Simply so Weird.. Ft. Courtney Miller || Reddit Stories || Two Hot Takes Podcast

[@HollyMessMac]

I saw the Temu ring story on TikTok, and someone commented that maybe OP’s partner had made some really bad financial decisions and lost all their money, and the sudden/cheap proposal was so he could lock down OP and have access to her money. The fact that he was SO shady about it and is apparently desperate to move on and get married makes me think they were right.

[@Owlsshadow_95]

Holy shit that’s exactly what I thought! Like maybe he’s not really that well off or he’s not making as much as he said

[@Lo0serx3]

that's what was going through my head too, even before she mentioned that she is financially well off without him.

[@kar4244]

This is unfortunately where my brain when too

[@veronica5lmaa]

This makes so much sense. Poor OP

[@momedusa]

immediately I thought he had to have been fired or lost their money. Didn't think about that second part but it's honestly probable and that just creeps me out ...

[@jennifermartin6802]

Hey! I’m a jeweler. The ring on temu is probably something called flash plated which means the gold is very thin and will rub off quickly. As for the moisanites, you can buy them for about $15-$300 for a half carat size-5 carat size. Moisanites are beautiful but they’re very inexpensive, and tend to be sold with a high profit margin. For your ring the bulk of the cost was probably the setting and labor as a good quality gold engagement ring without a stone costs around 1.5K-2K

[@snibbubzik3566]

Thanks for the info!

[@megandenney09]

Thank you! I was saying that whole story that that ring is probably made of tin or brass w the thinnest layer of gold plated over it. It’s gonna last two seconds. There’s no shame in getting a moisanite, but my gosh get real solid gold/silver so it’ll last longer than a gumball ring.

[@Taewills]

OP doesn’t sound unreasonable. If her fiancée would simply communicate that he’s adverse to investing in costly jewelry, even for an engagement ring, then I’m sure they could’ve come up with a satisfactory compromise. But being shifty and deflecting is unearthing a major issue. They def need premarital counseling. They need to discuss finances, children, discipline if they want them, assets/prenup, romance & communication style in excruciating detail bc his behavior isn’t conducive to a healthy relationship.

[@Animezingly]

Can they also just be lying? Temu isn’t exactly the height of ethics 😂

[@5210smile]

Costs vs. Is Worth

[@heatherchesshire]

The 200k a year and $40 engagement ring is kind of an insult though, and his reaction is a major red flag. He knew it wouldn’t go over well if he told her, so he hid it.

[@faeb.9618]

honestly i personally wouldn't even care about my ring being 40 dollars if i like it, what i do care about is the fact that he bought it on fucking temu instead of going to someone reputable or at the very least safe. my own ring was about 400 dollars just because neither my fiance nor me wanted a traditional gold band with rocks (gold jewelry makes my skin crawl for some reason and i am so deeply uncomfortable with it touching my skin, i just don't know why) so we went with someone that makes steel rings with sections in the middle of fossils and precious stone dust that almost looks like a galaxy, i care so much more about the ring being as pretty as it is than about the price and i actually insisted on going even cheaper if possible, i would've even been cool without a ring but my fiance just insisted on wanting to get us these rings for how beautiful they are

[@heatherchesshire]

@@faeb.9618 my husband got me a white gold (looks silver but doesn’t tarnish) and light blue sapphire and it was very simple in design. I have small hands so a smaller, low profile design just works best. I love it. The corners on the sides of the stone are pretty sharp and catch on things and people so it’s not something I wear every day but it’s still my favorite piece and I bring it out on special occasions. My wedding band, however, I bought at JCPenny on sale for $125 and when it was too bent/ damaged to repair, they bought it back from me and I bought a new one with it. It’s the one place I bother to get a protection plan 😂

[@goose237goose]

I love affordability and prefer a cheaper ring but it does feel like an insult to buy a $40 engagement ring. The metal will tarnish. Even for a male wedding ring or engagement ring (which typically cost less) should still be more than that.

[@nikdo0816]

The main for me would not be the price, by all means go for affordability over status symbol, but it is a red flag to me that he bought it from such a questionable site. I have doubts about the quality and safety of materials used to make it, let alone whether the site tells the truth about that. An engagement ring is worn basically daily, so it a constant exposure to who knows what. If he did not know the reputation of the side, then they should discuss it, but he is shutting down any discussion, so I guess he knew...

[@LeilaniTauheed]

​@@faeb.9618It's not really about the price it's about the quality. (I haven't heard the story yet lmao)

[@lamenia]

47:00 This husband is the problem. Touching someone's body and trying to grab their child is a problem. The wife dud nothing wrong.

[@artisseriechicken]

"I had some reservations about *letting her* go out in public while pregnant" what the absolute fuck is wrong with the husband. He doesn't want to "let her go out in public"??? I think the husband needs a crash course on human rights because he does not get to decide if his wife is allowed to go outside

[@versaii5519]

I feel like the punch could’ve been avoided and maybe the shove would’ve been enough but the way the husband was talking about his wife was unacceptable because she was justified and feeling the way she felt

[@neeboy2366]

Punching someone who touches you without consent and tries to grab your kid IS NOT illegal! Wdym??????

[@neeboy2366]

​​@@versaii5519 I do agree the punch probably could've been avoided though, pushing her was enough. The husband is overreacting by a mile though

[@tubblebub]

That husband really pissed me off. He seemed super weak and lame not helping or defending his wife and child, but then he has the audacity to think he can control her so extremely‽ He's a bad man. And I don't mean to say that he should've hit the woman or anything like that. Or that he needs to be the typical alpha male stereotype. Just that he's mentally weak.

[@annap5724]

I work at a rehab. We search then test all patients on arrival. An assessment is the next step in the admission process where they would find she is not a user and her test proves that. They likely wouldn’t accept her as a patient.

[@jessicaash9719]

I'd be concerned about the BF though having some sort of influence because of his background. Would he be the one to recommend the place and if so does he work there? This story sounds like one of the web comics I've come across. The family plotted against the girl because of her inheritance. The whole thing sounds weird. I would have been beyond pissed and would have kicked everyone out. Hope OP ran away from the guy or that story was fake.

[@artaizen1613]

@@jessicaash9719 yeah, oh god that is so scary, and OP gonna feel so helpless. 100% psychopathic behavior

[@heze2819]

@@jessicaash9719 I have trust in the people I’m close with that they would believe me but yeah if it did happen I’m fully leaving everyone behind and moving to another country. I am not above cutting my family out of my life if they do sum cult shit like this.

[@marisakirst4011]

Have you had that happen before?where someone showed up but they clearly weren’t a user?

[@thelittleone1025]

@@jessicaash9719her bf wouldnt have anything to do with her treatment, beyond the traditional role of a family member. These days It would be seen as a conflict of interest and goes against the code of ethics, and it would be really risky for his license.

[@RooHue]

Story 1: He definitely knows what Temu is. She kept asking where it was from and he wouldn't say until she caught him looking at the app. Also Temu is one of those sites that steals images to sell their crappy version of whatever they're posing it as.

[@Ciela531]

100% Plus he immediately left the room/ refused to talk about it when he realized she knew it was from Temu If he didn’t know what Temu was, then I feel like he would’ve expressed confusion over her concern about him getting the ring from Temu

[@nugget3687]

If he doesn't want to answer it means he'd know she'd be upset about it, I think that's all the info you really need lol. It's pretty cut and dry

[@hernameispekka_Rebecca]

@@nugget3687 This. It's not about the ring, it's about the sneaking and lack of consideration. Propose with a ring pop for all I care, just get a rough baseline of what your partner wants (and doesn't want).. Such odd behaviour on his part

[@maggiedk]

I left this in another comment, but their products have also been found to contain dangerous amounts of lead, they use slave labor, and the company is detrimental to the environment. It's one thing to buy an inexpensive engagement ring, it's another (much worse) thing to buy one from Temu.

[@sumananand4233]

​@@maggiedktemu is a just a marketplace. They don't produce anything. Anybody can sell on it which means you'll find both good and bad products and you have to do the due diligence. Don't spread misinformation

[@AfikiJ]

Send an "anonymous tip" to the school that the principal is subscribed to the OF account. Claim to be a parent. Then they'll have to investigate and confirm

[@RealSlowLike]

I'd also like to point out that she asked "do I know you from somewhere?" and then disappeared before coming back to inform OP of the meeting. This means she went to check OF, at the school, to see if it was the right person. What are the rules about accessing that kind of content while on campus?

[@datte-ai]

Jan just had bullshit behaviour, I hope karma gets her.

