Simagic P2000 Hydraulic Pedals | First Drive & First Impressions

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Full review now LIVE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5CXdZ-Eq7mEhKc

[@hMint]

Perfect timing, was just thinking about these pedals. Bought an Alpha mini two days ago and most of the deciding factor was from you, thanks mate

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Wow nice! These are just my first impressions so it’s too early to compare them to other pedals right now. But if you’re in the Simagic ecosystem I imagine that most will be very happy especially if they’re coming from mid range pedals

[@Masterleechan]

Get them had mine for 2 weeks 200kg I love um

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

Ey no way! I had been hoping you would get your hands on a set of these! I have had my set for about... 3 weeks and have put about 20 hours into them, I'm pretty happy with the quality of the pedals and how they feel physically but the software really does need to step up and if I'm gonna be honest, I'm getting strong EMI when I plug them into the base (or it might be grounding issues...) and only when plugged into the base. I actually like them more than my Alpha Mini haha, have the 200kg load cell and the long accelerator, I kinda wish I had gotten the regular accelerator pedal and bought the upgraded one at a later date (the regular one isn't sold on its own). Beautiful pedals, absolutely gorgeous in everyway. Highly recommended.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yeah I haven't messed with the software yet. I just used content manager to set deadzones so far. Glad you're enjoying yours, if I need any tips I'll come and ask :) So far, I'm enjoying them. They're very 'plug and play' which I really appreciate.

[@flugel1983]

When i bought my alpha i had already heusinkveld’s pro pedals. Never had problems with them until I installed the alpha base. After all it was a grounding problem. Grounded my pedals to the controlbox and problem was solved. Maybe its comming from the direct drive

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

@@LaurenceDusoswa feel free to ask me any questions Laurence! I forgot to say that I enjoyed the video very much, thanks for all you do for our little community and the Simagic brand overall. It's da king of spuds coming back with another hit!

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

@@flugel1983 yeah maybe it is, but that's something that troubles me tbh... All this money we spend and they ship it out with grounding issues...? Anyways I still love all my Simagic products 😅😎

[@Masterleechan]

Had mine for two weeks no wobble no emi issues I love um coming from hpps

[@achmadtheterror]

Hey Lawrence, great vid! I have a suggestion for the clutch pedal. My friend came up with this. you can 3D print/cut out a 20mm x 20mm Plastic/metal piece around 5mm thick (or any hard material). Stick some double sided tape on one side and if you'd like, stick on foam on the other side. Then you can place that on the base piece of the clutch underneath the location of the pivot (between the pedal and spring) at full travel. This limits the clutch travel and dampens the sound significantly. I was finding that the clutch force felt weird and the force fell off too much too suddenly, so I made this modification to limit the travel until just over the hump of the channel for the clutch. You can add/remove foam/double sided tape to change the height of the assembly to limit the travel to your liking. I'd give it a go and see if it helps, let me know if there are any questions about this if you wanted to try it out. I personally like the clutch better after the mod. It won't completely transform it into something amazing, but it helped in my experience.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Nice! I won’t go modding these though as I need to review them as the customer would get them and use them the way they would. Maybe in the future. Thanks for the great tip though! It might help someone.

[@achmadtheterror]

@@LaurenceDusoswa fair enough, makes sense. Looking forward to the full review!

[@kenhiew2900]

Thanks for that, will try it out

[@craiggallagher4461]

Definitely interested to hear your thoughts on the clutch once you've given it a thorough test as I thought the action to simulate the clutch bite point looked really well done so the fact you're not that happy with it on first impressions is not what I was expecting at all. Look forward to the full review!

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

the clutch isn't bad, it's just not on the level where I expect it to be. It IS innovative but just doesn't feel the way I would like it to. Hopefully I can tweak it in the coming weeks

[@craiggallagher4461]

@@LaurenceDusoswa cheers for the reply 👍

[@ACCLongy01]

There might be something a miss with his. I personally like how the clutch feels. But I only had the fanatec v3's as a reference.

[@flugel1983]

Good impression of the pedals. The looks are stunning. The black pedals with the grey edges. The sideways wobble that you showed was my biggest concern, wonder if it comes from the one bold mouting or its the pedal in the bracket itself. But overall the first impression is a good impression. It’s really high quality product

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yeah I need to look into the sideways movement a bit more. I never adjust pedals when I get them first as I want to try them the way they came from the factory. So in a few days I’ll see if it’s as simple as tightening a bolt

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

Some people in the Simagic server have tried to fix the sideways wobble and they said it was due to too much space in between the bearing and pedal arm, they were able to get rid of it by adding some very thin washers (it was actually aluminum foil that they added).

