RTX 4090 vs RTX 3090 | VR Performance Comparison | Tested in Microsoft Flight Simulator

Is this the VR performance you've been waiting for? How well does the RTX 4090 perform in VR in one of the most demanding titles, Microsoft Flight Simulator. Comparison to the RTX 3090!
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[@SimHangerFS]

If your unsure if the 4090 is for you, then hopefully this video may help. Thanks for watching 😀

[@zillaflightsimmer4937]

Why u never did a video , Put all in ultra at klax and full Traffic and pmdg or fenix in a airport. Please do that video snd let us see if dlss3 holds up . Looking forward to see that

[@SimHangerFS]

@@zillaflightsimmer4937 DLSS3 is not vr compatible

[@nigaudlotovrbenchmarkandvi313]

Hi, i'am not a flight simmer but I do have a 4090 and a reverb g2 and I do not understand why some g1 or g2 users prefers playing at 90 hz with less than 60 fps instead of playing at 60 hz and 60 fps smooth in most of the vr games ? Do you see the 60 hz flickering ?

[@SimHangerFS]

@@nigaudlotovrbenchmarkandvi313 yes I tend to get the 60Hz flickering.

[@nigaudlotovrbenchmarkandvi313]

@@SimHangerFS Maybe you can try this ( the only time I understood what people could see from that flickering screen at 60 hz it was when the câble was damaged at the nearest part from the display port ( the one on the headset) it was stripped. I bought some waterproof kitchen tape to repair the cable and it stopped.

[@get_outdoors]

Already on DX12 Quality, Hags ON with the most recent build of Windows 11, very happy with performance in SU10 with my 12900 + rtx3080ti, G2, expecting a little more optimisation with SU11. Happy days for VR pilots 👍. Great video.

[@jadamsnz]

Really interesting video. I was particularly interested in the slight drop in fps in DX12 vs DX11. I'm one of those rarer users who has an AMD card and it's the opposite for me with DX12 being higher in fps and smoother, as you noted, as well. Also, the latest game update improved my fps noticeably. I'm looking forward to what FSR can do for me when it's introduced.

[@701Builder]

Thanks for all the hard work on this. The video editing, narration, information provided are superb! I’ve upgraded to the MSI 4090 and 13900k, 64GB 6000mhz gSkill 4 16gb. I’m using Reverb G2 and seeing 82+ fps over NYC with samscene, rkbridges and Grumman Hellcat.Sim update 10, DLSS quality all settings ultra. Silky smooth, I could stay in VR all day without feeling eye strain.

[@johnnyalbrecht41]

Whats your mb ?

[@701Builder]

Asus ROG Maximus Hero Z790

[@johnnyalbrecht41]

@@701Builder nice i have 5950x and dark Hero MB is upgrade special for vr performance?

[@AKTechIT]

@@johnnyalbrecht41 I've got same setup as you, keep everything

[@johnnyalbrecht41]

@@AKTechIT to late damnet just installing my new pc ans wanne sel my myn before systeem

[@ZeroG004]

10:15 - fun fact, the game volume is muted here, what you're actually hearing is the GPU

[@SimHangerFS]

🤣

[@Rolfus9922]

Great video! It's the first one I've seen from you, but I've subscribed, hoping for more VR performance vids like this!

[@kingjamez80]

I know this took a lot of effort to make. Thank you. I don’t care about any games performance except for MSFS and DCS and this data really helped me make the decision to upgrade from my 3090.

[@pointbrake3183]

bo way u upgraded from a 3090

[@pointbrake3183]

no way

[@kingjamez80]

@@pointbrake3183 what’s that supposed to mean? I’m getting 30-40% improvement with the 4090 over my old 3090.

