Sin Sacrifices: A Question That “Topples” Torah Observance?

[@DavidWilberBlog]

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[@MylesSPearson]

David, How do we reconcile the following verses: “For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7‬:‭18‬-‭19‬ ‭LSB‬‬

[@DavidWilberBlog]

@@MylesSPearson The overall context is the contrast that the author has been making between the qualifications for the Levitical priesthood and the Messiah’s heavenly priesthood. In light of this context, we can look at just two verses earlier to see what the author is saying. He uses the same Greek word translated as “commandment” (ἐντολή) to describe the “requirement” that Levitical priests be from the tribe of Levi (Heb 7:16). So, we should understand the “former commandment” in verse 18 to be a reference to the specific law that restricts the Levitical priesthood to the tribe of Levi, in particular to the sons of Aaron (Exod 29:9). So, the author of Hebrews is not saying that the Law of Moses has been abolished. He is saying that the specific requirement that priests be from the tribe of Levi has been set aside. This requirement being set aside does mean that it is abolished since the author assumes its ongoing validity in the next chapter (Heb 8:4). That is to say, this requirement still applies for the Levitical priesthood *on earth.* So, in what way is this requirement “set aside”? It is set aside as a requirement for serving *in the heavenly priesthood.* The heavenly priesthood has a different requirement for entry: the power of an indestructible life. In what way is the legal requirement for serving in the Levitical priesthood “weak and useless”? It is weak and useless in regard to attaining perfection: “for the law made nothing perfect.” According to the author, the Levitical priesthood cannot fully take away sin and purify the consciences of believers because the priests are sinful, mortal men (Heb 7:23, 27-28). In contrast, the Messiah is sinless and immortal, so he is able to “save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them” (Heb 7:25). So again, the requirement for serving in the Levitical priesthood is “weak and useless” only in regard to attaining perfection. But according to the author, it is still valid (Heb 8:4). While the Levitical priesthood cannot attain “perfection,” from the author’s perspective, it still serves a legitimate function on earth-namely, designating priests to facilitate worship in the earthly tabernacle or temple. Hope that helps!

[@PaulineBlumenthal]

Wow...what a great job Satan is doing. Animals can not absolve sin. They are only symbolic and not a devine being as God. They need to answer "what was nailed to the cross"? It was not the Ten Commandments which shall stand forever. Nor, not one jot or title shall be changed.

[@buffalo4172]

The bible defines itsself. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. HE FULFILLED PROPHECY this IS the correct interpretation. Daniel 9:24c and to seal up the vision and prophecy

[@Michael-rg6qg]

I watched your video about the sin sacrifice and I have to say you did an outstanding job making your point! I am messianic and have explained this to many people myself to include my own family!!! You have a new subscriber and will be checking out your other videos, and thank you for your well done video!!!

[@Valerie77777]

Wow brother! It finally all makes sense to me! I can't thank you enough for explaining so succinctly. All glory to Yah!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Wonderful! Glad you’ve found it helpful.

[@ProDocDombek]

Thank you for presenting this. This topic is often the one that antinomians use to deny that the torah is still binding for believers today. Yah bless and keep you!

[@TwoMessianicJews]

While I disagree with One Law/Hebrew Roots/Pro-nomian Christianity that gentiles have a responsibility to observe Jewish-specific Torah instruction, such as tzitzit, kosher, Shabbat, etc., this is a good answer to Solberg. Thanks for making the video!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Wow, this means a lot coming from you. Despite (as you already highlighted) some nuanced differences in how we view the relationship of Gentile believers to certain aspects of the Torah, I'm a big fan of your work. I've been really blessed by your scholarly approach to Scripture. Blessings!

[@justincase1919]

Even if the sacrificial system was done away with, it doesn't follow that God's law defining sin was. In fact, the bible says the law was added due to transgression. Transgression of what ? The law. So... What law was added ? The sacrificial system. It's really pretty simple. It was never a sin to not make sacrifices. The laws of sacrifices never defined sin, that wasn't their purpose. The idea that the sacrificial system was done away with, therefore we don't need to keep God's laws that define sin is just a non sequitur. These people will make whatever dumb argument they need to make in order to justify continuing in sin.

[@marshamunger6004]

This is so very helpful. I'm a Jewish disciple of THE Messiah, my Savior, Lord and Eternal King. I'll be looking for more of your videos. 🕎

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thanks for watching! Glad you found it helpful.

[@christiaanvandyk]

Well done David! You have a gift for clearly articulating complex concepts in theology, making them much more accessible and understandable. Not everyone might agree with your view and doctrine, but Yeshua had the same challenge. Let those who have ears hear. Our Heavenly Father blessed you greatly and you are a blessing to the body. Shalom

[@AmericanTorah]

Corner Fringe Ministries is also a strong opponent of the idea that there will be animal sacrifices in the Millennium. I'm working on a presentation to address this very issue in the context of "new" vs "old" covenants.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Interesting, I'm actually surprised to hear that. In any case, I've liked much of what I've heard from them.

[@paulwiederhold7629]

@@DavidWilberBlog The teaching from Daniel Joseph is in his Hebrews series - #35. I also find him compelling in his presentations. Don't know if you two could work something out as far as exploring topics together? His basic points against are; the priesthood and animals were similar to paramedics coming in and staunching the 'bleeding of sin's but never complete healing. Now that Yeshua has come, He is the physician, the only one that can completely heal (forgive sin) .

[@messiahcomplex1126]

It’s peculiar that he’s also a Zionist and teaches against circumcision but he has so many good teachings too, real head scratcher. Shalom

[@DBaldwin111]

@@messiahcomplex1126 we are still to be circumcised. Just not in the flesh by human hand but in the heart by the Spirit. In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, - Colossians 2:11 NKJV God said He would do this. "And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live. - Deuteronomy 30:6 NKJV

[@JesusfreakkAlex]

Thank you for your clear explanation. I actually watched a lot of Solbergs' videos and notice that he explains a lot of bible texts from his point of view. I actually asked him the question "If Jesus did not keep the entire Mosaic Law, would His sacrifice be acceptable for our sins?" To support His claims He explains that the law of God and the law of Moses are somehow different, but scripture does not support this at all.

[@justincase1919]

Sometimes what is called "the law of Moses" is different from the law of God, but that fact only weakens their argument, since it is "the law of Moses" that is criticized at times, not God's law. To clarify, the oral law, or traditions of the elders, which is now called the Talmudim , is sometimes referred to as "the law of Moses". This is what Jesus argued with the Pharisees about and what Peter called a burden. This isn't God's law, or laws given by Moses, it's additional laws made by men and called "the law of Moses".

[@redbearwarrior4859]

Well said! Multiple people pointed out to Solberg in the comments that the animal sacrifices did not accomplish what Yeshua's sacrifice did. He just kept saying they were dodging the question without realizing that they were addressing his false presupposition.

[@Trompie01]

Thank you for your excellent presentation of this topic David. Blessings and Shalom

[@DTH1661]

Shalom and blessings, David. I pray you and the family are both blessed and well. Thank you for this informative and edifying upload. It is very much appreciated. Once again an excellent use of sources. Stay safe and well, brother. Every blessing. David (UK)

[@Turn-The-Other-Cheek-1Kings22]

I have not watched yet , but David I wanna say YOUR appreciated and thank you for fighting for us .

[@rickblake3674]

Grateful for your content, David. Have used your approach to defend the pro-nomian case, myself. Have also followed Mr. Solberg's arguments for awhile, and noticed he always got Hebrews wrong. Am looking forward to your new books.

[@ShuwshanEmeq-xb3mk]

When I first found Torah and began keeping Feasts, I just assumed all Torah people thought this would occur when His Kingdom come happens. I was not only met with this belief is a complete denial of Christ, but a salvation issue, according to the Torah group I was in. I found myself so new in this thought of sacrifices resuming, and so new in EVERYTHING Torah, I hadn't thought about it for several years. Thank you for this. It is good to know others think Scripture says so too!

