Silent-Yachts Facing Bankruptcy? What's Next for the Solar Powered Companies?"

[@robertjakl9125]

Mr. Michael and ms. Heike invested their entire life in this company. I deeply hope they will find solutions for curent finances. Go Silent Yachts!

[@MrMagnus]

They screwed me over completely. I ordered a Silent Yacht and paid 2.1m which is all lost in their bankruptcy. The new company they started says I would need to pay another 4.8m to get a boat that I ordered at 3.2m and that my 2.1m paid does not count.

[@Jo.King_]

@@MrMagnussounds awful but your bullshitting.

[@snorttroll4379]

Link to proof?

[@MrMagnus]

@@snorttroll4379 proof of what? I can forward you the emails if you want.

[@natepolitics1490]

@@MrMagnus Is this true or you just making that up.? Why would you pay full price for something that the company never finished building? there wasn't a deposit then once they complete the boat then you pay full price. Like when people ordered the telsa truck.

[@chizzlemo3094]

Odd given they had a waiting list, maybe that 25 year engine guarantee is for nothing? Hopefully it can be resolved as its a spectacular product

[@eddisonyoung8384]

Cooperate word salad for, they got 'leaned' on. Every company, especially with a ground breaking product, will reach a point where they are , potential rich, but cash poor. That's when the sharks move in, miss one payment and they get your whole company. One thing for sure, this is the future of yachting, we will never forget who developed it.

[@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi]

This is not the "future of yachting" for probably another 20 years. Diesel/electric hybrid with solar backup is the foreseeable future in yachting unless battery and solar technology jump by about 5×. Check out Greenline Yachts. They're not going bankrupt because their engineers are firmly grounded in reality.

[@snorttroll4379]

So an investor or bond holder had a prepaid boat on order and did not pay in to kneecap the company to take ocer?

[@MrMagnus]

@@snorttroll4379 the Koehlers spent the client deposits freely on expensive offices, nice dinners and even bought themselves a plane to go to their holiday house in Greece with company money.

[@harpintn]

The technology certainly has potential, but Solar panels are not quite there yet. When new more efficient panels that can capture solar with 60% efficiency buying one of those instead of a fossil fuel powered vessel will be a given. Now they can only travel about at about 5 knots on just solar.

[@MrRossi1805]

I hoped to buy, in 15 years, a used one and to enjoy my retirement on it 😊

[@makoado6010]

the life spawn of solar panels about 15 years and about 7.9 of the batteries.

[@RunaboutRevival]

@@makoado6010easy enough to replace, and by then, the price and efficiency will both likely have improved as well.

[@makoado6010]

@@RunaboutRevival not easy but possible.. and expensive.. but if u think dark.. and realistic that 15years probably more that what u left after retirement..

[@douglasmontgomery6315]

I think solar/electric has its place in island hopping/coastal cruisers. Silent Yacht should have focused on all the customers needs. Size (36/40/45) for the entry-level, budget minded. Solar/Electric and Diesel/Electric Hybrid for longer cruising and redundancy. Lastly, Silent Yacht NEVER showed the numbers and video of deploying the kite sail. Would like to see real numbers and the time/effort to utilize this sail.

[@pin65371]

I was thinking a houseboat would work well with this. They tyically are not going too far and then they sit. While you are traveling you could have the generator running and then the batteries are charged with solar. That is what I'd build if I wanted to build a larger houseboat. Also just use a gas generator but still put a decent sized gas tank in so you could fill up your toys with fuel. Basically have a mobile gas station while mostly using solar for the operation of the houseboat.

[@AnthonySanders-r4q]

My hope is there is no private investors that are going to come in and take it up. Private means pirate I’ve been watching silent yachts for three years now, and hope they would’ve made it without this growing pain like all sound businesses there is a trial and tribulations to overcome. Yes, I would buy one.

[@MrMagnus]

They went bankrupt after spending client money on other things than building their boats. Customers got screwed. They should be in jail.

[@snorttroll4379]

What did they spend it on?

[@russelllapua4904]

Just FYI, SY has been acquired by one of its clients Michael Said. They're fine.

[@lylefranksaunders2113]

Well if thy don’t come up with a better looking design and focus on one design/model thy are most certainly done for it, there is a reason companies start with one design, and produce larger volume or said design

[@thinkaboutit6832]

@@lylefranksaunders2113 Their salon designs are awful looking, the design and placenent of the interior is shocking to the eye!

