Forgotten Warbirds of the Early Jet Age

[@littlefluffybushbaby7256]

A big problem with the Swift, apparently, was that it kept morphing into a Gloster Meteor.

[@Dyynamo]

Some great footage there of the Meteors though. It's a shame Simon never mentioned them. 🤔

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Massively underrated comment :D

[@RobBon12]

🤣

[@LongTomH]

Sorry to have to point this out; but, the discussion of the Swift, which was an early swept wing design, was accompanied by video of the Gloster Meteor, developed during WWII. It was around early enough to be used against the V1 'Buzz Bombs.'

[@Litauen-yg9ut]

Maybe he threw in the Meteor footage due to lack of Swift film.

[@Lozzie74]

I came to comment same. I was thinking “why are you showing Meteors?”

[@CaptHollister]

An error made worse by the fact that the Meteor had straight wings in a discussion of a plane with swept wings. I have noticed in other videos (ex. that on the RR Merlin) that when it comes to planes, Simon's researchers tend to come up with video clips that are hilariously wrong for the subject.

[@kinglear5952]

@@CaptHollister Is there an official complaints procedure?

[@jb6027]

The Ryan FR-1 was the subject of one of the best Navy vs Air Force gags ever perpetrated. A Navy test pilot took off in his then-secret Fireball one day, looking for an Air Force fighter pilot to mess with. Soon spotting his victim, and using jet power alone, he shut off the piston engine and went after the unwary Air Force. What the astonished Air Force pilot saw when they met, was that he was being passed by a Navy fighter with a stationary propellor that was flown by a Gorilla chomping a cigar. Top that one Air Force!

[@freontec]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnLceXtvfJ6YqpI checkmate

[@jb6027]

@@freontec Thanks for that. I love Maj. Shul's videos.

[@flavortown3781]

Airforce sucks, shouldn't have been separated from the army

[@devin1983]

@@flavortown3781 to be fair... the Army sucks too

[@ukusagent]

Have doubts about this as it wasn't a fast plane, under jet power piston power or both

[@SRFriso94]

About the MiG: do remember that this was Stalin's USSR, so refusing to fly that thing by breakfast would see you be labelled a deserter by lunch and you'd be executed before dinner.

[@kelvinh8327]

@@mbryson2899 Seriously!? Stalin was a psychopath and executed people at random. You have no basis for your stance.

[@kelvinh8327]

@@mbryson2899 Stop playing mind games. There is ample evidence in the testomonies of people who lived through his rule and in official records from the period.

[@kelvinh8327]

@@mbryson2899 Nice the way you play games about the suffering and slaughter of millions. David Irving would be proud of you.

[@THECHAIR.]

@@mbryson2899 bet your fun at parties

[@Ideo7Z]

@@kelvinh8327 Why are you bothering to debate this guy? He's using classic provactive trolling and gigling like a little girl as he draws more replies with outrage bait.

[@matehavlik4559]

"Fireball"?! That doesn't sound like a name that inspires confidence in an experimental technology 😲

[@drstrangelove4998]

😂 quite…

[@killerflamingo9566]

Neither does the ardvark but for completely different reasons

[@wesleymorris6862]

Just had to text my navy dad if ALL the pilots he knew were that fking crazy. Doubt he'll tell me but fingers crossed lol

[@sabrekai8706]

Fireball XL-5 LOL

[@henke7864]

Talks about the Swift. Shows videos of the Meteor.

[@magellan6108]

I met a man named Walter, as I remember, who said he was one of the very few in the U.S. who was able to hand weld the turbine blades into place on our first jet engine. Incredible!

[@Anaguma79]

5:35 I'm pretty sure those are Gloster Meteors, not Supermarine Swifts. And they don't have swept wings. And again at 6:14.

[@delurkor]

I'm sure they just had very good camouflage. Side note: 1952 my dad returns from a Korea deployment and is showing us slides he had taken. Slide shows some aircraft sitting on the runway. He says "here are some British Meteors.' My mother is looking around the picture going 'Where, I just see some airplanes?'