[@ssmimi1]

Thank you for this wonderful explination, I have often pondered on this subject over the years before turning to the messianic torah teachings. Shalom.

[@michaelestes3994]

Excellent as always. I like the new intro

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

LOL! Love the pickle suit photo, David. That was funny. Here are a couple quick updates for you: First, at 18:01 you said, “The real way to undermine the Messiah’s sacrifice would be to claim, as Solberg does, that animal sacrifices at one time did provide the type of atonement that the messiahs sacrifice provides.” I have never claimed such a thing. Second, you labeled my theology “supersessionist” half a dozen times. However, I reject supersessionism and do not believe that the church has replaced Israel in God’s grand story of redemption. In fact, I am on record multiple times (on video and in print) rejecting supersessionism (replacement theology) as unbiblical. I would love to have you on my channel in the coming weeks for a friendly discussion on this important topic. Would you be up for that? Blessings, Rob (R. L. Solberg)

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thanks for reaching out, Rob, and for offering clarification on your theology. However, I have to admit that I’m quite confused! You say here that you have never claimed that the Levitical animal sacrifices offer the same kind of atonement as the Messiah’s sacrifice. But isn’t that the entire premise of the dilemma you’re suggesting if someone answers “yes” to your question? (I did also watch your 22-minute video, and that was the impression I got since you explicitly stated that animal sacrifices were a temporary provision until the arrival of the Messiah, but maybe I’m misunderstanding you.) In any case, if you’re not claiming that animal sacrifices provide the same type of atonement as the Messiah’s, then how would offering a sin sacrifice (like Paul did, or as Ezekiel says millennial priests will) be in conflict with the Messiah’s sacrifice? Where exactly is the dilemma? I’m also confused by your claim that your theology is not supersessionist. While I truly appreciate that you don’t believe the church has replaced Israel, supersessionist theology involves more than just that. A primary focus of your ministry is teaching that the Law of Moses is no longer in effect, which is a key tenet of supersessionist theology. (I double-checked a couple of theological dictionaries, Messianic Jewish websites, and even texted a friend who is a prominent Messianic Jewish teacher to confirm this and to make sure I’m not crazy.) Also, all the scholars I reference who promote “post-supersessionist” theology present interpretations of the New Testament that challenge the notion that the Torah is no longer in effect. They classify the interpretations they are challenging-ones I’ve seen you defend-as “supersessionist.” So, again, I am very confused. It seems perhaps you’re using an overly narrow (and incomplete, imo) definition of “supersessionist” to avoid the label? Unless I’ve completely misunderstood the entire point of your ministry and you actually believe the Law of Moses is still in effect?? As for your invitation, I am totally up for having another friendly discussion/debate in the future. Things are a bit hectic for me at the moment with a new baby on the way, along with school and several writing projects with deadlines. Let’s reconnect in November or December. Blessings!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@DavidWilberBlog Oh! I see what you mean, David. Yes, if you're speaking of the broad categories of sacrifice types, then, yes, the Lev. 16 sacrifices and the sacrifice of Jesus are of the same type; they are both *_sin atonement_* sacrifices. However, they do not offer the same kind of atonement. The animal sacrifices in Lev 16 provided _temporary_ atonement for sin but _did not_ bring ultimate forgiveness of sin; they were a continual bloody reminder of it (Heb. 10:3-4). The sacrifice of Jesus, on the other hand, provided _eternal_ atonement for sin and _did_ bring ultimate forgiveness. One was a shadow, the other the reality (Heb. 10:1). As for supersessionism, if that theology teaches that the old covenant law is no longer in effect, then they got one thing right! (Hey, a broken clock is right twice a day.) But that is not unique to supersessionism. *_All_* mainstream Christian theologies teach that same thing. What is unique to supersessionism-in fact, the very thing that defines that theology-is the belief that the Christian Church has superseded the Jewish people assuming their role as God's covenant people. That's where that movement gets its name. And it's a movement I reject as unbiblical. Thanks for considering coming on my channel. Believe me, I know what a busy life is like and family has to come first! Of course, a friendly chat on my channel would take up a lot less of your time than making one of these videos, with all the writing and editing involved. And if you've got a baby on the way, I'm guessing November and December will be a lot busier for you. But I certainly understand. Please reach out to me when you've got some time. Blessings, Rob

[@DavidWilberBlog]

​@@TheBiblicalRoots Hi Rob. I'm still confused about your point then. It seems like you are saying that the animal sacrifices brought temporary atonement until Messiah came and brought final atonement. Most people are going to interpret that as meaning that you think the animal sacrifices and the Messiah's sacrifice are the same in terms of their effect on our eternal standing before God-that people were "saved" by animal sacrifices until the Messiah arrived. However, then you say you aren't saying that. But if that is not what you are saying-if you do not think they accomplish the same thing-then I don't see the dilemma that you say exists when people like John MacArthur teach that sin sacrifices will again be required in the millennium. In any case, have you read much of the more recent academic literature on this topic? I'm not trying to be patronizing by asking. I think part of the problem may come down to vague language. I'm assuming that you mean certain things when you use terms like "atonement," but maybe we're just working from different definitions. Perhaps you should consider writing a paper or making a video explaining your view of the sacrificial system in depth. That might be more helpful than a video framed as some sort of "gotcha" to dunk on Messianic Jews and other Pronomians. Regarding supersessionism, yes, and that is because many "mainstream Christian theologies" are rooted in longstanding supersessionist assumptions. As post-supersessionist scholars have pointed out, the belief that the Law of Moses is no longer in effect ultimately stems from the idea that Christianity has replaced Israel, nullifying God's covenant with Israel and replacing the Torah with different commandments. These supersessionist notions-e.g., the idea that the Torah is no longer in effect-within "mainstream Christian theologies" are precisely the unbiblical concepts that post-supersessionist and Messianic Jewish scholars are attempting to correct. As one Messianic Jewish teacher, Ryan Lambert, writes, "No matter how much one believes that the church has not replaced Israel, if that same person believes that Judaism, the Mosaic covenant, and the Torah have been replaced or superseded, then the result is the same. These ideas are all part of one multi-layered 'replacement theology' concept." Again, I certainly appreciate the offer! We will make it happen eventually.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@DavidWilberBlog I hear you, David! Though, it seems to me the differences I noted between the two atonements are pretty clear and don’t promote confusion. The Torah’s atonement sacrifices: (a.) used animal’s blood, and therefore were (b.) temporary, (c.) continually repeated, and (d.) a reminder of sin. The atoning sacrifice of Jesus, on the other hand: (a.) used the precious blood of Christ, and therefore is (b.) eternal, (c.) “once for all” (never to be repeated), and (d.) brought the eternal forgiveness of sin. If one were to read through Leviticus 16 and Hebrews 10, they would find all of the above differences recorded. Regarding SS, you said, “the belief that the Law of Moses is no longer in effect ultimately stems from the idea that Christianity has replaced Israel.” I couldn't disagree more. The belief that the old covenant law is no longer in effect stems from the Bible and passages like, “Now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). As I said, I completely reject the notion that the Christian Church has superseded the Jewish people and assumed their role as God's covenant people. At the same time, I (along with all mainstream Christian traditions) believe that “Christ is the end _(telos, purpose)_ of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes” (Rom. 10:4), and therefore, new covenant Spirit-led Christians “are not under law but under grace” (Rom. 6:14), because “if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law” (Gal. 5:18). So, respectfully, labeling me SS because I believe the old covenant law is not in effect is disingenuous. Especially since I reject the core tenets of SS. It would be like me labeling you a Jehovah's Witness because you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (That's what they believe, too!) Shalom, Rob

[@DavidWilberBlog]

@TheBiblicalRoots Hi Rob. Okay, so if I understand your most recent comment, you are NOT saying that animal sacrifices and the Messiah's sacrifice are the same in terms of their effect on our eternal standing before God. You’re agreeing, then, that the types of atonement accomplished by each are different. So, since everyone is on the same page about that, again I ask, where exactly is the dilemma? How are people like John MacArthur implying that the Messiah’s sacrifice was not enough? If one does not affect or supersede the other, where is the “pickle”? That’s the part everyone seems confused about. Regarding supersessionism, I’m sorry we disagree on the meaning, but I’m using it the same way that it is defined by scholars, theological dictionaries, and Messianic Jewish websites. You say that you “reject the core tenets of SS,” yet one of the core tenets is the notion that the Law of Moses is no longer in effect. Messianic Jews and other Pronomians simply disagree that this notion comes from an accurate reading of the Bible; we believe it stems from a reading of Scripture colored by supersessionist assumptions. If you are interested in a post-supersessionist reading of Romans that challenges the notion that the Law of Moses is no longer in effect, I recommend Dr. J. Brian Tucker’s book, “Reading Romans after Supersessionism.”