[@jasonknights9640]

dunno if its just me but your kinda like the david attenbrough of vr flight sim such a distintive warm voice to listen to

[@davidsaavedra2411]

Thanks for doing this video, really helps me to decide my next GPU purchase

[@paulsheather7657]

Hi there. I just upgraded to the 4090 a few days ago and I have done one or two flights with it and i feel it's worth every cent. i do mostly short flights in GA aircraft. did my first flight all setting in ultra with a pimax 8kx in a default taildragger in the rain and heavy cloud with high FOV and was amazed that it even worked. I will be bringing these settings back to smooth it out. So if you have the money to spend on one of these cards I would recommend you do it. Also a big thanks to Simhanger for all the research you do that helps us simnerds.

[@briank3754]

Thanks again, great content. I finally got a 4090 on order and can’t wait to see the results for myself.

[@zzzzzzz1zzzzzzzzzz1z]

Great analysis, and exceptionally clear voice and pronunciation, as a foreigner i welcome that. thanks!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

A really intriguing and in depth comparison Mark thankyou. I enjoyed watching this on the plane on the way back from Finland the other day :)

[@SimHangerFS]

Thanks, by the way you smashed the live stream, fantastic and useful!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

@@SimHangerFS Thanks so much! I was nervous as hell beforehand 👀

[@fred2108]

Thanks for your great videos, I took the plunge and got a 4090 pleased I did made the game much more immersive😊

[@andyvanderbeken3729]

very well done. Correct technical analysis ! I would like to suggest one thing for future videos. Next to your current stat windows add the MSI afterburner window continuous GPU usage graph. This will allow us to see exactly whenever the cpu is bottlenecking and the gpu takes a breather. The fps VR stat window could also help with on-the-spot gpu usage readings.

[@benni1015]

It is quite mindboggeling how powerful your PC has to be in order to run the resolutions necessary for VR sims. Unfortunatly this also makes sense as this game is even without VR a demanding title and having to render 2x a native resolution of 2160x2160 is in itself incredibly demanding(and that is not even considering that you need more than that to get the clearest picture. For me this makes hope though as the upcoming generations of GPUs will only get more powerful and with that we come quite a lot closer to the VR Dream i guess.

[@sonic-th966]

It should be mentioned that you need to set the resolution above 3000x3000 for the reverb g2 and most other vr headsets to get the full out of the display. With aspharical vr lenses you can go with the native display resolution.

[@parkersgarage4216]

i wonder how a 13900k and a 3090ti would do in this compared to your setup. great vid and comparison though. thanks for taking the time for and making this video.

[@mike605]

thank you Mark for spending so much time in making a great video...wow I hand it to ya.

[@mikecoffee100]

Thank You Professor SimHanger for an informative and educational video

[@StewCal65]

Haven’t tried vr yet but I’m tempted.

[@paulphibbs7162]

Thanks for your feedback on the 4090. I have a similar PC to you, with an ASUS Extreme OC 3080 card. I’m retired and don’t want to simply chase the latest and greatest GPU that comes out. I like the experience I get in my sim using higher settings than you typically use. Maybe in a few years I can consider an upgrade. Currently the card you have is available in Australia for $3,700. Just can’t justify this upgrade at present. With the constant performance improvements that are coming out, I think I’ll ride the improvement wave for a while.

[@SimHangerFS]

If your getting a good performance, why upgrade 👍

[@breytac]

It's insane how much us Aussies pay for computer parts. Granted I think they've come down to a reasonable price, but still. I'd love a 4000 series, but at over $3k, I'll pass for now.

[@4secsharkmr352]

Excellent comparison. Thank you Mark and take care.

[@hul8376]

Nice test, thanks!

[@Huddison]

Wow what a difference - very impressive 👍

[@briancrawley8440]

Thank you for a brilliant video. I am excited for my new build coming next week. With the latest I9 and a 4090. Love your videos.

[@SimHangerFS]

Thanks Brian. You’ll love the 4090 .