[@hsmorg3640]

​@@RealSlowLike That's not what happened.. OP said they saw her again, and then it clicked where she's seen him

[@rosakai823]

@@hsmorg3640 at the end of the day- while still on campus, they stated it was the same day that happened to end the in the office where the principal saw them again, i do think she looked him up while there personally lol

[@justascomplicated8182]

Unless their account is like @FirstLastSchoolDistrictPrincipal I don't see how this makes any sense or is within the scope of oversight. Also at-will employment is a thing and idk if there's a state that has anti discrimination based on the occupation of a partner. I'm pretty pro sex work but this is nonsensical lol.

[@daniiiiiiiii9]

Story 3: IM SORRY WHAT. If someone touched me after I clearly said no, and then tried picking up my child, I will be putting my hands on that person. “She overreacted” SHE WAS TOUCHED WITHOUT CONSENT AND GRABBED YOUR CHILD, SIR YOU ARE NOT REACTING AT ALL. That lady could’ve booked it out of that restaurant with the child. Also pointing out creepy people is really just called BEING AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS!!

[@ProsewithRose]

Men are so clueless to the way women are thinking about personal safety at all times. At. All. Times.

[@mariana2916]

Yeah that story was insane, that lady learned that if u F around, u find out

[@blackhawcatholic]

Agreed. It really reminded me of my sister and myself as children. We are both redheads. I am more strawberry-blonde and my sister is more "true" red. People (women, without consent) would touch both of us. Touch our hair and just also shoulders/arms etc... You very quickly learn the difference between an innocent old granny and someone with ill intentions. We also learned to stay close to each other and close to our mother and/or father. You certainly can "clock 'off' people."

[@MAYiHaveMERCY]

also lets talk about the husband (OP). He said he had RESERVATIONS about LETTING his wife go out in public while pregnant. WHAT?????? sounds like something a POS would say.

[@tannahartley2495]

​@MAYiHaveMERCY exactly no one is talking about how he talks about her like she's a dog. Also now she know he won't protect their family that'll ALWAYS have to be on her. I get BAD vibes from him, I mean what would've happened if she wasn't there...

[@jessicaculbreth3234]

For story 4, rehabs probably wouldn't even admit her (let alone get insurance coverage). You have to do an assessment before you can get in (they cannot involuntarily hold you), and if she called and said "hey, my boyfriend has convinced my entire circle of family, friends, and even a coworker that I am an addict, but I've never done drugs before in my life." They would encourage her to also to GET THE F**K OUT. They'd probably connect her with a shelter or other resources for DV, because any good professional (or even rehab admissions person) would be able to see it for what it is: the start of abuse. And the admissions person who did her intake, if they didn't catch it themselves, would have to take the info from OP to the clinical team (the therapists) because it is so bizarre, and they would for sure clock this. I hope OP is okay and made it out.

[@tubblebub]

If the story is real, cuz this one seems particularly off, I wonder if maybe the psychologist bf is doing some psychological experiment. It's one of the only things that makes a modicum of sense aside from isolating her to take complete control of her.

[@alexdavis7577]

my grandma had 3 engagement rings, the first she was 20 and it was all my grandfather could afford, the second came when both their children were young but he was earning decent money, the third was only about 5 years before he passed and was the largest, absolutely stunning and because they’d become much wealthier in later life. she kept all of them and loved each of them dearly, they’re a symbol of the different stages of life they shared. 200k and a $40 ring is wild, doesn’t feel like he really put effort in

[@jadebiteyou]

Story 3 the thing that pisses me off most was when OP said something along the lines of his wife not needing to be in public while pregnant… wtf kind of crazy man crap is this? “Oh no! Crazy, shameful, pregnant woman needs to be hidden away until she’s no longer in an inappropriate state!”🙄🙄🙄 Weird.

[@SoobySays]

Right? I HATE the vibes on this.

[@Caelinus]

It always amazes me how often people self-report in these stories. Even if everything else in the story had been successfully framed in a way that makes the OP look good, that one line would have immediately told me everything I know. The idea that a pregnant woman should not be allowed out is absurd. To give him the absolutely benefit of the doubt, for the sake of argument only, he might have been concerned based on the pandemic and did not want to expose her. That is the only reason I could think of that would not be awful, but even then, that would also mean that *he* should not be going out. It would be a "I was not sure if it was safe for us to be out" vs a "I was not sure about her being out while pregnant" thing. So yeah, this guy is gross.

[@SmthAbout.Money.SmellsLikeLove]

O no! People will think we have sex!

[@aliyahmoosberg1262]

I get this 100% but let’s consider also it was during the pandemic sooooooo that could be why

[@freedomcat]

@@Caelinus he is a Soy boy for not defending his wife and child.

[@ghosty8193]

Story 4: My dad did a similar thing to my mum. He lied to the courts and said she was a drug user in order to get custody of me and my siblings. HE WAS LAUGHED OUT OF COURT. My mum got every test imaginable and they all came back clean (because, yes?? duh?? my mum wasn't doing drugs). I would take him (and honestly, OP's mother) to court to prove she's clean. You can't force someone clean to go to rehab-- they literally will not accept clean people.

[@Mamabear8654]

Right! That's a complete waste of resources to take up a bed in a rehab that someone else actually needs. And of course they won't take you.

[@ivylovesrunning]

Hair dryg test is awful if you are growing really long hair, but it is worth it. This guy is a psycho.

[@chaemochi]

and brother needs his degree revoked immediately because that's so dangerous that he has that much influence over that situation.

[@jbotts1316]

@@chaemochiexactly!! How many patients has he potentially been able to do this to?

[@summerd7534]

That was the first thing I wondered about was if they had any kids together.

[@Jenna-rg5uf]

Story 4: His comment about it not being about drugs, but being about her safety, gives me the feeling that he was confirming she's not a drug addict, but instead, is saying these things to keep her safe from everyone else she knows. Like he's trying to isolate her from them because in his mind, they're a threat. Probably a threat to her dependence on him...

[@internetclown904]

I also am so confused by the family's response. Psychologist or not, how can they believe him so easily? Can they not tell that she is sober??? I feel like that is so easy to tell. I can't believe a whole family can turn so quick like that....

[@hernameispekka_Rebecca]

@@internetclown904 If they've been together for that long, he has likely sown doubt for a long while, as they explained in the post. Also, I would not be surprised if there was a history of family issues since that kind of manipulative person are usually really good at picking out the people who have weakened defences from their upbringing.

[@internetclown904]

@@hernameispekka_Rebecca hm I actually didn't think about that! I guess Im just confused how people can believe so easily. Then again I am the type to be on edge a lot and can't trust the word of people unless I see it for myself.

[@karlagonzalvez4703]

I would record him. I think he will admit it, at least subtlety.

[@S0SHIN]

@@internetclown904I have a feeling that if people really don’t do/know about how drugs can actually effect someone to the point of how they act/look they can prolly be really easily persuaded on stuff like this idk but thru my own bias but you’d definitely be able to see a change in demeanor when it comes to it especially if it was a drug he’s tryna force her to go to rehab with.

[@gracemvs]

Story 7: The grandmas fear is understandable but learning to swim at an early age is one of the most vital skills you can teach a child. It really is a matter of life and death. Accidents always happen but they’re so much more likely if you don’t know basic swimming skills!!!

[@lilvamplaura]

Idgaf if someone is a last minute addition, as a hiker I would never allow anyone I'm hiking with to hang back alone. She could fall and die, get kidnapped, get attacked by an animal etc and if they were Carbo loading why didn't they say something to her to make sure she'll have enough energy?

[@amyfinn7824]

I fully agree!!! And they should have asked her more about her experience and ability! Someone doing crossfit does NOT mean that they have any experience and that they can breeze through a hard trail that takes hours! Also, why weren't they all going through what they were packing?? And with the heat, this is ridiculous!!! She really could have died

[@plutopepsi578]

You ALWAYS go at the pace of your slowest hiking partner! It’s so dangerous to just leave them behind

[@MacsUsername]

Also, why on EARTH were they hiking when it's 100 degrees out?? That's a recipe for disaster. They should have gone at a cooler time of year. Seriously, people (especially hikers) die in Arizona ALL THE TIME because of the heat.