[@georgeelvira551]

I have been studying Jacob Milgrom's work on Leviticus. His thoughts are fascinating regarding atonement/cleansing/purgagation. David, I believe that you touched on this in your video In a nutshell, the blood is applied to the object that needs to be cleansed. Not necessarily for forgiveness. Forgiveness is a matter of the heart. Think of the publican beating his chest while standing a far off in the New Testament -Luke 18:13. He did not bring an offering, however this does not negate the need for an offering. Also, Moses prays multiple times for Israel and the Most High forgives them at Moses' word. Moses certainly did not do away with the need for offerings. You approach God with the aid of a sacrifice, that is why the offerings are called Korban(to draw near). The temple on earth requires an animal sacrifice to cleanse the altar as you approach. This is completely in line with the book of Hebrews which states that the blood of bulls and goats did not take away sin. Sacrifices can be complex, Hebrews is giving us technical insight on the sacrificial system that can only be understood if you seek out Torah. Thanks for the video!!

[@piercelong6016]

Great work again, David!

[@messiahcomplex1126]

Toda David, well said, as usual. Shalom!

[@XavierPutnam]

You knocked it out of the park, David. Excellent video! It's a massive subject, and hopefully this video inspires believers to review the Torah, Hebrews, etc. very carefully, without the supersessionist glasses on.

[@AlmondHouseFellowship]

Brilliant, sadly we had a member of our fellowship who was with us a few years fall away from observing the Torah due to R. L Solberg's false teachings. In Yah's providence you started to post rebuttals to his claims around the same time. Thank you for your studious work and relaying it in a simple presentation. All glory to Yah!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

I’m sorry to hear that. His teachings have undoubtedly led to a lot of strife and division among believers, which is unfortunate. On a brighter note, I've heard from several people that Solberg's content actually convinced them to start keeping the Torah, as they saw for themselves how weak the objections were.

[@salpezzino7803]

Amen Let me ask you, why has Jesus's Bride not preach what David Dildo preaches for 2000yrs??? Crazy right

[@BansheeHives]

@@salpezzino7803 ​ You can either be mature, a brother in the Messiah, or outright disrespectful to somebody. You're comment is not worthy of a response because 1) your argument is plainly the informal fallacy of _argumentum ad populum_ and _argumentum ad verecundiam_ 2) you've shown you're not mature enough to accept another position. Remember the Messiah's words: "whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell" (Matt 5:22). But, despite this, I am willing to give you a response. 1) The Apostolic Scriptures refutes the notion that we should look to tradition or men's practices for our doctrine. Matthew 15:3-6 and Mark 7:8-13 proclaim that the Pharisees "sett...aside the commandment of God in order to keep...tradition" (Mk 7:9). This shows Yeshua's standpoint on tradition. 2) The Scriptures and the Apostles are our example for our worship and thus we look to them. See 2Tim 3:14-4:4 and 1Tim 4:13 for Scriptural based doctrine. See Phil 3:17, 4:9, and 2Thess 3:9 for the apostles as our example. 3) We can look to history and your statement is not entirely complete. "Jesus's Bride" is very vague. There are Christian's throughout church history that taught full obedience to the Torah and accepted the Scriptures (See the Celtic Church or the Nazarenes). We also have some Christians keeping some ceremonial parts of the Torah (E.g., Polycarp keeping Passover). Moreover, two church historians say the entire Christian world outside of Alexandria and Rome kept the Sabbath (5th century). This is also an incomplete statement because Christians do keep much of the Torah, just mainly not the Sabbath, Festivals, or dietary laws. They actually keep the big parts of the Torah very well (Lev 19:18, Deut 6:5, cp. Matt 22:35-40). If I had to guess, you're a Protestant. If you're a Protestant you believe in the Protestant reformation. If you believe in the Protestant reformation then you admit more than a millennia of doctrine was in error via the Catholic Church.

[@paddydobbs2318]

Read the writings of the apostolic fathers, the actual letters from Peter, John and Paul's disciples, the men who were chosen by the Holy Spirit to teach the next generation and preserve the truth. Ignatius of Antioch. Clement of Rome,Polycarp of Smyrna... Even slightly later is Justin Martyr and His writing called conversation with trypho the jew

[@jackwebster9246]

​@DavidWilberBlog well, I guarantee there is nothing you could show me in any context that we must keep the mosaic law. That would have me believe it.

[@raphael8896]

Very well done as always brother. Love your books and teachings

[@pt4250]

Thank you very much, Mr. Wilber, for this scholarly explanation.

[@husqvarna3726]

So if this is Solbergs one question to rule them all and topples the theology of pronomians, doesn't that imply that if he's wrong then it's actually his own theology that's been upended by one simple question? Shouldn't he shut down his channel in that case? That's the problem with making statements or questions that seemingly back someone into a corner, if they are right and you are wrong then it's actually you that is now cornered. There's a lot to lose in this case...

[@ParadisegetawaysNet]

Great information Mr. Wilbur.

[@racre479]

Great video, thank you for your work.

[@backyardworker]

I love the subtle humour in this video. "The supersessionists are in a pickle" had me chuckle. 🤭

[@TheJ1D2B3]

Ughh I try so hard to stay away from Solberg, and here you are shoving him in my face 😂 Praise YAH, and Thank you Brother for setting things straight as always ❤

[@BansheeHives]

Jeremiah 33:17-22 calls the Levitical priesthood, and therefore the sacrifices, "continual," and says God will never break His covenant with the Levites.

[@nathanieldiaz2845]

I did a whole teaching on Jeremiah 30-33 to make this point. Amen!

[@xanderbarr1983]

He didnt break his covenant, they did. He made a new covenant,

[@paladinhansen137]

In my opinion The covenant of the Levites still continues under the order of Melchizedek. The 24 elders are the 24 Levitical Priests appointed by David and serve in heaven forever.

[@memukanofpersiaandmedia2668]

​@xanderbarr1983 if you read or study the Hebrew words in Jeremiah 31:31-33 it is a Renewed Covenant same words as in a new moon. We know the moon is not new but a Renewed moon cycle.....for the Covenant that Yah spoke to Yashar'el is the 10 Devariym written on stone tablets, which is now written on the hearts those that have been called by the name Yahuah Tsevaoth.