[@poolhallshark]

Great video, Mark! You're the first one I see that has done this direct comparison. It was most interesting to see. I have just upgraded my system and I now have a MSI RTX 3090 Gaming X card, and I will soon install an AMD Ryzen 9 7900X cpu and 32 GB 6000MHz memory. All mounted on a state of the art MoB, the ASRock X670E PRO RS. Hopefully, the fast Cpu and the fast memory will make the 3090 perform really great. I am dead curious. I previously had a 3070 OC card, paired with an i7-10700k and 32 GB 3600Mhz memory, so the uplift should be significant 🙂 Thanks again, Mark, for your great work and dedication. You are the best! Much love from Norway ♥♥♥♥♥

[@SimHangerFS]

Thanks, I would be interested in how the 7900x affects performance….I hear good things about this one.

[@poolhallshark]

@@SimHangerFS Yes, me too. The 7900X was a deliberate choice for the sim, over the 7950 for instance. I will let you know after I've built it and tested it. Have a great day👍

[@SparkySven]

Thanks the the first good VR comparison in the last gen and current gen RTX 4090. It's difference between stutters & no stutters. I can't wait to see what AMD RDNA3 will bring with their top GPU RX 7900 XTX with also 24GB VRAM and more speed (what the leaks say) then the RTX 4090. And if the price is lower than the RTX 4090 I know what my next GPU will be. :-) Don't forget to watch Steve VR Flight Sim Guy at Varjo event tomorrow the 27th. :-) Great VR times we live in.

[@robertpomerleau5749]

Simply a great and professional video… Mark, your clarity in speaking and cadence makes for a 17 minute video seem 2 minutes . Enthusiast Card! Got that right, I guess the 4090 mainly offers brut force to fps and not much concerning visuals.

[@kevinblythe2192]

The 4090 is awesome but the pricing is too much for me unfortunately. Video cards used for data mining over the past few years have put them increasingly out of reach for many but hopefully prices will fall due to a weakening in demand for crypto currency calculations in general. Thanks for a great update.

[@vedantdesai1]

The 4090 is a $100 more than the launch price of a 3090. Give it a year or two and prices will hit $1000 and under

[@mellhurstg4148]

Mining isn’t much of an issue anymore after Ethereum hard fork

[@Niersteentje]

@@vedantdesai1 By that time there will be another GPU flagship, which will make RTX4090 owners feel like they're missing out, and the process repeats :) The pursuit of happiness is permanent.

[@TJ-bx5px]

Ehh. Get rx9700xtx its same as 4090 whit RST3 UPDATE.. 1000USD

[@walley2637]

@@vedantdesai1 well, it's been a year and when i shop for 4090s they are still over $2000!

[@davidh7280]

Spot on review! You mention the extra hardware that impacts smooth render as well as CPU power. RAM speed being but one. I have an older XPS system and note the newer ones with 4090's are £4000+! The GPU latency seems to be the figure to watch. With CPU only running one thread, no wonder the GPU causes bottlenecks? Anyway, thanks for the heads up.

[@jesusfreak7777]

Thank you. You make the best Microsoft Flight simulator videos in the world. Bravo!

[@bryjb10]

Great Videos! Keep them coming sir

[@miamisburgcricket2166]

with same settings you have i get 35-42 fps in airports and up to 55-60fps above 2000 feet with my 3080ti i7-10700K Processor 32GB ram HP reverb G2

[@Tom--Ace]

Thankyou so much for your video!

[@Verbal_DEU]

Thx for the video! You didnt change anything except the ingame settings and the openrx developement and nvidia right?

[@SimHangerFS]

Right

[@rlwings]

I tried a basic MSI 4090 model in VR and only received a small increase in smoothness in games other than MFS, but the graphics had higher fidelity and sharpness. The 4090 definitely renders a bit better (than my previous AMD RX6900XT card) but the performance increase (I think motion smoothness trumps fidelity in VR) could not justify $2,400 after tax here in Toronto Canada... Returned it. P.S. It is possible that my Quest 2 over Virtual Desktop was limiting what could be processed (and seen) - Perhaps the upcoming Quest 3 will have double the processing power of the Quest 2 allowing the user to 'see' all that the 4090 is trying to send over Virtual Desktop to the Quest.

