5 Controversial Theories about Ancient Civilizations

[@Adam13Chalmers]

I find the distinction between 'advanced' and 'primitive' an interesting subject. To me, 'advanced' doesn't require aliens, computers, post industrial machines, time travelers, gods, or whatever. To me, it's a level of understanding and mastery. I do see evidence that ancient humans had a level of observation, understanding, and mastery, along with the determination and tenacity to take on projects that exceeded their lifetimes. This seems pretty advanced compared to our modern world, in my view.

[@yayhandles]

A civilization requires a writing system. A society without a writing system is a culture. Without a writing system, you have no means of recording yourself or anything else. This is why writing systems are considered prerequisites to meet the criteria of a "civilization" - because otherwise you've left no records, only indefinitive clues. I think it's safe to say that, in a strictly historical context, the delineation between advanced societies and primitive societies is a writing system. In terms of a practical, realistic distinction between the two, the standard will always be floating and derived relative to contemporary technologies.

[@alexford5214]

Totally agree. It's seems that unless the previous civilizations made skyscrapers out of iron and glass or developed computers, they fail to meet our definition as advanced. The stone work alone found in some of the most ancient pottery, exceeds our current capabilities. The machine marks found on statues. machined holes whose diameter are accurate to .XXXX" is reason enough, to consider the fact that maybe its not that we haven't found advanced civilizations, but maybe its the measuring stick our archeologists use, is not advanced enough to see it.

[@Adam13Chalmers]

@@yayhandles It's a good point. Writing is definitely a huge milestone for any developing civilization. I am comfortable accepting alternatives to the written word as long as they can reliably pass on their knowledge to each subsequent generation. But writing is surely superior at any large scale.

[@yayhandles]

@@Adam13Chalmers Except that's exactly the thing: you *CAN'T* reliably pass your knowledge of past events by oral tradition. This is why The Illiad is not considered even remotely historically accurate, even though we know today that The Trojan War really happened - it was written hundreds of years after the fact. Imagine playing a multi-hundred year game of telephone with many thousands of people - the more time that passes, the less valid it becomes as a method of recording events.

[@Kahadi]

But then what are they "advanced" in comparison to? Aside from the usage for modern and recent technology, the definition of advanced as an adverb is "far on or ahead in development or progress." To say these ancient cultures were advanced would be to say that they were further developed than others. There needs to be a standard for comparison, a group for them to be ahead of. But realistically, unless you want to compare them to even more ancient people, they were really only more advanced than what people believe their capabilities were. If they were using the same tools, the same technology as the other cultures of the era, then they weren't more developed, they weren't more advanced. They were the standard. It's just modern misconceptions setting the bar lower that we can compare them to and say they were more advanced. If you're expecting the ancient Egyptians to be pushing massive stones through the sand with nothing but their bare hands, lifting them up to the top of the pyramids, then yeah, the fact that they used logs to slide the stones over the sand more easily and pulled them up slopes instead of lifting them straight up means they were more advanced. But if you know they knew basic physics and simple machines like wheels and pulleys and ramps, then... Well, what they did was just standard for their knowledge. But you are right that we typically think of advanced and primitive in comparison to modern technology. And that's part of what skews people's viewpoints to say that the ancient Egyptians must have been highly advanced to build the pyramids. Their development was standard for the era, most people just don't realize what the standard actually was.

[@bettysayshey23]

If discoveries like Gobekli Tepi are pushing back the timeline for human civilization, then that pushes back the end of that forgotten civilization. Younger Dryas just finished the job completely. Who says that the high civilization lasted until an event of nature took them out? They could have epically knocked themselves off before then, and YD just wiped away those last prints in the sand. And possibly literally, as there are hundreds of human cities that are underwater all over the globe.

[@hasnaindev]

The guy in this channel is simply a main-stream dogmatic educator. I just watch and enjoy it.

[@Paleorunner2]

As someone that has a degree in geology, I've read the peer reviewed articles claiming the erosion on the sphinx does not match the archeologically accepted age. I actually agree with their findings, but they didn't suggest the sphinx was 15K years old. Göbekli Tepe is 10K or 11K years old, maybe even a bit older. The technology was around at the time to carve into limestone, why couldn't the people living in Egypt at the time have carved something in the limestone? Not aliens or Atlantis just normal neolithic people.

[@MichaelGuanga-nb9rm]

This

[@princessaja2557]

Well said Mate

[@TK199999]

The most realistic theory I read, says like most believe the rock of the Sphinx was been exposed for many thousands of years before it was carved by the ancient Egyptians. Hence the discrepancies over its age due to weathering. That due to natural weathering looked like some type of animal or God to local herders of Nile River valley, before classic Egyptian civilization was founded. That after a while these local pre-classical tribes did the first simple carvings of the rock that would become the Sphinx. Meaning humans have been modify the rock the Sphinx was made of for possibly thousands of years for before the pyramids. This suggests that ancient Egyptians have working stone in some fashion for thousands before pyramids and their other great works. Now that means work on stone of the Sphinx has been happening for at most 6,000 years and not 10 or 15 as some suggest. But again that just means the rock has been worked, the Sphinx we know today is still 3 to 4 thousand years old. So that makes their later creations like the pyramids inevitable, as no other human group had such continuous history of stone working as the ancient Egyptians and their ancestors. So such creations were not the mammoth and unheard of task they would be later groups. No Aliens or Atlanteans required, it sorta makes the ancient Egyptians kinda boring as they are famous for doing what they have always been doing.

[@ConfusedBoatLake-on5xq]

​@@TK199999 I agree with what you said for the most part, but the Egyptians did not build the pyramids, they themselves denied it and said it predated their people. Not saying it was aliens but the Egyptians were a lot more creative with their art work, the pyramids are far too bland to match their culture!!

[@AllenAndMarie]

​@@ConfusedBoatLake-on5xq, Apparently when the Spaniards invaded South America, they made the same claim. They were already there when they migrated down.

[@marcusinfestus1333]

I've heard that the Sphynx was originally a lion, but a pharoah wanted it to bear his face. That theory also explains the odd size of the head.

[@joshuagiehll3737]

Ive read it originally had a jackal head but was recarved for the same reason.

[@nicolasgamant7389]

And his explanation sucksf or the disproportion between the head and the body, nothing would have prevented them from carving more rocks for the body, especially when egyptian statues were know for their incredible proportions, perfect symetry and precisions. that might be the worst explanation i've heard so far.

[@MrHodoAstartes]

​@nicolasgamant7389 We don't actually know the story of how it was made is the issue. If they had the head already and the body was a buried rock formation in the sand, maybe there was just not that much of a budget to carve up the whole thing to make it proportional, so they just shaped it with brick and clay on the *relative* quick to do something with that big head on a rock they had from a previous dynasty. The reasoning is likely both more complicated and more pragmatic than we imagine because the thing was dug up several times over the millennia and likely changed on the occasion. So we do not actually know how much was done in how many steps or why. Maybe the head was re-carved, maybe the rock was just that shape and size.

[@nicolasgamant7389]

@@MrHodoAstartes Sure, the guys who built the pyramids didn't have enough budget to carve the rest of the body 🤣of course

[@GodOfTheDisturbed]

​@@nicolasgamant7389the guys who build the pyramids famously had multiple architectural failures lol, bros never heard of the bent pyramid or the giant obelisk

[@frederickmiles8815]

Boncuklu Tarla is over 1000 years older and then Göbekli Tepe (a near by site) and much, much bigger. Like only 10% uncovered, if you want your mind blown look at Tarla as well as other adjacent sites. I wouldnt be shocked if by say 30 years from now - those interlocking sites/communities are referred to as our first known civilization.

[@danelynch7171]

I'm sure Simon will make a video then about how stupid people are for ever thinking it was more recent. 🙄

[@BruceBoyde]

I wouldn't be surprised if we find more settlements of that general age range, but settlements aren't civilizations. There's some debate over what the definition should be, but Sumer (generally referred to as the first civilization) is far more recent than a fair handful of settlements, including unarguable towns like Catalhoyuk. The main difference being political organization as I understand it.

[@samcruickshanks6856]

​@@danelynch7171and undoubtedly he will present the episode with the absolute maximum most amount of sarcasm in his voice and presentation that is conceivabley possible, and do you know what really knocks my noggin,, I'll probably watch it when he does 😁😁👍

[@samcruickshanks6856]

I think it's probable that a good portion of the ancient advanced civilisations are submerged beneath the Pacific Ocean and possibly the Atlantic as well, and the enormous unexplainable megaliths in South America and around the world are the final lonely remaining pieces of a time before history in which Mankind travelled the world and created mind blowing structures of incredible size and with construction methods and results that still couldn't be replicated to this day! The evidence for an advanced civilization is right there in their faces, okay not under the sea as far as we know so far but it's everywhere else including Gobekli tepe and Boncuklu Tarla but nope, civilization started around 6 thousand years ago around the fertile crescent and don't you dare suggest otherwise.

[@deleted-something]

Where is that?😊

[@TobaJones77]

Simon's producers have discovered that winding up conspiracy theorists is a youtube goldmine.

[@loke6664]

Calling Göbekli Tepe "the oldest structure in history" is just wrong. It depends on your definition of structure of course but Göbekli Tepe is not even the oldest place in the area. Boncuklu Tarla for instance have been dated to about 1000 years older and there are several places with the last-name "Tepe" that is also older. That is still not the oldest though. You have for instance Kostenki 11 that is a 25 000 years old mega structure built out of mammoth bones. But the really oldest known man made structure is way older and not even made by Homo Sapiens, it is a weird Neanderthal structure inside a cave that is 173 000 years old. It is built out of pieces of stalagmites and stalactites and we have no clue of it's purpose but it is pretty deep inside the cave so it must have been a bother to build it. We have no clue about when people started building wooden structures, I would assume those are older then stone structures since it is an easier material to work with and it is impossible to say when that practice started but I am very sure it is older then Göbekli Tepe at least. Yeah, there is no proof for that however so we can't say for certain wooden structures are older but it is something we should consider.

[@HmmIndeed]

Do you know what the Neanderthal structure is called? I’ve never heard of that.