[@jordanmiller6511]

i'm honestly surprised she DIDNT die, she was not nourished and so dehydrated she got sun stroke and collapsed. on top of that she hiked another 13 hours the next day wtf! i'm also surprised the ranger didn't take this more seriously/call for medical attention or rescue, and the people at the lodge have no communication with rangers for this reason. this is why so many people don't make it out of the grand canyon alive

[@yurilover13]

MY FAVORITE GIRLBOSSES TOGETHER 😭😭 i don’t want to ask for too much but an episode with yall and justin and shayne would literally heal me

[@Steveve4123]

Yesssss I feel like Justin needs to be there

[@meganmcgary7543]

YES OMG like all four of them

[@amandariley_]

i think that would heal a lot of us tbh

[@xxcatsagexx]

I KNOW RIGHT!! I am fan girling so hard rn 😍

[@ashleyadkins5190]

I was just thinking the same thing! They are both relationships goals 🥺❤️

[@tyffannief8822]

Girly with the ring needs to use a man's ego against him. Show EVERYONE your BEAUTIFUL ring. Flash it and as excited as possible tell the beautiful story of the engagement and how he **!!got it from temu! Isn't it so cute!!** His ego will f him up with that one.

[@victorywalkingtours8843]

That's hilarious, but she def needs to run

[@Pattycakes538]

If possible she should pretend she doesn't know anything about Temu if people question her about it. Say stuff about how her fiance assured her Temu has great quality and that he spent as much as he loves her on the ring. Just stuff that makes him look like 💩.

[@unstoppabledoris]

That's hilarious but at this point just break up and avoid a larger argument where you are the asshole

[@amandag4618]

@@unstoppabledorissome people need to be humbled even if that means you have to exert a little extra effort. In the grand scheme of things the universe will thank you

[@Pattycakes538]

@@unstoppabledoris TBH, I agree with you, mostly because his tantrums and refusal to communicate make him come off as the kind of guy that loses his shit if he lost public face.

[@Hannah-hm1bh]

In the UK we had a documentary about Temu and how the jewellery on there isnt regulated, so it can contain unsafe levels of metal and additional toxins. OP is not crazy for not wanting a Temu ring, i wouldnt want one either lmao

[@vania.v7350]

That’s what I was thinking about.

[@srkh8966]

Temu engagement ring story-it’s not about the ring but his refusal to discuss it

[@lulapaloozi]

Leaving your friend who clearly isn't as capable as you on a hike is insane. The response when she said "go up with out me" should have been "not an option". A true friend would have walked her back to the car, and adjusted their plans. It is on them for inviting her, so it's on them to keep her safe.

[@vania.v7350]

I agree with you on both leaving her behind, but through didn’t actually invite her. Two weeks before the trip, their friend said she wanted to join them. 1:12:06. Their friend also seemed dismissive about their warnings on the intensity of the hike and her lack of preparedness, but yeah they shouldn’t have left her behind. I believe they should’ve given her a firm no for that current trip and told their friend that the three of them could plan another trip for another time. They shouldn’t have allowed her to join them at all.

[@CaptainThugRdx]

She should not have joined the hike if she was inexperienced..it's on her to do the research, too.

[@bugdrawsportraits]

I hiked with strangers and they didn't want to leave me. I couldn't even see the guy's face (we were climbing a mountain trough the night to see the sunrise) or he mine, and he still wouldn't leave me and stayed back even though it meant he wouldn't be able to get on top on time. I also told him to leave me multiple times. I can't imagine a friend leaving me, or me leaving someone.

[@herokibs]

@@CaptainThugRdx they still let her go WITH them, they were a group you don't abandon people on very dangerous hikes

[@iohss]

Story 2: OP’s boyfriend needs to start his next onlyfans post with “this one’s for Jan!”

[@freedomcat]

OP needed to have a lawyer with her HR is only to protect the company, not the workers.

[@juliettealexander8537]

​@freedomcat this is a private school. Their contracts are written for their benefit and a lawyer can't and won't be of much help. They can and will fire a teacher for just about anything (like reporting a child cheated on test and not taking it back when told how much money mommy and daddy put in the school. Fire the teacher, report gone).

[@freedomcat]

@@juliettealexander8537 a lawyer would help overlook the contract and overlooked the school's policies and point out where the school went wrong in benefit of the teacher

[@AletseTuil]

Even if Jan wasn’t in the right. It’s a private religious school. Show some respect and don’t bring your sex worker boyfriend to one. Better yet, don’t work at a religious school if you don’t believe in their values and then be upset when they ask you not to bring them on school grounds.

[@Bea-ni6vk]

@@AletseTuilbe quiet dork

[@jaynakendell]

Okay now we need Morgan, Justin, Shayne, and Courtney all together

[@benpinkerton6580]

Hard agree great opinion

[@spagetd1526]

YES the ultimate duo

[@summerskull9379]

Like a double date 🥰

[@daniellelbdv]

I never knew how much I needed this until just now omg PLEASE

[@torit4534]

Omg ❤️❤️

[@devfrancis7666]

Please please please on the fake intervention one if you find an update ever, the minute you do, PLEASE put it in whatever episode comes soonest after you find it. I dont think ive ever in my life needed an update more, this story makes me feel so frustrated but also scared for her. Her family make me incredibly angry, and all i can think is this psycho man litterally got his psych degree just to be able to manipulate people better and its working.

[@fk7771]

It scares me that he is preparing to overdose her and he wouldn’t get the blame

[@RIVxo]

I feel you, I’m so worried and I don’t know where she lives but can’t she sue him for defamation? Especially since he got her work involved and she might lose her job, and what makes me more worried is that she has no one to go to. I hope she’s okay

[@laughingcorrpseholly4136]

Right?! This guy is a psychopath she needs to get away from him ASAP he did this to isolate and control her and he had been moving in the shadows for months behind her back it’s so icky and creepy and makes me fear for her life 😢 she should take a drug test right in front of her family and if they still won’t listen to her then f*ck them too because it’s messed up not ONE of them would hear her out or even think for a moment this guy was playing them 😡 I just hope and pray she is okay and gets away from him with or without her family/friends help 😢

[@Barbzz.02]

@@laughingcorrpseholly4136yes I was just about to say this. He’s isolating her for sure !! What’s even worse is that he’s a psychologist…he’d probably even try to play mind games with HER & convince her that she has had issues & just doesn’t remember. He needs to be looked into & his psychology degree needs to be revoked.

[@abbydelone]

@@Barbzz.02oh yea he has all the makings of a serial killer

[@the_catsmeow]

The hiking story is just wild to me. People have literally gone missing and died after separating from their groups in the wilderness. The audacity of not only trying to justify their actions, but also portraying herself and her other friend as experienced hikers, while simultaneously breaking a cardinal rule of hiking is...idk, beyond my comprehension of any common sense whatsoever. It doesn't matter if she said she was OK and to go on without her. Recognize that she was just trying not to be a burden, and stick with her. They should have immediately determined the quickest route to safety and got her out. And shared some of their food and water when it was obvious she didn't have the right things! What shitty "friends."

[@jacoby-flower]

Or or or yhe friend should have listened to them, brought the food and water and prepared herself. Dont tag along to something if you cant handel it espically if your just going to ignore those. They also didnt invite her she invited herself. They are not responsible for her and her terrible choice

[@herokibs]

@@jacoby-flowerOkay that does not mean they get to leave her for dead

[@onlylove93]

Story 6: My mom passed away from breast cancer on 2020. She was diagnosed at the end of August and died in October. Not even 24 hours, my mom's childhood friend was reaching out to me about certain items like she gave to my mom for gifts in the past and how she wanted them back. I was furious at her. My mom literally just died. Her body is not even cold yet let alone buried. It just makes me upset to this day.

[@JW-vd4il]

I'm so sorry you went through that!! I was so much with Morgan and Courtney's indignation on this one. I myself said, "She's not even in the ground yet!" and then Morgan said exact same. Courtney said she's happy with a fridge magnet, ME TOO, sis. When one of my Grandmas died it was my step-Dad's Mom. His whole family has always been lovely to me and I'm close with many of them but still I was hesitant to accept any of her things because I'm a "step-" 🙂. I did end up with some great stuff but only after I made sure none of the other grandchildren wanted any of it. I did do a little better than a fridge magnet 😁 but Hey I love a good fridge magnet, too. 😂 What is wrong with people? I want to send you a casserole even now 😁, I hope you also had enough good people like our Ladies here around you! ❤❤

[@onlylove93]

@@JW-vd4il Thank you for your support. I am very lucky I have a good support system. I didn't want to have to deal with this person who asked for the stuff and her complaining about not getting it so I just sent it with no personal message or anything like that. It was like you got the things you wanted so go away kind of thing. I just choose not to interact with her.

[@JW-vd4il]

@@onlylove93 I'm glad you had good support. But I know how wounding it can be when even only one person is making a bad experience worse. I understand why it still bothers you. We'll exchange casseroles and/or baked goods some day. ❤️😁

[@envymordecai4429]

I was *waiting* for Courtney to bring up “Yeah my husband literally died when he was a toddler.” Only because it’s one of Shayne’s biggest bits on Smosh. Anytime he’s around water he’ll say “Wanna see an impression of me as a baby?” and just lie down face first in the water 💀💀💀💀 I cannot imagine the emotional whiplash his mother experiences every time she sees it.