[@oboria]

It appears you both love each other because you both constantly make videos addressing each other. Just give him a big hug and kiss in Christ Jesus. You both will be in heaven when u pass away from this earth and will see each other and worship the living God, King of Kings and Lord of Lord Jesus✝️🩸👑. Go reach the lost and spend more time and attention to that then videos of theology etc. and trying to prove who is right and who is wrong! If you have an ear to hear, the hear/listen. LOVE!!!! LOVE!!!! LOVE!!!! THE mercy of God for both of you🙏

[@barryoldern1605]

Right god dwells in us...through yahshua's death and resurrection...the temple is different thrn what's it's in other parts of tanakh then what's in Ezekiel...so that's an issue. Which is one of the reasons why scholars think that Ezekiel is not literal but theological ...Heiser discusses this

[@coreybray9834]

There is a rather simple idea that theologians are overlooking here. It could simply be the case that the reason the sacrifices ceased and the temple was destroyed is because God is trying to tell us that during the era between the cross and the plagues being poured out, God’s law came under fire. After Christ proved to Lucifer that God’s law could be kept, by showing he was righteous even unto death, leading to the victory mentioned in Revelation 5 and the New Song declaring “Worthy is the Lamb” to answer the challenge at the beginning of Revelation 5, Lucifer then shifted his argument to attack the law itself. Accusing the law of being unrighteous would force the law to be tested. It would be difficult to use the law to punish people who are under the law if the law is not righteous. So, wanting to accomidate Lucifer’s concerns, God provides space to test that theory. He lets Lucifer’s agent, the little horn of Daniel 7:25, come in to change times and laws. And sure enough, the Imperial Cult whose title of Pontifex Maximus (the Babylonian Supreme Priest) eventually passed that title on to the Bishop of Rome (becoming the new Papal title). But, claiming to be the Supreme Priest of the Babylonian order was a direct attack on Christ’s function as our High Priest under the law by the Papacy. This is why Daniel 8 and Joel 1 speak of the Daily (or meat and drink offering) being ceased or cut off out of the house of the Lord. So, the sacrificial system didn’t just cease in the earthly sanctuary, but it also was halted for a time in the heavenly sanctuary as well. Because under the Sacrament of Reconciliation, the priesthood of Rome claimed that it could perform the function of Christ and become man’s intercessors. Turning man away from Christ’s function as our High Priest and officially enforcing the change from Sabbath to Sunday and replacing God’s times in Leviticus 23 with pagan alternatives, making the worship of the Dragon and the beast in Revelation 13:4 emerge within Christianity, and the war against the saints that followed in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:5-8 commenced, Because this is how the Holy place was polluted by the Abomination of Desolation in Daniel 11:31 and Matthew 24:15. That term Abomination of Desolation is more likely to be rendered Abominable Desolate (because a desolate in Isaiah 54 is an unmarried woman where we are given such an example of what a desolate in prophecy actually means). So, anAbominable Desolate would be a whore (such as the Whore of Babylon standing in the Holy Place in Daniel 11:31 and Matthew 24:15). Remember, Babylon’s sins also reach unto heaven in Revelation 18, because she is the one who has been teaching humans to pretend to be intercessors. It started with the Papacy primarily, but today now everyone is talking about being an intercessor, and their sins truly are reaching to heaven, and God’s people need to come out of Babylon and stop partaking in her sins if they don’t want to receive her plagues. A commoner cannot enter the sanctuary, so how could they be an intercessor? That’s begging for God to destroy you. It’s like trying to walk into the Holy Place of the earthly sanctuary in Moses time, but not being a Levitical priest. You would be killed for even attempting it. How much greater of an offense is it then when a sinful human tries to pretend to intercede for others in terms of the heavenly sanctuary? That’s way more serious than simply polluting the earthly sanctuary. So, all these Intercessory Prayer Warriors have no idea the dangerous game they are playing with God and his sanctuary here. Unfortunately for Lucifer, from the beginning of the Dark Ages on up through 1798, the test of changing God’s law to something more like Lucifer wanted was a disaster. Christ even warned in Matthew 24 that if those days were not cut short, no flesh would be saved, because the persecutions would not have ended except for the fact that God intervened and the Pope was arrested. Eventually, protestants like Seventh Day Adventists realized that one could only get their sins forgiven by turning to Christ in the heavenly sanctuary, not to human priests. This realization lead to the cleansing of the Sanctuary in Daniel 8:14 and the restoration of the meat and drink offering in Joel 2. Adventists almost figured this out. They got the timing right, but they confused the pollution of the Daily Sacrifice being cleansed out of the Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary doctrine with the idea of the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary on the antitypical Day of Atonement which comes later after the trumpets of Revelation 8-11 instead. The cleansing in 1844-1847 was really something more along the lines of what took place in 2Chronicles 29 when the defilement in the Holy Place was removed to restore the sanctuary’s function. Then came more and more Christians restoring the Sabbath and feasts of God from Leviticus 23, turning away from the pagan alternatives that snuck in under Mystery Babylon, over the years until today, which has been central to restoring God’s times and laws back to their rightful place as more and more people come out of Babylon in line with Revelation 18:4. The more this happens, the more God’s law is being vindicated by Christians who realize what needs to happen to get Christianity back on track in preparation of God’s law going forth from Zion in Isaiah 2:1-5, proving God never abolished his law at all. It was simply ceased until which time his law could be vindicated. Once God’s law is fully vindicated, then and only then will the arm of God not be withheld from pouring out his plagues on the earth. Notice, the greatest curse coming that will devour the earth in Isaiah 24:5-6 results from God pointing out the harm done to his law. When this great curse devours the earth, the inhabitants of the earth will be burned and few men left to tell the tale. Because God already destroyed the world once with a flood of water, but this time he will cleanse the earth with fire. Once the law goes forth from Zion in Isaiah 2:1-5 and Micah 4:1-5, God will achieve an outcome Christianity has not yet been able to achieve while it has been involved in mostly joining Lucifer in bringing God’s law into question. All of a sudden God will rebuke the nations and they will not learn war anymore. God is trying to make it absolutely clear that our world would never fix itself if he did not reinstitute his law. As it is, we are already facing down a potential encounter with WW III that could go nuclear. So, did Lucifer’s experiment to show he could do things better without God’s law work? No! Not at all! But, he will try one last time before God puts his foot down with the coming 2030 agenda of the WEF and the UN. Once the law goes forth from Zion, then God can address the problem of man’s heart like an adamant stone in Zechariah 7, because God wants to remove our stony heart in Ezekiel 11 and 36, and give us a new heart and new spirit in Ezekiel 18 and 36. The heart like an adamant stone God complains about in Zechariah 7 is man’s refusal to hear his law and the words he sent by his Spirit through the prophets. The cure to that stony heart problem is to turn from the rebellion God has Isaiah write a book about in Isaiah 30 which ultimately aims to cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before those who continue to reject his law and ask for prophetic lies and deceits. Part of getting rid of our stony heart comes withGod placing his sanctuary back in the midst of his people in Ezekiel 37, and resuming the practices of his vindicated law in Ezekiel 40-48, Zechariah 14, Isaiah 66:21-23, Jeremiah 33:14-18, Revelation 3:12, Revelation 7 and Revelation 20:4-6. These last three references are New Testament support for the coming temple and its priests. So, it isn’t just an Old Testament idea. Remember, under the New Covenant, God is going to write his law in our heart, but first he must give us the new heart of Ezekiel 18 and 36. We will return to keeping torah law, even its sacrifices, until we know by heart what everything means in that law. It’s how the Holy Spirit will help us to learn what it truly means to be righteous, something humans still desperately struggle with because they do not yet have that new heart and the full experience of true sanctification yet.

[@dieWeg]

Excellent! Thank you Brother.

[@pepepena1937]

The *FACT of the matter* is that Ezekiel’s Temple was conditional if you look at 43:11 . Not a single prophecy about Second Temple being destroyed and another one being built *NONE*

[@AmaniiRoy]

Great job👏🏾 DEBATE SEAN ON THIS PLEASE! Animal offerings for sin are for the temporal covering of the flesh whereas Christs sacrifice is to declare us free from guilt in an eternal sense (hebrews calls this our conscience). Animal offerings cant do what christs sacrifice accomplished and Christs sacrifice doesnt do what the animals accomplished. They have different functions, one is for earthly flesh and one is for our eternal state.

[@NANA-fh6we]

Sean’s already debated PSA [penal substitutionary atonement] with another Torah observant believer. I think he believes the info presented in this video, however he just doesn’t think Christ’s blood actually made atonement for us. Rather, he believes it secured Christ His high priestly status where He thus sacrifices animals in the heavenly temple.