[@sandyjamison5929]

​@@HmmIndeedI found this article in The Guardian where they talk about the discovery. *"Neanderthals built mysterious cave structures 175,000 years ago"* I hope this helps 🙂❤️

[@HmmIndeed]

@@sandyjamison5929 thanks 👍

[@timsawyer9231]

I don't know if you can really consider a ring of rocks a "structure", more like a small shrine, or a few of them got bored and made a circle. And the mammoth bone thing was basically a tent. You are absolutely correct about Gobekli Tepe though. Just remember, he doesn't write or research this stuff, he just reads it. He's just a mouthpiece haha I'm more impressed with Neanderthal art than the stalagmite circle. I mean they were even making jewelry! Just wanting to clothe and decorate yourself is a huge step away from the "dumb caveman" story the bulk of us grew up with. I think what Simon is referring too in this video is more about the "theories" of ancient advanced civilizations that compare to modern day and beyond. So yes "advanced" means a vastly different thing depending on how you look at it, but there's no evidence to suggest any civilization before our own used electricity, internal combustion engines, flying saucers, etc. Though many people (with a platform!) out there are telling people exactly that. I'm not saying it's impossible that some of that may have happened at some point, but right now there is no evidence to support it, certainly nothing to empower anyone to scream about it like it's a fact. That crap is so annoying.

[@jasonarthurs3885]

@@timsawyer9231 A tent is a structure.

[@granatmof]

There are massive mounds built by humans in North America. The civilisation is literally called the Mound Builders or Missippian or something similar. The location though is the Southeastern US (mostly). However the use of soil instead of rock makes it more difficult to recognize. Meanwhile pyramids in Mexico were confused as natural hills, and there's even a Spanish church built on top of a Pyramid.

[@baneofbanes]

Thing is we know they were man made and not natural because there’s evidence for them being man made.

[@aserta]

The church was built on top before it became a "mound". It was the disgusting religious practice of destroying the remnants of the rich culture. We've lost so much because of that group of trash people.

[@Dang3rMouSe]

Most of the mounds are found here in the northern US following the Mississippi tributaries but mounds are/were found all up & down the eastern US. They were incredibly numerous. They say at least 90% (likely more) are gone now, having been dug out & flattened mainly by the curious or by farmers who needed the land for their crops. If you are interested in prehistoric North American megalithic structures I highly recommend looking into the cairns, effigies, stone walls, etc... but most importantly the ancient stone chambers here in the north east. They rarely receive attention & are being destroyed due to construction. Academics had falsely attributed them to early settlers' root cellars many decades ago despite all evidence to the contrary. These include no design match in the settlers' countries of origins, use of multi ton megalithic stones as lintels, chamber alignments with associated lightbox effects on sunrise/sunset on either solstice or equinox depending on the chamber & more. It's a major aspect of our collective history being intentionally ignored IMO.

[@johnforamerica]

The one pictured in the video is Monks Mound in Cahokia (just across the river from St Louis)

[@brandonhoyt1198]

There's a snake mound in Georgia. A pyramid near New Orleans and towers and structure in South Florida. Dude is stupid.

[@orun0810]

As one of those "fringe amateur archaeologists" I have to say that while I don't believe that some lost ancient civilization had flying cars and levitation through sonic chimes and crystals or whatever, I do think that it is not unrealistic to think that some lost civilization existed before the Sumerians, Harrapans or Egyptians. People originated in Africa and the Sahara and most of north Africa was a lush lake filled savanna up until 13-8 thousand years ago. Our ancestors were also not any dumber than any of us so why wouldn't they be able to build a society in what would have been an eden in terms of resources? I mean up until recently most archaeologists would have laughed at you if you told them people would have built a large scale metropolitan worship and trade area 13 thousand years ago but low and behold we have Gobeleki Tepe which is still being excavated and expanded. So why dismiss any ideas that contradict the established thought? It also strikes me as interesting that the debate on the Sphinx has advanced from "Pfftt!! You are crazy if you think the erosion was caused by water! The Sahara is a desert and that is obviously wind erosion!" to " Well yeah that obviously isn't wind erosion dummy but it can't be caused by water because that would push back all our entire dates for Egyptian civilization to a time when the desert/savanna would have received enough rainfall. Which means at least 6 thousand years before we can say Egyptian civilization was a thing. So we will invent a new time of erosion that takes places with a buried structured in moist sediment that looks like water(rain) erosion but is actually just shifting moist sediment" See how absurd that sounds? Look call me crazy but I thinks it is wild that a fictional civilization was lost 10500 years ago from the time of the greeks which would make it 12500 years ago from our perspective which just happens to coincide with a time when the climate was undergoing catastrophic shifts, whether that took place over the course of months or decades, that also happens to line up with not just a few global myths but damn near every global mythology about some cataclysm that people survived and had to rebuild from. Which often involved some massive flood or calamity from the sky. Like I get it be skeptical always and ask for proof, but if things start to fit together then follow the evidence even if it means you have to move the origins of civilization further south or acknowledge some truth to things like the christian bible as a mythology based in some truth.

[@shagmeimbj]

Reddit is down the hall on your left

[@marsm9]

That's my issue with most videos like this. Immediately dismiss and call it pseudo-science. Give it a few years and the tune of these close minded, stuffed shirts will change again, because they will be forced to recognize the evidence and can't dismiss it any longer. It's been funny watching the developments over the last 35 years. Pretty wild how far everything's come up to this point, as far as proof of ancient civilizations and the technology and know how they actually had.

[@aidanbennett7400]

Honestly with this phrasing, you make those who don't think there could have been an advanced for the time civilization look like the idiots lol

[@Thompson_H]

"People of the past were clever, and they were capable and they didn't need ancient Atlantians or aliens to help with their progress anymore than us modern humans did when men landed on the moon who's parents went to work on horseback." - Simon Whistler

[@chase5298]

All these conspiracy theorists are really jumping through hoops out here. They either assume that ancient people were less intelligent then we are now which is obviously not true at all, or they assume that all of academia is lying to them lol. It amazes me how they can be so terrible at critical thinking

[@tturi2]

"You're a day-walker Blade" - Also Simon Whistler

[@adrianstorey5673]

​@tturi2 "you're a wizard, harry" ... pretty sure that too was Simon Says

[@billysaunders544]

How smart? Smart enough to be considered an advanced ancient civilisation?

[@drewy13184]

Anyone who has worked with stone knows these people didn't make these works of art with hammers and chisels 😒

[@ilya.petersen]

People tend to forget that ancient humans were just as intelligent as modern humans, but with a different level of technology and resources at their disposal.

[@lordmontymord8701]

And let's not forget that since it took way longer until new tools and production methods became available (compared to modern times), people had generations to perfect the tools they had and figure out how to use them as effectively as possible.

[@nathanielacton3768]

"but with a different level of technology and resources at their disposal.". Go have a look at the UnchartedX Vase story, and then look at the box at Saqqara. Then ask yourself. What technology was needed to produce those things.

[@AndrewManook]

@@nathanielacton3768 Just looked at it, it's not impossible for the time and if you think we can't do it then you are a clown.

[@richardwickens2923]

@@nathanielacton3768 The BOXES at Saqqara - there are 24 of them, made out of Aswan granite which is 7 Mohs, a steel nail is 6.5 Mohs. Could we make them today? Of course yes - could we make it only using hand tools made out of bronze...

[@nathanielacton3768]

@@richardwickens2923 Exactly Richard and thanks for the correct to 24 boxes. The key point I'd like people to follow up on however is the in places mirror flat surfaces. Actually, they are better than mirror flat. A mirror will be between 30-200 microns of deviations. Many of the flat surface from the megalithic period comes in between 1-2 microns. We got in to space with less technological capability than this. Again, we could get in to space *without* needing this level of capability, yet here these builders were just splashing 1 micron surfaces here and there on half finished boxes. The situation is even less believable than this. We have found these super flat surfaces in Saqqara and Cusco. To me, this stands as a thorn in the side of archeology. Any narrative you wish to weave of copper tools needs on include how you get precision manufacturing that beats the 1960's in outcomes. To me, these flat surfaces are THE most important historical artifacts on the entire planet as they point to a past that's nothing like what we thought it was.

[@outspokengenius]

When I studies archaelogoy at OSU 2014-15. We were taught that the majority of achaelogists were coming around to the idea that the sphinx was possibly carved as a lion approximately 10,000 years ago, and the head was recarved to it's current likeness of khafre in approximately 2500 BCE.

[@Tijuanabill]

They call it Egyptology, because it's not really history or archeology, it's speculation that doesn't really qualify as science. There is nonsensical dogma that goes all the way back to ancient Greek historians. It's so hard to change the mind of an Egyptologist, they literally still believe things from when we didn't have the steam engine. Some of the most amazing works of sculpture in human history, and they think they banged two rocks together to make them. I can't take them seriously.

[@AKSnowbat907]

We k ow that it was. There's documentation that - when they found it, buried in sand with its head sticking out and ruined. He ordered it cleared and then the head was redone.

[@256k_]

@@Tijuanabill as an egyptian i agree with this sentiment. egyptologists and especially the government branch are extremely boneheaded and politically motivated. they care very little about actual knowledge.

[@B_Rabbit84]

When I look at a satellite image of North to west Africa or the richat structure it does look like a pretty massive wave washed through there tho... doesn't have to be aliens, just lost technology we'd struggle to replicate ur holy peer reviewed Archaeologists also say allot of nonsense about how you accurately carved granite statues and huge boxes were made with weaker stones n copper...don't blindly trust Egyptologists or academia, all comes down to money these days ...😢

[@wojciechpatalas6660]

Actually Gopekli Tepe is dated to be at least 11 000 years old.

[@fizur2002]

did you notice the "scoop" marks on the tops of the pillars in G.T.?

[@J.R.Carrel]

I'm just playing a video about that LOL

[@dlevi67]

That is what the video says at 2:32..

[@michaeltuite5510]

Karhan Tepe (i could be spelling that wrong) is even older - its also in Turkey. Not much about it is out there, but miniminuteman here on KZbin just did a video from when he visited it

[@Howl-Runner]

​@@earlgrey4976No one cares about your bootlicking. the lad is right, and there may be an older site in turkey.

[@ConnieHirsch]

The reason that the Grand Canyon "resembles" that electrical discharge pattern is because the physics of finding a path across resistance (think hard/soft rocks) works the same.

[@Golgiaparatus2]

Exactly. Water and electricity both follow paths of least resistance

[@silvergreylion]

In your view, that would mean that soft rock was deposited in a Lichtenberg figure/pattern by electrical discharge, surrounded by hard rock, and the soft rock was later eroded away by water.