[@Chretze]

@@lylefranksaunders2113 Their designs are great, proven by the long waiting list for their ships as more people have placed orders for them than they can build.

[@MrMagnus]

The clients are not though. I paid 2.1m for a SY which the new company does not honor. Mr S lent money into the new company which he most likely will extract from future suckers

[@Chretze]

@@MrMagnus That's rough! So the new company didn't properly go through the books when acquiring SY or something?

[@calledout4437]

Gee what a surprise! Make a yacht nobody can afford and go bankrupt. I kept saying, they need a consumer version that the average guy who might have a million or two could afford. Like a 40' version or less, but nope.

[@henq]

Agree! They started with the Solarwave 62 for 1.4mio euro without VAT. But from than on, only bigger and bigger and more expensive models....

[@gwmu7745]

Start is 2.8€

[@Costa2017]

@@gwmu7745😮

[@CitizenMio]

It's a double whammy. Not only can the "average millionaire" not even afford one, the truly rich that can, are exponentially unlikely to care about burning fuel. Heck they probably made their money in oil.

[@calledout4437]

@@CitizenMio yes exactly my thoughts!

[@ChrisHolman]

The silent 55 is my dream boat

[@jksmithiii]

These yachts are obviously a labor of love, given this incredible product. And often times that labor is expended in such a competitive market. I read somewhere they had a buyer worked out.

[@geralddraper4491]

Thank goodness for customization. Say afloat

[@jsrac]

I love to buy one when the battery technology can allow the yacht to go faster.

[@davepubliday6410]

They kept making bigger and bigger boats. I wonder if they instead focused on making fewer models, maybe even just a 55’, and worked on efficiency, speed of production and price, if they could find some solvency.

[@dinhscot]

I don't understand.. Silent Yatch is selling well.. they going to introduce the 100M mega version as well

[@MrMagnus]

But they struggle to produce them to the point that they went bankrupt after spending the clients money. They tried building a big one but failed and had to scrap it. I bought one, paid 2.1m but lost it all

[@dinhscot]

@@MrMagnus I see, so they took money and don't deliver.. which is a bad business practices and plan all around. Thanks for the report. There another large Solar Boat maker by the name of Sunreef Eco Yachts that I probably look toward to make my boat purchase than..

[@dereknorman6561]

Hopefully they push through as I will purchase one in next few years!

[@MrMagnus]

Why would you trust them after their bankruptcy that screwed over buyers like myself?

[@polarbear4612]

Both batteries and solar panels are improving slowly each year. While this may not seem like much, added together these yatchs will improve quite allot over a 10 year period and will not require any major redesign, just use of the new batteries and panels as they come out.

[@peterjol]

I would certainly feel incredibly jalouse and envious of anyone who has one of those ..they are fantastic.

[@ashoakenfold]

I wish they'd build a tiny catamaran for ~500k.

[@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi]

Honestly, you could probably buy a tiny catamaran and have it converted to solar electric for $500k. But the reason they're going out of business is that people are starting to realize that solar panel AND battery technology aren't far enough along yet to make them a viable standalone option. Even most people rich enough to afford millions for a solar yacht can't afford to wait around for it to charge ...IF the sun is even out to charge it. The panels have to be cleaned constantly, they lose efficiency with each year, and no one wants to be stranded at sea waiting for the sun.

[@dinhscot]

@@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi All these yacht has diesel electric generator allowing the Silent Yacht to charged and run even without the sun

[@Jo.King_]

@@dinhscotmight as well buy a new diesel Volvo engine.

[@wolfgangsaller5843]

@@dinhscot Telling about green yachting, needing Diesel to come along! Their biggest Problem is the enormous weight and the cause is not the batteries! These yoghurt-cups are filled with everything a person who can afford such a solar toy needs to survive in his luxury live! Additionally the area of the solar panells is to small! I saw a video of a young couple testriding the SY60 just around the Baleares and they didn´t really come along on that few miles! IMO without sails or at least a very light and evenso very expensive carbon hull and less luxury to reduce the weight it will not work! But what kind of jet-setter wants less for more cash!

[@wolfgangsaller5843]

@@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi You are absolutely right!!!

