a beginner again. Almost everything said in the video are things i "know", but right now needed to hear from someone else. Also I found the part about not letting strangers give the dog treats a bit of an eye opener. As someone who trains with (mostly food) rewards, and also one of the most common tips you get when you have a shy pup, is to let others give treats, this is something I've practiced, but will rethink. Your thoughts on this, and how it can put the dog in a situation that makes it insecure, were very helpful to me.

[@jannellmeagher638]

I have been working with my rescue GSD for almost 2 yrs. I feed 💯 raw, have a holistic vet. Our dog will be turning 3. I have done exactly what you suggest. We train everyday in low distraction areas. Structure, long line, recall, games, but I feel so defeated. Will my dog go through cues? Yes, but he rushes, sits on his tail. I feel absolutely defeated as I do not see progression at all. I feel he is in that back part of his brain. We train house, backyard, front yard, and now a quiet field. If he sees another dog, game over. Even from a distance. I never give up, but I feel defeated. I know he is scared or dog reactive. He loves his Lab brother, but I need help. In fight or flight he is flight.

[@alexpuchala]

Thank you, reassuring to know that we are doing a good job with our fearful retired greyhound ☺️

[@Brandy_j5]

Very informative and detailed. Thank you for your expertise 😊

[@lianneclarke887]

My dog has always been fearful and nervous which with other dogs can be aggressive most of the time with people he’s grand if you let him come to you but he’s always been well socialised and never abused sometimes it can be just genetics in my opinion .

[@MrOmarfkhalil]

You had a great perspective about using food as a motivator. I did it as you described and I can IMMEDIATELY see the results! Great explanation, thank you!

[@Stargirl_-wz8ub]

I totally respect this! My gut instinct was this exact approach but wanted to explore ideas and see what trainers are saying etc. and I found this! I have an 8 month old Formosan Mountain dog mix and she's extremely shy. I can see her making progress each day and I truly believe it's because I'm building confidence by giving patience while encouraging small bits of new experiences. Giving her control but also leading with example.

[@dogbehavior420]

Good stuff! Keep in mind nature, the way we approach, touch and handle as well how and where we touch. Never from over the top or on the back always underneath under the chin lifting upwards builds self confidence, never let strangers or anyone approach freely or reach out in a manner as mentioned above. These are a few simple things to keep in your now expanding mind.

[@CamilleGG451]

This is so lovely and makes so much sense. 🥰 Great information- thank you!

[@rebornbabylovely]

At all times you must never push a shy or nervous dog past there shreshold

[@grahamrowland6681]

I have told people about the stranger giving food was good, I think it has a place but your explanation was really good and probably the best place to start. Thanks

[@levivue8972]

Nice video Shia

[@shannondavidson1886]

This is so damn good.

[@daleenalberts5829]

JJ I love your video.

[@02Huntet]

Nice so basically consistency

[@jozeng1318]

Great video!, Thank you for sharing.

[@natalie-joflynn2546]

ok I need help my Boy Became traumatized 3 mos ago after the neighbors blew off M80s, now I have an American Bulldog so timid and frightful and has NO confidence... Vet only gave tranquilizing meds... I dont want a drugged dog. Id like some suggestions. Trying alot of things with CBD, little to no help. TIA

[@dougiequick1]

Dog's have to get over their own fear if you ask me ....all you can do is make it as easy possible ....they just blow things up in their minds. have to figure out smallest steps until they can choose to confront their fear...best training aid if you ask me is another dog ...monkey see monkey do

[@clegg334]

Excellent advice. I'm dealing with a rescue that is fearful of everything, and won't take treats, and extremely untrusting people. I've had him for 3 weeks. Its exhausting and hurtful to see him so shit down He doesnt even like to be petted. Any advice is welcome. Tks cindy

[@HowardEugenie]

I had a dog like that. It took months and months of tiny baby steps and gentle experiences like he speaks about in the video. Just a million tiny victories. If you ask too much you will see a big regression. Its like 1 step forward 5 steps back. You have to be confident and calm. If you are nervous that your dog is going to react badly, and your body language and leash handling reflect that, it will send the dogs anxiety through the roof.

[@clegg334]

@@HowardEugenie thanks I have seen all you have said. I've made some small steps on 4 mths now. Its like nothing I have ever come across. He still wont take food from my hand, so he gets treats at his feet and I step away. Appreciate your advice.