[@WhichDoctor1]

​@@silvergreylion no, that's the exact opposite of what they mean. When high voltage electricity passes through a bit of wood and leaves a Lichtenberg pattern, it isn't because there was already a Lichtenberg pattern in the wood of the tree for the electricity to follow. The electricity just found its way through the wood in the most efficient way available to it. Just like when water flows over a flat landscape it also finds the most efficient way available to it too. The outcome looks very similar, because the mathematics is the same

[@silvergreylion]

@@WhichDoctor1 Sorry, but that's not how things work. The most efficient way would be a completely straight channel, and that's never the case. Also, electric discharges happen very fast, and water takes thousands of years, or more, to carve out channels in rock. They are extremely different processes. In soft landscapes, rivers always eventually become a snaky S-pattern (nature's way of taking a longer route, keeping water in the landscape for as long as possible), very different from a Lichtenberg pattern, but electric discharges still create them in soft landscapes. In a very flat landscape of rock of all the same hardness, water first cuts a mostly straight, slightly wavy channel, then over time it becomes a bit more wavy. Lichtenberg patterns are _purely_ a hallmark of electric discharges.

[@FretNoMore]

⁠@@silvergreylionA straight line would be logical if the ground was a homogenous material, which it isn't. And, the pattern is not a Lichtenberg pattern, it just resembles one.

[@dericrimes3116]

His last line proves advancement happens quickly, and our own experience shows that it can devolve just as quickly.

[@danielforrest2952]

Like Western Europe after the Roman decline

[@joshuaghiroli2513]

I'm having a hard time reconciling what you said about a flood destroying a civilization with your other video on doggerland. I'm not saying there was an agent civilization, but it does seem that there is evidence that there has been huge catastrophic and quick flooding

[@duudsuufd]

Doggerland were normal villages and farmland as the surrounding areas. Not an advanced civilization.

[@joshuaghiroli2513]

@@duudsuufd I'm not saying that, I'm saying it was an entire region that was washed away. So, the argument that an advanced civilization didn't occupy an area next flooding want a thing is bullshit.

[@joshuaghiroli2513]

I do agree the was no civilization, just based on that fact there would absolutely be evidence. What I'm saying is, using the tested of flooding is a flawed way to convince people.

[@donaldduck830]

@@duudsuufd Rungholt was a rich city. Dunwich was the capital of the Kingdom of the East Angles, but the harbour and most of the town have since disappeared due to coastal erosion. Vineta on the Baltic Sea is a lost city. This did not happen once, but time and again in many places, and not just to villages but to huge cities and entire civilizations.

[@QBCPerdition]

Localized flooding does and has happened. It has even sunken islands or low-lying regions, like Doggerland. However, that doesn't support a global flood, as some propose. Nor does a flood destroy all evidence of a civilization. Even if the civilization lived entirely in a place that was flooded, there are still remains to be found under water. To assume that there was an advanced civilization that could travel the globe, but it was wiped out by a localized phenomenon so utterly that there is no evidence of it left is a bit fantastical.

[@michaelwerner1836]

Boncuklu Tarla, also in Turkey, discovered in 2019, is about 1000 years older than Gobekli Tepe.

[@robot336]

Two word's , oop artifact's, some million's of year's old thousand's found and ignored because they don't fit " THE SCIENCE "

[@sfbnairb]

​@@robot336interesting, do you have any good link where I can read about this?

[@robot336]

@@sfbnairb I'll give you one , then you can do the work like everyone else has to to get around the science gate keeper's - btw archaeology is not strictly science , YT this "2-Million-Year-Old Doll" Dismissed By Academia? and consider that out of the thousand's of oop art's discovered only one has to be real to bring down the accepted " SCIENCE "

[@sfbnairb]

@@robot336 thanks, and btw I'm not doubting you I just find it interesting.

[@robot336]

@@sfbnairb COAST TO COAST AM Homo Naledi: Unveiling Ancient Hominin Discoveries Beyond Conventional Timelines

[@timothynichols7453]

I think thousands of years in the future people will look back at these videos like we look back at the ancient scrolls of our ancestors. They will see Simon in so many different videos and say he must have been an alien to do so many great videos on so many channels.

[@cmdevost]

The only way to settle this is an MMA match between Simon Whistler and Graham Hancock in the middle of the Richat structure.

[@mainsource8030]

hell yeah!!!

[@TankUni]

My money's on Simon; he's younger and has that wiry energy about him. Hancock would turn up, start going on about the Younger Dryas and get a punch in the mouth for his troubles.

[@Maria-co9eg]

And Erick von Danekin could be the referee.

[@TankUni]

​@@Maria-co9eg I wouldn't trust Erich not start throwing punches himself.

[@busterbiloxi3833]

@@Maria-co9eg Giorgio Tsoukalos could be the ring announcer.

[@deafeningoctopus]

I think it's highly likely that we haven't discovered the true oldest civilization out there yet, and it's highly possible that they were more advanced than would be expected, but what I wish people understood is that this doesn't mean they had electricity or spaceships or whatever. The only reason people believe these fringe theories is because they want them to be true, however ludicrous that might be.

[@dralord1307]

Well scientists have found that in mummies from egypt there are chemicals from plants that didnt exist in africa or europe and only existed in south american. There is a ton of things we dont know about history yet. To claim we know everything is stupid. We have also recently found out there are more tunnels and hidden rooms inside the great pyramid no one had a clue that were there before. They are closed off with no access.

[@richardwickens2923]

Not everyone thinks they had spaceships or could walk through walls, that's just the odd nutter, the same type of people who have left over alien probes - it's used as an excuse to dismiss EVERYTHING that doesn't fit the official narrative. Most people simply think that there is something wrong with the official narrative. That there is evidence that previous civilizations were more advanced than bronze tool workers with a lot of patience. What I don't understand is why people find it so hard to believe that there might have been a societal collapse and we lost technology. We lost the art of making Roman concrete (although apparently we finally figured it out) there are other things we have lost the art of making, which we freely admit, but somehow if you say this probably happened before a couple thousand years ago ... "OMG ALIENS!"

[@obi-ron]

The Egyptians used electroplated pottery to pay roman taxes, which required the use of electricity produced using acid from grape juice and brass and copper. By the time the Romans realised what was happening, the imperium had made back its losses by selling on the "gold" pots to the public so the practice continued. Whether the Egyptians used electricity for any other purposes is yet to be determined, but they did know how to use it to force a chemical process to occur when needed. As to the efforts made to create massive structures, the number of skills lost to humankind as a result of the adoption of new technologies, disasters, plagues and need is unguessable. What workers could do a century ago with less sophisticated equipment than we have today is only known about because some of their products are considered to be of value. We can make knock-off copies using all kinds of tech, but there are very few people out there who can replicate the original process. In a few decades, those skills will be lost completely, but the evidence of their abilities will remain.

[@Elfishery]

Setting aside all the plausible but undeniably unproven theories about some level of technology we would recognize as advanced in ancient civilizations, the main agreement and most reasonable evidence proposed by people like Graham Hancock, John Anthony West, Robert Shoch, Robert Deval, Randall Carlson, and many others like the esteemed professors that authored Hamlet's Mill decades ago; the evidence most undeniable is that of ancient megalithic architecture, 10,000+ years of weathering and erosion on said megaliths, implications of advanced astronomy, and a deep understanding of mathematics. I can't cover every point mentioned, but trust me there have been many books written on this subject, feigning ignorance and incredulity doesn't work if you can't even learn about the topic at hand, instead of straw man dismissive arguments. Just like saying, "alien life in the universe is a silly idea, because some people think they were abducted and implanted with tracking devices". Serious people aren't arguing that, just like serious people don't think lizard people had some technological civilization before humans, or ancient people were helped along by aliens, that's not what the discussion is about.

[@Nowaylarry]

Indeed there could very well be some level of civilization yet discovered that predates the oldest currently known. The odds of them being past copper age technology seems very low though.

[@cliffypoo11]

Melted buildings......melted brains

[@FortisKnight]

All good points mentioned here; however, let us not forget the sage advice of world renowned Carl Sagan: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. So many now accepted theories were once scoffed at, like the theory of sunspots once argued as being birds or blowing leaves in front of Therese’s one at the time of a photograph of the sun

[@TorianTammas]

Sun spotd are an observable fact. Let us not assume, let us present evidence and show facts otherwise an knvisible pink dragon lives in your garage

[@johnwilson1094]

I always say that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence unless you’re drafting a Motion for Summary Judgment and have depositions and such evidence.

[@greenockscatman]

I like the bit where they show ancient spacecraft around the pyramids in their present, ruined state. Like, it's easier for them to picture alien spacecraft than to imagine the pyramids with their original, smooth, shiny and white surface!

[@MT________]

Probably created by AI

[@MrHodoAstartes]

It's funny that they hadn't been in that state even for the founding of Rome, let alone Egypt falling under Roman influence. Even funnier that what historically was always described as a static past that spanned into mythology because oral histories make fact into song into legend into myth. This seemingly endless past with little change can in many ways be reconstructed through modern methods into a long, unimaginably complex line of historical events and processes that push the nostalgic notions of "simpler times" and "ancient tradition" out of the timeline, replacing them with eternally fast-paced changes in the lives of people who could not hold on to the volume of events by writing and compiling data. But every year, every day things changed. Always. A new chief in the tribe, a bad harvest, a new rival group, a flood, a strange animal, a plague, internal tensions etc. There was never a quiet life. Just different priorities and children not understanding what's going on, so adults with responsibilities always remember that they didn't have to worry about the roof leaking or going to war when they were five, giving the suggestions that life's issues somehow intensified from "before". But no. As the complaints of crotchety old farts through millennia and cultures show: The youth always arrogantly talked back, the wives always had too many demands, the bosses always had the temerity to want you to work and the servants/slaves/workers were always lazy.

[@Lethgar_Smith]

I like to think that the pyramids had been on the Egyptian landscape since time immemorial. They were as much a mystery to the ancient Egyptians as they are to us today. Consider the amount of work and effort that went into building these shapes. Shapes that dominate their horizon unlike any other object in their reality and yet the pyramid shape itself seems to have no meaning or cultural significance to the Egyptians of our textbooks. Where is the pyramid in their carvings and hieroglyphs? Where does the pyramid shape fit into their rich culture and religious beliefs? What is the significance of this shape to the ancient Egyptians? It doesn't have one because it doesn't belong to them.