[@AmaniiRoy]

​@@NANA-fh6we I've watched it, it got a bit muddied and Sean didn't fully grasp his opponents opening statements on PSA and how she understands it. I don't think Sean would agree with this video. I don't think he understands the 2 different functions of animals & Christs offerings and how they are for different purposes thus why he's not able to connect Christs death as an atonement for mankind that reconciles us back to God.

[@Truth-f2q]

Quit being lazy and go debate him yourself.

[@Russell-k2b]

Nailed it!

[@308dad8]

The problem is A) Messiah does cover sin. B) He also says until Heaven and Earth pass away not one yod or tittle will pass from the Law. The fact is the Temple services will resume and must in order for them to be suspended. Christ atoned once for all our sins but we still should learn and keep Torah. If Christ commands it we will owe it, as simple as that.

[@buffalo4172]

He did not fulfill the Law. He fulfilled the Prophecy with the Law and Prophets. this is the correct interpretation. Trying to twist that he fulfilled the Law so we don't have to is Leven/false doctrine. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Fulfill? Fulfill what? Isn't messiah the spirit of Prophecy. doesn't he need to fulfill prophecy? Yes otherwise the father is a Lier. Yes Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Luke 24:44 is a DIRECT reference to Matthew 5:17 This is what Messiah means You really need to do a study on all the Prophecy Messiah fulfilled.. Mat_1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Mat_2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. Mat_2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, Mat_2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. Mat_4:14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Mat_8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses. Mat_12:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Mat_13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: Mat_13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. Mat_21:4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, Mat_24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Mat_26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be? Mat_26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled. Mat_27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; Mat_27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots. Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Mar_13:4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? Mar_14:49 I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. Mar_15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors. Luk_4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. Luk_21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Luk_21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luk_21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Luk_22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. Luk_24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Joh_3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. Joh_12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Joh_13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. Joh_15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. Joh_17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. Joh_17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. Joh_18:9 That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none. Joh_18:32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die. Joh_19:24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did. Joh_19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. Joh_19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. Messiah did not fulfill the Law so you don't have to keep it WRONG. He fulfilled scripture about his 1st coming.....

[@bawbjusbawb6471]

Brilliant study... Thanks

[@danielkeathley6477]

I think the important question to ask is does this apply to gentiles? Do any of the authors, like Thiessen agree that gentiles were expected to follow Torah? Do they all reach the same conclusion you do, that gentiles need to uphold the Torah (which is not possible to do now that the temple is gone) I think if we read acts 15 & 21 the decree by the council has not changed.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Here's my take on that question: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eabFZp2Abq2mfJIsi=fHpJlArXUN9RxjNW

[@danielkeathley6477]

Thanks for your response! It is greatly appreciated

[@surethabadenhorst]

Please look into David Servant's teachings on this as well 🙏🏼 in regards to Acts 10 - 15, he explains it very well. We are no longer under the Mossaic law in every regard, there are moral aspects that still apply, but it is a new covenant with a new people - no longer Israel but rather Messiach. It is a testing of God to not understand the seal of the new covenant is the Holy Spirit. Those who have ears to hear will hear. Blessings

[@DBaldwin111]

The Sacrifices God Desires Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. Psalm51:16-19 For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it;
You do not delight in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit,
A broken and a contrite heart-
These, O God, You will not despise. 18 Do good in Your good pleasure to Zion;
Build the walls of Jerusalem.
19 Then You shall be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness,
With burnt offering and whole burnt offering;
THEN THEY SHALL OFFER BULLS ON YOUR ALTAR . Hosea 14:2 Take words with you,
And return to the Lord.
Say to Him,
“Take away all iniquity;
Receive us graciously,
For we will offer the CALVES OF OUR LIPS. 1Samuel 15:22 “Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams. Jeremiah 7:21-23 “‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command:Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you. Proverbs 21:3 To do what is right and just
 is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice,
 and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings. Psalm 40:6-8 Sacrifice and offering you did not desire-
 but my ears you have opened
 burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.
7 Then I said, “Here I am, I have come-
 it is written about me in the scroll.
8 I desire to do your will, my God;
 your law is within my heart.” Hebrews 10:5-6 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
 but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
 you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am-it is written about me in the scroll-
 I have come to do your will, my God.’” Psalm 50:1-23 The Mighty One, God, the Lord,
 speaks and summons the earth
 from the rising of the sun to where it sets.
2 From Zion, perfect in beauty,
 God shines forth.
3 Our God comes
 and will not be silent;
a fire devours before him,
 and around him a tempest rages.
4 He summons the heavens above,
 and the earth, that he may judge his people:
5 “Gather to me this consecrated people,
 who made a covenant with me by sacrifice.”
6 And the heavens proclaim his righteousness,
 for he is a God of justice. 7 “Listen, my people, and I will speak;
 I will testify against you, Israel:
 I am God, your God.
8 I bring no charges against you concerning your sacrifices
 or concerning your burnt offerings, which are ever before me.
9 I have no need of a bull from your stall
 or of goats from your pens,
10 for every animal of the forest is mine,
 and the cattle on a thousand hills.
11 I know every bird in the mountains,
 and the insects in the fields are mine.
12 If I were hungry I would not tell you,
 for the world is mine, and all that is in it.
13 Do I eat the flesh of bulls
 or drink the blood of goats? 14 “Sacrifice thank offerings to God,
 fulfill your vows to the Most High,
15 and call on me in the day of trouble;
 I will deliver you, and you will honor me.” 16 But to the wicked person, God says: “What right have you to recite my laws
 or take my covenant on your lips?
17 You hate my instruction
 and cast my words behind you.
18 When you see a thief, you join with him;
 you throw in your lot with adulterers.
19 You use your mouth for evil
 and harness your tongue to deceit.
20 You sit and testify against your brothers
 and slander your own mother’s son.
21 When you did these things and I kept silent,
 you thought I was exactly like you.
But I now arraign you
 and set my accusations before you. 22 “Consider this, you who forget God,
 or I will tear you to pieces, with no one to rescue you:
23 Those who sacrifice thank offerings honor me,
 and to the blameless I will show my salvation.” Hebrews 13:11-16 The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. 12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.13 Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. 14 For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come. 15 Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise-the fruit of lips that openly profess his name. 16 And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased. Mark 12:33 And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” Psalm 107:22 Let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving,
And declare His works with rejoicing. Phillipians 4:16-19 For even in Thessalonica you sent aid once and again for my necessities. 17 Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that abounds to your account. 18 Indeed I have all and abound. I am full, having received from Epaphroditus the things sent from you, a sweet-smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well pleasing to God. 19 And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus. Mathew 9:12-13 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and NOT SACRIFICE .’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance. Mathew 12:3-8 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? 6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. 7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” Psalm 141:2 Let my prayer be set before You as incense,
The lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice.😮

[@yibaibashimu6223]

This verse sums up my question: If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances? Colossians 2:20 YLT98 This was a good video, I enjoyed it even though i don't totally think you have the answer. Great love and respect in ha Meshiach for doing the work! And this this verse is my admonishment to you: See that no one shall be carrying you away as spoil through the philosophy and vain deceit, according to the deliverance of men, according to the rudiments of the world, and not according to Christ, because in him doth tabernacle all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and ye are in him made full, who is the head of all principality and authority, in whom also ye were circumcised with a circumcision not made with hands, in the putting off of the body of the sins of the flesh in the circumcision of the Christ, being buried with him in the baptism, in which also ye rose with [him] through the faith of the working of God, who did raise him out of the dead. And you - being dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh - He made alive together with him, having forgiven you all the trespasses, having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross; Colossians 2:8‭-‬14 YLT98 bible.com/bible/821/col.2.8-14.YLT98

[@helenagreenpine1496]

The Didache also mentions sacrifices as normative for early Christians.