[@Sliderone73NZ]

Said the same above. You are correct

[@Sliderone73NZ]

@@delurkor Meteors are twin engines outed on the wings Swift had a single fuse mounted engine

[@delurkor]

@@Sliderone73NZ Yes, see how good the camouflage was. 👍😁

[@Ronritdds]

Yes I believe they are Meteors too.

[@pozzowon]

1:24 FR1 Fireball (mixed power) 2:23 Bell Airacomet (just mentioned) 4:47 Supermarine Swift 7:53 MiG 9 11:11 Vought F7U Cutlass 14:32 Sncaso Trident (??? Looks like a Cutlass in that image)

[@stationsixtyseven67]

5:40 Gloster Meteors

[@pmgn8444]

@@stationsixtyseven67 Lots of Meteors instead of Swifts. I think they need a better video editor.

[@philipjooste9075]

@@pmgn8444 Yep, very poor video editing but Simon being the boffin that he tells us he is, should have spotted that too!

[@stationsixtyseven67]

@@pmgn8444 I agree. Even someone completely removed from the subject can see that the footage is of two completely different aeroplanes.

[@dave_h_8742]

@@stationsixtyseven67 especially since they showed the blue prints which are nothing like a Gloster Meteor .

[@clairenollet2389]

After being a dive bomber pilot in WW2 and Korea, my dad was an experimental test pilot in the 1950s. I guess I'm lucky to be here (born in 1961), because some of those early jets were crazy. Dad also participated in taking apart a MIG which was flown into Western Europe, either in the 1950s or 1960s. I don't remember if the pilot deliberately landed it across the Iron Curtain, but I remember dad saying they had to take it apart and put it together in a short amount of time, because the Soviets were demanding its return.

[@leifvejby8023]

We had a few MIG 15s escape to Denmark in the -50s, could it have been one of those?

[@clairenollet2389]

@@leifvejby8023 Might have been. I'm almost thinking it HAD to be in the 1950s, because my grandmother (dad's mom) was serving as a foreign correspondent then, and they met up somewhere in Europe to catch up. I know that my grandmother was back in the States by the 1960s as a domestic reporter.

[@TheLycanStrain]

I love Into the Shadows. And I really appreciate how Busin...er, Brain Blaze has let some of your actual personality to bleed through into the other channels.

[@Kadeo-ms6qw]

Same

[@Kickthelighter]

I love into the light

[@Sideprojects]

@@Kickthelighter I love lamp.

[@Kadeo-ms6qw]

@@Sideprojects *möth*

[@fredocuomo5386]

@@Sideprojects hah

[@davidbrucejr1226]

In the segment about the Supermarine Swift … most of the photos are of the Meteor ( Glouster ? ) which is a twin engine

[@steveh1792]

Obviously, an early example of a Transformer. Apparently, it needed more work and was therefore shelved.

[@ricimer9770]

Just call me Mr.Pedantic but it was "Gloster" and I don't believe the Swift was widely used as it was crap, thus a lack of footage

[@rockymac3565]

@@ricimer9770 There's MORE than enough footage of the Swift for a 3 minute segment on the plane. Photos, drawings or even models can be used when there's little archive footage of a rare machine, but there's no excuse for talking about one thing and showing something completely different, especially in a video that's supposed to be informative. Disappointing when Simon's videos are normally so well done.

[@MrPeterPhelps]

And referring to the “M K 1”. It’s “Mark 1”, Mk being the common abbreviation 🙄

[@robertmarsh3588]

Interesting video. Lots of bonus footage of Gloster Meteors too, which have no relevance whatsoever to the Swift which is being talked about... Interestingly many feel that the Meteor wasn't a particularly great plane, though a total build of 3, 875 would suggest it wasn't too bad..

[@iangregory3719]

This is one of those video subjects that cries out for a part 2, as it barely scratches the surface of early jet development. I'd suggest aircraft such as the FMA Ae 33 Pulqui, built in Argentina and designed by the same man as the FW 190. Honestly Kurt Tank deserves a video in his own right. The tSaab Tunnan. DeHaviland Vampire and Venom which continued in Swiss service into the 1990s - though I'm a bit biased as I used to work on those two at airshows - and as for the USA and USSR so many forgotten designs.