[@ringo348tb]

Lawrence, I mounted mine differently- using the black bolts you mounted the pedal faces with to mount the pedals. The black bolts look better holding the pedals down. Also for you cable hiding junkies, you can hide the cables very well by carefully squeezing the cable ends through the slots in the baseplate. It is tight but if you are careful they do go through

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Interesting. I know what you mean. Probably looks a bit better. I tend to use the largest bolt head on the heaviest application

[@reecedegoey2462]

I've got the carbon fibre foot plate and it helps with foot position alot and I also have the brake springs mounted vertically, makes it heaps easy to swap out springs if I want to.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

I need to try that too. Probably makes sense for my adjustments. Yeah apparently simwear.eu is sending me a carbon foot plate and the longer pedal too. So we'll see how that all goes!

[@reecedegoey2462]

@@LaurenceDusoswa I played around with the springs a bit, ran blue on bottom with red on top, ran yellow on bottom with green on top but have resorted back to default springs, blue on bottom did feel pretty good.

[@prodentpdrneilmcconnon4428]

Brilliant man. Cheers. Haven't bought proper pedals yet, glad I didn't. I be doing my recherch first 👍🏻🍻

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

yeah research is vital. Pretty much all of these pedal sets in this range will blow your mind if you are coming from a mid range set. But it's a lot of money so knowing what you want and what each pedal set provides is important.

[@Kevin_Vanit]

Looks really good, as a M10 owner I was hyped for this but rapidly turned off when I saw a video where the reviewer noticed a flex on the brake pedal (very similar to the one on T-LCM pedals)

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Where was the flex? I’m not familiar with the T-LCMs. As in, I’ve never had them on my rig. You mean the side to side movement? That may be adjustable. For my first impressions, I always run stuff as I got it. It’s a good quality control indicator. I will be doing a full review in the coming weeks which will address any solutions or persisting issues. This is not a review.

[@PandesalDrift]

Nice video..can’t wait for the review..I’m debating on these or simforge..though I’m curious how hydraulics feel

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Hydraulics are nice. Whether they make you quicker, I don’t know yet

[@lap1068]

Awesome. Love it. Excited to get my hands on some as well

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

You'll like em mate. I did a good stint last night and felt very comfortable with them

[@nyftn]

just seen the shifter today . for the bundle i'm trying to make . i can get everything for 2000 euro . i only need a 70mm QR. i already have a wheel. compared to V3 pedals and DD2 base or simucube pro and heusinkveld pedals . i'd have hydraulic pedals and a shifter for the same price . i'm going to go test them next year

[@SpartanRacing]

He Laurence, what damper setting do you have on your throttle, 6 is really stiff in mine and 5-1 is just really weak. I am finding that 6-5 is a radical difference, what are your thoughts. Cheers

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

i use 4 but ensure that you put your pedal arm to the bottom hole! sorry for the late reply!

[@OhItsThat]

Hmmm. I’m looking to replace my HPP JBVs. These look good, kinda like the HPPs in some ways. I like hydraulic but I also like a closed system like the HPPs. I’m wondering about the Aseteks, I like what I hear and what I see. I only wish they could be mounted separate.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

That's a good point about the invicta being mounted together. I don't have experience with the HPP pedals unfortunately, so can't give any advice :)

[@RicardoSantos-xy1or]

Hi Lawrence, Noticed that you are using a rcc bucket seat? What do you think about it? By the way, once you already tested asetek wheels, what do you advice to choose between asetek or simagic? Keep up the good work 💪

[@optimumflow1]

Can we buy the throttle on its own? Look fairly good overall but I don't like the control box and the connectors it uses. Not on the same level as the rest of it, a bit antiquated. Not sure I would go hydraulic for sim racing but if I did this looks like a nice compact option. I'm yet to have tried a clutch I like. Even the flippy ones you describe don't feel very race car to me... RaceGear was metal on metal too until I 3D printed a buffer for it. Sometimes I wonder if the guys that design Sim clutches have ever driven a car...

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Hahaha yeah I bet they have, but simulating a clutch is incredible complex, especially if you want an adjustable bite point. Also, a clutch which is 70% like real life is ‘good enough’ for sim racing I think

[@PiranhaZ06]

I would like a clutch spring that is stronger than the stiffest one provided. Does anyone have a source for one that might fit/work?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

I haven't seen anyone do this, no :(

[@SergejGrabun]

They look really good

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

They drive very well for open wheelers anyways. I'm still getting used to the clutch

[@KuSQ3N]

Looks amazing but only two screws for each paddel?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yep! We’ll see how it goes but so far, the bit that bolts to the base plate is solid. There’s just that little bit of left and right flex in the pedals themselves

[@torbinzix1]

