The Old Head Tier List 2023

[@hjblacdes61]

NES Dreamcast would be a hard ass name tho

[@CrookedMarc]

I detect no lies told

[@nox2sweet]

My favorite songs by then would be “Sued by Nintendo” and “Legally Changing my Name”

[@hugh_jasso]

Fire 🔥🔥

[@madhack69]

💯

[@PaperMario64]

@@nox2sweet😂😂😂

[@ryanmclaughlin3197]

“They are 35 years old and picking their kids up from school.” Brother, could you PLEASE leave me alone

[@SkywalkerPaul]

😅

[@MissMawu]

No Dead Assss!! It's 6 am and I'm in the shower listening about to get my kids up for their last day of school before Christmas vacation. Like.....😂😂😂

[@marinaavant]

I felt it as I leave work listening to 2008 lil Wayne 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@TheCreatorNFE]

35, but don't have kids. Lol, I listen to all the stuff I grew up with plus anything new by those folks. Sometimes in the morning, sometimes throughout the day. Was listening to Lloyd Banks latest stuff recently. However, there are youngsters listening to him as well.

[@SimianScience]

when i was 21 a 35 year old man was mad he was grandfather. and hes a GREAT GRANDFATHER now

[@RumBuDum]

FD is living proof that when you say "I'm not gonna make the mistakes of the previous generation when I'm their age," you can actually make good on that promise.

[@raw8814]

No seriously, young blk ppl need more ppl like fd to look towards. I for sure would’ve been grateful to know someone like him when I was younger

[@josho5860]

Well said. Well said.

[@susanrichardson631]

LOL 53-year-old black woman here and I'm trying to grow up to be FD

[@kurokaizen1889]

​@@raw8814 No.

[@dirkvoltaar]

@RumBuDum Was that a Group Home reference?

[@williamgeorge2580]

I think we can agree that Andre's song about his colonoscopy would probably be fire.

[@Handler22134a]

Colonialism.

[@chrisisapracticalmess563]

@@Handler22134a😂😂😂💩

[@righteouslioncomedian1069]

​@@Handler22134a 😂

[@Miglohara]

8:44 This ain't got shit to do with anything but what is the name of the music cue here?

[@harlempixie338]

I’m not mad at 3000s new album. It’s not what I asked for but I’ve listened to it twice all the way through.

[@GigiMurakami]

Am I the only one who would be interested in hearing Old Head rappers rapping about Old head shit? Talking about regrets, life changes, having conversations with themselves from previous works-- idk, I think the contrast within the discography would be kinda fire.

[@africarib]

Little Brother's last album touches some grown people topics and done very well "May the Lord Watch"

[@johnalbertwrestling]

YES, I definitely would like to see a record about getting old and trying to accept how times have changed.

[@Ryuksgelus]

Plenty do.

[@jsmacks11]

It is no different than the Blues (or really any genre of music). Whereas now when we think of Blues we think of an old head probably over 60 singing but even at one point Blues was music that more catered to a more younger crowd and many of those artists were once people barely in their 20s singing Blues. Some Rappers though embraced aging and still rapping (and doing it well). LL, Cube, Ice T, Face, Nas, Big Daddy Kane. Many people would still love to hear these older artist.

[@fizwiz81]

This is what I think jay z brings to the game. Man is in his 50s and he’s rapping about his life, reflecting and reminiscing it’s cool

[@TubezThe1]

Andre is like the wisest rapper ever to have done it & is just so cool. I remember seeing him talk about why he wasn't doing a hip hop album and basically explaining that in order to do hip hop you have to be hip and he doesn't think he's hip anymore. Here in the coolest mother-funker on the planet explain why he's not cool it's probably the coolest thing I have ever seen.

[@realnube]

That analysis of hip hop is wrong. Hip Hop never meant anything about being "hip" it's just a name of many that was chosen to describe the whole of the culture. What intellectual reaches would have been made if it was called the Go off or the Boingoingoing?

[@earhearthush-up5549]

@@realnubeyeah plus there are great rappers in the game rn like the Griselda records guys who pretty much made a career off not caring if they were ‘cool’ or not, just making their music the way they wanted to

[@francmono]

Not to the kid that grew up recording at their studios. This is Ben by the way, aka Franc Mono

[@johnf4507]

Being a teacher, you realize you are an old head automatically it happened to me, my third year of teaching I told kids Lupe Fiasco was my favorite rapper. They told me I was too 2000-late to be 2000-late-teen. I felt like an old lion forced to leave the herd. 🥲never recovered since 🥲

[@thegiftedseer6764]

🤣🤣

[@lemoncarb]

flamed you up.