[@darkiee69]

Saab J21r

[@Litauen-yg9ut]

Yes, a part 2 would be easy with other early attempts from all over.

[@d33pNacho]

Simon at an interview: -So, mr. Simon, what do you do for a living? -I present every KZbin video and I own half of the channels

[@RobBon12]

Apparently, Simon is ONLY interested it flattery and not actually paying attention to the subject of his job. Gloster Meteor, an utterly trivial aircraft. And a year + later, still no correction or acknowledgment of screwing up.

[@binaway]

Taking about the Supermarine Swift with video of the Gloster Meteor. Keep visiting those aviation museums.

[@billotto602]

I'd never heard of the Fireball. And I've read what I thought was a pretty comprehensive history of naval aviation ! Thanks Simon ! 😊

[@ignitionfrn2223]

1:30 - Chapter 1 - FR1 Fireball 4:50 - Chapter 2 - Supermarine swift 7:55 - Chapter 3 - MIG9 11:15 - Chapter 4 - Vought F7U cutlass 14:35 - Chapter 5 - Sncaso trident

[@longingforsleep9578]

How have you not done the Corona Satelite Program yet? It's definitely a Mega Project -They would catch film with C-130s. The whole process was amazing. Please do it!

[@matthewb3635]

I think covering anything called Corona is a bad idea ATM

[@BradLancaster86]

@@matthewb3635 we vaccinated tho

[@Error_404-F.cks_Not_Found]

#demonitized lol

[@Error_404-F.cks_Not_Found]

But would be a cool topic

[@longingforsleep9578]

@@matthewb3635 Surely the audience watching this type of content is intelligent enough to understand and distinguish the difference. Considering the myriad topics between the channels, if anything, it would generate more views.

[@veteranironoutdoors8320]

My favorite plane is the F-89 scorpion. Just something about it and its massive rocket load that stirs me.

[@smb328i]

Not to mention it's pair of unguided nuclear air to air missiles.

[@kenrobba5831]

I liked the F-84 !

[@Theover4000]

I actually own a piece of the tail fabric on the XP-59 prototype. Just waiting on delivery of some original Bell photos, too. The P-59 holds a place close to my heart.

[@The_ZeroLine]

The Trident/SO 9000 is a perfect example of how beauty, both in humankind and aviation, makes people cut you so much slack even if it comes at the risk of death to themselves.

[@BeaglefreilaufKalkar]

Talking about the swift and showing the gloster meteor?

[@owenshebbeare2999]

Blame the American scriptwriters and editors

[@ProjectFlashlight612]

Those Supernarine Swifts were so overbuilt they turned into Gloster Meteors!

[@francispitts9440]

I’ve always held the British especially their military forces in respect. I served in the Marine Corps and trained with some Royal Marines and I had the opportunity to know some British veterans from WW II. My Father and his Father served in WW I and WW II. I’m glad they were our allies and hope they continue to have whatever freedoms they decide. 🇺🇸🇬🇧

[@i_smoke_ghosts]

Oorah!

[@tatiwatikuno8346]

where you part of the marines that got their asses handed to them by the brits in an excersize in the desert?

[@francispitts9440]

@@tatiwatikuno8346 Grow up.

[@tatiwatikuno8346]

@@francispitts9440 im not wrong

[@tatiwatikuno8346]

@Dr. Bright if you have to go straight to those things, then you're argument is moot

[@keithbuddrige5064]

I love these videos! Thank so much for all the great info and presented in a really easy to understand format. Have you considered doing an episode on the Stipa-Caproni? It was a unique machine that really verified some critical theories for the Jet engine, even though it used a propeller.

[@justplanesense]

@ 5:35 the jets in video look like Gloster Meteors, not Swifts. They also don't have swept wings.

[@cruzcontrol1504]

Hey Fact boy, its Pecorino Romano cheese, usually grated on pasta, Locatelli is the supreme version

[@shanesimmons3784]

Also, apparently it was a staple of the Roman army as well.

[@adrianinglis5922]

Me: Simon, how many youtube sites to you have now? SW: Yes!! Your saving grace is that all of your sites are pretty good!