[@silviamonz2062]

@@clegg334 my dog too wouldn't take treats from my hands so she didn't get any I offered ,she declined,I offered again she declined and each time I would leave with the treat only when she finally took it from my hands would I leave with her if you leave at the feet there is no incentive to come towards you,also as he does try this before breakfast/ dinner when the interest in food is greatest.

[@clegg334]

@@silviamonz2062 thanks for your reply, makes sense for sure.

[@aliciasalvato3261]

Sounds like the dog we adopted from a rescue. Took 4 mos for her to accept being touched. No interest in treats. We started with no eye contact and basically ignoring her , she. Would only eat when we left the room. She would not walk on a leash, it took over 2 months to have her walk on a leash. Stated by putting the leash on her and carrying her to the grass (she would not walk) she stood still for about 5 min . She finally started sniffing and walking some. She would stop if she felt any leash pressure. Now, a year later, she likes going for walks and she likes and looks for attention from only 3 people she knows. She takes treats from those people and she waits while we make her food and will eat while we are in the kitchen. She is still scared/timid of other people outside her circle and will not accept touch or treats from anyone other than the 3 people she knows. We still walk her around other people and dogs and she manages. I do have to ask people not to pet her.

[@MrAlbratroz]

Thanks! I can totally relate to the last aspects you mentioned in your video :)

[@joannhaddock8003]

Help...one of my many dogs was dumped in middle of nowhere (many coyotes etc) at about 3 months of age. We had to trap him. It took 5 days before he stopped growling at me and let me touch him. After I had him a month in a nice 10x10ft nice pen with a partial tarp on side and top, we had a storm and entire new heavy pen lifted and flew about 150 feet away. Luckily he stayed around and I carried him back after we moved pen back to same spot and now he refuses to leave it on a leash. Never in my many years of having many rescue dogs have I had this much trouble....

[@LeerburgDogTraining]

When people have specific training questions we recommend that they go to our website and post those questions in the ASK CINDY on the front page of leerburg.com . Cindy has been training dogs since she was a teenager and has competed in several dog sports at a regional and national level. She was also a vet tech and owned a boarding/training and grooming business for many years as well as breeding working Dobermans and Belgian Malinois under the kennel name Kaiserhaus. Questions posted to ASK CINDY are answered almost every day. They are also recorded in our systems if a dog owner has additional questions Cindy will review the previous Q&As and this helps her give better feedback and assistance. leerburg.com/newcontact.php

[@TanyaDiariez]

I have a shih Tzu and her healthy limit of treats is quite less , what to give her to train. She is a lot fussy eater.

[@MaryJean-c5p]

I just brought home a feral dog. I cannot even catch him to take him anywhere. He goes into straight panic.

[@romaranr1144]

My dog isnt scared if she sees only 1 person on the road near my house..if its more than 1 she loses it. She also gets scared if she sees a truck approaching our direction, or any delivery truck. She even got scared of my neighbour's new refrigerator at her house and a new wall shelf installed..it was new for her ..many things trigger her off and her reaction is to just bolt off. But if take her to the beach then she does much better on seeing new things possibly because she is in a playful mood. I dont know what to make of this.

[@chriserony]

Dog: Hey stranger, d-do you have treats? :D? N-no? N-no t-treat? Oh God, I'm so embarrassed. I'm never doing this again.

[@hammond5594]

My dog I rescued 2 months ago is still skittish and shuts down when I try to teach him anything, I've been doing food and no pressure since he arrived but he won't even poop in the yard still unless he is forced to he just stands in one spot wont move. If asked to sit he crawls to a corners and wont look at me, if I walk him through my dining room that's still to scary and he will scrabble on the floor like he can't grip and try to rush to his bed away from that room. I have been trying for weeks to teach him the yard is good and that he needs to go outside but he will hold his poops for 3 days at a ime till he can't anymore then go, at that point I reward him say good boy but then he goes straight back to holding his poop in for 3 days again, ive tried putting his bed in the dining room so it's a nice place but then he won't move from the bed if in that room unless I put a leash on him to move him, ive been trying to teach simple things like a sit and high five to help him gain confidence but soon as i try he shuts down again and sinks to the floor even if I show him the food, if he thinks he is getting anything remotely wrong or is confused by what I'm trying to teach his response is to sink to the floor and wait till I just either give him the food for nothing or go away. I don't know how to teach him if he shuts off to anything I try, i gave him space when he arrived for weeks, tried food, tried standing in the yard with him so he's not alone and leaving him with my other dog instead of me, tried using my other dog to show him its not scary and what to do but months on and he's if anything gotten worse

[@LeerburgDogTraining]

Have a training or equipment question? Reach out to Cindy via our Ask Cindy Portal on our website. She answers emails daily and will be able to give you specific advice and recommendations. leerburg.com/newcontact.php

[@Nomnomonurface]

My dog fears other dogs. Runs away and shaking. He got bitten by another dog when he was a puppy. I have tried giving treats when his less scared of them but he doesn't take the treats as his nervous. Any tips? Thanks

[@joesafi3486]

And what if he refuse treats even i changed too many kinds of treats and he refused to eat them !!!