[@Isthatthegrimreaper170]

You got cooked 😂 kids have no chill

[@johnf4507]

@@Isthatthegrimreaper170 there was no mercy 😂😭

[@sunnyblossom_711]

cooked using a BEP lyric 😂

[@joihughes545]

I think what consistently gets left out of the Andre 3000 conversation is that he is an ARTIST! Rap is a medium. If he is not inspired to produce rap music, for whatever reason, we should not judge him. Any artist can attest to how it feels when you lose the love. It is his genius and integrity to the art that made him so beloved in the first place. Who knows, maybe he will one day feel compelled to rap again but the fact that he is still creating is wonderful.

[@SimpleeKomplex]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@somniatic]

Agreed!

[@TheConfusled]

I couldn't agree more and I'm happy for him

[@chloelincoln9095]

Def agree to this

[@londobellace]

Nah. Your experiences don't speak for anyone else. Phonte and Little Brother have putting out grown man rap for years. There is no excuse for using your demons to put down other rappers. Real talk 3 stacks is Jay Electronica but y'all act like he's not. Outkast will always be the greatest to ever do it, but y'all gotta stop caping for this man. If the death of his mom's didn't give enough inspiration for another rap album, nothing will. I'm fine with Dre never putting out an album again. But the sales of that flute nonsense show most people will never get there.

[@DoodOverThere]

New oldhead symptom is starting a positive podcast with your wife Why FD's locs looking so luxurious

[@Spike-hl2mw]

Maybe it's Maybelline...

[@DomDark.711]

The twist out goes hard

[@MikeNmurdoc]

Lmao 😂😂

[@Shimeih]

@@Spike-hl2mwthanks for the throwback 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Nerdz2]

His hair is epic

[@lemonoreo5762]

I think you nailed it talking about how some old heads forgot it was supposed to be about being better than your elders, not becoming them.

[@Jsmoove8k]

because it’s all a cycle, i keep realizing that we will always be trapped in these cycles when we don’t check who’s preaching to us

[@MsElizaRae]

​@@Jsmoove8ktrue dat

[@kareemabdulwahhab6919]

You don’t think that people decided in order for them to be better than the elders, they have to become better versions? That’s why I think the pushback becomes what it is.

[@ChrisCypher]

The "problem" is that art is subjective and the youth don't typically want to improve older generation's concept of "better," they want to create their own thing on THEIR terms.

[@skinnytimmy1]

​@ChrisCypher exactly, younger people aren't worried about being "better" than their elders, they just want do their own thing. The oldheads are mad that the young people simply don't care for their opinion

[@Thanoshadapoint]

I think people understand Charleston is an agent. The problem is a lot of people agree with him and feel the same way about black people that he does.

[@riotron1026]

An agent attracting other agents.

[@yjw2]

I don't watch him enough to know completely but I was surprised to see he was at school meetings and was a local spokesperson for trying to better his community in terms of the content they allowed at the school. He was arguing some rapper shouldn't be at the middle school because he's not a good role model, which is valid in that case because of the content, because as much as I like Future I don't want him rapping at a middle school. IDK how much of his ignorant character is actually ideology. Most ignorant thing I saw from hi was wrapping himself in the confederate flag and acting like Uncle Ruckus, but I see that more as clout chasing behavior.

[@peterporkeresq.2817]

@@yjw2 A Black man in a confederate anything is worse than a kkklansman, not just some 'clout chasing.'

[@nik-at-nite]

He has more fans than ever after he went on Cam Newton’s pod

[@riotron1026]

@@yjw2 Talking about that sort of thing is tricky. While on its face it may seem like a good thing for someone to voice their disapproval of the hip hop/rap culture and would want to not have it in schools and such. Problem is that in their attempts to shield kids from rap culture fail to engage with it themselves. And by engage I mean truly look into and truly grapple with why this music exists in the first place and why it resonates with so many young people. And worse yet, it causes the young people who do by into this rhetoric to disengage from the culture themselves and causes them to segregate themselves from others of the culture if we’re talking about black folk. If that kind of deep analysis was done hand in hand with the younger generations then maybe more productive conversations can be had. But the “keep rap away from our young minds because it’s negative l” sentiment is ultimately pretty unhelpful and misses the point of its existence entirely.

[@HadesWTF]

Andre coming out with a solo flute album in 2023 is so on brand. I love him for it.

[@shaybar93]

“Brunch on Sundays” is an amazing song by Nas. I wish Andre understood that it’s okay to rap about everyday life. He could be like “Raising a child with Miss Badu. You laughed at my flute, but the joke’s on you. ‘Cause this peace I’ve found is so profound. You just blowin’ hot air while I blow wind sounds.” Idk 😂😂😂 he would say this 1000 times better, but you get the point.

[@waltermosito1544]

Shaybar93? Nah, ShayBARS93 🤣👌🏾🔥

[@shaybar93]

@@waltermosito1544 Lmaooo. I see what you did there and it made my day. Thanks, haha. I also think 3 Stacks could tap into R&B again. “Prototype” was my jam.

[@kunichiwax3]

I agree with you on a lot of points... no slander against big boi shall prosper. Outkast worked so well because 3000 and Big Boi were opposites but they worked well as a team.