[@WhichDoctor1]

@@Lethgar_Smith "Where does the pyramid shape fit into their rich culture and religious beliefs?" The Egyptians had a symmetrical step sided hill as one of their hieroglyphics. It depicts Benben, or the primordial mound, said in Egyptian religion to be the first bit of earth to rise above the primordial waters of chaos at the dawn of time at the instigation of Atum a ancient creator god. There was also a small pyramidal stone called the Benben stone in the temple of Ra at Heliopolis which was said to be the tip of that very primordial mound. Which they believed was the starting point of creation and symbolised the imposition of order, or Maat, on the unformed universe. The pursued of Maat (which symbolised truth, balance, order, harmony, law, morality, and justice) over chaos underpinned pretty much every aspect of their religion and culture. So this symmetrical pyramidal shape was kind of a little bit funder mental to their entire understanding of their world.

[@harrietharlow9929]

It isn't as if the original appearance of the pyramids hasn't been known for a long time. I've known about the polished white limestone covering and gold caps since I was 8 or 9, over 60 years ago.

[@richardfellows5041]

I especially liked the illustration at 15:14. Well done!

[@justletitsliiide]

People need to start understanding just how powerful and capable a collective group of humans actually is. We're super intelligent. If we all shared a common goal and worked for it, you'd be stunned how much would become possible.

[@HieronymousCheese]

And yet Bozo Johnson and Lizard Truss were both elected PM. So not THAT intelligent.

[@theadventurer2628]

Especially because the world is a dangerous place. Before modern medicine you had to be in a group to survive. It's why we're programmed to feel lonely and want to be around a group of people. Saftey in numbers.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

@@HieronymousCheese We've become less intelligent as a species in some regards, thanks to media and propaganda.

[@RetroProg]

@@HieronymousCheese Yep, the Yanks voted in Biden & Trump, Scotland voted in a Crook and the labour party voted in a massive racist. Doesn't exactly fill you with optimism about the future does it.

[@ricardosilva-xz1yt]

No. An inteligent leader with enough people behind him or her is a powerfull thing. People as a whole are dumb. We are animals that need to be sheperd. Like a herd. Unfortunatly.

[@kodax2]

The water erosion of the sphinx has been independently published and verified as being caused by long periods of heavy rainfall by several geologists. I note you dont show the enclosure where this is obvious. There are deeply cut gullies surrounding the entire enclosure. You think water vapor did that?

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

Why isn't there the same erosion on all of the enclosure walls or the Sphinx temple that is supposed to be the same age as the Sphinx? There are at least 3 other theories that are very technical geological explanations. This is not a settled fact just yet

[@kodax2]

The erosion is not uniform because rain does not fall down in perfect vertical downfalls. It's blown in by wind. The ground is not completely level and water will rush in unevenly at different point. My point is that this is a real working credible theory that is very troubling to some people because it disrupts alot of foundational time lines. The counter theories like morning dew, water vapor IMO are very hard to take seriously. @@jellyrollthunder3625

[@richardwickens2923]

@@jellyrollthunder3625 No one is saying it is, what they are saying is we need to take a closer look... with an open mind. But when people throw the baby out with the bathwater because of a few outlandish claims by the more "vibrant" scholars it does not help.

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

​@@richardwickens2923 I'm only addressing one outlandish claim and that is the central premise to the entire alternative historical body of claims, particularly that there was an advanced civilization in the ice age, more advanced than the Egyptians, that was supposedly completely removed from the archaeological, agricultural, and genetic record by some unspecified "cataclysm" during the younger-dryas period. I don't think anyone is arguing that humanity wasn't more advanced than we once thought them to be, particularly regarding the Tas Tepeller sites of Anatolia dating from around the younger dryas. But this entire discussion is related to this lost, global civilization from the last ice age. THAT is the outrageous claim here. Please tell me what you're referring to if that isn't it.

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

@@richardwickens2923 oh my mistake, I got this comment mixed up with the lost ice age civilization discussion. I think we're campaigning for the same thing. Almost all you hear about are the Shochian claims about the Sphinx's age while we have numerous other explanations which better explain the specific erosion patterns than Mesolithic precipitation. The fact that the erosion pattern isn't ubiquitous is a pretty damning piece of counter-evidence to Shoch's claims. I'm on guard when it comes to these claims that always seem to want to retroactively redate everything back to the same exact, fairly sensational younger-dryas timeline. When you notice a pattern of a group that always works backwards from their same conclusion, it's difficult not to begin dismissing their pseudo-scientific practices out of hand.

[@georgebrown2175]

Most arciologists start out with an almost closed minds. Only a small % of ancient history is still available. Why say what it can't be?

[@gregoryams]

Stop! Are you saying that people make up s#$'t to Just sell books? WHY??

[@BergenDev]

Because...MONEY! :D

[@olencone4005]

From the way some people talk online, ancient humans didn't know how to even chew their own food without some sort of alien or ancient super-civilization stepping in to help them out 🤣

[@nekozaemon3803]

Have you seen those fckn stones? Have you seen those fckn buildings? It took them ~200 years to build fckn Notre dame and it's fckn TINY dude, that church is fckn shak compared to pyramid of Giza. Are you even serious!?

[@roscojenkins7451]

A fellow fan of the historical alien butt tube hypothesis 😊

[@nekozaemon3803]

@@roscojenkins7451 I don't know about aliens, but build me a pyramid right now in Austin, Texas if it's that easy. I don't think so, nobody building pyramids anymore for some reason.

[@roscojenkins7451]

@@nekozaemon3803 making something that lasts isn't coherent to capitalism. Planned obsolescence means I couldn't even build you a phone that last more than a few years

[@nekozaemon3803]

@@roscojenkins7451 this sht is like democracy. It's bad, but it's only one that actually working.

[@jackhudson4816]

“No evidence of an advanced civilisation around the time of the younger dryas” Proceeds to show gobekli tepe with the throw away comment “but there’s no evidence they were globe trotting”

[@benrockefeller6334]

Yes... Because a couple of sites localized to a single region is not evidence of a globe-spanning civilization.

[@ignitionfrn2223]

0:45 - Chapter 1 - Ancient apocalyspe by massive flood 4:10 - Chapter 2 - Melted buildings theory 7:30 - Chapter 3 - Age of the sphinx 11:10 - Chapter 4 - Creationist foot prints 13:55 - Chapter 5 - Lost advanced technology

[@dominicJbalconi]

There's advanced pottery from very hard stone with a tolerance of less than the width of a human hair. In a museum in Egypt this is literally next to hand painted pottery poorly mimicking the clearly machined stone work.

[@AgentChachi]

It would be weird to think we have all the answers. I’m not saying it’s aliens or anything, but I do think the resistance of established archaeology to any new ideas is ridiculous.

[@neovenom7187]

exactly, not only that, they refute any theory of others who have actual knowledge on specific subjects which they do not have. An archaeologist is not an engineer, or geologist. Yet for some reason we hust accept their explanation?

[@duudsuufd]

It IS the same problem with 'aliens'. The brainwashed scientists start searching for ridiculous, almost not proven, natural explanations for things that happen unexpectedly. Something like Ouamoua (too lazy now to search for the exact name). Some real scientists have looked at it with 'it could be aliens', not sure about it but as a base to start their research, but they were soon silenced.

[@richardwickens2923]

What annoys me is that only a FEW people are saying Aliens - but the entire idea is lumped in with the nutters, all in a concerted effort to discredit it. Only a FEW people are saying "Super Advanced Ancient Civilization" - what MOST people are saying is "it doesn't add up, we are missing something" and calling for a more thorough examination with an open mind.

[@Viennery]

Ancient civilization theory usually involves civilizations as advanced as Rome, but somehow gets warped into being described as some kind of alien sci-fi futurism.

[@davidkulmaczewski4911]

I'm sure every scientific discipline has it's amateurs and cranks, but it's always archaeologists you see getting so butthurt about heterodox theories. I've never seen a physicist make a video gleefully dunking on perpetual motion machines. I've never seen a biologist make a smarmy video destroying cryptozoology (though I've seen a few doing it to creationists and intelligent design proponents). I've never seen a neurologist make a screed against psychic abilities. They just don't seem to see the need to "debunk" ideas that they find to be ridiculous. But man, the archaeologists seem to relish ripping apart the Younger Dryas crowd. They even went so far as to call Graham Hancock racist for his Netflix show, I believe. There's nothing I'd like more than to see some new discoveries cause mainstream archaeology to eat crow.

[@igator210]

i'm a bit skeptic about the Sphinx head... not in a ancient aliens or lost civilization aspect, but of a human hubris aspect. I can envision that a lion like sculpture was created with pretty accurate dimension by someone. As time went on, the head was recarved to match the current ruler. And as rulers were changed, it was recarved again. This would account for the smaller scale of the head compared to the body. Do I have any proof? Heck no. Just one of those "What ifs" I get myself into late at night.

[@jules1again]

Puma Punku is a place I'd love to get your take on. No, seriously, you may be surprised.

[@grecoconduris6716]

Towards the end there, Simon mentioned, we know the method for ancient stone working down to very tight tolerances. Does anyone know where there is a study or video on this? Ben from uncharted X I take as a very well-meaning, rational and truthful person and would of thought he would know about this is it was available.

[@DogFish-NZ]

it's the jars that would be a good place to start. if there's the evidence of how they did it , please explain to the rest of us. then the giant granite boxes in small corridors. how'd you get the ammout of people in there to move them ?

[@blerghflurg4327]

Simon lost it here. Such shame.

[@intelligentidiot502]

I lost a lot of respect for Simon over this. For someone claiming to research things, he has dropped the ball badly here... Watch UnchartedX episodes on ANY of this and then explain how you can still parrot the BS you scripted for this video... GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER SIMON. I truly like your work. Don't damage your credibility.

[@nutbastard]

This whole video reeks of status quo, ignorant out of hand dismissal, and closed mindedness. I’m a huge fan of all of Simon’s channels but this one is at best ill informed and at worst intentionally dismissive of new discoveries. It’s a real shame. Invoking the phrase “conspiracy theorists” and “pseudoscientists” as dirty words to disparage those who are questioning the established narrative, I had hoped this sort of thing was beneath Simon. Turns out he’s just a mouthpiece, a talking head, cashing in on controversial topics.