[@Lotterywinnerify]

sacrifices meaning prayers and gifts of money to the poor

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

"The Son of Man will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:41-42

[@careyhead9738]

Please help me find the articles and the book you suggest reading at 4:08-4:20. I don't see links on this page, and my search by author names was overwhelming. Thanks!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Send me an email and I'll hook you up.

[@mattburns617]

Well explained!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thanks!

[@sammurray12912]

Love you brother!

[@AdamPlayFarms]

Great video. I would say one thing Solberg did right was use one of my comments in the video he made. 😂that part was fun to here.

[@SSundeeGames]

I wonder how Solberg interprets Matthew 5:19

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Surprisingly, in his book, he actually gets that verse correct-he says that Jesus was urging his listeners to keep the commandments of the Torah. In light of how he interprets vs 17-18, though, he thinks the application of that admonition from Jesus is limited to the time prior to Jesus's death and resurrection. So, he interprets the verse correctly, but denies that it is relevant today based upon how he understands vs 17-18. To me, it seems strange that Jesus would emphasize the importance of observing and teaching the commandments, even linking it to one's status in the kingdom (greatest or least), if those same commandments were soon to become irrelevant.

[@donttreadonrick9981]

Another thing supersessionist believe is that believers are going to heaven. They don't read the Kingdom of heaven is coming to earth to fulfill Scriptures that say the meek shall inherit the earth!

[@estimatingonediscoveringthree]

10:04 is this future temple future to Ezekiel? Or future to the second temple? And how do you know?

[@amsterdamG2G]

There is so much i don't understand (yet)...... 🙏Open my eyes, that I may see Wondrous things from Your law.🙏( Psalm 119:18)

[@folkeholtz6351]

Very clear. Thank you.

[@abhishekalfred3452]

I believe Got Questions is reformed and even they believe that there would be animal sacrifices in the millennium period.

[@pierreferguson1300]

Hebrews 10:17 “And their sins and their lawless deeds I will no longer remember [Jeremiah 31:34].” 18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, an offering for sin is no longer. (NASB)

[@frankmckinley1254]

Thanks for this. I and others are really glad you're willing to take on the chief Antinomian.

[@amsterdamG2G]

There is just so much i don't understand (yet)...... 🙏 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law. 🙏( Psalm 119:18)

[@cherylburnett2014]

John McArthur had a prophet show up at his church who told him God sent him there to tell him to stop preaching a false doctrine.

[@literallytorah]

To the question: “Does God still require animal sacrifice as atonement for sin?” - the short answer is ‘yes.’ However, because there is no Temple to perform it, we are left unatoned-for. As we see in Ezekiel 37:23: when the Houses of Yehudah & Yosef are returned to the Land, then God will cleanse us all from the sins accumulated over the past years. At that time, the ordinances of the Torah will be reinstated in the new Third Temple. Again - we see that God will forgive us of His own accord in Jeremiah 31: 34, meaning that, if we were clean & our sin atoned for now, there would be no need for this. Its simple, really… Shalom

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

Yeah, sin sacrifices being needed again is insane.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Yeah, the apostle Paul was super insane. Crazy man.

[@plandry91]

Funny to see them saying the laws no longer applies but yet they still say homosexuality, necromancy, etc are all sins.. yeah well they are sins from the same laws you say no longer applies they just want to pick and choose what they want to follow the do as thy wilt doctrine or the worship of the self. Great work by the way theres so much people being deceived its impressive and this type of work is very needed

[@GaryandAlly]

Acts 13:39 and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.

[@gregorywootton3870]

Freed or justified Strong's 1344 To render righteous or such he ought to be to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

[@salpezzino7803]

@@gregorywootton3870 thus the law of Moses is Fulfilled. Do you keep the Feasts as God Commanded? If you don't you are doing so as a tradition of Man ------------- Damned

[@gregorywootton3870]

@@salpezzino7803 only the new Pagan ones, Easter, Halloween and Christmas

[@likemanner]

"The End of Hebrew Roots (Torahism)" or "Telling You I Don't Understand the Purpose of the Sin Offering Without Telling You I Don't Understand the Purpose of the Sin Offering"

[@308dad8]

I don’t comprehend what you mean to say. Care to enlighten?

[@XZGH110]

Plz respond 🙏🙏🙏 I have been watching your every video and your other groups channel 119ministries. Your teachings are very helpful. I am completely convinced that the Ten commandments remain until heaven and earth pass away. But saying all the Torah remains is not possible because it's impossible to keep all the civic laws, rituals laws, ceremonial laws and ordinances written in the Torah. For example, do you keep the ordinances given in Exodus 21 and Property rights in Exodus 22 and sundry laws in Exodus 23? Does your wife keep the laws of motherhood in Lev.12 and Lev.15? This is just a small example. Do you keep all these laws? How? Plz respond

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Hi there. You are right that it is not possible to keep many of the laws in the Torah for various reasons-not because they have passed from the law, but because keeping them depends upon conditions that currently don't exist. Hence, we should keep the laws that we are able to keep. You might find this short video helpful. Feel free to email me if you have any specific questions (I don't always see YT comments). davidwilber.com/videos/the-law-of-moses-all-or-nothing-james

[@byronumphress3805]

John 14:6, Immanuel Jesus said, John 14:26, The Holy Spirit was to be sent, Immanuel Jesus came in flesh and many missed he, Also, John 3:3-5, then repent of your sins, Revelation 3:10 Shalom

[@12th_C]

Before i hit like on this one, i get a kick out of the fact that there are currently 119. It’s the little things in life.

[@JonnyDurock]

The blood of bulls and goats cannot forgive sins-->Hebrews 10:4 KJV - For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

[@reindewit5135]

Why does Lev 4:20 [LEB] say: "He shall do to the bull just as he did to the sin offering's bull, so he must do to it. The priest shall make atonement for them, and they will be forgiven."? It seems to me that this is not an apparent but a real contradiction with Heb 10:3-4. It seems to me that the author of Hebrews relegates the Levitical Service to a shadow and just a reminder of sin and excludes real forgiveness contrary to many texts in Leviticus and Numbers.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

It's only a contradiction if we misunderstand what sin sacrifices were actually for. As Dr. Richard Averbeck puts it, they were efficacious only on the level of the physical sanctuary on earth. It is only in that context that they made atonement and were "forgiven." Animal sacrifices cleansed the earthly sanctuary and the worshiper from the ritual effects of sin. But they never actually took away sin from a heavenly perspective. They never did anything to "atone" for sin from an eternal perspective. The OT itself acknowledges this in the Psalms and Prophets. Salvation and forgiveness of sin from an eternal perspective has always been by Abrahamic faith on the basis of the Messiah's sacrifice. Animal sacrifices are and always have been a symbolic representation of this heavenly reality.

[@Tony_4_Chiliasm]

You said the Bible doesn't say Jesus' sacrifice replaced the sacrficial system. It does though, explicitly. Hebrews 10:11-18 says "Day after day the priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." Hebrews 10 refutes every single point you made in this video. Solberg is correct.

[@MelissaTaylor-tl6xk]

Not to mention- SIN is costly. The value, monetarily, was to prove a point. Additionally, sacrifices and offerings funded the tabernacle/temple’s keeping and upkeep. It was also used as payment cohen and Levites. If we had to pay the monetary amount, today, in lieu of the sacrifices- we’d soon understand how costly sin can be. These people were Agrarian. We are monetary. If it hurts your pocketbook, you tend to think about it. However, NOTHING can replace Yeshua’s paying the ransom that He paid, for us to have a choice in our eternal destination.