[@masiguru9982]

What do you do when the dog runs from you trying to escape you? I cannot put a leash on him. Can't take her anywhere. How do you get a fearful/scared dog to let you approach? Avoiding eye contact and copious amounts of treats are not working. Handling the food with my hands to put my scent on it does not work. The dog just will not let anyone get close.

[@LeerburgDogTraining]

When people have specific training questions we recommend that they go to our website and post those questions in the ASK CINDY on the front page of leerburg.com . Cindy has been training dogs since she was a teenager and has competed in several dog sports at a regional and national level. She was also a vet tech and owned a boarding/training and grooming business for many years as well as breeding working Dobermans and Belgian Malinois under the kennel name Kaiserhaus. Questions posted to ASK CINDY are answered almost every day. They are also recorded in our systems if a dog owner has additional questions Cindy will review the previous Q&As and this helps her give better feedback and assistance. leerburg.com/qa/contact-cindy.php

[@fin1580]

I wish I watched this video 10 months ago...

[@audrawelsh8467]

What is your recommendation where I should take my dog first? She just shakes and pants wherever I take her outside of my neighborhood. I’ve been taking her to Petco, but I think that’s a bit too crazy for her right now because it takes her 20ish minutes to stop slinking around and panting. She adores peanut butter so I give her that everywhere new we go, but I’m not sure if that’s the correct thing to do. I’ve never trained a fearful dog and I don’t have any idea where to start. I try not to coddle her, so like I’ll have her look at me and then give her peanut butter once she’s gotten past shaking. Also, I’ll stop having people give her peanut butter! I never even though about why that wouldn’t be good

[@bickle8931]

Audra Welsh find a trainer.......

[@audrawelsh8467]

itz DRod we don’t have any good trainers where I live that I know of, and I want to do as much of it by myself If possible. I know how to do all the rest of her training besides her anxiousness

[@TheGinbarminpins]

Start where she isn't nervous then work up to a more scary place slowly and in small amounts. There are FB groups for fearful dogs

[@MadCheshireHat]

Places like Home Depot usually allow dogs. That might be less stressful, as there are no or less animals to distract and stress. Call around some stores and ask about their policies or Google dog-friendly places near you.

[@selina.s8284]

My adopted 6 month puppy is super fearful every time we go on a walk she takes two steps away from our house and then immediately turns around,stops, and lays down on the ground. Treats don’t work either I don’t know what to do.. Any advice would help thank you.

[@ammijee3463]

My dog doesn't eat when outside just keep pulling back

[@clawindsouza6498]

This used to happen with mine too. Get a better collar and learn to hold the leash the right way. Your dog is way too scared to think about food. You have to learn to be the leader and learn to direct them when you’re outside.

[@ratdraws9445]

I have a dog who won't walk on a leash if she hears a car door close, or a small sound that she doesn't know, she pulls really hard to get back home and no matter how long we wait she just doesn't calm down and after a while she started whining, she doesn't take treats or listens to me, she just pulls hard to get back. What could I do?

[@alexpuchala]

Our rescue greyhound is also very scared of noises, cars, vans, motorbikes and loud children. We started him very slow, same, predictable walk every day, taking him to the garden and giving treats. maybe at the moment the walk you do is a bit too scary? Maybe playing some traffic sounds at home, first at very low volume, then louder? We made our own treats, as he he doesn’t want to eat store bought ones; but when he is nervous he is not bothered. I also notice that our dog is much more scared if I’m nervous or in a rush...

[@JaneDoe-bo9tz]

What about a dog who isn’t food oriented, won’t eat in public and is very shy about it even 6 months later. These don’t seem to be REALLY nervous scared dogs

[@kayladevault1982]

What about a dog who won’t take food when they are in that state of anxiety

[@alisha7224]

Do you have advice for my fearful shutdown foster dog? He doesn't want anything to do with me. He does have a history of aggression towards men. I haven't had men over to see it yet. I just want him to have a personality & feel joy. He lays around wanting nothing to do with me. He doesn't seem to enjoy being pet or being brushed. He follows me around....always out of reach. He's an Australian Kelpie.