[@SimHangerFS]

Yes, and potentially VD, dependent on your settings.

[@photoeducationbydaniel]

To be honest one gets ultra smooth performance when limiting FPS to 30fps. The benefit is smoother motion (Not microstutters as I can see from your video) at 30 fps. 2) Much less strain on hardware (We can see that 60fps and more creates an issue where hardware warms up over time and the sim starts to slow down) 3) You dont need to run out and spend fortunes on GPUS like the 4090. I'd even be confident to get the 3090ti over the 4090 because it's cheap, I dont have to change my tower to accomodate a huge card and I dont need to worry about cables catching fire

[@SimHangerFS]

Fair comment, just be cautious about the size of the 3090ti….it is a massive card also.

[@sodapopinksi667]

I wish 30 fps didn't make me motion sick in VR. I have to keep my head still to alleviate that, but then what's the point

[@Partingarting]

Great vid! Having only invested in a 3080 and upgraded CPU in the last few months has already made a remarkable difference. What’s interesting is the new setting DLAA which I’ve tested and has also been good in VR - so interested to hear your views on that. Also the difference between TAA which in my opinion offers the most clarity. Do you not find DLSS causes slight blurring?

[@JanStrojil]

What CPU did you upgrade from and to?

[@guillaume_69]

Another superb video, thank you Mark! I too hope the reduced blurriness in the instruments is a result of su11. I wonder if anyone could confirm? Cheers!

[@zoe..d]

If you are using DLSS, that's the reasons for the instrument blurring. It's a known issue that hasn't yet been addressed/fixed. Switch back to standard anti aliasing modes and you will see the readability improve immediately

[@guillaume_69]

@@zoe..d thanks for the reply, yes indeed I had switched back a while ago to TAA because of this. Per Mark's comment towards the end, it seems to indicate that the blurriness was gone even though he was using DLSS, so I'm curious as to why.

[@zoe..d]

@@guillaume_69 then SIM Update 11 beta must be testing a fix for it :)

[@guillaume_69]

@@zoe..d I hope so 😁

[@thiagets]

You are a legend, sir!

[@MikeHotel29]

Thank you so much for testing and sharing! I am surprised to see the low consumption of video memory (for VR)! ...or should we multiply by 2 the figure that appears?

[@SimHangerFS]

No the figures shown are accurate, no need to multiply. Limited by the cpu bottleneck.

[@MikeHotel29]

Thanks!

[@pilotguy1597]

Thank you for the video. I currently have a 3090 and looking to upgrade after the dust settles on the 4090. I am also keeping an eye on AMD as a possible option.

[@davewills6121]

Currently have a 3090 but not rushing to upgrade like i did with the 3000 series. Amd might come through with some decent products, yet they always seem to fall short on stock, price and features.

[@GarrisIiari]

@@davewills6121 Not rushing to upgrade either (not on VR). I've got a 3080 and usually lock my FPS to 40 on max quality and only on landing and at some payware airports do I ever dip below that, which other videos have shown is CPU limited, not GPU. I've seen videos where people are at 120 FPS at cruise or flying around, but on landing are still at 38 FPS. I'm not sure what a 4090 would give me. Also waiting to hear on AMD as well (and agree that they always tend to fall short on something...).

[@jordiburnat4830]

Hi i am Papet the 11 year old child,im sorry i couldnt be in youre discord events. I just didnt have any time because it was really hard because it was sunday when you did the events. Love youre videos

[@nathantw]

I found that dlss quality doesn’t really tax the GPU. It’s when you put DLSS into Ultra Performance is when the GPU is really used.

[@SimHangerFS]

Yes because it is upscaling from a very low resolution. Visuals are less well defined.

[@NEO_RKX]

That 4090 looks good, would of got one but there is just something about those EVGA gpus ya know the ftw3 ultra’s ❤🥰🥰 I’ll get a 50 series eventually

[@norfolknwhey4787]

Looks like waiting for the 50XX series cards is worth it. I’m waiting until we see 80-90fps steady on high quality settings.