Hey Laurence, It seems that with short travel of the Invicta there doesn't seem to be much point of hydro... In fact any race rep brake to that fact. But does this simagic allow for travel adjustment with the brake pedal to simulate road brakes and almost zero for race brakes? Or is travel similar to Invicta? Is there any brake that is able to simulate this travel feature?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

You have a far greater range of adjustment with the Simagic pedals. I actually did a p2000 vs invicta video recently

[@torbinzix1]

@@LaurenceDusoswa Appreciate the response, I've watched quite a few of your videos, so I went to search for your review and it showed I'd hadn't finished watching..🤦🏾‍♂️ I was looking to go for the Invicta because of the weight or lack of it compared to the competition. I looking to run a motion rig so I'm doing a bit of weight watching 😅 One more thing, is the a large weight difference between the sets? Liked👍🏾 And keep up the good work

[@369darkknight]

Do you think that I would be able to place it on a wheel stand (GT Omega)? Some high-end pedals do not suggest placing them on stands?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

honestly, you would be able to mount it but you'd have to run a light pedal. I wouldn't recommend it

[@369darkknight]

@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanks LD. I will wait until I get a full Sim rig than.

[@IvebenKruzen]

"Tanks" LD for an other great video.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Hahaha cheers ❤️

[@TheOMGWTFBBQ777]

thats better than the brake pedal on my car

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

hahaha probably more expensive than the brake on some cars too :p

[@xanderinc.7322]

I'm torn between the Sprints and these, what would you recommend?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

It’s a bit early for me to tell. The feel of these is really good but sprints have proven their reliability long term as well as having excellent software.

[@matthewbarkhouse7342]

@@LaurenceDusoswa I only race a few hours a week so overall consistency and accuracy is what I'm going for.

[@matthewbarkhouse7342]

@@LaurenceDusoswa Yea its looking lie the sprints will be the way to go, others are saying the feel is pretty close, and the sprints a proven and reliable. I just want the most accurate and consistent as I only average a few hours a weeks at best.

[@yee3859]

@@LaurenceDusoswa im in a special case where i live in china and the p2000 and the sprints doesnt have much of a price difference, but if i want to get the sprints i will have to be getting it from gperformance. in this case is it still worth it to go for the sprints over the p2000?

[@frankd.b.9233]

They are narrow connections like [ brake and platform ] and 2 bolts to attach, does not seem very stable to me

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

That narrow connection seems to be pretty ok. There’s no play there. It’s in the pedal arms themselves where there’s an issue

[@marcusss.carsss5096]

Hey Laurence who did you email or receive the email from about receiving these pedals for review etc. just wondering as I’m interested in the simagic ecosystem and would love to promote them .

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

I’m not sure, I don’t think so but I get a lot of emails looking for contacts. I’m afraid that’s not my job :p I don’t share contact info.

[@gothicvampire0911]

Hmmm I've been looking at these or the sprints🤔

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

That’s a tough one. My first impressions of these are better than my first impressions of the sprints. But longer term I’ll have to see which I prefer. I have only got about 2 hours of driving done with these Simagic pedals so far :)

[@gothicvampire0911]

@@LaurenceDusoswa have you had a chance at the software?

[@SIMRIG412]

@@gothicvampire0911 the HE sprint pedals are amazing pedals. I went from fanatec v3 to sprints. Definitely recommend them.

[@gothicvampire0911]

@@SIMRIG412 I have the v3s and that's the upgrade I'm looking at but I heard the simagic pedals are gd aswell

[@PrezziePrez]

How on earth can us normal thrustmaster users ever keep up with this quality kit. 😢

[@youngyingyang]

What is the sim being played?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

That's Assetto Corsa with the Formula Agile mod at Donington Park

[@Polymer]

The only question left: 100kg or 200kg....hmmm?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

For me personally, it’s too early to tell. I need to play with the springs. The 100kg works great but I can hit the max load pretty easily still

[@BongoBaggins]

Boxes go straight in the bin. I'm not a maniac

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Hahaha I like a nice box…

[@Kmaaq]

Which game is that?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

The sim is Assetto Corsa

[@PlayJasch]

CubeControls is a big joke when it comes to there buttons they rattle, on a 1.5k rim that's unacceptable. My GT-X does the same

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

interesting. I've not had rattle issues, but the buttons could be better for sure.

[@PlayJasch]

@@LaurenceDusoswa Are you sure? Play from 25:14 something is rattling when you go over the curbs, that´s why i mentioned it xD Otherwise I sound like a guy randomly hating about something haha. nice pedals tho.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

​@@PlayJasch hahaha you might be right! I hadn't noticed because I usually have my headset on. It could be something else that's rattling but it really does sound like the steering wheel