[@captainjpz]

I hope to buy one someday

[@MrMagnus]

Why? They went bankrupt

[@Time2Live.online]

I believe they have proven proof of concept, there is definitely a market for sustainable yachting. But whether it's Silent Yachts or Vision E or F, they need to break out of this mold of only producing Catamarans.

[@henq]

you need a lot of surface for the solar panels. only catamarans offer that large surface.

[@Time2Live.online]

@@henq Of contraire, I have measured the available surface of three super yachts, and there is more square footage available to hold solar panels, or even better, solar sheets than they have on silent yachts or the vision E. Keep in mind, SunReef yachts has proven that solar does not have to be only on flat roof like surfaces.

[@dcbrown5875]

Hopefully their future clears quickly uncertainties are not good in luxury items …..

[@MrMagnus]

Well, they went bankrupt. Clients lost huge amounts of money by trusting them like I did. I regret it big time

[@Protocolpimp]

Damnnn wtf I didn’t get rich yet hang in there imma buy one soon

[@JeromeTao]

This is exactly what's in my mind

[@mariorodriguez2299]

I love Silent Yachts !!!!🩷🇲🇽

[@ultramarinus2478]

They did have work for years ahead... But 48 mil euro - that is like 3-5 ships not payed at all. Somehow do not understand, how can they reach such situation... Either way wishing them luck and good bussiness in the future. Btw, try investigate counterrotating toroidal propellers. Should highten the efficiency extremely with relatively understandable rise in the price of purchase and possible repairs of propeller(s).

[@Ride-Tahoe]

Yes im buying 7 of them. 1 for each day of the week in the favorite colors of my wife and my 6 mistresses. Right after I sell my collection of diamond encrusted gold toilets. These watercraft are amazing and I wish the company best of luck in all their future endeavors. Please make a semi-affordable 19 foot cruiser for lakes with an electric powered trailer that uses the boat battery and thus can be towed by an even a compact car. Thank you!!!

[@rocknroll2199]

I do not like to see any innovative company have issues but I must be honest here. Every sailor has unexpectedly found themselves in heavy storm seas and at night where a battery alone will not last and you must maintain propulsion. Ocean storms come up fast and sometimes unpredictably on the ocean and you must maintain headway in a proper direction in heavy seas or they will eat a boat up. Sometimes you find yourself in a situation where you cannot out run them or swing around them. Any lack of power to the electric motors is a death nell in that situation. I cannot see an electric only boat filling that requirement in today's current systems state. Electric propulsion must be combined with other forms such that it compliments for the maintenance of propulsion through a night's heavy seas. Even a small diesel on a sail boat with a sliver of a furling out can keep its bow into the rollers even making negative headway and keep from being capsized. I can see this combines with either sail or diesel tech such that one becomes a backup and compliments the other. I'm sorry, but I would not be on an all electric boat in blue water. Of course, I could be misunderstanding something about these ships.

[@patony_1288]

Oh my heart just broke when I heard about the Bankruptcy, I hope it won't affect the workmanship of such beautiful yatch, I definitely would buy one if only I could afford it, Well I thought about all the ones that have already been sold, where would they get replacement parts if something breaks, SILENT, you have one of those (60) with my name on it, just waiting for me to come get it, But the Dam lottery keeps shrugging its shoulders and thumbing its nose at me, But one of these days ,I beg of you, just wait for me.😊

[@chrissingletary2876]

The problem is that while the electric yachts are a great concept, they suffer from the same issues that electric cars do. You can't run them all day and even when you run them for a few hours, you can't run them at their highest speed or it sucks the batteries down too fast. Batteries also add alot of weight to the boats just like they do to the cars, which is even worse for the boat since the drag it produces in the water is very substantial in comparison to on land and just tires on the road. This also makes the boats slower than they should be. Then they have to compete with sailing yachts as this type of purchase is for a boat that doesn't need renewable fuel like diesel. Well, a sailing yacht while more complex to operate from a wind and sails management point of view, is much lighter (no batteries), can operate faster in the right wind conditions, and with the advent of modern sailing methods and hardware is not that complex anymore. Until the battery efficiency gets higher and lower weight, and the motors get more efficient, I do not see this being a purchase for most people, which is sad really because the concept is correct. To have a power boat that is not dependant on any external fuel would be fantastic. Go where you want and not worry about where to get diesel is what anyone would want. T

[@rioborzeli147]

I think it's absolutely fantastic that somebody could invent a boat with solar pure 100% solar power amazing. I wish they would concentrate on an affordable market.. maybe that's where things could prove that would help them. I wouldn't mind spending 200 300,000 for a boat like this. I certainly don't have millions like many other people.. Their market is for the elite at this stage unfortunately, the average people can't afford this beautiful great initiative

[@CanadianPrimate]

I love this concept. Just peace and independence. I could help them if they wanted lol.