[@coco_rthritis6462]

I think West Savannah is a great example of how well Big Boi can hold his own

[@sigh824]

Yeah Big Boi is good on his own, but he’s also why Andre doesn’t make like, Lithuanian folk rock made with the sounds of goats giving birth or some shit

[@dogsandyoga1743]

​@@sigh824They were a perfect balance.

[@AshiwiZuni]

I agree, I see it as Andre being a “musicians musician” while Big Boi was a pure master of his specific craft. They struck a delicate balance of making a specific kind of music, while also still innovating. I love them both for what they are. I will say though, ive said for years that I wish Andre would do a full side project with Gorillaz or a pen name, or some other “anonymous” conglomerate of musicians to see him really let loose on the genre stuff. I guess now he is doing it on his own!

[@KnightVision09]

I totally agree, they worked well as a team. In my opinion Outkast would not be Outkast without Big Boi and I feel his contribution to the group is not recognised enough, even by Outkast fans.

[@fromdastreets]

NES Dreamcast is lowkey a fire rap name though

[@nox2sweet]

My favorite songs by them would be “Sued by Nintendo” and “Legally Changing my Name”

[@Ránshāo47]

NES Dreamcast has to already exist as a vaporwave project. id bet (a small amount of ) money on it

[@solomonpnq]

*QRS TV Screen kinda hard too for like an alternative rap group

[@dominicmoreno4662]

You know you not to knock a hang loose, ma' ashallah rasta rocka gang troops suede shoes

[@kbrown3787]

Andre is aging like FINE wine though. damn!!!

[@hugh_jasso]

Wine that takes decades to age and then tastes like fruit water

[@fangal12]

Him and Method Man😍

[@AlexHider]

That’s what happens when you play flute in Japan and mind your business

[@Juniversal]

Right. Minus the greys he hasnt aged a day over the last decade or two.

[@francmono]

That’s cool, just stay out the rap headlines… Be a fine wine connoisseur lol. This is Ben aka Franc Mono by the way

[@scifinerd17]

Nas is 50 and is still putting out great stuff

[@TheSkaOreo]

Nas found a lane that’s pretty much perfect him: he found a pretty good balance of appeasing towards old head while occasionally dipping into newer sounds. Dad rap, as I like to call it.

[@drewrites4613]

Exactly. Nas has it down pact. I’m not mad at anything he’s released recently, which is why I call BS on Andre 3000. Its cool if Andre has grown out of rap but dont paint it as if all rappers over 30 dont have things to talk about. Its ridiculous and just another reason rappers arent taken seriously.

[@mishab4065]

Nas is one of the greatest and my personal favorite, I mostly listen to modern rap but when Nas releases he just kills it. Magic 3 was probably my favorite rap album this year.

[@Pickythicky]

Nas still making music ? Lol

[@scifinerd17]

@@Pickythicky You must be kidding right? He’s released 6 albums within the timespan of 4 years with producer Hit-Boy, all fantastic.

[@drewrites4613]

I think we look at hiphop with such a narrow lens and that is a big reason why hiphop continues to be in a state of arrested development. Hiphop is art and is ageless. Certain aspects of hiphop (club music, etc) should be left to the youth. But why the hell can’t a 50 year old rap? What about being older would make us think they have nothing to offer? Shouldnt it be the exact opposite? It’s weird.

[@ooowatzthat]

I mean they still do rap, but it's not pushed to the masses like that, thus album sells are low for older rappers.

[@drewrites4613]

@@ooowatzthat Right that’s kinda my point. Hiphop is viewed as a music genre for the youth (hence why older rappers aren’t getting the big marketing/promo pushes) and I feel like that limited perspective is one of the reasons why creativity in hiphop is so stifled. Andre 3000 could really set the bar and change things in that lane for older rappers but as he claimed he’s moved on but I honestly think he’s scared of failure or scared of not living up to the younger him.

[@Daniel-ll2cl]

Thats why andre was starting to piss me off

[@blackwolfdavinci575]

Excellent point, I agree 100%

[@Ryukachoo]

To be dead honest i don't got a dog in this fight since my music selection is some weird shit made by some german dude in his basement in the 90s but i always appreciate FDs takes

[@RevShifty]

Same. I'm a punk (mostly oi and street) and hardcore kid through and through. I don't have a dog anywhere in the same neighborhood as this fight. But if FD is talking, I'm tuning in and listening.

[@Fanrose2475]

Which weirdo german dude is this? Because my weirdo german dudes are Electric Callboy

[@Shimeih]

Who’s this german dude? We need to know. Actually, I’m expanding my music palette to stuff I never heard before lol

[@Homosumhumaninilamealienumputo]

B tribe? Lol

[@plaidchuck]

Speaking as an old punk rocker the energy is always out there and someone is carrying the torch, just gotta find them

[@Leahs_Dad]

Tapping into the youthful need to compare everything on a tier list is genius

[@rampant1apart]

As an old head, yes, I agree. We are not in the best space right now but we trying. We trying.