[@RegicidalQueens]

My partner died when they were a toddler but they're remarkably well preserved for an open burial.

[@hernameispekka_Rebecca]

To be fair, his dad called him "Shayne Bobber" when he grew up so I have a feeling the family deals with stuff through comedy in general

[@envymordecai4429]

@@hernameispekka_Rebecca How is this the first time im hearing about this 💀💀

[@hernameispekka_Rebecca]

@@envymordecai4429 Probably a story from an old Show with no name episode. Most of the lore dumps seem to come from those

[@Shaymundell-ni4qr]

THIS MADE ME LAUGH SOOOOOOO HARD 😭😭😭

[@eileenramirez476]

I HAVE NEVER CLICKED SO FAST OMG!!! First Shayne and then Courtney?! Love it

[@lrkur]

same

[@lydiahovind5513]

ME TOOOI

[@dumpsofyiel]

me toooo

[@MarcelaAnna]

Sameeee

[@edelleaa]

i somehow forgot morgan was on smosh for a moment so i was like WHAAAT court is here?!? not so shocking anymore lol love to see it

[@Gorentaya]

The third story is so triggering tbh. Something similar happened to my cousin when she was a literal baby still in a crib. Her dad was on a walk with her and she was sleeping in the stroller. An old lady comes up, and starts talking to my cousin, pulls up her beanie because it was apparently “too low” for her? When her dad told her off that it wasnt okay for her to touch his daughter like that, this woman… says “the children belongs to everyone” IM SORRY HUUH??? THAT IS SOME HORROR MOVIE LINE WHAT ARE YOU ON

[@pkrbophn]

children are NOT communal whaaaat the actual fuck was she on-

[@estercordeiro4670]

1:17:20 don't really think she's a a*hole, but guys... DON'T. EVER. LEAVE. ANYONE. SEPARATE. FROM. THE. GROUP. ON. A. HIKE. like EVER

[@aff77141]

That's the issue though, at their level of experience none of this should have come to pass

[@Spacekitty666]

13:41 girl, coming from a jeweler, if your finger is turning green from a pure gold ring, it is not real gold. The reason why some rings make your finger turn green is because of the high copper content in the alloy is reacting to the moisture and sweat from your finger.

[@DragonbornMike-ym2er]

Story 4: Immediate drug test, and post the results online with the caption "damn, guess I'm not a very good drug addict 😢", and tag the (now ex) boyfriend along with anyone else still refusing to believe you, do it again the next week. And also reach out to a lawyer since not only has he created provable damages with family relations, but he also got a coworker involved which could easily lead to problems at work. And if the boyfriend has an employer, pass on all the evidence (since he works in psychology).

[@lydiacongdon8135]

Right, she needs to sue for defamation of character

[@soleilrigney3026]

What if he had been putting drugs on hey food or drinks? He had access to medicine in his line of work and access to her food.....

[@DragonbornMike-ym2er]

@@soleilrigney3026 then don't post the results and probably speak to a lawyer about getting the police involved since he's drugging her.

[@sonadowfangirl30869]

OP mentions in a comment that Morgan mentions that she wanted to do a drug test on the spot, but was denied by her family and friends because those "can be faked."

[@spacytracy103]

​@@soleilrigney3026This was my first thought 😮

[@PowWowMom3]

The pregnant lady was so justified. She is a mama bear!!

[@kmrus514]

I agree completely. A stranger invades your personal space and touches you against your will and tries to pick up the child. She could have run off with the child. The husband needs to stand up for her. I would be so angry at him for not defending me.

[@MzJamaicanBeauty12]

Honestly, pregnant or not, walking up and picking my kids up is an absolutely not.

[@KM-kv9yt]

The National Parks organization, as a whole, STRONGLY recommends AGAINST hiking down to the river and back in one day. You should NEVER take someone on that kind of hike without ensuring that they can handle it. You should also pack ENOUGH FOOD AND WATER in case you have to spend the night at the bottom, due to illness or injury. That way, if one person gets caught up, the rest of the group can hang around while they rest or until emergency services arrive. That is not just a run of the mill hike, it is a TREK.

[@HurairaHerbals]

I wholeheartedly agree. To me, these girls are not as experienced as they think they are if they care more about sticking to their "plan" than the safety of another hiker. Honestly, I was mindblown that they actually left her, even if she insisted.

[@darkecoorb2225]

Also to agree and send her back along the way, with not much, that can also be so dangerous on its on for anyone not familiar with the area especially, or with lack of skills

[@hernameispekka_Rebecca]

@@HurairaHerbals Right? I'm not outdoorsy at all, but it seems like a very clear "no one left behind" situation. I feel like it's a similar thing like swimming or festivals or travelling etc. Keep together, if you get split up, have a meeting point. I feel like that's just basic group behaviour!

[@queengoliath]

Thissss. As someone who grew up in a small town in the Washington wilderness, there was SO MUCH instilled in us as kids. You NEVER leave anyone behind, you stick together no matter what. My jaw dropped when they read that they went on without her. I don't care how much a friend insists or feels like they're slowing the others down. Group safety is a must! They're the assholes.

[@mayah853]

I hiked up from the river once and it took ~7 hours. Going down and back in one day is crazy !!

[@non8546]

One aspect of story 4 I didn’t hear discussed is that it’s common for people with toxic upbringings to choose toxic partners. It makes complete sense that her family is going along with him. She chose him as a partner because he’s like her family.

[@jbotts1316]

That’s what I was thinking too. For her family to immediately want to cut her off and dismiss her like that, it would be super unsurprising if she had to go through a toxic upbringing tbh.

[@carlalussini]

Yeah, he picked her because she has naturalized abuse

[@peaselco]

Story 3: the OP needs to touch grass. Some strange woman essentially stalked his family through the restaurant, touched his wife after she explicitly said “no”, and THEN TRIED TO PICK UP THEIR DAUGHTER! He’s as insane as this strange woman, in my opinion. His pregnant wife is more protective of their family than he is. Additionally, people with bad intentions will test your boundaries to see how easy it would be to take your children (or you). She was a creep.

[@BrookeAlesya]

Story 4 is literally a horror movie that’s so mind blowing . I cannot imagine how long this has been going on for the family to believe him over her…

[@k-conn2266]

Story 3: It's called Mama Bear Mode for a reason. Also, what kind of husband are you, OP? A strange woman touched your PREGNANT wife and almost kidnapped your daughter! Why didn't you protect your family? Why were you more concerned with how it made you look?

[@alexoxo3]

fr like she was defending her child, it is legally considered assault for the woman to pick up that child without her or her guardians' consent.

[@tiffmitch702]

Chill omg kidnapp most likely was just playing with her yes its weird and disrespectful to touch peoples children i agree but i always had older lady grandma fall in love with my toddler when im out and about one lady even held my daughter and paid for her toys at the register lol idont like it but the kidnapping a little over done

[@cassiemta]

​@@tiffmitch702people always think it's going to be fine until they lose their child. And this husband is terrible.

[@dfordayo]

@@tiffmitch702honestly, I don’t think kidnapping is that far fetched. For the wife to notice that someone was creepily watching them from far away and then touching her without consent and then tried to pick up her daughter. It could have possibly been trafficking for all we know.

[@anoushkathakur8695]

also his wording after of “LETTING her go in public while pregnant” is soooooo icky to me wtf do you mean letting her

[@tonii_who]

45:58 your wife did not know the woman’s intentions. The fact that your wife noticed there was something off with the woman from the beginning and then possibly the worst possible situation happened, she invaded your wife’s and daughter’s space by touching her belly after being told not to, and attempting to pick up your daughter WITHOUT PERMISSION. What if the woman was going to take off with your daughter? Your wife acted in self defense and was protecting her child since you just sat there and watched it happen without saying anything.

[@popstar2011ify]

I really think it was a double standard. I think the OP didn't care because it was a woman and he doesn't think it's a threat. I think he would have freaked out if it was a man.

[@camdenhall478]

Definitely my favorite THT guest, the vibes in this episode were immaculate 🤌 Please bring Courtney back again sometime!

[@thatdrummerdude3848]

Lmao the koolaid man going “OH No!!” Instead of “OHH YEAHH” 18:30

[@SmurfSteffi]

Story 3: Not only was the stranger concerning for ignoring OP's wife telling her not to touch her belly, but a huge red flag is: who the hell will continue to pick up the child after the mother pushed you off? Any rational person would immediately back off after that altercation so the fact that the stranger went to pick up the daughter immediately after is a huge indicator of bad intentions. The husband should have known that this stranger shouldn't be around his family and helped to defend his wife and child.