[@sasakostic1982]

but peace & independence aren't cheap you need to pay ;)

[@CanadianPrimate]

@@sasakostic1982 I don’t pay to help. I usually get paid lol or it’s an act of good faith.

[@TheChartistYT]

I believe their idea would be best suited, for now, for Lake activities. Making much smaller versions of current models. Say, 15-30 feet and cut the cost for purchase down to $50,000 or less.

[@pin65371]

They could still build a bigger version for lakes. Where I'm at there are houseboat that are nearly 100 ft long. A large solar powered houseboat would be great. Put a gas generator on board with a larger gas tank and the generator could be backup with the extra fuel mostly being there for your seadoos and wake boarding boat.

[@geoffkong7076]

Wonder how many world cruising totally solar ppwered boats we'll see this year coming to the South Pacific ?

[@Drucio1]

Anyone know if anyone has tried to circumvent with one of these things? I've heard of the guy in the Atlantic but I wanna know if someone was ballsy enough to take it across pacific

[@MichaelKöhler-r6k]

Hi, not yet - but our clients cruised way more than 100.000 miles on almost all oceans - in a few weeks even on the Pacific Ocean. It´s even easier to cross the Pacific Ocean - as the name "pacific" indicates, calm, not a lot of wind, but sunny.

[@gwmu7745]

1. With Sunreef, I doubt that the solar panels laminated into the hull will ever balance out the additional costs in the lifetime of the catamaran. Sunreef is a luxury symbol. Admittedly impressive when you step aboard, but few people can afford 5-star luxury. Silent is less than half the price. Still a long way from the normal price level, but the inovation accessible to more people for a charter. 2. if you do the math, you get results. a) Purchase price in relation to the possible solar area, as well as the question of the stated engine power? Can the solar harvest store enough energy for these motors? b) Additional weights at the top of the ship and the increase in torque characteristics in moving water until capsizing. c) Ratio of ship weight for monohulls (often steel) or multihulls and thus even heavier engines, thus worsening the balance between possible solar harvesting in batteries, further increase in ship weight. Solar harvesting is 60-90% lower in sidewalls. So more of a marketing gain. Water resistance to be overcome at 6, 12, 18, 24 knots? ... Underwater hulls for monohulls and multihulls are different worlds,... much more. If you don't know the different influencing factors, you can't calculate them. And a little tip. Even a thin tensioned line leads to 60% solar yield loss. Every antenna or radome and and and.... Measuring a ship for a solar harvest from a bird's eye view???. ...is just as precise as the gardener's statement that exactly this one seed grows the fastest when he reseeds the soccer pitch. But to work with and find out new ways is allways positiv. Greetings to all

[@gwmu7745]

​@@MichaelKöhler-r6k What boat? Where i can find the BBC Fox or or other the worldrecordnews? 2,5 times around the world in weeks is exelent. Gratulations

[@MrMagnus]

My plan was to do that with the SY I ordered and paid for but then they went bankrupt and screwed me over

[@crashcoree3608]

So what happened to the SY 120 that was in build or the SY 80 that was also in build? I don’t think any SY 80’s were ever completed. The SY 120 they said would be finished this year but I guess not anymore.

[@MrMagnus]

They tried building 1 of the 120ft before their bankruptcy but allegedly they had to scrap it. None of the 80s were completed before their bankruptcy. The new company were forcing buyers to pay huge amounts of additional money to not lose their boats. I had one and paid 2.1m which I lost.

[@katanaridingremy]

They need to focus on innovating. Throwing solar on the yacht is great, but there are so many other things to do to make the boat sustainable. There are cheaper, lighter, denser batteries, and they should be using wave currents as well as the change in temp from water to air to create base load electricity so the batteries never have to rely only on solar. Kite's to help with wind generation would be great as well.

[@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi]

Because straight electric with solar charging is stupid! Diesel electric hybrid with solar backup is where its at! Just because someone's rich doesn't mean they can afford to sit around 8 hours and wait for their boat to charge up (or up to 16 hours if they ran out right before sundown). Greenline has the right idea!