[@kimberlya9591]

Wow. Just wow.🤯 The amount of times I had to pause and rewind. I have always assumed no more animal sacrifices. Three reasons: 1) Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. 2) No temple - no sacrifice. Even when the Antichrist comes and sits in the 3rd temple, those sacrifices will have no bearing on us that are Believers, so I haven’t really considered them. 3) Why would a sacrifice be necessary in the future since we will be with our Savior in our glorified bodies and the devil will be in hades??! Thank you for clearing up 1&2!! But honestly David, I had no idea that we will still have opportunities to sin in the next life. I’m confused and sad about this.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

I could have done a better job of explaining that. I put a "footnote" in the video, but it could be easily missed. I don't think people with glorified bodies in the millennium will be sinning. But not everyone living during the time of the millennium will have a glorified body.

[@kimberlya9591]

Ohhhhh!!! Thank you!! I did miss that. I have to watch this again anyway, so I’ll look for it. Ahh, I feel so much better, and your explanation is what I’ve believed. So much great info in this video, as usual, it’s a lot to unpack though. My mind was blown on this revelation of Jesus’ sacrifice. I’ve got to chew on that for a bit to digest it. Thank you again David. I appreciate how much you challenge us in this walk/sprint/run!!! God bless!

[@BaruchHaShem777]

I am having a difficult time understanding this. If there were no sacrifices in the original creation until Adam & Eve sinned, why will there be sin sacrifices when Yehovah has done away with the old world and created a new one? If there was no death in the original creation why will there be death in the new creation? It Yeshua was the sacrifice for our sins, why does Yehovah need more? If we are not going to be sinning in the new heaven and earth, what’s the purpose of sin sacrifices? I just can’t wrap my mind around this.

[@bawbjusbawb6471]

If there will be no more sin in the New World, then why would anyone side with Satan after he has been released for a time? There's a BUNCH of questions we will all find the answers to one day...

[@randyblankenship4000]

He proved one thing he proved he needs to go home and read his Bible.

[@aprilramos-case8336]

Hello David, why do you think the curtain in the temple was torn from top to bottom when Jesus died? What does that signify?

[@DavidWilberBlog]

I agree with Dr. Jespher Svarvik's interpretation of this event: "The point has been made several times in this book that the temple was a manifestation of divine presence. It was a meeting place between God and humans, not a hiding place for God. The temple-and its curtain-was not something that separated humans from God. To the contrary, the temple and its curtain were symbols of the presence of God, not a divine absence. Seeing the temple as the manifestation of divine presence, it is not difficult to imagine that the tearing of the veil can have been experienced as an expression of sorrow. God tore the divine robe when Jesus died...the rending of the veil may be understood as an expression of divine grief over what is happening. This has been suggested by several interpreters, including Claude G. Montefiore, David Daube, Roger David Aus, Rosann M. Catalano, and Paula Fredriksen. Yet another person who supports this thesis is, surprisingly, Melito of Sardis...Melito contends that the veil is rent because God’s angel rends his clothes in mourning when Jesus dies. In Melito’s indisputably reproachful text we find these three small words in Greek: perieschisato ho angelos (angel tore [his garment]), proving that this third interpretation can be traced all the way back to the second century." -Dr. Jesper Svartvik, Reconciliation & Transformation, 88-89

[@OnlyHumanRecordings]

Okay, was reading Deuteronomy this week. Deuteronomy 24:16 states: 'Everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.' HOW DID JESUS GET AROUND THIS PART OF THE LAW?

[@Eric-fq5wx]

Hebrews says since there is a change in the priesthood there must also be a change in the law. What change could there be other than the sacrificial system? There will be no more death in the kingdom of heaven and the lamb will lie down with the wolf and the lion will eat straw. We and the animals will no longer be eating meat because that requires death. Eden will be restored and the original diet as well. The sacrifices that Ezekiel is refering to is a broken and contrite heart.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Regarding the "change in the priesthood/law" in Hebrews 7:12, the key to understanding the author’s argument is found in the meaning of the word “change.” There are two Greek words translated as “change” in Hebrews 7:12, both of them related: μετατίθημι and μετάθεσις. These Greek words convey the sense of “transforming,” “translating,” or “transferring.” What’s most interesting about these words, however, is that the author of Hebrews uses them again a few chapters later to speak about Enoch’s ascension to heaven (Heb 11:5). Why is it significant that these words are used to describe Enoch’s being “taken up” or transferred? Because when he uses these exact words to speak about a “change” in the priesthood and law, he means them in the same way he speaks about the transferring of Enoch. Since the Messiah belongs to a different priesthood-an ascended, heavenly priesthood-we must recognize that there is a different qualification or “law” for that priesthood. That qualification is “an indestructible life” (Heb 7:16). So, the change in the law was not a change in the Law of Moses. That is, the author is not claiming that the Law of Moses’s qualifications for Levitical priests have been altered. Those laws still apply on earth. To be a priest on earth, you have to be from the tribe of Levi. According to the author of Hebrews himself, that law still applies on earth, which is why the Messiah cannot be a priest on earth (Heb 8:4). But to be a priest in heaven requires a different law-a law that applies in heaven. That is what the author means when he says that this heavenly priesthood requires a “change in the law.” As Dr. Matthew Thiessen writes, "Hebrews claims that the cultic regulations have changed because there has been a change in location-from terrestrial to celestial."

[@Eric-fq5wx]

@@DavidWilberBlog if your interpretation is correct then what is ready to decay and vanish in Heb 8:13? The definition of change in priesthood being transfered can still be correctly understood in that the priesthood was transfered to the heavenly temple making the earthly temple ready to vanish away.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

​@@Eric-fq5wx Thank you for the question. I agree with Dr. Jesper Svartvik's interpretation that "what is ready to decay and vanish" in Hebrews 8:13 refers to the present age or world in which we live, along with the sacrificial system connected to it (as it deals with sin, death, and impurity-features of our present fallen world). While this present age-and thus the sacrificial system-will eventually pass away, it has not done so yet. Here's a short video of me reading an an excerpt from Dr. Svartvik's paper on this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHrMcqZ-atKAj8ksi=bWOTRVCp_DMKpYZc

[@Eric-fq5wx]

@@DavidWilberBlog I have to disagree with your interpretation of Heb 8:13. It is clear by the context that he is refering to the old covenant. The entire book of Hebrews is teaching about the old vs new covenant. Chapter 10: 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. The first covenant was taken away to establish the second. Verse 19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; We no longer have need of an earthly priest because we have power to go before the thrown of grace. He also gives a Stearns warning to those who do so presumptuous in verse 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Couple that with the prophecy in Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. I know there are many interpretations of this but I understand this to be refering to messiah being sacrificed in the middle of the 70th week and made a new covenant in his own blood causing sacrifices and tithe to cease.

[@nathanieldiaz2845]

​@@Eric-fq5wx Dani'el (Dan) 9:26-27 CJB [26] Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach will be cut off and have nothing. The people of a prince yet to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but his end will come with a flood, and desolations are decreed until the war is over. [27] He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.” I'm not sure how you can interpret that to be the Messiah it is clear in the last two verses that that is not talking about him whatsoever. But one who is decreed to destruction... Messiah is not ever destroyed....

[@inmyopinion_3672]

While there's no law against the Believer that doesn't mean there's not a proper way to live and worship.

[@nathanieldiaz2845]

So i did a teaching on what i titled "The Biblical definition of the New Covenant" i spent the bulk of the teaching on Jeremiah 30-33 with references to other prophets as well as Deuteronomy 30. The aspects and attributes of the New Covenant are prretty much laid out in the portion of Jeremiah including other Scriptures and its explicitly clear that a physical temple and the Levitical preisthood and animal sacrifices will continue as they are promised in no uncertian language by the Father himself multiple times. It has dawned on me that these styles of teaching are extremely important has the bulk of what the New Covenant is is explored or detailed before the book of matthew... the apostles mainly deal with a couple specific aspeects of it with the assumption that we will know about the rest from SCRIPTURE.... the bulk of the churches heavy ignorance on the prophets and the Tanakh in general is killing the body.... man lives not on bread alone but on the Word of God.... hard to do when man thinks over 75% of that word is no more

[@COGEAarchive]

Then what was the Law that was added 430 years after Abraham if not animal sacrifices?