[@305niquee]

I’d be so disappointed in my husband for not stepping in actually. Idc that she’s a woman, she was a crazy person grabbing their kid, I’d expect my husband to not even let her touch the kid!!!

[@kennedy.5152]

i was in HS when gay marriage was legalized in the US, and the one of the local religious schools fired a male teacher for getting married to his husband. he came to my school (public school) and was my drama director. he was the best director I had after doing theatre for my entire life and later went viral on tik tok for his cute family with his husband! almost a decade since all that went down, and I wish him and his family the best

[@tiggertheanimal]

Do you think the US will ever pass the Equality Act? I live in the UK and what that school did over here would be highly illegal, as sexual orientation is a protected characteristic and discrimination is illegal. Just curious to hear from your POV. (I assume you are American or something).

[@soconfused3616]

I think that it is illegal? Is it not?

[@wannabedrewafualo]

⁠@@tiggertheanimal With the ways things are going in our government, a lot of people on the right coming into power want us to regress. Many voted against the Respect for Marriage Act which protects same-sex, interracial, and inter-religious marriage. We have been going very backwards. Religious folks and institutions can get away with a lot of bad if they use their religion as an excuse. There was a case, I think in 2022-2023, where a bakery owner went to court because she didn’t want to make cakes for a queer couple. She won, the Supreme Court basically said you can discriminate against LGBTQ+ people legally. Later found out that she had made up the gay couple that had triggered her upset. 🤦🏼‍♀️ A lot of Americans are jokingly referring to establishments like this as “straight only” to point out the lunacy, but as a queer in a conservative state, I don’t know how long it will remain just a joke…

[@sEaSoNaLMiLk]

@@wannabedrewafualo Well, they didn’t say they could discriminate, full stop. They said they can run their private business how they want. Sell to who they want to. This is the US. We have rights and freedoms that are important to us. The couple has the freedom to choose another bakery, and to blast their experience to the world. But the government does not get to force a business to sell to a couple just because they’re gay. I think it’s stupid and hateful that they wouldn’t, but we can’t start doing stuff like that, there has to be a line.

[@wannabedrewafualo]

@@sEaSoNaLMiLk The line is not using religion as an excuse to discriminate. They used to use it to excuse racism and ableism, but now everyone’s realized how stupid that is, that the truth is it’s just bigotry. That ruling made way for literally anyone to claim “I don’t serve LGBTQ+ for religious reasons.” Nowhere in the Bible does it even say you can’t serve or be kind to queer people, it actually says the exact opposite.

[@justpeachy4050]

1:03:59 Omg, this guy needs his license revoked. Code of ethics is out the window here. If he’s capable of doing this to his partner, I don’t want to think what he’s willing to do to see “improvement” in clients.

[@992dancer]

Exactly!!! Such a terrifying thought having a man like that in such a position of power over other people’s lives! 🥺

[@funkycoldmedina29]

Exactly! It’s so scary. This used to happen all the time to women. If this story is true it’s terrifying.

[@QueenOfTheZombieApocalypse]

At best, he is a psychopath or otherwise deeply disturbed and doing this for fun and to test how far he can push people. At worst, he is planning to k*ll her via an ‘overdose’. I really hope it is a fake story for Halloween.

[@justpeachy4050]

@@funkycoldmedina29 I believe it. People go mad with power.

[@cynthiaguzman7130]

Story 1: His refusal to answer questions is a HUGE red flag. The fact that he is dodging the questions or throwing a temper tantrum to end the conversation shows that he knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he bought that ring. She supported him while he wasn't making much and this is what he feels is appropriate? No. Gold plating wears off - how quickly is dependent on the quality, but it WILL wear off. For someone like me, who is allergic to nickel (which is what most metals get mixed with), this ring would cause actual sores on my hand. (As did my wedding ring to my ex-husband, who gave me a guilt trip when I stopped wearing my ring because it caused a huge sore.) I'm with OP when she says she doesn't need diamonds, but the fact that he believes his fiancée is only worth $38 is insulting. Him humming and dancing around because he feels that telling her that she can buy her own ring and now the conversation is settled is another HUGE red flag. I hope she leaves and when she does... he will do what they all do and be STUNNED that she left. He fully expects that she will accept this ring or buy her own and he can continue on with life as-is. He bought that cheap ring because he felt, after 3 years, he had to propose... so he got the cheapest thing possible. He needs to be thrown in the trash along with that ring. STORY 2: I can pretty much guarantee that the person who called them into the office, was the one that did the deep dive to find the OF page. Because that took WORK. STORY 3: She needs to run and run far and FAST. That man is angling to do something in the future. She needs to get away from ASAP, get a test to show her family, and then report him to the licensing board to get his license revoked. This is terrifying.

[@MsNatamoo]

Awww Courtney sharing her and Shayne's engagement ring story is so sweet

[@anniemercer5759]

This girl with the psychiatrist boyfriend needs to go to the police and or doctors office and report this, they are reporters and will help her.

[@amandag4618]

Yeah he needs to be reported to a board. Who knows what he does to patients….

[@inferno7289]

psychologist*

[@rachelbubble3582]

Girl I clicked SO FAST!!! I’m obsessed with the THT/Smosh crossover, it feels like those Disney crossover episodes. I’m so PUMPED for this one!!!!

[@mommapuff9119]

Dude same!!!!

[@jelliryan9454]

swim safety instructor here! Every lesson we do fall in training. we have the child jump into the pool, no googles, without holding their nose, then they have to get to the surface of the water by themselves and float for 5 seconds without help. then they yell "help!". We run this drill every single lesson so in the event a child falls into water unexpectedly, they have this skill instilled within them. We teach 1 year olds how to do this. swim safety is sooooo important. our planet is 70% water, kids need to know how to be safe in it.

[@lunap7029]

This is amazing.

[@Oliver_Cheek]

God, I love Courtney so much! They're just so cool. Also, definitely agree about the hiking story. I love backwoods camping, which often requires a lengthy hike into camping spots, and out the next day. If you agree to take a friend with you, 1) you should ask them what their experience is like with hiking because being fit in the gym and being fit for a hike are two entirely different beasts and 2) you should never leave anyone behind. It is quite possible that the friend was underestimating how difficult the rest of the hike might be when she told them to go ahead. Or maybe she felt bad and had no idea of the real danger she could be in - what if she had fallen? What if there was an encounter with an animal? Some people don't think about these things because they are not experienced hikers, but the ones with experience should know better. And then to not only abandon her on the hike but then LEAVE to a new hotel while she is hiking out the next day? Why not go park the car and take a nap while she is on her way back? The way in which I would never speak to those friends again if I was left behind like that.

[@lancelotte11]

Story 1: My issue with the Temu ring is not the price but the lack of thought and planning. Seems like he just saw an ad and decided to buy the ring on a whim. On top of that, the explosive reaction and refusal to discuss the matter is the real red flag.

[@lellepad]

The people in Story 2 are gonna FLIP when they find out who Jesus hung out with…😅😂😂😂

[@lifewuzonceezr]

❤❤❤

[@shaisaelee4231]

With the utmost respect, I wouldn’t deminish Jesus as ‘hanging out’, he counseled and educated people to seek God, and self healing. As for who has access to children on a school campus. I would expect certain boundaries to be upheld, especially the principle.

[@stephwinter7189]

@@shaisaelee4231100% - his involvement with the ‘lowest’ in society to the horror of his disciples was an act of love that shows that anyone is redeemable, and exclusion of others based on their story or position in society is unchristian

[@babss7285]

Story 3, Don’t touch me, & def don’t touch my child. The woman clearly didn’t understand verbally & didn’t stop, so she got taught physically. Once someone assaults you, you do whatever you can to get them to back off. If it was a man people would applaud her for the punch

[@hmmidklooksfine]

the hiking story was scary. i get wanting to finish the hike and all but do they know how many people die in the grand canyon every year? never ever leave someone behind ALONE.