[@TheDynamicJAB]

As a younger head, KRS was one of the OG's to have 3 letters in the beginning of his alias...hell if not the first.

[@Handler22134a]

KRS is D tier

[@admdubya2107]

Between Roxanne Roxanne and 13 N Good …KRS One is lucky the internet didn’t exist for the duration of his career. Top tier overrated.

[@inyamanesobho]

I honestly do want to hear Andre rap about colonoscopies.

[@RevShifty]

I'd definitely buy that album.

[@stereokuuji]

Do you?

[@sigh824]

It’d literally be the shit

[@Deenique16]

@@stereokuujiyeah he'd make it sound so poetic and may influence ppl to get it done

[@deadporg]

Damn, the locs looking majestic

[@kaymitchell6143]

I have an uncle who is an Antivaxxer and is a former Trump supporter, so everything you said about Charleston White hits home unfortunately. 😂😂

[@yaggayaggaya9918]

former!?

[@kaymitchell6143]

@@yaggayaggaya9918 Yeah… he came to his sense so to speak. He’s a huge conspiracy theorist so he essentially decided that Trump was a part of the illuminati like all of the rest of the politicians. He’s just an interesting character. Imagine a more “polished” Charleston White.

[@AstonishingRed]

An album about Andre 3k getting an oil change would be more compelling than 90% of what’s currently out there.

[@dclassthaumiel]

fr i mean Aesop Rock literally made songs about his cat, waiting in the drive-thru line, ordering ice cream, etc. imagine what Andre would do

[@athenarocks7657]

0:43 if unc keeps this up we’re gonna have a whole album by the end of the month 😂

[@ancrathjustice8516]

I felt called out when you said no one under 30 was looking forward to Welcome 2 Collegrove lmao

[@qlip]

ay bro im bumping it

[@theoriginalblacknerd4524]

I really enjoyed this video. You are so right about generational conversations and not just about music. The "back in my day" can be applied to any topic and its wrong. It is not back in your day it is today. If you are an old head I am ancient because I was in college when you were born. I have been around since the beginning of Hip Hop. I am with you - today's music is what they like so who am I to comment. If you think your peer group got issues with Gen Z you know what types of conversations I have to endure with my peer group. I get into so many discussions with them but they always lose because I lived when they lived so I know 1st hand what was really happening. I just retired from teaching HS Computers and Business a career I didn't start until I was 50. The 1st thing I said to my classes was I am not a hypocrite - you will not hear me lie about how the students were so much better back in my day. That statement alone , I learned from students that i saw after they graduated, made them want to listen to what I was trying to say in class. We have to talk to each other not at each other. Keep up the great work!

[@tonoornottono]

i love this comment man. that “back in my day” attitude has ALWAYS been hypocritical. people have been people as long as we’ve been around. not a single negative quality in the world is “new,” it’s just a rehash. addressing the new contexts of those old problems should be the goal of society.

[@1swerdna]

Busta Rhymes just had an interview with Diary of a CEO a couple weeks ago and it just popped up in my feed yesterday. I didn't finish, but while he did have some "back in my day" moments, he explained that the change was because they had guidance and accountability from the Old Heads, while kids today don't. I thought that was a really honest take

[@suicidewatch6648]

Parents aren’t parenting anymore

[@TreeHairedGingerAle]

"Y'all enjoy that" 😂 THIS IS ENTIRELY MY VIBE *puts on Tribe*

[@prettybrwneyez7757]

Big facts!

[@gios4ma]

NES Dreamcast would be a fire ass name actually

[@hannibalwilmetcalf8363]

That Charleston white take is SPOT ON!!! I've been telling folks he is Candace Owens if she was your drunk uncle at a cookout

[@dfjr1990]

True. And Candice makes some good points. She was trying to tell us that Mexicans are going to take our voting power away if we keep letting in illegal immigrants but we don't hear that s*** because black people don't know anything about politics

[@ASSARAPTUS]

​@@dfjr1990How is that a good point? Better yet, how would illegal immigrants cause and pass legislation to do that? They have absolutely Zero political power. Corporations love them but only for the cheap labor and them ineligible for basic employee rights

[@dfjr1990]

@@ASSARAPTUS they will become citizens eventually. Maybe not now, but in the future generations.

[@ASSARAPTUS]

​@@dfjr1990nonsense because they are making it ten times more difficult for anyone BUT Europeans to gain citizenship. (Ukrainians for example) They are worried about preserving their white numbers in political power.

[@prettybrwneyez7757]

@@dfjr1990Yup

[@jaspynjones9888]

A video with you and Shawn Cee would be really dope!

[@SimpleeKomplex]

Nas and Andre 3000 are true artists. They produce when inspired. Being in high demand won't convince them otherwise.