[@martinhsl68hw]

Astonishing! But what happened at Meigs Field? :)

[@SimHangerFS]

That will be for my best settings guide for the 4090. 👍

[@pieropinna7342]

beautiful video and very clear in the explanation, it's just what I was looking for to solve my problem, I'm waiting for the vr oculus quest2, I would also like to change the video card with the 3080TI oc, i7 8700k 4.70 ghz processor, I mainly use x-plane , I would ask; is this configuration ok to use the fluid simulator with a good frame rate?? or is the 4080 worth it in terms of performance and cost?? I exclude the 4090 because it seems to me from the differences that it is too expensive anyway. thank you, greetings from Sardinia, Italy

[@SimHangerFS]

3080ti is a good card. 4080 even better.

[@Coastingonlife]

RJTT is more dense the KJFK? Great video man .

[@SimHangerFS]

No not more dense, but this airport appears poorly optimised and whacks fps on approach more than it does on approach to KJFK and EGLL.

[@thraxas79]

The most microstutters could be solved by undervolting, so I did at my 3080 12gb. Mostly it now runs very smooth at any VR Game ;) without undervolting I had a lot of them specialy at Starwars Squadrons ^^

[@jimmy8x541]

could you explain a bit more on how? when i had my 3080 running undervolted in msfs (not in vr) performance was very bad

[@thraxas79]

@@jimmy8x541 I used MSI Afterburner and limited the stock frequency to 950mv … no OC! That results in less power consumption, lower Temps also less spikes and throtting of the frequency and so there are almost no microstutters anymore. And overall with the same score on Timespy. I also didn‘t run at Ultra details I use high at 1440p Ultrawide or VR even a bit lower. Running a Sim isn‘t possible without some kind of compromise.

[@jimmy8x541]

@@thraxas79 thanks frank i'll give it a try!

[@WorldHayes-VR]

Thanks

[@JohnVanderbeck]

It is insane to me that DX12 is still performing sub-par to DX11 all these years later, and even from Microsoft themselves!

[@briank3754]

I think the blurry was went away with the last Nvidia driver update.

[@gwiz6814]

Thanks for another great informative video. All that I can say is VARJO AERO 39 PPD Almost all maxed out with no stuttering is almost to amazing to describe. The RTX4090 is great

[@SimHangerFS]

Wow…👍

[@ethyr]

for that setup price, you could almost buy your own plane to fly lol

[@MR_1989]

Excellent video. You missed the explanation of why HAGS on with the 4090???

[@SimHangerFS]

I seemed to get less stutters, plus it is recommended by Nvidia for DLSS. My 3090 was smoother with hags off. Jury is still out on this though.

[@jacobwiqvist1760]

When will you test Varjo Aero?

[@damonm3]

This game needs DLSS 3. And the driver just came out today! Yay!!

[@primoroy]

I can only wish and add it to my Santa dream list! 😜

[@UTubeSL]

That's an immensely helpful video! The 4090 is in stock right now for £2000... while impressive the increase in performance isn't compelling for me. Thanks for the great upload!

[@jarrodclyne707]

Excellent. Definitely makes me want to get a 4090

[@DJeb86]

Sadly there is no 120 hz, in this case you could lock the gpu on 60 fps, and use asynchronous setting to double the refresh rate, i use it on q2, it works fine and solid, really fluid …

[@JamieP_77]

Hi, I have a q2 and the 4090 perf is worse than my previous 2080 even with ASW. Do you run Win 10 or 11? Thanks

[@shawtdusanshawt]

@@JamieP_77 you dont have DP connection

[@JamieP_77]

@@shawtdusanshawt Hi, no Q2 with link cable so compresses and sends over usb c then uncompresses. Going to roll back latest Win 11 updates as it’s become unplayable. RTX 2080 had pretty smooth performance with reasonably high settings, some were ultra and debug tool set to use ASW and force 45, also 0.6 0.6 set too.