[@aserta]

We know it because we've done it ourselves. There's thousands of tight fitting stones in every place around the world. The difference is ancient people didn't have the advanced tools we have, BUT, they had patience. Patience we've lost today. The very notion of "generational projects" is an obscure thing for us, in the fast paced society we live in. Back then, spending 100 years to build up a structure wouldn't be any different than the notion that the Sun is always up in the morning today. Other than that, we're probably very much alike ... if you ignore masses of stupidity clumped around the internet...

[@DerMetzenger]

11:32 yes, Simon that is how science works, but you forgot the part where new evidence is discovered that may raise questions and change the concensus, as has happened many times throughout history.

[@KenLieck]

The coolest thing about the Sphinx is that even before you start dating it, you know there's going to be a little head involved...

[@jspurg]

Simon forgot to mention the same credible archaeologist are the ones that damaged the pyramid and are trying to cover up the internal ramp theory. There's a great video on how they used the walls around the sphinx to properly date it.

[@localenterprisebroadcastin5971]

Simon is a paid actor and says whatever BS script is fed to him. Nearly every criticism he had against these theories is an ad-hominem argument.

[@mrnobody2873]

@@localenterprisebroadcastin5971 Either that or just plain wrong. Archeologists didn't date the sphinx to the earlier period as stated, geologists did. Additionally, the date geologists gave, puts the excavation timeframe of the enclosure overlapping with what was later established as the period G.T. was in use.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

Yeah .That's what we Archaeologist do. Cover up top secret 'internal ramp theories ' and hiding the Sphinx real age. .Imagine the panic once that gets out !

[@timsytanker]

@@localenterprisebroadcastin5971 And what is your conclusive evidence that they are all real?

[@nathanielacton3768]

@@spiritualanarchist8162 I'm not an Archaeologist I design large IT banking systems normally as upgrades to 20 year old systems. A little bit similar in that we're trying to work out how things works and what they are used for without documentation. I'm genuinely interested to hear you take on 3 things, no trick question or sark: 1) Construction technique for the box at Saqqara. In particular how internal corners are produced to micron level flatness. You would need a CNC tip about half a mm wide. 2) UnchartedX Metrologist report of a small simple vase. The symmetry and precision is something that should require quality metal lathes and probably diamond tipped CNC machines for the protrusions. Look at youtube here : /watch?v=PrhFnai2TGs 3) The tunnel wall in Cusco that's 8m long and has a standard deviation of 1.5 microns. Cut directly in to the natural stone, not manufactured and dragged in to position. If you only want to consider one, look at (2). The metrologist report is published and can be downloaded along with the point cloud in STL file format. I have found no plausible technique for the construction of these kinds of items other than technological capability far in excess to the tooling and capabilities that are attributed to this time period. Nobody except these kind of YT channels is approaching these problem is any kind of open way that I can find. They are outliers that stand in defiance of the models. From a scientific POV, they are the falsification of the models. To me, that says opportunity, not problem.

[@adamhodgson8851]

* When it comes to a lost civilization and the age of the sphinx remember that Gobekli Tepe has used radiocarbon dating to place it around 9000 BCE. Boncuklu Tara is dated to be as old as 12,000 years old! Until recently we had no idea about these sites. What are the odds that these are in fact the first civilized societies? Also being advanced does not mean spacecrafts, teleportation, time travel and lasers. It could be as simple as an agricultural society that is past the hunter gatherer stage. As you stated there is peer reviewed evidence of global catastrophes that would have totally changed the world. If anything like that happened even today we would be lucky to survive. Another issue I have is that it is not only sudo-scientists that believe the possible loss of a civilization and the age of the sphinx. You said that the consensus on the sphinx is that scientists believe dew, moisture in the air and such resulted in the water erosion on the sphinx. Yet not only do many geologists disagree with this (since you can see cascading water marks on the side) but as you said the bottom was shielded by the sand so dew and air moisture could not get to it. You also said the reason the body was so large is because the sand covered the bedrock and workers may not have realized it’s size. When they saw the size it still could have easily been removed. There are also many other reasons why the sphinx and some pyramids are debated to be much older by credible scientists that it doesn’t seem you are aware of. Many items have been found suggesting ancient societies (some disputable I agree) but they are often disregarded as they do not fit in with the accepted timeline. I do agree that many of the ideas you presented are way out there and not peer reviewed or credible. However I think it is the height of ignorance to suggest we think we know for certain exactly how everything happened or came to be. Everyday science, math, technology and the world changes. Dates are constantly pushed back farther and farther. Things we knew to be true become outdated and criticized. Maybe keep a bit more of an open mind. 🌍🧠

[@richardpatton2502]

I think it’s time for a video on Simons watch collection All the best to everyone

[@stevehuot1979]

This episode is a tad different than the rest

[@MichaelGuanga-nb9rm]

Yea, I like him less after this tbh

[@Stichting_NoFa-p]

When it comes to the 5th theory, you haven't disproved anything. The fact that there is a more simple explanation(if any) for the constructions doesn't disprove any other explanation. Actually, the idea of the pyramids being built all by primitive hand tools to carve all those massive blocks into precise shapes and then and move them all the way up and on top on each other simply with muscle power doesn't sound like a simple theory at all.

[@kevinfoster1138]

WOW Lloyd Waldo the closing line was amazing it really puts our modern thinking into perspective. Summarizing "our astronauts parents rode horses to work." Brilliant, fantastic piece of writing. Thank you again Lloyd for this episode.

[@zorrodahousecat9104]

He actualy wipes out his own entire argument with that last statement, whilst it was impossible for a advanced civilization to exist next to hunter gatherers, the astronauts parents on horseback make the same point, the contrast is developement over a short period of time can be huge, not to mention the location, there are still people today who ride their horse to work.

[@bundymccain2642]

@@zorrodahousecat9104 There are hunter-gatherer tribes on five of the seven continents today!! To say an advanced culture cannot live with a stone age one is ludicrous!

[@kaldogorath]

@@bundymccain2642 While you are correct, we have absolutely no evidence of an advanced civilization before written history.

[@bundymccain2642]

@@kaldogorath In 12-15,000 years they wouldn't be able to find NYC.

[@aneasteregg8171]

​@@bundymccain2642Bullshit.

[@jameslivi8168]

Point 3 As per experts, Gunung Padang is the world's oldest pyramidal structure and was built atop an extinct volcano before civilisations existed and humans delved into agriculture. As per new data found by scientists in Indonesia, its interior hides large open chambers which contain many unknown elements.

[@skorza212]

People who believe this stuff need to watch an Amish barn raising. A huge structure erected entirely with basic hand tools over a weekend, with no real engineer (in our modern sense) in charge. Then extrapolate what can be achieved without power tools given 50 years where every craftsman has been perfecting their skills for his entire life. Or even easier, look at a medieval cathedral. No one (I hope) is arguing humans with simple hand tools couldn’t have built them. Ok, their tools were steel not copper with sand as a cutting medium, but work crews were also orders of magnitude smaller than the Egyptians could get involved. The “it’d take too long” argument totally ignores the question of “what else would these stone masons have to do?”, the fertility provided by the Nile meant that not everyone had to be a farmer, and so people could be freed up to perfect other trades. They had to earn a wage somehow, surly they are going to push for bigger and more labour intense projects to be commissioned. They’re not going to fight for a commission they know can’t be done, but they’ve seen other pyramids, know how they’re made and know how they work. it’s an easy sell and to everyone’s benefit to just make a bigger one.

[@garyjust.johnson1436]

The men who landed on the moon had parents who rode around in horse pulled buggies is a very profound statement and truly shows what humans are capable of accomplishing in a very small period of time!

[@Nylak-Otter]

To be fair, I was born in the late 80's and I rode a horse to work until I finished my undergrad.

[@shdwbnndbyyt]

The problem with a rising sea level (which ended up to be over 100 meters in some areas), is that your skilled artisans, who have generations of built-up infrastructure at their current locations, have to pick up, move and rebuild. On top of that, the older artisans with much of the knowledge still being in the process of being handed down (a lifetime process), are more likely to die along the way, either by disease or by attacks of rival cities/tribes. So with each move, infrastructure and knowledge was lost. Often by the several generations needed to rebuild the infrastructure (remember - you have to earn a living and gather resources for the reconstruction) were completed, you had to move again, either from rising sea levels or from attacks by other groups wanting your new, less defended (decent city walls can take generations to build) location. Human civilization tends to congregate along waterways, and often in the fertile lush coastlands where transport by boat is much more efficient and less costly than by land. So over time, many of these once "advanced" groups lost their technology base and knowledge, and had to relearn how to do things, while maintaining in their oral and written traditions the memory of the past... Often, as they were forced out of the best living areas, their technology dropped back to "hunter/gatherer", if they did not have people with farming or shepherding skills in their group. A similar case in the Dark Ages about 536 AD, when due to the darkening of the sun for a decade caused the collapse of many cities, towns and farming became impossible in the northern climes. For over a decade, people in northern Europe were forced to become hunter/gatherers. And much knowledge, skills and techniques were lost and had to be relearned after the crops could grow once more.

[@jamisojo]

Yeah. We have dinosaur fossils, but no evidence of any advanced builders earlier than what is widely accepted by everyone already.

[@dominican5683]

What bothers me is how modern people insist that we're currently the pinnacle of human development and achievement and assume our ancestors couldnt possibly have been as advanced as us...its the arrogance i dont like

[@elizabethsullivan7176]

We may be at the "height" of technology, but we're also at the height of laziness.

[@benrockefeller6334]

It's not arrogance if you can back it up. - Hawkeye, Marvel Comics

[@jacyg.3073]

Age of the Sphinx? Dunno. Is it 15,000 years old? Dunno. But I do know that weathering pattern on the surrounding walls is water damage. That's not sand or wind, it's flowing water, lots of flowing water.

[@dnocturn84]

3:10 Ancient apocalypse by massive flood: it's also important to mention, that most ancient flood myths refer to different flood events and almost never to single event on global scale, due to placing their corresponding flood story at vastly different ages. Sometimes it is more than thousands of years between such events. Cross referencing all existing flood myths and putting them on a timeline does not show any of them to match up with one another.

[@darkhorseman8263]

Many meteor events have lead to months of endless rain, globally. We have evidence of this. There were global floods, but not to the exaggerated extent the stories describe.

[@DogFish-NZ]

we had a flood in New Zealand a few months ago that was devastating. not at the same time as hurricane catrina. fascinating.