[@1ktef]

Before even watching: Charleston is a self-admitted rapist. He's bottom tier no matter what

[@blackpill3773]

Has anyone said they've been raped by him?

[@Benuske]

@@blackpill3773literally self-admitted

[@GebreMMII]

@@BenuskeI can say I am hitler. Doesn’t mean it’s true.

[@blackpill3773]

@@Benuske So you believe it ?

[@kemywa7787]

@@blackpill3773why would you not?

[@redwoodword]

Love the bit about older men not lecturing younger people about their music (in my experience it is mostly a thing that men so). I'm 44. I've been making visual art my whole adult life. It is a different timeline than the music thing because I still get older male artists lecturering me like I don't know shit and am now trying to be very conscious of not doing the same with younger artists. The best mentors I've had have been women. Never felt like they were lecturing me in that way. They taught me in a way that felt effortless.

[@SKULLKR3W]

Budden said I believe music is a frequency like no shit bro 💀

[@darksidebabii]

As a 25 year old living in the Philly area I can say that Meek is heavily influential on people younger than even me especially in that scene but I understand what you were saying on that take and what Dee 1 was trying to get across

[@Dipset415]

Leaf ward albee al🔥🔥🔥

[@darksidebabii]

@@Dipset415 Albee Al from Jersey

[@TheNerindil]

Y’all ain’t ready for the new NES Dreamcast tape

[@JohnnyGoodBehavior]

I recently found your channels and have been binging. We’re the same age and I didn’t realize how much I was missing these kinds of conversations in my life. Cheers!

[@JONQPiD]

18:00 … please remember. Hip-Hop is made up of four important elements. The *DJ*, the *MC*, the *B-Boy/Girl* and the *Graffiti Artist*. The backbone of Hip-Hop is the DJ and the music. *The DJ* - The music was designed to bring people of colour together and use our cultures as the music foundation for all of us to stand on. With the music and common beats, we find community. We made something that was ours. We humbled ourselves to the music we loved as took parts that spoke to us and brought it to the table as DJs. *The MC* - is the voice of the people. The voice asked only one question; “What are YOU going to do. Hip-*Hop*. The *Hop* is the movement.. the doing, the action. What action are YOU going to take. Someone DJs better than you, what are YOU going to do about it? Someone is living the dream you see for your life, what will you do about it? The cops are killing us in the streets, what will you DO? The MC is the voice that calls out this challenge to make ourselves better, faster and stronger.. so we can survive. *The B-Boy/Girl* - represent the response to the MC’s call to action. We dance better, move stronger and faster, we unite as teams to show the culture that we are stronger. We unite and protect ourselves from injustice and oppression. We *move* as one. When the movers and breakers started getting arrested in the streets for doing what we do best, express, the movement evolved to illustration. *The Graffiti Artist* - was born when racism tried to stop the movement. Racism did not realize that movement is louder than words. Movement is so loud we use it to write our names to say we were here. To say, “I AM”. Graffiti is the silent movement and action of words. The silent protest that says, “no matter what racism tries to do to me, I AM STILL HERE. WE ARE STILL HERE.” In order to understand where the culture of Hip-Hop is going, we must first understand the above truths of our four elements. Take what is *Hip* and make it your own, *Hop*. Earth, Fire, Water, Wind.

[@TheConfusled]

Andre is taking a good path. While I agree he should engage with the next gen, I love that he is experimenting, evolving, exploring music beyond the boxes some folks seem to want him to stay in.

[@possiblymaybe6711]

He’s also a loner and doesn’t really feel responsible to like guide anyone. Fd is kinda ridiculous to require him to do that

[@Dxydrm]

@@possiblymaybe6711facts, this is a stupid take. In that same interview, Andre said he had a bunch of flute credits on random songs under an alias. I don’t think it’s because he was trying to make an artistic statement. He just doesn’t want attention. He was even sheepish about putting the album out, like “here’s something I made, hope you like it.” And he’s probably gonna disappear again. Leave the mentorship to the ones who want to do it. Also, his homie’s diss track was an L

[@ReshonBryant]

I mean why try to be king of this honky sh*t?😂

[@MartyMcFly__25]

Also Andre has been around and contributing to younger guys like Frank, Tyler, giving love to Teezo and others. He’s just not for the flash.

[@mani6142]

joe budden is lowkey a manosphere guy

[@MartyMcNasty]

At this point not even low key once he had Kevin on he lost the plot

[@twinblade6]

Unfortunately yea. One of his cohosts, Ish is a real estate/finance guy. And they're BIG man defenders. They basically attack their only female cohost whenever they get the chance.