[@CitizenMio]

Redundancy is key for sure when far away from shore. I remember talk about a kite system for one of their models? With sail catamarans at least, being able to use the props as dynamos to regen is a hugely powerful combo that blows any solar out of the water. So taking advantage of the wind when present, in addition to a hybrid generator would be even better.

[@darthkek1953]

SY all have generators that can be used to fill the batteries, you're not dead in the water if you run out of sun.

[@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi]

@darthkek1953 Yeah, but they can't propel the boat while they charge, like a diesel hybrid can. Also, in a diesel hybrid, if one or the other goes out. You still have a backup to get home. That's pretty important when you're miles out at sea.

[@darthkek1953]

@@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi that's literally the opposite of the truth. SY have a management system that lets them charge the batteries from the generator whilst also using the batteries to power the engine. You really need to study these boats more.

[@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi]

@darthkek1953 I know they have a generator. You're not understanding what I'm saying about redundancy. And I've actually studied up on sy a lot and I'm telling you. They're going bankrupt for a reason! You should study up on Greenline diesel hybrid yachts.

[@Unstoppabletravel]

There has been some reviews of their yachts and their projected bluewater cruising is not sustainable. They are only good for short coastal or island hops. Anything longer and you need to use diesel backup.

[@Telopead]

It’s not gonna work if they continue to sell boats in the millions. I mean, what’s their comparative advantages? Being green? They are system integrators, not innovators. Anyone can build boats like that buying existing components on the market. They are not like Tesla, they don’t have r&b on the core tech of their boat(batteries, panels, efficient motors). Not a disrupter at all, will be out of the market if any big player enters the market.

[@olivercromwell7949]

All they have to do is move to México and they can continúe growing.

[@merendell]

I wish them luck but I dont think they are going to be able to make this work unless they can get the price way down. Those ships are massive and heavy, they've put so much luxury into them that even a cats impressive surface area is just not enough solar with current tech. Its possible to make a decent cruiser, I've seen at least 1 sailing cat on youtube that got converted to a solar power cat that gets 50ish miles a day on pure solar in the tropics. Thats plenty for island hopping and I wouldnt be surprised if a good engineer couldn't whip up an efficient design that could push 100miles a day off solar. However they are not going to hit that if they just load the ship down like a luxury hotel. not without major advancements in solar tech. A smaller ship in the 40-50ft range that's efficient and maximizes solar area would probably make a good charter ship or family live aboard. folks that are not in a paritucular hurry wouldnt mind a 50-100 mile daily range. super yachts with multi million price tags that are limited to fairly modest sustainable speeds on the solar selling point have a rather limited market audience.

[@marviwilson1853]

There yachts are too expensive. I believe $3.4 Million dollars for a 50ft example. Crazy! Solar panels are cheap, electric motors are cheap and lithium phosphate batteries are relatively cheap. No expensive diesel engines and associated mechanicals to pay for. They build their yachts wrong. Too few solar panels with no athwartships telescopic panel extensions. They could cheaply double the solar generating capacity and have much more installed battery capacity. No need for back up diesel generators at all. They build their yachts with complex under water curves when the boat is really only going to go about 4-5Kts where hydrodynamic drag is pretty minimal not deserving such time consuming complex shape.

[@shawno9564]

Make more affordable cruisers.

[@MrMagnus]

or just dont go bankrupt and screw over customers

[@evvignes]

They always forget to mention the massive diesel generators that all of these “solar powered” boats have.

[@jimj2683]

The main problem is that their design isn't attractive enough. Needs to be cleaner, more minimalist modern and elegant.

[@douglasmontgomery6315]

There was supposed to be a 44 I believe..but that never happened

[@atlantis9284]

First thing they should do is stop with the constant up sale on "Environmentally Friendly" bull shit. Maybe mention it once somewhere in the middle of the pitch to customers. If it is as good as the owners say, use its features to sell it. Then the fact that it is so "quite" to run, and no loud engine noise is a huge selling point. Use those angles. I could never afford to buy one of these, but I know the people that can couldn't care less about how ecofriendly it is. Its luxury, so sell the luxury, silence, and hassle-free upkeep.

[@tonynotstated695]

3:40. Yeah, this company is finished if they are banking on knowledgable people in the industry to invest large sums of money. These boats are more expensive than their competitors with diesel engines.