[@ARabidPie]

The real explanation for the prevalence of flood myths is simply that humans need water to live and thus usually lived near rivers. Rivers periodically flood, occasionally catastrophically. Similarly, coastal communities would have experienced things like tsunamis, major storms, and post-glacial sea level rise. Ergo, most civilizations are going to end up with a story about that one time a really bad flood wiped out all the nearby villages within walking distance anyone had ever heard of (e.g. the whole world) or about how 'when i was a young whippersnapper like you there used to be a bunch of coastal lowlands over here but now it's all underwater'.

[@Loralanthalas]

​@@DogFish-NZlots of Christians pretend that because different societies have a flood in their mythos/history that's evidence of ONE FLOOD ....that lasted for 40 days with 1 dude and his family in a boat. .... hi cousin 👋

[@justindavid9979]

Ancient flood myths specify "single" "global" flooding, not different flood events. SOME modern interpretations suggest that those myths may have been inspired by local flood events. SOME modern interpretations suggest that there was a global event that caused floods around the world, to which many myths allude. There was no catastrophic flood in the Fertile Crescent during the time of the Sumarians or Jews, just frequent flash floods. The Gilgamesh and the Biblical Great Flood myths are believed to be taken from older sources predating those two civilizations, possibly a shared ancient source. We have no "dates" to match up. How do you begin dating the origins of South American flood myths? They were ancient word-of-mouth mythologies that were at some point recorded in temples or on carvings. The dates of those temples do not date the myths.

[@grr-OUCH]

I had never heard the melted building theory before. I accidentally stumbled upon most of the other ideas when doing research for a setting that I wanted to run for a roleplaying game. Deciding that it would make a fun alternate-history, I made them be true for that setting. As for the young Earth theory, I have always seen that as a BS idea to "prove" the Bible is true.

[@motionsheepz]

Next youll be saying the pyramids were tombs 😂

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

Please tell my you think they were electric generators, lol. PLEEEASE????

[@motionsheepz]

@@jellyrollthunder3625 To assume, makes an ass of u and me. If you think they were tombs, please give me a single piece of evidence. Just 1. PLEEEASE

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

@@motionsheepz OK, I'll give you SEVERAL. The Egyptians DO refer to them as tombs In the Harper Song of Intef (sp?) from 2nd millennium B.C.E. says "The Gods who existed before, who rest in their pyramids, and the blessed nobles, likewise buried in their pyramids", also the Abbot papyrus of the 20th dynasty (1100 BCE) documents robberies of many of the kings and queens tombs, some of which they clearly state are pyramids. Then there are the Pyramid Texts for the 5th and 6th dynasties which instruct the kings and queens on their journey into the AFTERLIFE. It makes sense that texts about the afterlife would be placed in TOMBS. Also the pyramids are located inside of necropolises. The pyramids were the central structures in a vast necropolis of burial structures such as satellite pyramids, mastabas and mortuary temples, offering shrines, etc. This suggests that Giza was a place for the dead to be interred. They are all in context. The fact that mortuary temples were built right next to the pyramids directly implies they were intended as TOMBS. There is overwhelming evidence that pyramids were an evolution of mastaba tombs. They have many of the same features and we know mastabas were tombs. The earliest pyramid, the pyramid of Djoser is clearly built upon a mastaba tomb. It was a direct evolution of the mastaba burial practices. Sneferu of the 4th dynasty further experimented with pyramid technology and suggests that pyramids can trace their ancestry back to mastaba tombs. Also burial equipment has been found in pyramids such as sarcophagi and coffins. Under one of Menkaure's queens tombs a pink sarcophagus was found and part of a wooden coffin was found in the main pyramid of Menkaure. the presence of this equipment suggests a mortuary purpose. ALSO the remains of mummified bodies have been found in pyramids: a mummy was found in the pyramid of king Merenre Nemtyemsaf fourth king of the Sixth Dynasty. It was laying right next to his sarcophagus. Also many fragments of mummies have been found in other pyramids: a mummified foot was found in Djoser's pyramid, a right arm, some pieces of skull, and other bones were found in the pyramid of Unas. An arm and a shoulder in Teti's pyramid, a skull, legs and part of a torso were found in the recently discovered pyramid of one of Teti's wives, fragments of a mummy in the pyramid of Pepe the first, some mummy wrappings in the pyramid of Pepe the second, mummy fragments in the wooden coffin of Menkaure's pyramid, and burnt bone in the Amenemhat III's pyramid. The remains of Sesheshet, wife of Teti has been genetically verified, proving that the pyramids were being used as tombs as early as the 6th dynasty. The later kings who were interred in the tombs after the original burials clearly state that they are an effort to RESTORE the previous king's tomb, suggesting that a tomb was also the original purpose. And finally, the private burials from the new kingdom had chapels place above them upon which they placed small pyramids which nevertheless shows the association between pyramids and burial. I suggest you check out the World Of Antiquity channel on YT, particularly the video entitled "The True Purpose Of The Pyramids". The alternative history community has failed you. Will I ever hear from you again???

[@motionsheepz]

@jellyrollthunder3625 still waiting

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

@@motionsheepz still waiting on what? I sent you several examples 2 days ago? Do you not see it? I can repost if you like

[@rybohh]

" we are not evolving to get smarter" understatement of the century 😂

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

except the archaeological record show a clear, gradual progression of technology.

[@JosieJoeMcK-tg6rx]

It disturbs me how he ignores the well documented flooding of the Black Sea area which would have been several feet per day, and the way he casually says 'nile flooding' when the Nile is more than 150 fucking feet below the Giza plateau. While 99% of these mad theories are total fantasy, it definitely feels like he has an agenda he needs to push. I'm not even gonna start on the blatantly obvious examples of what can only be precision steel cutting tools all over the Giza plateau. It sounds like Zahi Hawass wrote this script.

[@DeathlyTired]

The Atlantis myth is weird. It starts with one source: Plato He explains pretty directly that he made it up to serve an allegorical purpose. Yet it persists.

[@Spectre4913]

It's not though. There are many references to an ancient world wide maritime civilization by almost every culture from BC times. The issue is when you start calling it atlantis. That's not what's its inhabitants called it so you will never find an ancient reference to that name before Plato. You need to look at what the people that lived in the America's say about "atlantis". They will tell you all about it if you want to listen.

[@DeathlyTired]

@@Spectre4913 Nearly all of what is codified as Atlantean myth begins with Plato's description, or later re-interpretations and retro-fittings of it. Other mythical maritrime stoties are not the same as Atlantean myth. You can't just conflate disparate stories for your convenience simply because they in some way or another involve the sea and it suits you to do so. Chinese, Indian and African myths tell of great ancient wars. No one credibly does, or should, contest that they refer to the same war. How do we know what the mythical Atlanteans called their realm, and that Plato was thus wrong to call it that? Spare me the thinly veiled insinuations of your final statements; implying that because I find contrary to youirself, my mind is somehow closed to truth.

[@Spectre4913]

@@DeathlyTired they were writing about it in Central America before Plato was born so I don't see how that's possible. You should go look into before you just repeat what you're told.

[@Spectre4913]

@@DeathlyTired you should look up the term disparate. The stories are nearly identical in the description of the culture and land area they occupy. You can call them disparate if you want but it doesn't change the fact that they describe the same place during the same time period.

[@gregbors8364]

I always assumed that the Atlantis story described the Minoan civilization and its destruction by the volcanic eruption on the island of Santorini

[@jeffdingle9677]

Also the ancients had all the time in the world to carry out these feats of engineering and construction. They had nothing else to do but eat, drink, work and survive - and often do what they were told... No TV, internet, or football to distract them. If a project took a 100 years, then it took 100 years - they were in no rush....

[@tempest411]

Don't forget about all that free labor. Slaves were very common back then, in most all societies.

[@BenS3.]

@@tempest411 well it's already been proven that the pyramids in Egypt were not built by slaves.

[@tempest411]

@@BenS3. I doubt that. Considering the morality of the era, the need for free Egyptians to tend to the basics of food and other industries, using slaves for the bulk of the grunt work is the only way such structures would even be feasible.

[@BenS3.]

@@tempest411 doubt it all you want, it doesn't change anything. 🤷🏽‍♂️. That's why I said it's been "proven".... 👍🏽

[@JBlochNielsen]

@@tempest411 Farming when it is the season needs a great deal of people, during sowing and harvesting in particular. The rest of the time these people are free to do other things. Like providing the hard labor required for large construction work. Slavery would be one source of a large workforce but it most certainly is not the only one.

[@popecorkyxxiv2363]

I would love an episode about the concept of evolutionary paradigms, aka telescopic evolution. TLDR: Life doesn't just adapt to survival, it also adapts to the process of adaption by creating independently evolving systems that help drive biological selection.

[@busterbiloxi3833]

It also adapts to the adaption of the process of adaption.

[@asylumental]

I am definitely not as much of a skeptic as you are, and i can tell you present information based on your existing bias, but nonetheless i do enjoy watching your channels and am subscribed to many 😀

[@wesw9586]

Lol just wait til you get to some WWII content. This man is bias incarnate.

[@asylumental]

@@wesw9586 yeah and he's ao condescending like everyone who doesn't believe what he believes is an absolute idiot. 🙄

[@Docfly62]

​@wesw9586 I know right. Simon probably doesn't even know the Earth is flat.

[@asylumental]

@@Docfly62 🤣

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

@@Docfly62 In which simulation? o.O lol

[@timacheson9296]

He actually pointed out evidence in the intro. 40,000 vases found that would take a specialized 5 axis lathe, or the ability to 3D print granite to produce. 40,000 of them.

[@classydays43]

I think people forget the scale of time it took to build these structures. The Temple of Jupiter in Lebanon took three hundred years to construct. That means if construction began when America gained independence, it would still be under construction for another seventy three years.

[@gregstubbington1703]

And the pyramid shape is probably the most common shape in nature for a peaked structure. It's a simple shape. That's why ancient builders used it. If nature creates paths to the gods, maybe they'd notice humans building them, gain their notice and favour

[@Loralanthalas]

Yeah. Once a pile of sand was explained to me, I got it. It's the simple stuff ... and sometimes why "learned man" is so stumped.

[@arturama8581]

The pyramids a 'simple shape' from nature? Have you ever really looked at the shape of the pyramids? There's nothing simple about it and it's absolutely nothing nature could create. Unless you believe mathematics to be natural. The pyramids are not 4 sided, but 8 sided in exactly the same size and orientation. Tell me what natural phenomenon is an example of that?

[@Seriksy]

As @arturama8581 said. There's nothing simple about the Pyramids. The engineering is mind boggling. The precise placements, base, inner tunnels, perfectly cut carvings etc.