[@imblue9839]

broke hikers code and girl code all at once

[@lily-zg6io]

Not to mention that they say the other girl "looks more fit than us"... but fitness is such a broad range of things, you can have a six pack, and be able to lift a lot but have terrible cardio, or lack flexibility. Plus the fitness depends so much on the sport that you do, hiking, to me, feels a bit like a marathon in terms of the skills you need (pacing your energy over a long time/distance, having the right food to fuel and nourish you for so much effort), and you need to train hard to do long and complex hikes; these aren't the same things that you'd need if you were a dancer, a sprinter, or a bodybuilder. I think OP and her friend might be physically good hikers, but ethically, they have a lot of work to do because they clearly don't know the hiker codes

[@yb9964]

I’ve never been anywhere near hiking, I always thought hiking trails like Grand Canyon were crowded. Like the entrance of Disneyland crowded, with security and stuff 😂

[@bigspiderpapa3458]

​@yb9964 it's probably more populated since it is so well known but at the same time the trail is huge so who exactly knows when you would run into other people also who says you can even trust the random people you meet unfortunately ugh

[@tarag5077]

I just don’t understand why the girl even went. Why is she blameless? You wouldn’t even have to tell me any of that cause I’m not going. Is she completely blameless. I understand they shouldn’t have left her but clearly SHE didn’t know what she was doing. I’m baffled

[@redwizxrd]

bruh. $200k is 16k/month. normally i don’t think the cost of rings matters at ALL but when you’re making more than TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS IN A MONTH you can do better than $38. wtf.

[@olivebandit4401]

Courtney’s energy is always so amazing.

[@annahwalsh39]

Temu is notorious for having jewelry with dangerous heavy metals. She should have the ring tested.

[@ambergerber5162]

Ok so I didn't know about that. Can I ask some questions about it? I have 2 Harry Potter pocket watch necklaces from Temu. I'm love wearing them and now I'm concerned. If I get them tested what am I looking for? Sorry if this is a dumb question.

[@Cissy777]

​@@ambergerber5162dangerous amount of lead

[@TheCrayonMaster]

Temu is such a horrible company

[@taeminislove]

I always took the "shop like a billionaire" quote as "our products are so cheap you'll feel like a billionaire with the amount of stuff you'd be able to check out"

[@danaaaliyahneil2133]

Same here

[@Tulipgirl77777]

Yeah, it pretty clearly means that.

[@vianeyboruel504]

Yeppers

[@mimmalee]

Story 7: we almost lost our 3yo over the summer due to a near drowning. (He somehow got out of his life jacket) He had to be life flighted to the nearest children’s hospital. We stayed in the hospital for 3 days. It was the most terrifying experience of my life. It broke my heart to hear about that poor mom’s trauma response. She definitely needs therapy to help her cope. Her feelings are so valid but I love the way Courtney said that they can’t prevent the other kids from experiencing life. While we stayed away from pools for the last bit of summer, we will be back in the water next summer. I know it will be hard for us but we don’t want to keep our kids from experiencing water again. My heart truly goes out to that grandma and I hope she is able to find peace.

[@lifewuzonceezr]

Glad you are staying strong!

[@justineguerra-king7791]

Story 6: When my mom had cancer I stocked her fridge with different homemade food she could just warm up. It was the absolute least I could do and I didn’t know if she would even eat them. Just yesterday she told me that they helped her so much. So if you have a family member with cancer highly recommend meal prepping for them.❤

[@inkblot4]

LOVE this episode! Courtney and Morgan are a brilliant duo; they bounce off each other really well and give such good insights ❤

[@DaydreamEmily]

No matter how prepared you think you are for a hike, you NEVER KNOW WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN!!! A cousin of mine went on a hike with his son (and guides) and literally *died* - he had trained for months for this hike (and I believe he had medical clearance too) but still, he had a cardiac event and passed away. Hikes are challenging and if you had any inkling that your friend isn’t prepared, you have to say something!!

[@LolitaAngel6]

@@DaydreamEmily I'm so sorry for your loss, that's absolutely terrifying.

[@Audrey-ki2tv]

Man I hike a ton. I have had friends that have told me they need to go back on a hike because they don't think they can do it and I believe them when they tell me they are going to go back. I'm just super confused as to why their friends said that they were going to go back and then didn't do it. The hikes they did was a one-way inn and a one-way out hike so I'm not exactly sure how any of this panned out the way it did.

[@carriechambers3996]

what i dont understand is how the friend could misunderstand it sooooo much. like yeah Morgan and comments said "why did you not say X while Y" but did they not? they said that they gave her a lot of the info. as in they said something about educating her about what she needs for it. Why would she literally just ignore them? i imagine the educating her as being literally like "this is gonna be really really hard, we prepared for 6 months, u need to eat all of this to have enough energy, ..." all of that stuff. if she decides to be a bit behind after that, i wouldnt be too apprehensive to agreeing to her. its different from them just saying "hey we need to go so bye", but when she was the one to propose it and they even tried making sure if she really means it? i think it wouldve been better if they cut it off before the hike, but i dont think it makes them the assholes

[@jacoby-flower]

They tried, the friend ignored them that is not on them

[@MorganMatthews-ym7qg]

your episode with Shayne is what sent me to the smosh universe and I love them all. So happy you have Courtney too!!

[@snibbubzik3566]

Same!

[@alli9300]

Same and im so happy bc im obsessed with their content lmfao

[@beeepbooopp]

as a longtime Smosh fan and a THT fan for a couple years now, it's so cool to see people discovering their channels through each other 🥹 two amazing fan-bases are coming together!

[@5210smile]

I came here from her episode on Smosh.

[@na1ani218]

Smosh's episode with Morgan brought me to THT ❤

[@tendercrocketts]

Story 1: I also have a cheap $30 ring, but I was in on the discussion. I don’t care that my ring is fake and no one can tell that it’s not a real diamond. The problem with this man is that he didn’t discuss it with her beforehand or after to find out if she was okay with it. Also, the sleeping on the couch thing just sounds like he was embarrassed tbh.

[@bubukechu114]

yeah it's not really about the ring being cheap, bc as long as they like it what's the issue? it's still symbolic and beautiful. the issue is the lying by omission and very strange reaction when she tried to probe. also frankly if my coworkers who make 5× less than that guy can afford a few hundred dollar ring, so could he. he was definitely embarrassed and not committed enough to her to actually care. not saying rings have to be expensive to prove they care but if you're doing this as a surprise why wouldn't you a) be truthful about where you got the ring or b) get something /nice/ within your price limit? I know that rings finish is gonna come off and it's gonna look like my rings from middle school

[@_rileyvictoria_]

@@bubukechu114 Alot of women also want to give thier rings to children or grandchildren a cheap ring is not gonna last to do that. I have my grandmas ring for when I get married but I want the ring hugger to at least be durable for it to be passed on when I am gone.

[@SeaElectic]

23:15 we don’t do travel rings, we do the opposite we have everyday rings and “good rings” for special occasions

[@janessaluciano9887]

The way I SCREAMED when I saw the thumbnail. I caught up on all THT so I was looking for a new podcast to fill my time while awaiting new THT episodes, and I found Smosh Pit and I LOVE THEM. I’m so excited!!!!!! And Courtney and Shayne are my favorites

[@itslindseeey]

Dude story 4 👀 At first I was thinking what if it’s some kind of psychological experiment, but then I started wondering if he’s making this whole backstory and making her look like a danger to herself and she “OD’s” and it wouldn’t look like his fault..?

[@Caelinus]

Yeah I got real "I am going to murder you" vibes from his behavior. Even just making her disappear would work. I really, really hope she ran to a lawyer first, and then went with them to see a doctor second. You need to get as many layers of law and documentation between you and that person as FAST as possible in that situation. There are way, way too many dangerous things that could happen, and if a person is already gaslighting people to that degree, they are absolutely going to do at least one of those dangerous things.

[@maggiedk]

If it's a "psychological experiment," it's one he's doing with absolutely no backing from any institution, while ignoring every code of ethics for human experimentation (and every scientific principle for valid studies). You're not allowed to experiment on people without their informed consent, full stop. Much less someone you personally know, and even less in a way that's detrimental to their life like this. I'm very doubtful that he sees this as an "experiment," but even if he does, he's still a terrifying individual who's knowingly acting in a way to harm someone else.

[@bailey7792]

They have ways to tell if a person was doing drugs prior to 'OD-ing'. Its not like he would get away with it if that was his master plan. A single hair test would prove she isnt a drug addict and was injected with a hotshot

[@itslindseeey]

@@bailey7792 I didn’t know that, I’m glad that’s a thing! I just hope OP gets out safe

[@misscrazzyD]

​@bailey7792 But would they test for that automatically? If the cops are hearing from everyone around her, oh yeah she had a drug problem, would that change the process? I dont know. But either way, whatever that guys plan is, its not good.

[@mok6680]

The intervention story is literally insane…take a couple family members with you to get a full drug panel done & GET AWAY from that monster, he’s twisted!