[@MartyMcNasty]

@@twinblade6 facts I jump ship with the break up… and it was like once ish got there he was unchained to be the worst possible person he could be

[@Rossoneri2]

​@@twinblade6Joe really fumbled after Rogan got that deal. He needs a starting 5 just to try and replicate the r&m era

[@arandomautizzy]

​@@MartyMcNastyI swear I saw Joe Biden say something once about men having like divine right over women or some manosphere bull similar

[@deadpancrickets6881]

This one B side, this one is really a masterpiece. I cannot think of a single take in this video that I can in good faith disagree with bc truly, hip hop seems to be in a “passing the torch” era and this video not only highlights the differences in opinion across the “old head” community but also highlights how to ACTUALLY attempt to be the change that they claim to want to see. Truly touching stuff.

[@cremebrulee5751]

Big Boi actually just put out an interview with J.I.D. and I do believe Andre is in dialogue with a lot of younger artists, he basically says as much in one of his newer interviews. However it seems like he’s not interested in having public conversations in general but just had a few for the sake of promoting his new project. I do love the point about the dialogue between the youth and old heads tho, seems like it could be a good opportunity for both sides.

[@majemaje45]

Qrs Tv screen sounds exactly like krs one, who is in fact one of the oldest of heads

[@demarcohavard1980]

This video is a nice balance between light-hearted and sincere social commentary.

[@brycetheoddball]

When it comes to the well being of hip hop, we need to figure out how to bring back artist development without being exploitative. Also this streaming era is kinda trash too. Like in terms of chasing algorithms. Just make good music.

[@Qwazaar919]

it sucks to say but along w/ development i think some of the fall came w/ easy access to recording equipment. in the olden days, unless you had money to burn you couldn't just go in a studio and fk around forever. u needed to have your shit together and memorized. engineers/ producers and other artist would give you the sour face if u were on garbage and throw you out the booth. now i can pump out as much garbage as i like and no one can stop me.

[@brycetheoddball]

@@Qwazaar919 I’m not rolling with that mentality cause that also means people with money are the ones that allow who can and can’t pop off. So goodbye to alternative artists and artists that challenge political establishments, outside of the shit that can be co-opted.

[@Poomayne]

If we want hip hop to be fully taken seriously it can't just be a "youth" genre that people grow out of. There needs to be longevity there.

[@thicc_crust_apocalypse]

I've always thought that actually. Any art forms or art media where the "age of relevancy" drops off past your mid 30s and beyond is in trouble. In a lot of artistic expressions a 30 year old would be a literal child, but in rap you might as well be in a nursing home unless you're Drake level top tier. What does that imply?

[@decidiumz175]

like punk

[@MB2.0]

Nas just dropped kings disease 3

[@shamwaw336]

Would disagree, but rather say the opposite. Hip hop can only survive if the youth are the ones who adopt it and make it their own. Punk, metal, hip hop, country, and jazz of yesteryears do not sound like their modern counters. They still thrive now because there is a new batch of listeners who enjoy the genre and what those genres represent

[@thicc_crust_apocalypse]

@@shamwaw336 of course the youth are vital, but that's with anything. The difference between hip hop and the other genres you mentioned, is that people don't "age out" of country, metal, rock, jazz, etc, it's FULL of old heads that are, if anything, MORE popular/beloved/influential/prolific/talented etc because they had more time and life experience to perfect the craft and their fans and the culture appreciates them for jt

[@anony1596]

This whole intro lmaoooo Making my morning 😂

[@XFry333X]

My 2 cents for what it's worth. I think the producer has out-talented the MC for so long and producers have been background characters for so long that they're now catching views and streams for their own work in genres and scenes where producers are front stage (EDM).

[@Pickythicky]

Tbh rappers kinda move like a band. Sade is still Sade but her sound is nothing without sweet back instrumentation.

[@warlordjr.jr.]

Point of proof here, nobody actually likes Yeat for his lyrics, they're just there as filler for the beat. They like the inteumentals BNYX produces for Yeat.

[@skinnytimmy1]

​@@warlordjr.jr. yes, yeat could literally speak jibberish on the track and no one cares, but he knows how to flow on good beats

[@khalidhassaan2719]

People don't give enough credit to Uncle Charlie. This man has been consistently making music and hits for over four decades while staying connected with new and upcoming artists. He's been a progressive icon for nearly half a century. It irks me because I feel like he's not talked about enough when it comes to his ability connecting with the youth. First name Charlie, last name Wilson, S tier oldhead.

[@bigsolo6952]

🐐

[@Dipset415]

So do the Isley

[@selalewis9189]

This is where I think Desus & Mero were good examples. Middle-aged guys who were in the hip hop entertainment/commentary space and were open and gracious to younger rappers. Sometimes the best people equipped to platform younger rappers may not be older rappers themselves but rather people who understand the culture and are good interviewers. I will disagree with you in OutKast. There is no OutKast without Big Boi. There is no Love Below without Speakerboxxx. They,are a string of classic albums together because of their unique chemistry and presentation.

[@icholas1527]

Big Boi always catching shade. Man is a certified legend.