[@jatticusfinch9015]

@@Seriksycertainly not simple, but in comparison to the Hoover Dam, or the International Space Station, definitely indicative of the technology and engineering of the day.

[@dumisarankin2114]

The pyramids are 8 sided my dude. Not simple at all

[@hibaakaiko3888]

When we evolved to be homo sapien sapien, we evolved with the exact same brain power as modern humans. 'Primitive' doesnt mean smaller brains or stupidity. It's just a left over discriminatory adjective that we really should get rid of. Ancient people may not have had a grasp of advanced Mathematics or physics. But just because you haven't discovered that 'a squared +b squared =c squared' yet, doesn't mean you can't figure out how to draw a triangle accurately. For a modern example; i suck at understand how advanced algebra and calculus works. Especially when given word problems. People who understand these things can derive an equation from a jumble of words and come out with the correct answer. Pretty modern and advanced of them, right? However, given enough time and effort i can come out with a correct answer too (at least 80% of the time). Just not the correct equation. I'm a plug and chug solver. I may not find the easiest path to the correct answer but i get there eventually. That is just what our ancestors did. And just because you can't figure out how they did it without advanced mathematics just shows that you can not think outside the box to a viable solution.

[@clonefox80]

Ask an archaeologist how water erosion works,,,,

[@elijahfredrickson8602]

Remember: the discoverer of Troy was a conspiracy theorist. Then he found it, and the experts ate their hats. "Experts" are just people who want you to do what they say

[@Viennery]

Theorists: Based on countless shared folk stories and religions about a global cataclysm that roughly coincides with a impact event around the same time, we suggest that an ancient civilization(no more advanced than Rome) that possibly had global trade and contact, was wiped out and had to restart civilization after a period of hunting and gathering for survival. Everyone else: LULz theY tHink AliEns deStroYedd a sci-fi futUrisTic plAnet!!!

[@tim1398]

The Laurentide ice sheet over what is now Hudsons Bay Canada is believed to have had a large ice dam that burst giving way to a sudden rise of sea level of ~1ft that may have resulted in a tsunami like event on the west coast of what is now UK and helped quickly submerge (along with more gradual melt) what was Doggerland.

[@roninhare9615]

The problem I have when we dismiss what could and couldn’t have been in the past is this. If we were to suffer a catastrophic event today, world altering end of modern civilization as we know it. How much technology would be lost? We have a small % of people who know how to make the things we use today. The rest of us just consume and use technology’s accommodations. Get hit by a asteroid, mile high tidal waves across the globe… who is there to rebuild? We can take a guess at how things were done, but they are lost. We tell stories to your children and after a couple of generations, it becomes myth, fairytales, an improbability that isn’t possible and none of the newer generations have any idea of what was lost. If any of it is found, the superstition of man gets the better then them. I find it incredibly hard to believe that this is our first real world civilization. A reset took us back thousands of years.

[@TorianTammas]

Yes this id called the middle ages as a lot got lost as the Roman empire in the west fell apart. So the problem is the lacn of knowledge of history and so one falls prey to charlatanes and is an easy mark.

[@ModeSOLOgaming]

I came across a few videos that I think were trying to claim that buildings here in America weren't built by us, but rather an ancient civilization. I'm talking like 1800s and maybe earlier. I barely could pay attention though because my eyes rolled into the back of my head so hard I got a headache.

Oh the mud flood dummies, spectacularly stupid.

[@mikeychimbira1453]

yeah i was there. u get into it cus ur high then u realize its rotting your brain

[@ModeSOLOgaming]

@@mikeychimbira1453 lmao.

[@danelynch7171]

You mean the fictional creepy pasta stories about monuments and statues? Are you sure you weren't watching something clearly labeled as fiction and you took it seriously?

@@danelynch7171 Tartarian mud flood.

[@Channel5Nouzz]

I like Simon. I do. I’m not always agreeing with him but it’s ok. In fact, this is why I like him. He is challenging certains aspects of my « belief » systems. Sometimes I could question the way he kinda laugh at certain theories but hey, it’s his channel he can do what he wants.

[@mickieg1994]

I do find it fascinating when people talk about these really old structures where we just have no comparison with regards to the sheer amount of manpower required to create some of these old structures and yet how exactly they did it is lost to time. Like the pyramids for example I'd love to have some idea of what the construction was like, must of been tens of thousands of people working at any one time and the surrounding settlements to serve the workers needs would of been immense too.

[@johngatewood4638]

The Egyptians were excellent record keepers. There are contemporary writings on all of your questions.

[@DogFish-NZ]

it's the jars that would be a good place to start. then the giant granite boxes in small corridors. how'd you get the ammout of people in there to move them ?

[@richardjohnson8009]

My question would also be where did the rest of the buildings and structures go, the pyramids are not in their original state either, they had a casing stone and something on top of each thats missing

[@mickieg1994]

@@richardjohnson8009 I get what you mean, I suppose many of the structures were torn down and their materials repurposed, as most would of only been there for a single purpose anyway. Apparently the original look of the pyramids was covered in limestone or marble, something like that, trouble is there was nobody around to stop the next ruler from stealing it all to build something new, rather than go through the effort or sourcing new materials. However I have no knowledge of where these pieces went after their removal.

[@Beeroclock81]

@@johngatewood4638 they didn't keep a record of the building of the great pyramid, especially how they lifted 70t granite blocks so high off the ground that went in the king's chamber

[@OldieBugger]

My thought of the old time stonemasons making these clever stone items: they were just so good at what they were working on.

[@nathanielacton3768]

I strongly disagree. Have a look at the recent UnchartedX videos where they do highly detailed technical analysis with real world Metrologists (measurement specialists) and investigated things like symmetry, flatness, etc. There are pile and pile of items stacked like trash that have accuracy down to the micron. This was not 'skilled masons'. US Aerospace engineers are then called in to propose techniques on how certain 'hard' things can be made and they concluded that the technology to reproduce or even MEASURE some of these pieces did not exist until the 1980's. Meaning, we got to the moon with less precision than these pieces have. Lets you mind settle on the how then. Saying that a 'skilled craftman' did it is like saying that if the skilled craftsmen tried 'really hard' they could have made a moonbase and all the tech to get there too. This is the reason the controversy exists. My take is, how long does metals and other materials take to fully oxidise on earth. Has it all 'rusted away'. Do we really think that the precursor's who did this managed it with pounding stone and flint shipping. Again, were talking about perfect services with micron level perfection. How?

[@OldieBugger]

@@nathanielacton3768 🙄

[@jerryb.9754]

How about massive passage of time to explain lack of material evidence?

[@zufalllx]

So you're telling me that the part of the Sphinx that's underground had more erosion than the head that was above ground and that's normal? Since when do you start a project on the top and end on the bottom with the top looking the newest in the bottom looking the oldest? I don't think you've quite thought this through

[@ARabidPie]

Sedimentary rocks like limestone aren't uniform. Different layers can form under different environmental conditions. This can make one layer slightly weaker than another which can lead to differential rates of erosion. This is the same effect that produces features like natural stone arches.

[@Kahadi]

Well, aside from what the other reply says: The Great Sphinx of Giza has been excavated several times throughout history. Research suggests it was made about 2500 BCE, the surroundings used as a quarry to build the pyramids as well as a temple in front of the Sphinx. Around 400-500 years later, around 2181-2055 BCE, the Giza necropolis was abandoned. Being higher up, the head would have been far better protected from blowing sand than the body as it slowly became buried up to the shoulders. Then around 1400 BCE, Thutmose IV ordered an excavation and eventually managed to uncover the front paws. Once again, the head would have been higher above the sands and thus more protected from blowing sand as it became buried again. It's believed there was another excavation around 150 years later, but that's unconfirmed. If it did happen, that's more time that the lower body would have been exposed, and being higher up, the head would have been more protected from the blowing sand. Another excavation was done in the first century AD, which is when they built steps down to it and a podium to view it from (which apparently was torn down in the 1930s). This would once again leave the bottom portion exposed to blowing sands, with the head far above the ground and thus more protected. It would remain uncovered until at least 200 AD, and with the fall of the Roman Empire, it would be left to once again become buried in the sand. The Sphinx would remain buried up to the head until yet another excavation began in 1817, which lasted at least until 1887. It has remained uncovered ever since, once again exposing the lower body to blowing sands while the head remains more protected up high. So... There you go. Even without the fact that the lower body is made of a softer stone than the head, there's the fact that the lower body has been excavated several times, providing plenty of time for it to erode before becoming buried again. The same sand that buried the body would have eroded it in the process while the head was more safe, further above the sands. Even if it had all been the same hardness of stone, the body would have had more chance to erode than the head.

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

it's a softer limestone than the head. You should look into the different layers of limestone that make up the sphinx .

[@y0sarian]

It’s funny that this is so controversial, we literally had the fall of Rome, and it took us 2000 years to regain their technological advancements. We just figured out why their concrete is better than ours recently. They didn’t have flying cars but they were more advanced than the dark ages that followed.

[@QRS666]

Blame religion and especially Christinity for that,. They put a cap to any progress and censured what was allready known. That is how you go back in time....

[@professorsmiles7]

Now it’s them and governments

[@jdfriar]

Im not sure the earth is round. I look left it looks flat. I look right it looks flat. Some people look mad when i say, hey maybe it is flat? And lately those people are making my life harder... Maybe flat. Dosnt matter from where I sit.

[@Anthony_247]

Man got through this without saying Graham Hancock….. Impressive.

[@patrickquinlan3056]

Perhaps he is afraid of a lawsuit. he deserves one for this nonsense, "...there's no evidence that the evidence they existed was lost in a giant flood." 2:45 Perhaps the evidence of the evidence they existed was actually lost in a giant flood.

[@AllenAndMarie]

​@patrickquinlan3056 , He also failed to mention that Göbekli Tepe was also built in a time when we were supposedly in the stage of hunter-gatherers and supposedly 6000 years before we had the capability of such a feat.

[@patrickquinlan3056]

@@AllenAndMarie Yes, he revealed his bias when he dismissed Plato's story. I don't believe he really understands Plato.

[@xredskaterstar]

I get a kick out of these comments. As soon as you start spitting truth and logical ideas people start getting upset. This channel is not based on wishy washy thinking but concrete evidence.

