The most UNDERRATED skill in Tekken | Tekken 8 Real Talk

[@Hypercube1729]

The number 1 skill required to be good in a fighting game is quick reactiontime. How quickly you can think and react. What we call 'natural talent'. Which is only somewhat practicable. You can only practice it up to your with-born level, and if someone with more talent than you put in the same time and effort as you, they'll be far more successful than you'll ever be. That goes for everything in life. Singing, playing chess, mathematics, running etc etc. If you give 1000 children the same lessons, the same homework and they practice the same amount, still the ones with natural born talent on that spesific matter will be successful, the rest will still eat their dust no matter how hard they've worked too. Sure, I recommand people to practice, because you never know if you have the talent if you don't actually put in some hard work and really try it out. But most _skills_ are just a with-born talent and you randomly have it or you don't. Yes, with practice you can become somewhat better at it than your base level, but you'll hit your 'top' at the level your genes are programmed to. And if someone with better talent put in the same time and effort, they'll surpass you easily. Like, I never worked hard with mathematics, I still was best in my class and the whole school. Even won a competition. I know of people who have NOT practiced throw-breaking, yet they can breake 90% of the throws in Tekken because they just have that quick reaction-time. I've practiced at least 100 hours of throw-breaking over the course of Tekken 7 and 8 and can't break throws even if my life depended on it. Even the legendary Nin said back in Tekken 6 commentary that to be good in Tekken _'you just have to think faster than your opponent.'_ You can learn the ins and outs of a game in a year or two, like which strings are duckable, sidesteppable, punishing, optimal combos, throwbreaking, backdashcancels etc etc, but to be successful you need to have QUICK REACTION-TIME. Which is a with-born natural talent. *End of discussion.*

[@ChadTheThirdUK]

This is a commonly held belief. It is also, like many commonly held beliefs, completely wrong. I can't speak for your throw breaking ability, nor will I deny the power of natural talent or of innate upper-limits But over the course of my life; I have had the honour of watching many people, master difficult things simply by "Deciding" they would and then acting accordingly. I won't pretend that our potential is "Limitless" or "without boundary", but I know for a fact that NONE of us can claim to know our full potential until we've sacrificed sufficient time and sweat in trying to reach it.

[@SupremeKuzushi]

Yeah I disagree as well. These are things that can be sharpened with enough dedication.

[@Hypercube1729]

@@ChadTheThirdUK Thanks for taking the time to respond. Appreciate your enthusiasm. I'm not denying what you wrote, but to call my statement _completely wrong_ and at the same time half you comment is infact acknowledging the fact that we have a natural talent and an innate upper-limits and that our potential is not 'limitless', is just agreeing with me, so my point atleast cannot be _completely wrong._ You're basically saying the same as me, only emphasizing that we need to practice hard because we don't know our limits. And I do say that we have to practice and we don't know out limits before we give it real chance and practice hard. Of course you can't be the world champion after 2 months and just say 'I don't have good genes', but if you've really put in 1000s of hours over several years and still aren't better than the average schmuck, it means you don't have that spesific talent needed in that spesific field, be it maths, singing, chess, or reaction time in a fighting game. You say _over the course of you life you've seen people master difficulties..._ Of course that'll happen, but my guy, you're just a kid! You haven't seen or experienced anything yet. Also, that's not how science work. I'm 46, and I've seen and experienced far more than you. I don't know what field you have your education in, or what you work with, so you have formed your opinion, but I'm a medical doctor and specialist in public health and oversee the quality of healthcare in a large municipality in Norway. I've studied this particular field and written articles about it. Even when we give 1000s of kids the same amount of money and experience and they put in the same amount of effort and practice the same, only a few prevail and the rest eat their dust. You cannot NOT take in to account our genes and limitations, no matter how much work, effort and money you put in. And coming back to the topic of this video, the first and foremost skill you need to succeed in a fighting game is to have bizarrely quick reactiontime, which indeed is mostly a with-born ability, and as everything can be practiced up to a certain point (which is hard coded in your genes), and you'll reach a plateau. Like I said about math, I've always been good at it without practicing it much, and when I did, I won competitions. I was a math-lete. I started playing chess at the old age of 30 and still managed to win local tournaments and regional competitions. People who had played and practiced their whole life since childhood couldn't even understand how. Of course I've put in hard work studying chess for 1000s of hours, but it still comes to me easily. I have a natural intuition and just 'understand' the game, and the evaluation of a position after calculating the variations. It just a with-born skill I always had. A natural ability to visualize during calculation of variations, which is very important in chess. And after praticing it for a while I easily excelled at it. Yes, life is unfair.

[@Hypercube1729]

@@SupremeKuzushi How is that disagreeing then? You're basically saying the same as me. Of course it can be sharpened from your base level, but never as sharp as someone with that exact spesific with-born natural talent, who also put in the same amount of dedication.