[@nicolebesser3548]

You can even get a follicle test which will be able to show if she WAS using months back (addicts typically don't stop long enough for a UA)

[@jenellelynn4551]

As someone who hikes a lot of intense hikes: I've had to deal with people like this before. People who insist on coming with you, you give them all the advice and guidance you can, then THEY make the choice to not listen and THEY put themselves in a dangerous situation. Granted, I probably wouldn't have left them, but I would be pissed if months of planning got ruined because of someone less experienced who decided they knew better and didn't wanna follow my advice. I don't know if I would want to be friends with that person after that. At minimum, they absolutely would never go on another hike with me again. I'm there to have a good time, not act as mother for another adult, having to pack their water and snacks for them. I've learned from experiences like this that I just will not go on difficult hikes with inexperienced hikers, even if I think they're physically capable. I just refuse because of these exact situations.

[@cataliu]

exactly my thought. Wouldn't have left them alone, but definitely would've been pissed

[@AndreaLopez-tq1gm]

Same! I mean douchey move to leave a friend behind and have her walk ALONE, as an inexperienced hiker and woman. However, the girl that was struggling should’ve realized that they are clearly not as good of friends as she thought and left. Like girl, learn your limitations but most importantly learn how to care for yourself! You cannot rely on those people and you don’t know what you’re doing, your survival instincts need to kick in.

[@malinkaa7662]

Im loving two hot takes x Smosh! More of thiiiiis, literally the two channels I watch the most coming together👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻❤️

[@M0r32Lyfe]

I'd never heard of her prior to coming on THT but Courtney was such a great guest to come on! She was really natural, calm but engaging, and super insightful 👍🏼

[@UrFaveChapter]

Story 4: my first thought was "hes gonna kill her with some drug, blame it on her 'addiction,' and clearly her family will believe that"

[@SoobySays]

The punch story? Nah. That’s attempted kidnapping. No judge in the world would convict. The dad needs to support his wife.

[@SoobySays]

Also! “She sees creepy people.” I can’t speak for every pregnant person, but when I was pregnant, having a big bump in front of me out in public, all the time made me feel so much more visible. People would see me and instantly know something about me and have questions for me and would talk to me about their birth stories, all unprompted. I just became so much more aware of the people around me and they became so much more aware of me, so this seems perfectly normal to me.

[@Imjustkendall]

Dad: My wife didn’t let my child get kidnapped, is she TA??

[@RoKer13]

Exactly. He should’ve acted way before she did, the fact your 8 months pregnant wife sucker punched someone before you did is sad but impressive from her lol

[@PaleAle12345]

Regarding the ring/temu - I've heard so many horror stories by now about those ultra fast fashion or cheap producers putting a lot of toxic materials in their clothing, coloring for decorations and stuff. I would be so worried ordering something from them, especially a ring you will hopefully, if the quality allows it, wear every day...

[@criticalaorta]

Obsessed with the fact Court’s outfit matches the set

[@alexhanson9958]

Im absolutely loving the THT & Smosh collabs!! Keep them up! Morgan need to bring the crew onto smosh now!

[@cozeydaze]

Oh my gosh smosh!! You guys should do a couples relationship special with Justin and Shayne!

[@eyeseajujubee]

Arizonan here. Hiking the Grand Canyon is no joke. You NEED to be prepared to be and stay safe. Your safety is your responsibility, especially in the desert. The guy who’s story is 127 Hours was not prepared. Always tell someone where you’re going and bring extra water when you’re in the desert.

[@savannahellis8888]

Are you on the side of OP being the a$shole or nta? Bc I agree with your comment completely and I think OP is nta. The friend invited herself on a hike she wasn't prepared for 2 weeks before the hike, clearly knew nothing about hiking, didn't prepare, AND told OP and the other friend to leave her behind. None of that seems like OPs fault to me. They're all 3 grown women. 2 of them were prepared and knowledgeable about the adventure. Everything friend #3 went thru seems like a personal problem to me.....

[@GreedyLiz]

​@@savannahellis8888 i get that you Need to be prepared but if lack that knowledge i think the friends with you have to be more involved in informing you. I know nothing about hiking while my bestfriend Is quite intro It, if She saw me eat a salad right before something like that wouldn't stay silent. They prepared for months yet forgot to tell her that.

[@savannahellis8888]

@GreedyLiz I mean a lot of it was common sense.... who brings no food and very little water on an all-day hike....? Who invites themselves in a hike when they've never hiked before...? Like 99% of this was her own fault. The only thing OP did wrong was agree for her to come and then listen to her when she said to go ahead of her....

[@GreedyLiz]

@@savannahellis8888 i think She also failed about informing her friend about the type of hyke. Maybe She didn't know the Trail was so isolated, maybe She understimated the difficulty. If you are ignorant about something you don't think about the details. If you lack experience your Friends should at least give you a heads up. Also OP failed about caring at all for her friend. She saw her eating a salad, had doubts about It and ignored It. I just can't get over the indifference Op showed through all the Story, it's quite concerning. But, yes. Mountains and deserts can be really dangerous. Please educate yourself and don't be completely dipendent on other Person unless you really really trust them with your Life!

[@spazzyisopod8220]

58:27 Okay something similar happened to someone I know. It wasn't a therapist but he was very charming. He convinced the wifes family that she was on drugs and did a lot of crazy thing like this. Then he ordered a hit on his wife and apparently was going to tie it to the drugs luckily the hitman was an undercover cop and the whole thing was foiled.

[@SkarletOctaviaMUSIC]

BRUH

[@madeleinehogue4245]

I love Morgan and Courtney's points on the last story! I used to be a private swim instructor and I did teach infants and young children how to self rescue. It is traumatic for the kids and the parents, but so so useful! A child I taught how to self rescue was only 16 months when he fell into his family's new pool, but was able to get onto his back to float until an adult found him. So so important to learn at a young age! I've also been a lifeguard at private parties from that same job. There are people who are willing to come to your backyard or neighborhood pool and watch the pool. That would be a perfect way to help the grandmother not stress out during family parties around the pool!!

[@thecartoongirl22]

Great Episode Ladies! Love this Duo!

[@elcie04]

In my opinon a proposal should NEVER be a blindside. It is something you MUST discuss before doing it. As well as if your partner wants you to propose publically or not. If they want it to be private or with family. If my partner proposed to me without discussing it with me, i would not say yes because that tells me they dont care about my opinion. The proposal ITSELF should/can be a surprise, but your partner SHOULD KNOW that it is planned.

[@hernameispekka_Rebecca]

I agree. Shayne mentions this all the time in their Reddit stories and Courtney clearly agrees. You have to know that your partner wants the same thing and roughly how they want it. The worst is a full surprise engagement in front of people. That's basically coercion.

[@elcie04]

@@hernameispekka_Rebecca Exactly it's manipulative and the person on the revieving end ALWAYS looks bad if they say no, and they look even worse if they say yes and then take it back. I think it is absolutely disrespectful to your partner to not discuss it with them first. Even to just prepare themselves mentally for getting engaged because that is a huge step.

[@hansbanans18]

15:32 I think OP is just worried about the quality of the ring forsure! Not only the price. Basically anything for $38 these days is bound to be low quality, I hope OP finds the info she needs (and definitely evaluates these red flags fiance is giving with the non communication!!)

[@coolgirlcorgan]

Story 5. They ABSOLUTELY should have confirmed w their friend how experienced she was in hiking. Also, I am sorry, but hiking in over 100 degree weather is dumb on its own. So many people in AZ die from heat/sun stroke while hiking in the heat. Just having your friend come along without absolutely confirming she would be able to do it is irresponsible. They could have easily said “Hey, we would love for you to join, but we have been training and planning for 6 months and it just would not be safe for you to join this time. But we should start hiking together so we can all do a big trip like this together another time!”

[@aliciakidd7940]

I'm from Tucson, Arizona born and raised. Southern side of the state but it's a yearly constant that no matter what any news channel says despite what any authoritative government figure says, we will have at least 30 people die from going out and hiking during the summer. It's soooo sad how often it happens and how little it slows down even after the first person of the year dies.

[@HA-lg1lc]

1:10:10 never leave anyone behind while hiking. It sucks not to finish, but it sucks even more to find out someone you left behind got lost, died, or got injured alone. Never let someone talk you out of it because theyre embarrassed or sure they can do it. There was a guy in the news recently about a guy in the same situation on a work retreat.