[@patrickquinlan3056]

Check out this comment: Is this logical? "...there's no evidence that the evidence they existed was lost in a giant flood." 2:45 Perhaps the evidence of the evidence they existed was actually lost in a giant flood. The absence of any evidence is a ridiculous assumption based on bias. You cannot debunk something by saying there is no evidence unless you are prepared to look for the evidence and thoroughly prove it is not there, and that is a the point Graham Hancock keeps repeating. I don't care either way. However, if you refuse to look through the telescope as the cardinals did with Galileo you will never see reality. The Egyptologists who hate Hancock challenged him to show any other comparable artifact to the Sphinx built around the time Hancock claimed - just after the . Take a break for a decade or two and up pops Göbekli Tepe. Mainstream archeologists wasted no time in trying to dismiss any claims other than their own theories. Academics are so amusing.

[@Lupine.]

Man... the amount of people committed to the JRE Archaeologists without question is wild.

[@stalkingtiger777]

I still think science can do to show stove humility. If multiple cultures without contract with each other across multiple continents and oceans all seem to agree on some mass flooding event, I find it hard to dismiss it so quickly. It might just be that we don't know what we're looking for. It's happened more than once already. Legendary tombs being found after thousands of years, mass graves as per described by legends being unearthed, etc.

[@lazydragon97]

Absolutely, it's baffling that this is dismissed so casually, when it absolutely is evidence of contact or common origin, or that there really was a global flood. It's also funny how we make new discoveries all the time that push the date of civilization back, but still refuse to do any excavations in areas that are now underwater, even though we know that the sea level was 120 meters lower when Gobekli Tepe was built.

[@sirnetflix7162]

@@lazydragon97 Yeah, it's one thing to scoff at the idea of aliens helping the ancient Egyptians build the pyramids because that's a big leap, but to say it is fundamentally impossible that a big flood happened simply on the basis of, "Well, nothing has been discovered yet to prove it" is not even a great argument. There are two ways such a global flood story was passed, either it DID happen and the event was passed down or it is an explanation humans clung to in order to make sense of climate change. But if scientists say the water level hardly rose much at all in the grand scheme, it makes ZERO sense for stories of a global flood to be simply made up. Humans make up supernatural explanations (ex. Greek pagan gods) for things that matter such as weather, agriculture, fertility. I doubt it would be created for a simple sea level rise.

[@TorianTammas]

​@@sirnetflix7162It is simple a lack of knowledge is the beginning, a lack of knowledge about antiquity and then a talented grifter comes along and sells them the golden gate bridge.

[@MuggyMeasures]

Graham Hancock has done some brilliant work on forgetton civilisations. Absolutely viable theory. Hunter gatherers up until 10,000 bc? I doubt it.

[@baileytaylor1160]

The two best pieces of evidence for this proposed ancient civilization that predates Sumaria is Gobekli Tepi (although there is no indication of agriculture at that site) and the water erosion on the Sphinx. That has always intrigued me. it appears that there’s thousands of years of water erosion from rain on the sphinx that indicates an age of around 12,000 years.

[@Kevin-ju1kb]

I want to see Simon’s degree in archeology

[@alexswanson7127]

This hardly-noticeable, easily-adaptable 2cm a year sea level rise sounds suspiciously similar to the sea level rise we're constantly being told will indeed cause civilisation-destroying global catastrophe

[@udobald]

No mention of Erich von Däniken?

[@thedevil7793]

There is very VERY strong evidence and some big names behind the sphynx being rain eroded, not a proponent of the ancient advanced civ theory but. Rain on the sphynx is pretty much a done deal at this point it is very likely it is much older than 4000 years and you definitely don't need Atlanteans flying round in hover ships too do it, could have quite easily have been carved 10k years ago by hunter gatherers, look at Göbekli Tepe. Think this might be the first time I've said this but disappointed with you on at least that part of this video Simon, Had your researchers done unbiased research im pretty sure the same conclusion would have been reached. other than that I have enjoyed your content for years please keep it up, Best youtuber out there in my opinion.

[@MinnesotaHomesteading]

Well, when you only research as far as the official narrative, you get official narrative results.

[@justindavid9979]

By definition, Hunter gatherers don't build Sphinxes and temples, just like present day peasant farmers don't build iPhones.

[@royce.lagomgaming]

Weird that they dont mention where the date of the sphinx being constructed comes from... just sort of accepted it as right and the alternative theories as "controversial"

[@Wasteland88]

You can look it up. There are papers on it.

[@royce.lagomgaming]

@@Wasteland88 My point, clearly, is that if you are going to pull down a theory, it is a pretty good idea to prove why it is wrong with the evidence why it is wrong, not just say, "wow look how wrong they are"

[@westrim]

It's a 15 minute video from a nonspecialist site.

[@thequantumnexus4270]

I do like hearing these theories. Not because i think they have any validity, but because it's so funny. Apply even a basic modicum of logic, and they fall down completely. I also find it fascinating from a psychological perspective that people will take a tiny bit of fact and ignore all reason and other evidence to prove what they believe. I tend to think, if i can't figure out how the ancients did it without our responsibility, it will be really interesting to look into it and see how it was done. The answer is usually brillian and makes you think of outside the box ways to solve a problem.

[@mangogo44]

We went from percieving ancient people as "hooga-booga" to realising how complex their technological advancements really were (not starships, but pyramids and craftsmanship etc.). Westerners from the imperial core always thought they are "firsts" but as we uncover more evidence I believe that ancient civilizations pre-dating Sumerians and some other more logical fringe suggestions may turn out to be close to truth. Besides racism (like with Egyptians) don't forget that these archeologists made their entire career out of certain discoveries and theories. The truth is that we don't know much about the past and people are not willing to accept new propositions unless it alligns with the standard model.

[@centuryseahawk6533]

“Because mainstream scientists told me so” is his excuse for everything yet doesn’t name anyone

[@johnathanpeploe...jonesy4395]

Mainstream scientists.. what exactly is a 'Mainstream scientists' oh don't tell me... is it one that dismisses pseudoscience theories by unqualified people 🤔

[@notforgottenmusic3016]

This video had me in creases more than once haha thank you very much! needed that ahaha

[@jordanpeters3746]

If one travels due West from Gobekli Tepe one comes to several small islets in the Azores, the remnants of what was once a substantial island during the Ice Age ... speculated by some to have been the site of Atlantis

[@chase5298]

Nah

[@stephanybrown3226]

I feel like certain people would have a tizzy trying to prove things happened without including 'and then the aliens came down'. Not everything is as mystic as they make it out to be 😂 They were people living their lives. They didnt expect some fools a few thousand years later to swing and miss so hard at what to them was common sense for their purposes.

[@nathanielacton3768]

Steph, go have a look at the UnchartedX video on the precision vase. They analysed it with professional metrologiests. Precision is down to the micron. A large group of us are betting heavily on humans having being somewhat advanced before. The technology to reproduce most of these simple pieces can be reproduced by us only since about the 1980. Essentially when we started making diamond tipped bits on CNC machines. Many of us don't want discussions of telekinesis or aliens. These things can be explained by techniques we can see and produce today. That raises a very uncomfortable point however, that the civilisation back then from just a a mountain of fragment we have found produced things that our recent history could not reproduce until the 1980. What the hell happened back then to permit them to do those things. This is why Simon started with the younger dryas. What happened to them. Did they just 'die out one their own'? Probably not as all the stuff happened about 12k years ago, all seemed to stop.

[@da-bearboulier824]

You’re immediate laughing off certain ideas is what prevents the discovery of truth.

[@danielreuben1058]

Wait, I thought the movie 'Stargate' was a factual retelling of ancient Egypt.

[@hippieseven5582]

Loved stargate

[@LachlanKent]

I think that the sphinx was originally a whole lion, and the Pharaoh head was carved from the lion head after the body was covered by sand

[@williamchamberlain2263]

That'd make sense

[@silvergreylion]

and then the nose was removed by white men, because it was an african nose.

[@dxd5027]

​@@silvergreylionI'm African but seriously, stop fooling yourself. And by the way, your ancestors are from west Africa

[@justindavid9979]

@@silvergreylion The nose is believed to be broken off by an ambitious Muslim who did not like the idolatry.

[@3RAN7ON]

You keep talking about the floods being brought on by asteroids but what about the moon moving into place? Disrupting gravity, causing the tides and the seasons? African tribes have ancient stories talking about just that same scenario

[@dirk7816]

Randal Carlson lays out why evidence of early civilizations was unlikely if not possible to survive to modern times in a Back to Skool episode. I will take his research over anyone else's stab at it anytime. It's a must watch for anyone interest in this subject.

[@alexford5214]

The very same" ripples", he shares in his layout of the cataclysmic floods of the PNW, have been found all over the Western Sahara. I think what modern archaeology fails to come to grip with is, how to first imagine a wall of water over 1000 feet high or greater and the impact that would have on any civilization. Ive watched many presentations of Randall and would consider his theories are far more realistic, than the ones currently being coveted by the few that don't seem to want their theories questioned.

[@chase5298]

Lmao

[@dirk7816]

@@chase5298 Of course you are why use your brain if all you need is a meme

[@alexford5214]

What a typical response. Couldn't have expected more from anyone whose a shill for Simon@@chase5298

[@chase5298]

If you can’t find another source beyond a single individual, chances are they are a grifting charlatan. @@dirk7816

[@TheJimSkipper]

Most archeologists have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo of 19th century theories.

[@jamisojo]

No, they do not have a "vested interest" in old theories. You haven't explained why they would. They would be famous and have money thrown at them for bigger work if they found something that changed the history books.

[@thelinedrive]

Simon not turning this into a Decoding the Uknown episode was really really hard for him.

[@toddnolastname4485]

That peer-review thing only works when you get someone who disagrees and tries to tear up your opinion. Religion is literally peer review that may not have worked out so well.

[@iamironkanute8750]

It was interesting until the statement that bronze age saws held tolerances of .005. Even if they could hold the tolerance (which I am very skeptical of), it was a very slow process. If they only used a saw to cut outside faces, it would not be possible to cut that many with that technique in 20-30 years. That is as unlikely as the idea that the stones were floated to the top on water. Find a different solution and get back to us.

[@richardjohnson8009]

yeah idk, pretty much just skipped the stones, too hard for bronze, electricity on the other hand could make power tools or edm, and who knows what maybe they just had diamond already like why not

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

look up the 1500-ton "thunderstone" moved by Russia in the 1700s using nothing but capstands and rollers. No advanced technology needed.