[@LeerburgDogTraining]

Consider checking out our training on From the Rescue to The Home with JJ Belcher. This training dives into everything you should know about rescue dogs. Also remember the rule of 3's. 3 Days, 3 Weeks, and 3 Months. It takes time for any rescue dog to develop trust in us, and sometimes even more so with fearful rescues. Link: leerburg.com/rescuedvd.php

[@AlexSpieslechner]

doesn't the internal conflict of being hungry and being fearful, biologically make it impossible for him to eat in the first place?

[@dogbehavior420]

a truly fearful dog in a situation that generates a fearful response will not eat, a nervous dog is completely different and may or may not take food.

[@elvafong3591]

My dog is very skiddish and reactive to other dogs. I have been working on getting my less reactive to other dogs and we have reached the point where we can walk past other dogs without reaction. I was hoping that I might start to socialize him with other dogs. Today when we were walking in the park an unleashed calm dog walked over and wanted to play. My dog did an assertive freeze. The unleashed dog went to smell my dog's butt and my dog lunged toward the other dog to attack him. I pulled my dog back, said No, then stood in front of my dog and said no, no, no. My dog calmed down. The other dog laid down a few feet from us and watched. The other dog's owner showed up, leashed up his dog, and lead his dog away. Did I lose my dog's trust because I did not protect him? What should I have done in this situation?

[@lovebeanie]

I'm not a professional but from what I learned this entire journey is to allow dogs interact with each other until your dog comes to you if it feels unprotected or needs you to step in. From what I understand, your dog seems more on the balanced side, meaning it will listen more to commands and won't be willy nilly around other objects or animals. The dog(s) that will approach your dog may seem unbalanced to him, meaning they don't understand boundaries and aren't very tame. He felt uncomfortable by how the dog approached yours and would have wanted a more calm approach. Let's say there was a full interaction here, if he has snapped at this dog multiple times as a warning, and they persisted on sniffing your dog and playing with him, there is a chance he will go to you letting you know that they need assistance or they won't give this dog another chance before he decides to take it further.

[@virginia4766]

This video is totally unrealistic for dogs that won’t accept food in the scenarios mentioned above because they are too distressed, regardless of how hungry they are

[@efrawley55]

Virginia - obviously you did not watch the entire video. JJ explains the concept of e dog that is s afraid that it wont eat. That is a real scenario but thats not what he is talking about. So the fact is its not totally unrealistic - what is realistic is yiou didnt watch or listen to the entirte video \

[@Jimmyjimjimjim]

Ok lady. Since you’re an expert tell us how it is done.

[@efrawley55]

@@Jimmyjimjimjim well saud

[@rastogiatul]

Very true. My dog does not take food.

[@margotvanoni3679]

The one we rescued can go days without food and is not food motivated

[@michellewilkes5801]