[@randybentley2633]

I was wondering if my aviation nerdiness would be surprised by any aircraft that I didn't already know of and the final one did just that! Jolly good on you Sir Fiend of Facts.

[@johnmeyer457]

Great video! Please next do early mach 2 jets, those things were great, look like the designers thought that to be fast had to look fast... and also be pointy. Saab 35, BAC Lightning, Mirage III, MIG 21, Lockheed F104...

[@Sliderone73NZ]

I was an engineer on the Lightning for about 5 years in the RAF. Loved them

[@Sean2002FU]

"The design seemed promising... Other than all the death!" LMFAO!!! RIP IT UP SIMON!!!!

[@comradeiosif2794]

Caproni Campini N.1 was an Italian attempt at a jet aircraft that surprisingly flew.

[@timengineman2nd714]

The problem with the F7U "Gutless" is that like a number of jets in that time frame, it was designed for a certain Promised engine that never worked properly and they had to substitute a weaker engine. The "work around" was to lengthen the nose gear's Sturt which then caused its own issues....

[@tomsvircev1716]

How did you not make a single joke about naming an early jet research aircraft 'Fireball'?!

[@colinelliott5629]

It's not a name I'd choose for an aircraft, and I wouldn't wish to fly in one.

[@bobmetcalfe9640]

I'm a great fan of those late prop planes that just missed World War II. Like the twin Mustang, the Hornet and the Sea Fury.

[@frankmitchell3594]

The Swift was completely over shadowed by the Hawker Hunter being built at the same time.

[@solreaver83]

Yeah the Brit stuff missed like 10 years of British jet development

[@Mandolatron]

I really wish this guy had more channels

[@soberdober540]

lol

[@robertwilloughby8050]

He's going to dump on the Sea Vixen, isn't he? To quote St Greta, "How Dare You!"

[@UmVtCg]

17:16 One hell of a band

[@wintendo_86]

Lots of Meteor in the Swift section...

[@musicmnw1982]

By 2050 global sea levels will have increased by and average of 3 inches and Simon Whistler will own 78% of all KZbin channels.

[@metalthrashingai2238]

Talking about early jet fighters - you guys could do a Megaproject video on the Me262. It was definitely a significant game changer for the military aviation.

[@julianputnam8290]

They already did a side projects on the me262

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

Or the Heinkel He-162

[@dondon-wg9ft]

"Fireball" Unfortunate name for a plane, great job on the information, excellent episode!

[@leifvejby8023]

Aptly named though.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Ryan: exists Simon: "Raan" P-59 Airacomet in the thumbnail, only shorty shown in the b roll, but no talk about it... Was glad to see the MiG-9 though. Could have also featured the Yak-15. And the MiG I-250 / MiG-13 (supposedly MiG-7) with that VRDK thing in the back, basically a simple jet engine powered by the piston engine in the front via a shaft. Also, the Trident remembered me of the Bereznyak Isayev BI-x series which basically was a rocket plane, they also experimented with ramjets on the wing tips.

[@mfree80286]

Bell was a company renowned for getting conflicting instruction on contracts and emerging with something.... weird. I think Yeager flew in the P-59's testing and discovered the plane was (memory here, no pillory if I'm wrong) an absolute delight to fly, but about 150mph off the max speed requirement.

[@Horizontalvertigo]

That was some of the heaviest lifting I've ever heard "viable" asked to perform re rocket propelled arti-I mean, aircraft.

[@ajahrdurlan655]

Dam son. Simon, you are bonafide and I thoroughly enjoy your content on multiple channels. Yet I must ask you a question sir --- when do you sleep?

[@Nomatternow]

Excellent! Thanks Simon. 👍

[@AtheistOrphan]

The Supermarine Swift was the ‘star’ of the excellent David Lean film ‘The Sound Barrier’, albeit using a fictional name for the aircraft. Shame this video used much footage of the Gloster Meteor to illustrate it though.

[@dave_h_8742]

Was going to comment that too 🙂

[@leifvejby8023]

Wasn't that the film which showed the lovely Gloster Gormless too?