[@felicytatomaszewska]

I have been keenly observing silent yacht since last 2 years as I am very much interested in sustainable transport especially yachting. I appreciate the effort, vision and goal of the silent yacht but I always found it a bit overrated and more of marketing gimmick because slient yachts is neither the first nor the only solar yacht producer rather I prefer the solutions from Sunreef and HH yacht that combines solar and sails with regen through propeller

[@darthkek1953]

SY are for the anti-sail crowd. When you say SY were not the first, they were ahead of Sunreef. SY were 2016, SR were 2022. I'd love to know what pre-2016 large electric-only boat you're thinking of.

[@MrMagnus]

@@darthkek1953 Last year they managed to get 1 boat into the water. Then they went bankrupt early this year. A new company was started that screwed over all clients. I would not be surprised if this happens again

[@darthkek1953]

@@MrMagnus yeah, they collapsed. But they were first.

[@Juan-oy3fo]

Silent ? Since when are yatch s loud

[@kokomo9764]

This is more like an advert than news about bankruptcy.

[@MarkSwift-o2i]

The factory has no solar panels on the roof, says it all really😂😂😂

[@ianjaeger4178]

i want one sierra leone how i can get?

[@MrMagnus]

Why? They went bankrupt. I lost the money I paid for one

[@gatecrasher1970]

the history around italy building infastructure not good crumbling bridges and roads and tunnels and sinking venice only thing they done good was supercars

[@gwmu7745]

Translated: Although too little internal information is openly available, I assume that there has been a clear breach of contract. Whether the Turkish/Dutch partner was just playing too much poker with contract back payments and was caught up in the technical accounting laws or was deliberately trying to damage a competitor that was growing too quickly can only be seen after a judicial investigation. It is bitter for Michael Kohler to hand over his life's work to someone else. Conclusion? Explosive success attracts false friends. The "good advice" written here and in other forums does not see all the visible facts or has too little experience of an entrepreneurial life. In the euphoria of overwhelming success, malicious influences are often not recognized. People are often caught up in their work-filled world. Perhaps that was also the case here. A greeting to all honest people who share their inspirations with others

[@MrMagnus]

MK spent the clients money and bankrupted the company. He should be in jail and I believe it will happen. He even bought himself a plane with client deposits

[@wolfgangsaller5843]

@@MrMagnus That´s the problem of so many start-ups and SY is IMO nothing more than that ... the first shine of success on the horizon and they think they are Elon Musk or Onassis for the older ones!!!

[@MrMagnus]

@@wolfgangsaller5843 exactly! They spent the client deposits like their own money relying on new deposits

[@IssisLinn]

They expend too fast in my opinion.

[@benson8310]

sunreef needs to increase their product categories, produce sail yachts, motor boats etc

[@johnlundgren5085]

I'm sorry but I'm not interested in anything you have to offer, but I'm in the process of building my own Tiny Houseboat that will be 100 % OFF GRID in the United States of America 🇺🇸

[@marksimmons896]

Cryptocurrency is ready for the ne t bull run. I am very passionate about 🎉😢 this company.

[@MrMagnus]

Why? They went bankrupt after they lost many many millions

[@jesetemo]

It is too expensive and very slow. Unlike Tesla, Silent Yachts does not offer an extraordinary product for a slightly higher cost of ownership.

[@mastercommander4535]

Too slow unfortunately

[@MrMagnus]

They are even slower and heavier than the specs. You heard they went bankrupt right? I paid 2.1m to get one but that money is now lost

[@marksimmons896]

The crypto boom is about to happen. I will buy one and so will many others

[@AbdulAlhazred-l2l]

WEF should fund them.

[@MrMagnus]

No they should be in jail after going bankrupt

[@Cio-kc1sk]

Just like Tesla cars people are freaking "scared" cuz they think they might be stranded cuz of charging. REALLY PEOPLE? PEOPLE ARE JUST FREAKING AFRAID OF CHANGES. Electric is the future like it or not. People are just hating just like people are hating on Tesla.

[@MrMagnus]

I agree but SY went bankrupt after spending clients money. I lost my 2.1m I paid for a SY and their new company says it is lost and does not count.

[@snorttroll4379]

Well. We just dont want to be forced to use more exoensice transportation. Now when aptera x gets 4 wheels and two more seats, people might choose electric voluntarily(no subsidies)