[@phoenixyt124]

the 30 fps would already make me motion sick

[@skyhigh776]

Sadly I can't use DLSS in DX12 simply because of the dreadful graphics of the instruments in the PMDG737 (possibly other aircraft too) they become unreadable! Which is a shame, as I experienced a real worthwhile FPS gain. Hopefully this can be sorted.

[@Sidicas]

Thank you!!!

[@einherz]

would be interesting different memory latency/frequency on 13 gen intel or amd 7x. thank you for the video

[@Nikbuchanan]

Just taken delivery of A new PC i9 13900K,ASUS 4090 and 32GB DDR5 memory, can not wait for su11

[@Updukat]

Is VR + DLSS3 with frame generation a thing for the future or is it some limit how the technique works which makes it impossible?

[@SimHangerFS]

Not known really, but the method of inserting synthetic frames has been a common process in VR. Often referred to as re projection.

[@gregprouse1173]

What’s the difference would you say in visuals from the 4070 and 4090 ?? Thanks for your video

[@SimHangerFS]

Boils down to fps. With 4090 you can turn up the settings to get more detail & clarity,

[@gregprouse1173]

@@SimHangerFS That makes perfect sense. Considering the increase in fps are the visual a massive difference would you say or not so much? I’m trying to understand or find how the difference would like like in vr. Considering I have a very aero and pico 4.

[@intetx]

I would love to see a 4090 vs 7950xt comparison in vr when they release soon. You think you could loan one somewhere for testing? Almost noone else seems to do vr benchmarks.

[@SimHangerFS]

Would love to, but beyond my pocket….🤣

[@lucianomicale1099]

Hi, did you try 60hz?!? It is going to stress less gpu so should be stable and much more smooth. Pls tell me what did you find

[@SimHangerFS]

I find the 60Hz mode flickers and is uncomfortable.

[@Flight231]

My 2070 RTX is superb. No need fior silly priced cards....Your going daft!

[@MD-hd1cp]

Have you done a vlog for beginner/intermediate helicopter simulation? Please advise. Thanks in advance.

[@SimHangerFS]

No I haven’t, good idea though.

[@Shadow__133]

DLSS on my 3080 sucks! Displays are blurry and no gains in fps. Not sure why use it at this point. I guess i'll see if update 11 indeed will improve it. Between the gpu I was mostly impressed by the lower latency on 4090, almost half!

[@petrolfever]

You should try an X3D chip ;)

[@claybomb1064]

👍👍thanks

[@Klaas_H]

Any temperature differences between the 3090 and 4090? I needed to add a front and back water block to my RTX 3090. Just wondering whether I need to do the same when I purchase the 4090.

[@Cptraktorn]

my 4090 runs around 60-65 degrees under 100% load.

[@SimHangerFS]

My temp is between 60 and 75…same as 3090, but with more heat sinks. Not sure a waterblock is needed.

[@COOLRADIUM]

What windows OS are you using? 10 or 11.

[@SimHangerFS]

Win 10

[@misoswan1087]

thx man :)

[@AndyCYXU]

as always amazing video from a real pro no nonsense guy, thanks for your time, now go buy 13900 see if that helps :D over 10900, I am still on 10850 with 4090 and get pretty much same results as you very happy with the 4090, wish it was less expensive, but that's another story

[@VNAV_PTH]

You made a good point on not getting the same performance uplift as one would get if also replacing the CPU with a faster one. Now the ultimate test would be to replace the 10900K with a 13900K and record the performance boost resulting from that.

[@mickaelsflow6774]

This. Absolutely this! The CPU uplift needs to be talked about for VR. Even in 4K, the CPU can play a role. But yeah, very much so GPU. But VR? That's a different requirement all together. There is so much to say about this, not enough video testing CPU AND GPU scaling and perf. :(

[@stefanvaneylen9488]

Hi, can I use a aorus geforce rtx ™ 3090 xtreme 24g to play mfs2024?