[@clarita_ve]

Story 5: completely the AH! You never NEVER leave anyone behind on their own. Rule N1 of hiking. Sure, your holiday was planned for months and so on, but why did you invite her? The moment you invite her she becomes your responsibility. You could have sent your girlfriend by Uber to the hotel while you wait. Not a chance, she was lucky to find a spot in the lodge. This one made me mad 😡

[@lovehorseback]

As a girl scout, I was taught to use the buddy system when it comes to hiking, so the fact they left her behind on a trail that she doen't know the layout of, know the terrain, or how to survive in the wilderness, makes my blood boil. They didn't hear from her for HOURS, and only got word that she went to the lodge after several hours. The Grand Canyon is in a desert! The altitude and temperature alone is dangerous because it can be 110 degrees in the sun but as soon as the sun goes down, it can drop to between 30-40 degrees quickly. She could have died in the canyon, and they wouldn’t have known till a few weeks later and they would try to not be responsible for it. You take that responsibility for someone when you’re hiking with them. If anything happened to that person, it’s on YOU to be responsible for them. She got sunstroke and collapsed on the trail that she’s not familiar with, and she could have easily gotten lost and not know where the lodge was NEVER EVER LEAVE SOMEONE INEXPERIENCED BEHIND ON A TRAIL. STAY WITH THEM THE WHOLE TREK.

[@lydiahovind5513]

First, I love Courtney I’m so happy this crossover exists 😍 Second, with story 5, my dad is an avid mountain climber, climbing Mount Baker in WA in a day. Whenever we do family hikes, he makes sure the slowest one is leading the pace. And on trips where he is with someone who isn’t as prepared as they should be, the goal is always to get everyone back safely without injury instead of submitting or finishing the hike, no matter how much anyone in the group wants to. It would’ve sucked, since OP had planned the trip for months in advance, but they should’ve quickly realized they weren’t going to do what they had planned and stuck together as a group to get everyone back safely. They should’ve rescheduled their originally planned hike/trip

[@randomtology]

Story 5: When I was in HS, I was the person that had to be left behind on a hiking trip. It was the Superior Hiking Trail and we were meant to hike for 4-5 days, but by the middle of day 2 it was clear it'd be unsafe for me to continue (I'd recently had a major surgery and my doctor had been a bit too overly optimistic when they gave me the green light to go). The rest of the crew wanted to continue, so the group leader escorted me to the nearest ranger station where I could safely wait for my family to come pick me up and take me home. He did that because of course it'd be crazy dangerous to leave me, an inexperienced and unwell hiker, alone to figure out my own way - there's so many things that could've gone wrong. And the Superior Hiking Trail is NOWHERE near as dangerous as the Grand Canyon, so yeah of course OP is an AH for that. I understand the friend is partially at fault for not properly preparing for the trek, but OP choosing to leave them behind supersedes any of that.

[@kittysrule]

Even as a person who has no experience hiking beyond walking nature trails, I know better than the leave a friend behind who is obviously struggling. I won't even walk ahead with my friends if someone has to pause and tie their shoelace haha. It's really baffling to me that they would leave them behind, even if they were being so insistent. Yeah she bit off more than she could chew by asking to join, but the friends have the autonomy to gently decline. If saying no to a friend joining a trek you had planned for 6 months 2 weeks in advance is what breaks your friendship, then it was never a strong friendship to start with

[@dulce_does_it_all]

The last story: I was 3 when I ran into the community pool at the apartment complex we lived at. My mom jumped in after me. We both couldn't swim. We were pulled out by a neighbor. My mom took that experience as a sign for all the family to learn to swim and we all did

[@forest4est]

I don’t know if Court will ever, or want to, but she has such a strong presence for serious topics and I think she would do so well hosting something of her own if she ever wanted to. I think it would even surprise them

[@tubblebub]

Punching someone is not illegal when you're punching to stop a stranger from picking up your child after ignoring your lack of permission to touch your belly. No cop would arrest/cite for that, no lawyer would try to prosecute, and no judge would hold her criminally or civally accountable.

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

Story 2: I forget how the saying goes exactly but this story sounds exactly like the phrase "they point with one hand and enjoy with the other." That principal is a hypocrite and is probably jealous of OP.

[@datte-ai]

FR! Very sad that kind of person is a headmaster of all things. Hope she gets karma.

[@jessicaash9719]

I would definitely want to make an anonymous report that said person was sharing and discussing lewd information about a porn site while on campus. Pretend to be a concerned parent, what a hypocrite. The lady knew who complained hence the "it's not relevant' they then threatened her job if she continues to see him. Wtf! What right do they have over her personal life? Such ridiculous antics of this school and so not worth the hassle. On my way out I would call the principal out on her hypocritical behavior since she only recognized the BF from Only Fans because she herself subscribes. Heck OP could even do a concerned post in local news articles. I'm a teacher and this story is hella triggering.

[@justchuiED]

"When you point a finger at someone else there's 3 pointing back at you."

[@courtneysmith2917]

With story #5, I recently went on a trip to the Pacific Northwest and did hikes with way more elevation gain and difficulty than I’ve done before. The group that I was in definitely had more experience than me but made it clear, “The group’s pace is as fast as the slowest hiker’s”. I pushed myself a lot on that trip and ended up surprising myself with my own ability but it was really comforting to know that if I ever reached an actual physical limit, I was never in danger of being left behind or even being made to feel like I was inconveniencing someone. While it sucks to have to adjust plans and maybe miss out on an experience or 2, safety of everyone involved should be the priority the whole time. The 2 people who went ahead should’ve known better than to leave someone by themselves. Anything can happen to people in the outdoors but the risk factor goes up so much when someone is alone, especially if it’s become apparent that the ability level/knowledge isn’t quite up to par. They so easily could’ve called the hike early and regrouped, choosing to do a harder/longer hike the next day and maybe without the more novice hiker

[@MadisonZenker-i4f]

The last story! My parents have always had a pool at every house we lived in, so I knew how to swim at a very young age. At every family event with swimming they always hired a lifeguard. She even saved one of my friends when we were kids. Pool/water safety is so important.

[@gk.westover]

Exactly, and theyre taking the proper precautions to make sure their kids are safe. I understand where grandma is coming from, but she needs to go to therapy and not try to control peoples lives around you.

[@no-one.in.particular]

Do kids where you live have to learn water rescue drills? Like how to help someone in trouble in the water etc (I live on an island with very rough waters,not sure if this is a thing in other places)

[@MadisonZenker-i4f]

@@no-one.in.particular I did when I was a kid, but I was also always on the water. I also learned how to swim at a very young age.

[@natmccallion]

Morgan, can you push the black cables from the neon sign into the black crack of the wooden wall? Or get a little piece of furniture/dresser/unit to cover the bits n bobs. You could decorate either side of the sign seasonally too xxx🖤

[@Manon627]

I want more THTxSMOSH collabs!

[@Alysssaia]

IM LOVING this smosh crossover. It'll be amazing to have more collabs with smosh members and then make it into a series

[@StaciWeidner07]

Story 4 gave me the chills. And when Courtney was talking about isolation, 💯 ughhh it’s so true- you don’t know it’s happened until it’s too late. Been there, but thankfully i had a few good friends left and i got out.

[@QueenMFLaurie]

51:05 Some guys don't seem to pick up on danger signals the way we do, but we can sense those off vibes, and so can some dogs. Once, my ex and I had a guy from a store come over to install new floors in our house. He was clearly intoxicated and reeked of beer. His energy felt really off to me, but my ex liked him right away. The store had forgotten to load the kitchen floor, so the guy had to return later-on a day when I was home alone. My ex thought I was overreacting, still insisting the guy was great. When he came back, he was drunk again, and those bad vibes were just as strong. It scared me a lot. Now, whenever a worker comes over, I make sure I'm not alone-either someone is with me or I'm on the phone with someone the whole time.

[@maggiedk]

Oof, glad he's your ex. It's understandable to not pick up on those things but really shitty to not listen to your partner when they say they feel unsafe (especially if you're in a straight relationship with a woman and a man is making her feel unsafe; you should understand that the dynamics are different and that many women have had scary experiences with men). My partner doesn't always understand or see it when I say a man makes me uncomfortable but he always listens and respects how I feel, and would NEVER leave me alone with them.

[@QueenMFLaurie]

@maggiedk He wasn't a bad man. He was very clueless and naive on that subject, I think naively, is the right word. Luckily, my current partner listens to me. And more than understands. He gets so mad on my behand when I encounter creeps. He even came up with a safe word I can use when I feel unsafe so he can step in.

[@jadynromero8175]

I just did the Grand Canyon hike, and it is not for the faint of heart. That place claims about 18 people a year, and the 18th person died while I was there. We tried to do it in 2 days but it took 3 😮‍💨

[@kalebwieland4938]

Man, I can't believe I made so many comments on this video, this is probably the most hooked I've ever been out of all of your videos, these turned tragic in many areas! Made me go through so many emotions! 😭😭