[@rae5425]

Chalking the most Important thing to natural talent is just cope to make you feel good about your own mediocrity. The example you gave about 1000 children is complete BS. Are you sure it's birth given talent? Are you sure the same 1000 children shows the same level of interest in those things? What if they only want to get good up to a certain level and spend the rest of the effort and time into something else? That's not natural talent. That's a lack of interest. And that's just one factor. What if halfway in they realized it wasn't for them? That's not a lack of natural talent either. There's a multitude of factors that immediately debunks your argument. Again, it's copium to make yourself feel better. It can't be that you're just not good enough yet, haven't practiced as much as that guy, haven't studied as much as that guy. It has to be that that guy was just born that way right?

[@H1nted]

Okay so I dunno you man. Hiwever this past couple of days ive been trying to improve at tekken, so this video got recommended. Besides the tips (very good btw) your cadence of speech, enthousiasm and wanting to teach new players makes this video a breeze. Like I was watching and needed to pause only to see that i'm already 30 mins in (though it was 5 or smth). Keep up the good work man !

[@Joker-tt1hb]

I try to watch a replay every time I lose a set in ranked (I know I won't do it at all if I don't do it immediately). It is painful to stop playing, but it is very valuable. I learn a new move/situation every time.

[@thigikna]

I started throw break training only a few days ago. I'm already finding that I can notice what throw break to use when watching other people's replays.

[@NibbledPickle]

Such a good informational lecture! Holy moly this guy literally summarized everything I think about but I don’t necessarily know how to describe. Really good video man!! Dude is a real “Chad” frfr

[@rMell]

I really appreciate these videos!! My favorite quote is probably “…Your organic growth is over” cause it’s so true Once I got to Rajin, I got hard stuck until I really started to lab and drill and only now after consistently taking notes and putting deliberate effort into getting good at this game am I starting to see some slow progress. It’s a long road to GoD but all I can do is throw on my lab coat, put in my hours and be patient

[@Gamevard]

Thank you for the ‘noticing’ tip! I was wondering where to start as I’m brand new (2 weeks) but Nina has brought me to purple ranks and Ima need fundies for real LOL The tip about labbing/seeing/exposure to strings/problem moves one at a time is amazing. Have a good rest of the week

[@spooky4223]

The ability to read your opponent, know how to punish and patience are what I see as the most important. Everything else is just required to play the game optimally.

[@dragtr0n]

Subbed, Would love to see you cover all the characters in details. Thanks great insights

[@h0pping]

quality work man! edit: this is acc gold man, wtf!

[@TheXell]

Tangential to the video, a friend of mine who is working in the medical field told me something curious about video games and reaction times: Some of the tests to measure mental degradation in elderly patients include measuring their reaction time. However, games rising in popularity is already skewing the "normal" numbers in that regard, so people like me who have been gaming for most of their lives (and will probably continue to do so) might have very different standards applied to them.

[@ItsKenpachiKun]

Going to lab more drills and whiff punishes. Its true, you just gotta put in the work. Noticing things is the first step. It'll take time, but keep at it

[@dotimus]

Stuck in blue. Guess I’ll start labbing 😢 great vid btw

[@RenTheDragon1975]

For those of you that find grinding in Practice boring like me ..... I learnt how to recognise the Can Opener Animation better by Picking up Nina as a Pocket, and Spaming that Shit for a Few Matches a week even if it got me Killed. That way I was still playing a Match and not getting bored in Practice mode but still working on Something that I was weak at.

[@bobhoskins-kl6ue]

Great video, subbed

[@ohdarlin692]

I like the approach you offer (lab your opponent's characters), but here is a funny thing. I am a new at tekken and found a tendency to add new characters in DLCs. And they added Eddy... This guy bodied me so much in ranked that I got furious. And here is a thing. I have to lab how to deal with his annoying flow charts, but for this I need to go into practice mode. In there I can't pick him against my main character to record strings, because I need to buy him. So... I have to spend my money on Eddy, whom I hate and never going to play. You might say - this is only one small transaction, but I already feel the flow - they will introduce more dlc characters , which I should buy to learn not to lose. One transaction after another and this process can repeat up to 6 or more times and this is already a good chunk of my money. In the conclusion I think the not mentioned most important tekken skill - spend your money.

[@OleGrizzli]

As a new player, I had to figure out what my problems were. I figured that my issues were mainly breaking those unique throws and button discipline as well as my patience with my defense. Right now I'm currently working on breaking throws and knowing not to press buttons when on defense. Because those main things cost me so many matches its not even funny. Also gotta work on my punishes a bit better as well. Already know that this is gonna take time for me because I wont grow if I refuse to put the time to improve in these things.

[@tsuzoku9826]

v fun and informative video! thanks!