[@danasalomon3721]

There is no Holiest Place in the Ezekiel Temple. Jeremiah mentioned that the Ark of the Covenant will not be mentioned any more.

[@pierreferguson1300]

Hebrews 10:26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has ignored the Law of Moses is put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? (NASB)

[@randyblankenship4000]

I do believe there is a scripture that is in the New Testament that says I am paraphrasing it was never possible for the blood of build and goats to atone for sin.

[@biblicalveracity]

Rather, take away sin. The blood of bulls and goats atones for sin, but it cannot take sin away. Hebrews 10:4 KJV [4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

[@emjmnc]

Superb

[@davidmorris7476]

Hey David, first I appreciate your gentleness. You don’t get riled up easily to prove points and you do a good job laying things out for people, although I disagree with your conclusions. My biggest critique though isn’t your conclusions but that you used someone like MacArthur to open this video to defend your beliefs. MacArthur doesn’t believe Christian’s are under any Torah laws. Here’s a direct quote from John on Grace to You: “The false teachers were telling the Colossians that it was not enough to have Christ; they also needed to keep the Jewish ceremonial law. The false teachers’ prohibitions about food and drink were probably based on the Old Testament dietary laws (cf. Lev. 11). Those laws were given to mark Israel as God’s distinct people and to discourage them from intermingling with the surrounding nations. Because the Colossians were under the New Covenant, the dietary laws of the Old Covenant were no longer in force. Jesus made that clear in Mark 7” So MacArthur would actually call you a false teacher- I’m not saying that, but it’s a little disingenuous to use MacArthur to prove your point. He’s also adamantly against Christians keeping Sabbath and has a 10 point write up against it that I won’t copy and paste here. So all in all using someone like MacArthur as a “gotcha” is exactly the same as what you think Rob is doing regarding sacrifices. Taking a popular preacher who completely disagrees with you to further an agenda.

[@teagan75]

Why is Torah Observance = Sacrificial Laws? The Levitical system was set in place due to the Gold Calf Incident. This doesn’t mean we cannot offer gifts of Thanksgiving. Now, what about Ezekiel 40-48? Well, that’s the Reign of Yeshua and a time to relearn. Those who make it to that point or a resurrected for that period of time will not be changed into a perfect person. Sanctification is a process and unintentional sin will happen. There is no sacrifice for intentional sin, except for Yeshua.

[@toneypeel3482]

Jesus was the final blood sacrifice…

[@shebrewsherri1008]

Shalom Shalom

[@amystewart1433]

Hey there! I know you lol.

[@bencruz563]

I've a genuine question: When Paul recieved a vission of the sheet of unclean food and was told to eat and he refused until The LORD told him that that which He declares clean is clean an sent him to meat the centurian's men. I know the context is in reference to Hebrews associating with gentiles, but are we free to eat shellfish and pork or was that only a metephor? I have always assumed that the law stands every bit as relevant today as before Christ in alignment with His own words. I have also understood that we are free to eat pork and the like because of His proclamation to Paul. I am no scholar and am open to rebuke.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thanks for reaching out, and I really appreciate the question. In my opinion, Peter's vision in Acts 10 does not abolish the food laws. Here is a short video explaining my take on that passage, along with Mark 7 and Romans 14: davidwilber.com/videos/should-christians-keep-the-bibles-food-laws For something more scholarly, here is a video where I read an excerpt from a paper by Dr. Jason Staples. I also linked to the paper in the video: davidwilber.com/videos/dr-jason-staples-on-peters-vision-in-acts-10

[@PoppyPoppy-n4h]

Ezekiel 45:22 the prince will offer a sin sacrifice for himself and the nation. The mashiach will offer a bull for his (unintentional) sin

[@jperez7893]

this is the difference between the apostolic churches and the protestants. the apostolic churches rightfully believe that they have ceaselessly continued the mandatory sacrifices to YHWH since pentecost of 33 AD. the bread and wine offering, the incense offering and the blood offering of the lamb mandated by YHWH was never ever abolished. it is also for this reason, that the phrase that jesus never abolished the law but fulfilled it finds its fulfilment in the inauguration of the new covenant with the sacrifice of calvary, with jesus as the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, becoming both the passover lamb and the tamid offering. the old testament is but a shadow of the new. since the protestants do not believe that bread and wine does not truly become the flesh and blood of our saviour jesus christ, therefore, the requirement of the blood sacrifice required by YHWH in perpetuity can never be satisfied by neither the protestants nor the jews. the establishment and expansion of the kingdom of God is in prophecy and has been fulfilled and is being fulfilled. so is the fulfillment of the old covenant with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and the final loss of all hope of any revival of the priesthood and sacrifice with the fall of masada on passover of 73 AD and the destruction of the jewish temple of onias in heliopolis also in 73 AD. all of these, 40 years after the crucifixion of the messiah on passover of 33 AD

[@pharaohcaesar]

You don't understand the difference between the Law of Sin and Death and the Law of Grace. You're right that the Law of Sin and Death was not cancelled. If we fail to follow the Law of Grace than we fall under the Law of Sin and Death. However if we follow the Law of Grace than we are no longer under the Law of Sin and Death.

[@pastordavidberman2091]

Yes, it totally topples the idea of how you interpret that passes the scripture. You say all of the law is intact, but it is not. We don’t do animal sacrifice anymore and if we did, we would be sitting terribly against the Lord.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Were the apostles sinning terribly against the Lord by repeatedly participating in the temple service and sacrificial system throughout the Book of Acts?

[@bawbjusbawb6471]

@@DavidWilberBlog Crickets...

[@DM-3956]

Jerusalem was not unified under a single leader but was home to several Jewish factions. The Zealots, the Pharisees, and the Sadducees all waged a 3 way civil war inside the walls of Jerusalem at the same time the Romans were besieging and attacking the City. Source: eye witness account by Flavius Josephus or Yosef ben Mattityahu historian and military leader, (c. 37 - c. 100). A question is raised in my mind. Was it not God's will that the Temple was destroyed? Perhaps to preclude further animal sacrifice because the continued rejecting of Yahushua Ha Mashiach as the final sacrifice for ALL sin. "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Yahushua Ha Mashiach the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." (1 John 2: 1-2)

[@debblouin]

The solace for me is that there will not be another temple. The church is the temple of the living God. No new temple, no reestablished sacrificial system. The Israel you seek is the remnant who believes in Jesus. The one you seem to be chasing after as law keepers don’t actually and can’t actually keep the law.

[@Psalm37-]

Nice Globe in the background.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thank you. Grabbed it from the local thrift shop for a dollar.

[@tkinnc1]

What dispensationalists fail to distinguish between ceremonial and salvific. The animal sacrifices are or were for those living in "the land." They do not provide forgiveness of sins they served as prophetic shadow pictures and meat for the levites.

[@danasalomon3721]

The sacrifices are not all for the same purpose. The Atonement sacrifice is offered once a year in the Holiest Place/ Holy of Holies. It is offered once a year directly to Yahweh for the sins against God. The other sacrifices are offered daily in obedience to Yahweh's instructions, in order to cover sins against one another. To sin against one another is one category of sinning against Yahweh which is continual as long as we are awaiting resurrection bodies, in likeness of Yeshua who lives the Law perfectly.

[@seanvann1747]

May I ask you if you have been forgiven and completely pardoned by God of all your sins? Thanks 👍

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Yes! Praise God for the Gospel!

[@seanvann1747]

@@DavidWilberBlog Amazing! So this means you are also presently justified correct? Thanks 👍

[@spirit-and-truth]

Thank you for your work brother . David there is alot of belivers in Yeshua that keep torah that speak only spanish im sure your videos would bring more knowledge to our borthers and sisters in the spanish community

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Translating some of this material is definitely something I need to look into eventually. Thanks!