[@LastGoatKnight]

I like the FR1 Fireball. Though, it would've been a bit better if the tail doesn't want to detach almost each time when the arresting hook attached. Probably with bigger bolts, or whatever they were attached to the rest would've maybe solved the issue

[@BernardvonSchulmann]

Really, you have included the CF100 by Avro, of which close to 700 were built and remained in service in some roles for 30 years, and the Saab 21, a successful piston plane redeveloped as a jet plane

[@warsmithmia]

Also came here expecting a SAAB J21R... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21R?wprov=sfla1

[@dannydaw59]

I'm surprised that the Lockheed P-80 Shooting star wasn't mentioned. It flew before many of the jet fighters in the video and it was used in the 1st part of the Korean war. It did some recon flights in Italy in 1944.

[@cassandrakarpinski9416]

But is it forgotten 🤔

[@Scotian280]

Why did you keep showing meteors during the swift section???

[@dighawaii1]

I really enjoy your videos! I wonder if you could try putting a de-esser on your mic's signal chain, though. I think around 6-7k, but you will find out. Thanks!

[@Weissman111]

Why is there film of the Gloster Meteor?

[@TommygunNG]

Because someone just grabbed some 1950s UK jet footage and said, "That looks cool."

[@phinhager6509]

Bait and switch! No mention of the Bell Skycomet in the thumbnail!

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

I expected to the the Heinkel He-162 tbh, because unlike the Me-262 it's actually pretty forgotten

[@nhatpham9933]

The 162 is a WW2 aircraft though.

[@24934637]

Naming a plane the 'Fireball' really isn't a great idea!

[@jonathanmatthews4774]

Simon: "I'm a massive nerd" Also Simon: "I've never seen StarWars"

[@extendoduck]

Are you saying there's a contradiction there? You can be a massive nerd about lots of things and Star Wars is one of the less interesting ones.

[@Sideprojects]

Way too main stream for me.

[@tsamoka6496]

@@Sideprojects Don't bother with the new ones, pure garbage ever since disney got their hooks in it. Babylon 5 would be more up your alley. =^x^=

[@tsamoka6496]

@@Sideprojects Could you also consider doing a part-2 to this, as well? "Five More Forgotten Warbirds of the Early Jet Age", or something of the like? You could even make it a mini-series! =^x^=

[@benjam0n]

The 50s and 60s were a wild time for jet development

[@upthere5826]

I don't think the bois that few those things will ever be matched.

[@scotts918]

Another week, another new channel :D

[@josephgimenez9192]

Interesting history about the jets. Cool !

[@Sliderone73NZ]

Not sure if I'm right but why are you showing 2 clips of the Gloster Meteor while talking about the Supermarine Swift?

[@elideveer674]

I've seriously lost count of Simon's channels. I'm subbed to too many of them

[@chrisdooley6468]

Another great video from the hardest working man on YT. What is the number now, 10 channels you own and present on? You good sir are a legend lol

[@beachboy0505]

Excellent video 📹 👏 It's all trial and error. All these failed aircraft are the lineage test beds for the brilliant fighter aircraft we have today, Rafaele, Eurofighter, F15, F16 , F22, F35, Harriet, Su35, Mig29 , Lightning , Phantom etc.

[@robertmcmanus636]

Pecorino, not "percorino", my gourmet friend...

[@comacollosasa6282]

11:26 nice new tailless carrier fact boy

[@krod432]

We need more video games from this Era :)

[@MatthewCox-s5i]

The P-39 and maybe it’s derivative the P-63 need to be featured in a new video. A little before the jet age but awesome little planes.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you

[@panosgamithis8868]

Simon ; I'm a massive nerd.... Me ; Join the club...!!!

[@terellalexander1919]

i feel like a P51 MUSTANG VIDEO is extremely close

[@bjornodin]

Vintage jets are like vintage memes... AM I RIGHT PETER?

[@ChopBassMan]

The Swifts look like the incredibly silly jet's from the Japanese movies from the 60s and 70s - like Godzilla, Gamera, Ultra Man (TV show) , etc

[@user-dg9pu4pe9d]

An episode on the flying gorilla would be enjoyable. How better to hide test flights then dress the pilot as a derby wearing gorilla armed with a cigar.