[@Buddy308]

Mark, the differences in game rates are impressive, but even though they were lower with the 3090, that card always gave perfectly smooth performance, at least to my eye on KZbin. As long as one is getting smooth, stutter-free VR with their current GPU, is there a compelling reason to pay for an expensive new one?

[@SimHangerFS]

No, if your motion is smooth, don't fix what isn't broke!

[@Buddy308]

@@SimHangerFS I wasn't talking about MY performance. What I was wondering about was if you could see stutters in your Reverb G2 that I could NOT see in the KZbin video. You seemed to be recommending the 4090 for VR users, BUT I could not see any flaws at all with your 3090. There is often something lost in converting actual computer performance to youtube video, though, so I'm asking if you perceived problems with the 3090 that you did not see with the 4090.

[@SimHangerFS]

@@Buddy308 there were fewer stutters in the 4090, but the 3090 performed admirably. The benefit to me of the 4090 is to maintain same performance but at higher settings.

[@Buddy308]

@@SimHangerFS THAT's what i was getting at. Sorry for my confusing way of asking.

[@fomami]

Changed 10600k to 13700k+ddr5. Biggest performance jump ever in my case. It's huuuge

[@SimHangerFS]

That’s not helping me resist the urge to upgrade 🤣

[@fomami]

@@SimHangerFS Work extra hours and go for it 🙃

[@alejandromarin8425]

Could you share the name of the benchmark software you used during the comparison? Thanks in advance!

[@SimHangerFS]

In the video I am using the in-sim fps counter available via the developer tab found under general options

[@user-to8eb2lf2p]

I dont understand. Here dx12 dont work with my reverb. The fps drop from 55 to 11. 4070ti

[@davidhorobin1060]

Fascinating as ever - thank you. Could it be that the 4080 will be the best one to have, both from the cost/benefit and power consumption points of view?

[@dtrjones]

13700K too looks like a nice CPU and shouldn't be too hamstrung by MSFS performance either although many are waiting on the Ryzon 7 7800X3D, but I have a feeling that will be expensive!

[@AndyCYXU]

don't worry about power consumption my 4090 take on average 250-300W, runs great on 850W power supply, the power scare you hear is maybe relevant for benchmarks needs nowhere near that much power in MSFS. Also I use about 12-13GB of my 24BG of VRAM so 4080 will have 16BG VRAM that might be enough, so from cost perspective might save $400 going with 4080

[@SimHangerFS]

@@dtrjones I feel the q3700k would be the perfect cpu.

[@SimHangerFS]

@@AndyCYXU agreed, my power draw is the same as yours.

[@Niersteentje]

I don't get it. If my HP G2's framerate drops by even one frame, from 90 to 89fps, the stuttering is almost sickening. How can you cope with 50-ish fps? Note: I'm not a VR flightsimmer. I enjoy VR racing, but I presume there is no difference between flight and race sims, regarding the nausea-inducing effects of anything less than 90fps. Am I missing something here?

[@spatialpro]

At 3:50 you show the VR options and your respective settings. Are the Options the same for you when using the 3090 and 4090? I use a 3090 and don't see the NVIDIA REFLEX LOW LATENCY, so perhaps this is only for 4090? However despite having no AMD hardware I do see AMD FIDELITYFX SHARPENING, which you don't have in your video. Any thoughts on such?

[@SimHangerFS]

I am on SU11 (beta)

[@hobbytechgearID69]

Did you also tried frame generation dlss3 is it helping smoother experience? Which also cannot be measure in game fps ?

[@hobbytechgearID69]

Saw your comment seems not working with VR

[@SimHangerFS]

Not compatible with vr

[@eflaaten]

Thank you! I don't know much about politics, I admit. But at the next US election I'm voting for YOU !