Maybe you can help me and my baby? So I've had her since she was 5 weeks old she's a pitbull Spade 3 yrs, I have another pit that's 5 yrs old female spayed and also a male German Shepherd neutered 12 yrs , it's just me and them so I'm sure it is my issue that I would like to fix it for them. When silver that's the 3 year old, what is about 9 month old to begin attacking both of my other dogs... And my other dog's did not even fightback they had never been in a position where they have been attacked or even threatened or even aggressive by another dog... So I dove in DEEP; researching, studying, WORKING WITH THEM ... Mainly my three-year-old, Silver, but it just seemed likethere was no way that I could be 110% sure that at some point she wouldn't just go off and attack them again and it had progressed to blood, so I first asked my phone friend keep herjust for a hot minute while I can figure things out because I had no intention of getting rid of her, all my dogs are inside dogs it's just me and them they're my family and no one is disposable... So I rented a housethat is actually absolutely perfect for keeping them 100% separated yet never in any way isolated, the older to stay in the bedroom with me which opens up to the living room which are silvers living space, I am retired so I am basically here 85% of the time, we can interact with each other I can always see exactly what she is doing what we're doing at all times I haven't set up with baby gates in the doorway I spend about equal time in both areas/rooms an equal time with them individually walking them each day taking them out we live on a ranch in the country they all get individual time cuz just easier for me in the beginning my German Shepherd is 150 lb of power! And both my pits are about 75-85lbs... I'm not sure why but since day one silver has had what I would call a scared Streak... And when she gets scared she tries to run if you can't run she tries to hide underneath she can't do that then she will fight bite or whatever she has to get away from the scary thing I have tried condition training, but she is still scared, if she sees someone come to the doorshe wants to jump that baby gate 2 be with us, if she gets spooked can be annoyed something falling or anything really then , she loses her mind, most recently I only made it wors by accident, everyday I would take her out to feed the horses always have them on the leash if we are outside..... But she is very good in mind's quite well until she gets scared... I needed both my hands so I dropped the leash it fell I'm taking water jugs I was emptying which startled her and she took off like a bolt of lightningunfortunately her when she had hooked around one of those drugs and now she was pulling them and she thought they were chasing her and she couldn't get away from I called out to her to come back to calm down I remain the same but now she is one hot messevery morning when I asked you to go with me to feed the horses, I have to go 2 her now 2 put on her leash, instead of her being excited & coming 2 me... I didn't mention that about 10 minutes before that she had got popped by the electric fence that's a landlord has so she was double traumatized in about 20 minutes that day two weeks ago and I act like nothing's going to happen I reassure her and repeat every day... but she shakes and shivers and nearly dragged me back to the house first minute possible when we're done I'm not forcing her or scaring her scolding her and I'm not coddling her either, I'm trying to be confidentwhile showing her I'll protect her no matter what fromawning and everything she just needs to trust me but I don't know how to convey this to her this is just one example I'll take any advice I'd appreciate it much thank you greatly!!! 👊

[@marvin60000]

My dog is not a rescue and he is very timid. We got him 8 years ago when I was a kid. I think he was traumatized by the groomer and the dog park. Whenever we walk towards the groomer he starts running. We stopped taking him after 8 years. And whenever we pass the dog park he freaks out. I feel terrible.

[@Tamberwolf.]

“Do I choose to be nervous or do I choose to eat food?” This notion that dogs “choose” to be nervous or “choose” to act fearful is really confusing for owners. Fear-based behavior is never a choice - it is a symptom of emotional stress. I’ve heard trainers tell owners not to pet their dogs while the dog is afraid, because petting is supposedly rewarding the dog for being afraid. The dog doesn’t stay anxious because it thinks you’re going to pet it. The dog stays anxious because it’s not being given a path to confidence. It’s being exposed to its triggers above threshold and then remaining there. Too often I see owners force their dogs above threshold because they think the dog shouldn’t be coddled, and they make the dog’s anxiety worse. Place the focus on helping the dog develop a better emotional response, not on holding the dog responsible for behaving a certain way.

[@dogbehavior420]

He is spot on however his word choice has been taken out of context and twisted! Indeed a dog does not choose to be fearful. However as he stated do I choose to be nervous or do I choose to eat, is the same as do I choose the ball or do I choose the rope or do I choose to walk or do I choose to run. Petting or giving affection is absolutely rewarding the state of mind, the body language and as well the communication in a given situation, rather it be training, playing, fear or aggression and on and on. It indeed tells the dog that it's behavior is an acceptable response and that it is what we desire from them.

[@bickle8931]

The dog is chooses to pay attention to the food scenario he presents. Its redirecting the dog.

[@theboston3386]

Your response is inaccurate. It sounds like it’s either black or white. Both methods have it’s place. It’s all about finessing the training appropriately with every single dog. Some will need more physical praise and “touch” more than others. In some situation, the lack of touch is also appellate appropriate as well.

[@byronbrown6107]

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[@watsonsaquatics7604]

Whatttt !!! Where the heck was the dog ?

[@neurozero]

They are pain in the ass to live with. Liability. Result of poor breeding by backyard breeder.

[@floridashottest2538]

So true

[@dougiequick1]

not necessarily breeding but simply what happened to them ....one misstep along the way allowed to Fester and then there is a problem ...yes some dogs seem to be naturally more bullet proof but mostly I have to think it all goes back to their puppy hood and who dealt with them how ....were they weaned at 4 weeks and then whipped with a newspaper trying the potty train him? The Best bred dogs can be TOTALLY screwed up by idiots

[@johanna8206]

@@dougiequick1 Completely agree. Also, vaccines can create sudden but lasting behavioral changes in puppies irrespective of socialization or training.

[@_Christina_n]

Not true? Trauma can do a lot of damage

[@ryantimbol7043]

True @karam sigh mine is really timid pain in the ass