[@afroman91794]

I have been waiting for this video all week!

[@westwiz-348t2giti]

Thank you for the Charleston White takes. I hear older black people that I respect say Charleston White is real for what he says, I thought I was going crazy.

[@ReshonBryant]

Yup🐒

[@strigoi_guhlqueen8355]

0:42 you had me laughing so hard my belly hurt.

[@JonathanIsrael708]

So are we okay with Hip-Hop forever being a genre for young people? I thought it was said because Hip-Hop itself was young, but as we got closer to it being 50 years old we saw rappers stay in the genre longer or still able to release good music. Its confusing that Andre put hip-hop in a box like that, because none of his guest verses were young sounding. Just sounded like a mature man rapping. And if you go back, even when he was critical of the culture, the verse was loved and praised.

[@eliasmg9144]

2:38 - 2:43 for a moment i got distracted cause it sounded like you were legitimately spitting a verse

[@djangogeek]

When FD said "hmaninmamamananemenanmea" I FELT THAT 🔥

[@lowlowseesee]

That earthy beat is so hard. I can’t stop dancing at work lol

[@MichaelJohnson-ep8xt]

Simple. Hip hop has been commercialized. We don’t have control of what popular. With that said, anything that is catchy will be played and anything challenging or “different” will not.

[@Vante21]

I would take the stance that everything is commercialized now but things are also more suggestive if you're willing to look for them. Like most people (most younger people) don't listen to the radio to find new music. Either your algorithms help you find new things or you follow people who put you on to new music. Or you go find it yourself. The catchy things have always been played, if you want anything challenging or different - you have to seek it.

[@moof3220]

So incredibly glad i found your channel great points!

[@SpiffyTrev]

I didn't realize we're the same age... I'm only halfway through, but I think I'm going to need a 6 hour version of this where you go through the entire cast of Def Jam: Fight For New York.

[@ottogreenjr.7857]

This is a lifesaving conversation, my brotha!!! We too often dictate the conversation as old heads instead of letting the drum circle invoke real village love! ✊🏾

[@Nerd_Jee]

I was around for the NORE “what what” era lol. I was like 8 or 9 yrs old but I was there. Young AF rapping Super Thug wondering who the hell Pharrell was in the video talking 😂. To be born in the late 80s, raised in the 90s and in high school and college during the early to mid 2000s. I’m a proud young-ish old head .

[@reallybeenhim]

just started watching fd and he's already one of my favorite old heads. preciate you unc

[@justsatire4683]

41? Homie you look great

[@ZMSportsnShorts]

"I believe that words have meaning." ~ Joe Budden is so profound

[@miajmosley]

Lmao thats common sense

[@Scriven42]

41 is "old head"? So, I'm 50. I'm an ancestor then... damn.

[@otherperson]

I feel like FD doesn't realize that 20 years ago was 2003. I feel like he's saying it and means the early 90s lol

[@adultishgambino1]

The problem with older rappers is they’re either completely out of touch and release a Magna Carta or they reflect on their life and release a 4:44...

[@quincyquincy4764]

Both are great albums

[@MB2.0]

I'm young and I enjoyed King's disease 3 by Nas

[@vigneshsubramanian2511]

The thing about Andre though is he is fair in in his own take of choosing to not rap but he is wrong to convince all rappers his age should stop rapping because Jay-Z and Scarface made classic albums over the age of 40: 4:44 and On the fix respectively. Both artists kinda created a niche known as old head rap. Ofc, they can make an album like that because they faced hardships in their middle age while Andre living the best life in his 40s.

[@Boogalyhu]

Hip hop isn’t in a rough space, the mainstream has just become less culturally relevant to fans of hip hop. Old heads are used to the mainstream of hip hop being the absolute thought leaders. That is not the case today. The biggest artists are really more like pop stars. The music itself is in a better place then ever. There are more great artists then ever before. Especially because of the ever more relevant international scene.

[@sylvesterhurt447]

First video I watched… subscribed. Quality content bro… can’t wait for the wifey podcast joint💪🏿

[@ohnostaleBread]

This really is the tier list I never knew I needed

[@zebraylonwoodruff6773]

That feels like the biggest issue for every group. Having systems and structures designed "for" us and not "with" us

[@dexenationgracey1979]

I'm in an interesting predicament when it comes to the old head/new head divide since I'm in my mid 20s but basically everything i listen to is from the 80s and 90s. Like, not many people my age even heard of DJ Kool Herc or Grandmaster Flowers or any of the originators. Everyone assumes I'm Gen X because my favorite rapper is Guru and that I can quote It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back from beginning to end. I think people like me can bridge the gap between old heads and new heads.

[@markmessi9020]

I love how this speech to the oldheads telling them to speak to the youth, not lecture them is hidden in a fun tier list video so it gets youngbloods to watch too. Now weve all seen this video. Big brain!