[@nolanblew]

As someone who got a 4090 but also have a 10th gen i7, this video was very helpful. I like to be self-defeating and most of my graphics are high in VR and getting almost the same fps on those settings. My biggest gripes are 1. The g2 (1st gen at least) has horrible tracking and anything less than 60fps gives microstutters with previous frames giving nausea. I prefer my quest 2 for this reason alone 2. VR in MSFS is still pretty unstable. Things like misaligned mouse pointers over your cockpit controls, the rare time a dialog window comes up but full screen on desktop, meaning it covers one eye and there's no way to interact with it without closing the sim, when the g2 sleeps and then wakes, flight sim won't display anything on the screen, and I get a CTD about once every 3 flights saying there was an issue with my graphics card driver

[@julianhall2008]

Is there a reason why this program only uses one core? Surely with modern cpu having multiple cores different areas of the sim could be run on separate cores allowing better use of the whole cpu.?

[@SimHangerFS]

Programming….! Shame really.

[@ronkramer3476]

I was intrigued your statment Not FPS but how it feels). I have a question. I ran FS on 3070 (slow i9) around 35fps avg. I upgraded and on same machine went to a 3080ti. And I got around 70fps avg. It was better but still I saw some jump between frames. Wanting more I got a 4090 and new machine with a FASTER than the i9 - 12700. FS said 35-45 FPS. SLOWER than the 3080ti, BUT IT WAS CLEARLY SMOOTHER as in 90+ FPS. Dev mode in FS said 35-45. Why is this? Why is FPS LOWER but it was clearly 90+ and very smooth. The FPS counter was red. (under 60). I called up other FPS counter and they are double the FS2020 counter. (why is because I'm using DLSS3 and frame gen) they all show double what the FS2020 counter shows which is normal. Still even with DLSS3 and 4090 the double count was not much over the 3080ti... yet it was TOTALLY SMOOTHER without question? Could this be due to more lag between frames on the slower cards? I'm curious. So - wanting more I updated the 12700 to a 14900. At first I saw no change. DISAPOINTED in spending the 550. Then it hit me to look and call up msconfig and check processors used. I had it set for the 12700 and it reverted back to "1" due to the CPU change. I changed it to the max option (32 I think it was) and WOW it blew me away. I had 20-30 fps more (still smooth probably smoother but it's hard to tell differences once smooth is smooth. Fact is that the FS FPS was green and showed 75 fps avg. And the real counter with frame gen (Nvidias) is double that at 150. I'm happy now so it doesn't matter why but I'm curious about why FPS was lower but performance higher with the 4090 initially. Might make a good video subject for you. Thanks for all you do.

[@SimHangerFS]

The sim is single core predominately and the difference your experiencing is not down to GPU, but CPU bottlenecks.

[@737sst]

So MSFS being mainly single threaded, the use of CPU's with countless cores does not make sense, does it? On th other hand, AMD now comes with CPU's with loads of L3 cache, which seems beneficial to FS. Tough call if you want to upgrade.

[@SimHangerFS]

Very valid point and why some of the AMD cards are the best performers.

[@737sst]

@@SimHangerFS That I do not know. I was more referring to the AMD CPU - RTX 4090 combo.

[@shawtdusanshawt]

DLSS doesnt look nice even with Quality setting, TAA is much nicer and then the RTX 3090 vs 4090 is not that big difference, but in the VR every FPS count, question is, is it worth the upgrade.

[@SimHangerFS]

Very true, it’s a personal choice on what price you place on performance. 👍

[@D.Enniss]

Damn, that CPU bottleneck is real, I mean the whole game is chugging because of the RenderThread... They really need to optimize their game further!

[@Dg-zj6jo]

brilliant

[@jamesm568]

Microsoft flight simulator still got a long ways to go when it comes to VR quality.

[@destrocrimson]

Im sure you have covered this but what is name of the overlay for the FPS?

[@SimHangerFS]

MSI Afterburner

[@davidh7280]

2070rtx no difference! Just get latest driver!!!! All depends on September things in sim. Get them right...?