[@pavementeater5624]

So many planes missed that predated what you touched ... Surprised the Heinkel He 178 < 1st jet to fly pre ww2 and the US XP-59A , got airborne in October of 1942 then became YP - 59 which became the. Bell P-59 Airacomet which became the basis for the the Lockheed P-80 was not on this list . Then the British Gloster Meteor which hit the skies at the tail end of WW2 . :|

[@tkskagen]

What about the "not spoken of" and forgotten McDonald Douglas F-101 "Voodoo"?

[@slimpickens9103]

Forgotten clippers more like it that beard is growing its own identity. Simon "the bearded" Whistler.

[@joelmccoy9969]

'Pecker-Reno' is how you pronounce pecorino cheese/wine. Both the cheese and the wines from the Abruzzo region can cause culinary paroxysms of delight in the consumer.

[@bitrage.]

I DO CAD and have done my share of manual drafting.... The MOST impressive and mind blowing thing to me is how all these planes where designed by manual drafting... 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 ..God forbid not having CTRL+Z...WE HAVE IT SOOOOOOO MUCH EASIER!!!

[@paulgush]

6:22 that would be pounds of thrust. Foot pounds is a unit of torque. But on the whole, good video!

[@paulgush]

Oh yeah, and those are twin engine Gloster Meteors, not single engine Suoermarine Swifts...

[@oldenweery7510]

Every time I see a fighter jet built in those early years _without_ swept wings, a voice in my head screams, "So, jackasses, the ME-262 and the delta-wing rocket developed by the Germans _both_ had swept wings, you still said, 'What the hell, regular straight wings should be good enough?'" (It might've been an accident that just happened to be _exactly_ right, but I always figured those German designers knew what they were doing in the first place.)

[@solreaver83]

Those Brit jets in the video were in service the same time as the 262.

[@drstrangelove4998]

@@solreaver83 no they weren’t really. There was only the Meteor which was ‘in-service’ but not in combat, as Eric Brown said, the HE 162 Volksjäger would have run rings around it, had they met in combat. In fact a Meteor was based in Holland near the end of the war, and was promptly shot down by an HE162 from Jever.

[@solreaver83]

@@drstrangelove4998 those planes he showed in the video were meteors and the mk3 was in service when the 262 was, he162 beating it? hah in their dreams. the meteor was withheld from the frontline due to not wanting germans to capture them but they did actually end up flying missions into europe before the end and one even landed on the autobarn.

[@justplanenuts5541]

I believe somewhere in the states they're looking at restoring a cutlass to flying condition.

[@StopItRyan]

War Thunder not sponsoring this video is a totally lost opportunity.

[@hertzair1186]

The F7U Cutlass had one glory moment…it was the first aircraft to land at Chicago O’Hare airport….unplanned though, as it was, appropriately enough, an emergency landing.

[@grumpycalenzana7514]

One airplane that deserved recognition would be a video on the LeDuc

[@MrGeeyess]

Very interesting video. Spoilt a little by showing film of Meteors when presenting the Swift segment but enjoyed the Meteors nonetheless.

[@curtvona4891]

Another channel. Wow, you are a busy man!

[@jeremyjones2191]

Even though you'll probably never see this. Simon if you're ever in the US about 2 hours from me in Dayton Ohio is probably the best military aviation museum Wright-Patterson air force base and the last I knew "bonus" it was free. That place is awesome it even has an SR-71

[@RJM1011]

Thumbs up and shared thank you for the video. :)

[@WrenPhoenix]

@ 14:40 you show title card for the Trident but the picture behind it is still the Cutlass that you just went over

[@sky_professor3051]

Early jets are my favorite jets.

[@robbennett2829]

More like “ Scare-Craft”😱. Good vid!

[@ProperLogicalDebate]

The Cutlass reminded me of a more conventional Navy jet whose nose wheel strut(?) stopped just below the pilot's seat. Many loses.

[@josh656]

Simon says MOAR CHANNELS!

[@fredocuomo5386]

damn simon has ANOTHER channel?!? well off to subscribe to it, after i watch the video of course

[@jaredrae2191]

What about the Canadian Avro Arrow

[@Margarinetaylorgrease]

What's with the Gloster Meteor during the Swift bit?