[@Anti-AntiAintI]

This why that Snoop/Chief Keef sit down will go down in history 😂

[@APrime25]

I was thinking it, but, but you said it… I GOT HELLA WORK TO DO! My nephew ain’t never gonna come to me for advice, and I can’t even blame him if he don’t, if I don’t stop dogging him like I have…

[@Skip-Towne]

My older brother listened to outkast a lot, he's the reason I knew about them at the time. So in my mind Andre is still the same age as he was back then (if that makes sense?), so it was a shock to see him when I heard about the new album - and when you referred to him as an old head I was like, damn you're right! Just feels wrong to my frozen-in-time brain 😂 That being said ambient experimental music was always more my thing than rap, so I was very excited for his new music direction. It's a great album, but mostly I'm just glad he seems to be having fun with it.

[@marcuscrawford585]

Bro, you had me CRYING with the N.O.R.E ad lib! 😂

[@PheeblePhilosopher]

Dee-1 has said repeatedly that he's PURPOSEFULLY aiming his discord towards artists of his generation, because the youngers still have time for growth & maturity; whereas old niggas aren't showing the much needed development 💯.

[@noizyme]

I love the message. I'm starting a podcast at 43 as well, my 2nd one. My first was with a friend about nostalgia of the 90's in general, and most of it ended up being "man, times are not like they used to be." Maybe so, but the times don't END now unless you let them, and it's up to the creative types to use the young ones to springboard off of sometimes. I'll be looking for that new podcast of yours. Have fun, for yourself, forget about saturation in the podcast-o-sphere.

[@brandonmorris6901]

Ready for Mr. And Mrs. Signifier podcast.

[@magnifayamusic4364]

You the most balanced nuanced old head out here. Love it.

[@kaleng.a_soneka]

Big Boi and JID had an interview together about a month ago. Haven't watched it though, so I'm not sure if what they were talking about is what you're looking for.

[@JONQPiD]

8:42 … an entire song of just “what, what, what, what, what, WHAT… WWHHAAAAAT!!!”. 😂

[@WillieEarlSon]

Charleston white almost worse than Candice owens cause he figured out to appeal to more black people and idk how i feel about it. I saw him 85 south show and it hurt my spirit

[@theordinarychannel9334]

those "back in my day ass conversations" Cook 🧑‍🍳

[@jalenchildress716]

I think Andre is 100% wrong about not having anything to rap about at his age. Nas has been disproving that for the last 5 years or so with the Magic and Kings Disease albums. I think his real issue is the fact that he feels a level of insecurity in his craft and that’s understandable when you reached such heights at such a young age but say that. That don’t true and make it seem like you have less to talk about now than you did then and DEFINITELY stop talking down on the state of hip hop when you alone have to power to shift it but don’t do it

[@possiblymaybe6711]

What? He himself just doesn’t feel like he has much to say. That’s literally all he said but you and a million other people take it as an offense to the whole entire genre it’s weird asf. Rap is the only genre that people feel like they’re owed something from their artists. He’s moved on to a different chapter in life that doesn’t have room for rap at the moment that’s all.

[@jalenchildress716]

@@possiblymaybe6711 you’re conflating points and thus missing what I’m actually saying in favor of your seemingly preconceived notions on the matter. Idk where you’re getting me being offended from. Seems like that word is used loosely as hell these days just to point out something people may not agree with. I’m not offended by him not rapping. Nor do I feel like he “ owes “ anyone anything. I’m speaking to how he speaks about rap, and his mindset about it. It’s extremely pessimistic, and I for one will never condone or respect someone just complaining about an issue that they alone have the power to fix. Whether that be Andre or a politician, complaining about things while putting in minimal effort to actually fix it will be called out by me every time off who it is.

[@jalenchildress716]

@@possiblymaybe6711 also, that’s not all he said. It may be the only part you wanna address here with me but Andre has been talking down in the state of hip hop for like a decade now. May wanna go watch his Rick Ruben interview again my guy. Don’t be fooled by how soft spoken and articulate he is. The language he uses when talking about hip hop is a very pessimistic and nihilistic view on and that is nothing but him projecting

[@TX-xq6dx]

He does have social anxiety. Who knows?

[@ReshonBryant]

That's assuming Nas and 3K are equivalent 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@AngeltheAnswer]

You solidified your old head status with how you said J.I.D.

[@Mustafa777.]

Regardless of any type of music, we often look at the old head stuff with rose coloured glasses because it’s usually the good shit that gets remembered. Every era has had its share of gold and crap

[@justafish9618]

You absolutely killed me with your modern rap imitation I couldn't stop giggling

[@ChrisGnosis]

I'm now searching NES Dreamcast on every music platform weekly until someone drops

[@Mustanggt505]

honestly the old heads had a huge come back proud of them

[@Edu-Take]

Love this, especially your point about engaging the youth. If you don't seriously connect with them and listen you never will reach them the way you'd like.