[@christiansamuelstadeus]

replay this week?! but it's sundaaaay! i ain't doing no homework on sundays

[@Terrencehill19]

I noticed I actually struggle with "labbing matchups". I made a habit of going into the replay as soon as I get washed by an opponent. But with the amount of stuff to process there, I noticed I kind of end up not learning anything... like I'll notice a move thats punishable that I didnt punish, or a duckable string or whatever. But once I'm outside of the replay again, it'll probably take 1 match and I would likely not remember the things from the replay. Other than to go into practice and basically "learn" a whole character I dont want to play myself I dont see how I can retain that stuff in a way it actually will help me in future matches

[@russdellapenna]

Ive finally really honed in on my labbing, just try to take it a couple matches at a time, learn to punish one technique or sequence at a whack to avoid over loading, but nothing is more frustrating or heartbreaking than watching a replay back with tips on and recieving zero advice from the game, so another hurdle has been added. Although I do love the process and i have all the time in the world

[@CephlonMayngrum]

READING is fundamental

[@Frogfish999]

This is true for a lot of skills but especially true for video games and especially true for fighting games and especially true for tekken lol.

[@VERYR4RE]

well you do have to buy eddy to lab him. gg

[@nekolemu5573]

When tekken 8 launched, I have this eagerness in me to lab every character and watch all of my replays. and it significantly improves my winrate. But now that I am reluctant to lab and watch my own replays, I lose every fcking time.

[@arijanj]

what's that DOYYY at 11:16 supposed to be? 💔 我也这些年学过中文，太困难的 ，加油！

[@ChadTheThirdUK]

我说了【所以】，但我的发音真的不好 🤣

[@florianneumann9441]

i would say patience ^^ most people are just pressing to much buttons

[@andyboots_acta7838]

I die looking for snake edge more often than I get hit by snake edge lol

[@mrmoe33]

i made the cut :)

[@THEVIGILANTEHD]

Are you the "WANNA LEARN A FUKN INFINITE" guy?

[@pointlessaccount100]

"that (hwoarang) punch has killed more people than COVID -19" lmfaoooo real

[@RichiePajooh-r8i]

practice against eddy? you are assuming i am willing to spend money on this game after their practices. and you are assuming you aren’t playing under water with their connections its reactable if there isn’t five frames of delay

[@FangBang3r]

If yr not willing to pay for DLC I'm not sure how you found yourself on tekken philosophy youtube. If you play casually theirs no need to lab. Just learn when you can. You likely found yourself here because you want to get better. If you care enough about the game spend more money. If you don't care, don't spend more money. There are even anti eddy anti lidia videos that do comprehensive breakdowns. If you truly wanted to abstain from spending.

[@FangBang3r]

Lastly ieddy and lida are like $16.. I spent $16 at the grocery store on a paper towel rack and some tea. Or a single lunch in the downtown area.

[@IvanSanada]

​@@FangBang3r L take

[@FangBang3r]

@user-df4ct6ez7r dudes complaining he doesn't want to spend $6 to learn to fight Eddy. The easy answer is, "then don't." Why bother playing a game that makes you decide that, if it's not worth it to you? But instead of not playing or playing casually, you deep dive into a lecture video on tekken philosophy, then b*tch to the creator on why he "assumes" you don't want to spend money. 😒 I happen to like tekken, I happen to not mind spending the extra money on dlc. If I did not like tekken, did not want to get better, and did not want to play Eddy... I wouldn't spend money, I wouldn't play tekken. Go play something you don't mind spending money on?

[@IvanSanada]

@@FangBang3r And what if i want to get good but don't have any, and i repeat ANY INTEREST in a particular DLC character? The fact that you cant even lab or see the move list of a paid character actually forces you to spend money. Come to think of it, if they actually let me or the OP to try out DLCs in practice mode, JUST practice mode, not even treasure battle or arcade, me or the OP might've changed their minds about particular characters and buy them, dontcha think? And dont even start with guides and gameplay videos online, shits not the same and you know it. Just so you dont get confused - Im okay with DLCs. Im not okay with paywalling something as basic as the ability to train against a char you dont like and dont want to play (buy). That is what makes ppl feel some kind of way. Take the L, go defend scummy big corpo practices elsewhere

[@devrond.kw1942]

Whats the song in the background

[@ChadTheThirdUK]

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[@bobbywilliams4438]

This is a well needed video bruh

[@rocketman093]

Great info as always!

[@Zenkai.boost.Kekkei.Genkai]

decision making is the most imprtant skill in tekken... u not only have to make the right decision in specific situations but you have to make them fast , from what i noticed this is what makes pro players different than regular players, pro players know the right thing to do in every situation, they know what to do, what not to do.... i watched some videos of Anakin watching people's replays and giving advice and i was amazed at how the thinks .. like "don't do this there , just do this, why do that when you can do this" etc... like this kind of shit... thid is the most important skill in tekken not finger gymnastics... if you are able to optimize your decision making you will be above 90% of the playerbase

[@tinyparcel6305]

Good video. But, I'm not paying 8 bucks for the privilege of labbing Eddie and lidia. (I mean I am but Ima be soooo fucking bad about)

[@DVS1_]

Suitable channel name, good shit bro

[@8bit_pineapple]

As someone who's probabily autistic - I can't relate to the filter example 😅 If im in a room with multiple people talking I can either hear everything everyone is saying - or if theres enough people not understand anything because you're all talking over each other.

[@sewerPig]

The brain filter part is so true. Even though it should be harder I'm able to throw break cause of practice but I still get hit by every snake edge just cause I haven't played enough😭