Sinclair QL - RAM Repair and Minerva ROM (Part 1)

[@spudhead169]

Those pin headers in the same holes like that was a brilliant idea.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Yeah, it saved me so much uncomfortable soldering trying to bridge 28 adjacent sets of pins!

[@jameshearne891]

@@NoelsRetroLab Be careful using the square pin headers in IC sockets , they can stretch the contacts in the IC socket and then when you put the original chip back it doesn't make proper contact. I prefer to use the round turned pin headers for this sort of adaptor, like the socket strips you had but pins on both sides. They will also fit in turned pin sockets which the square pins wont.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

@@jameshearne891 Good point. It was a tight fit in the sockets and the ROMs felt that they went in really easy after that, so they definitely stretched some.

[@eekee6034]

@@NoelsRetroLab Stripboard would also save on soldering, but I don't know if they make it with vias. It was single-sided when I last used it. Anyway, using the same holes was cool.

[@GrannyDryden]

I love it when Noel's like 'Come on Sinclair' when it comes to the cost-cutting measures Sinclair took to penny pinch and undercut their competitors to build their product.

[@oisnowy5368]

I can't wait until we get to Marchimedes. All march, all Acorn Archimedes.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Ooohhh, I'd be down for that! Only problem is... I need to get an Archimedes first! 😳

[@GadgetUK164]

Lovely to see both QL's working again =D

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Thanks! Yes, glad it was an easy fix for once. Nice warm up to a new-to-me system 😃

[@luisluiscunha]

That was wonderful to see: just like seeing a reliable doctor operating on a patient we care about!

[@brendanreuben6162]

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[@JohnSweevo]

Noel, you never cease to amaze me

[@disfabrication]

Hey Noel, Im an engineering student over in America. Love your channel and your videos make me want to get into this hobby. Keep up the good work, i always look forward to your videos

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Thanks! I'm really happy to hear that. Don't hesitate and get started. It's really fun and rewarding!

[@BertGrink]

Hey Cameron, I agree with Noel, but be prepared to spend a lot of time sourcing your retro stuff, and also to have to pay good money for it. For example, I spent the better part of 2019 finding a Commodore 128D, a monitor, printer, RAM expansion unit, cables, diskettes, extra disk drive, and other paraphernalia, which ended up costing me around a thousand dollars (USD) in total. Also be aware that there's always a risk that what you buy (on e.g. ebay) may not always be working properly; so far I have been lucky in that respect: all my retro gear i've bought over the last 9 to 10 years has been in good working order.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

@@BertGrink Sure, but that's if you want some really specific/expensive stuff. There's plenty of retro stuff that's really cheap. Since he's looking to get into it and probably repair things, if things don't work or aren't tested, that's even better 😃 People give it out some stuff for free or very inexpensively because there's so much of it (for example, ZX Spectrums here in Spain), and that's perfect to learn with.

[@moshly64]

I recently fixed an Apple II+ clone that had all the memory soldered in, I used the thermocouple on my multimeter with a bit of heatsink grease. I let all the chips warm up and noted all the temperatures and found that 1 of the chips was COLDER than all the rest ~8c. Replace the chip & fixed it. It's not always the hot chip that's faulty. Also: the ROM socket is now potentially faulty, you have stretched the leaf springs by inserting the machine pin socket pins. I recommend you replace them.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Very interesting! I wonder what the output looked like on that IC.

[@moshly64]

@@NoelsRetroLab There was nothing obvious using the scope. I believe it may have had faulty CAS/RAS inputs or open VCC to some internal parts making it not do anything. Just to clarify they were 4116 DRAMs all same make & date code, once warmed up they all were 36 to 38c except for the faulty one at around 29c.

[@RM-pn5tq]

Tip about removing the ICS without a desolider. Cut the IC pins and remove. Put lots of flux on the remaining legs and use pincers and the iron to remove one leg at a time. After this again flux and this time heat the hole and use a cocktail stick to rotate the hole open. Remove the iron and it stay open ready for the socket with no damage or stress :)

[@gogee8510]

Oh how I love these computers. Had one when it was first released in the UK. Even today, it still looks a beauty.

[@FernandoelChachi]

Great job. That board you've made was extremely useful.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Thank you very much! 😃👍

[@markb232]

Hi Noel, Thanks very much for releasing these excellent videos, I have learned so much from you. I have now just completed my first ever computer repair, RAM chips on a 48k Spectrum, I would not have attempted it without first being shown so much by you. Keep up the great work :)

[@NoelsRetroLab]

I'm really glad to hear that!! It's great when my videos inspire people to do it themselves! Keep it up!

[@HappyLittleDiodes]

Thanks Noel. Just got my first QL in so I'll be servicing it, luckily it boots out of the box

[@gertsy2000]

Great job Noel. 2 QLs back from the brink.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Thanks!

[@metalheadmalta]

Excellent intro to QL repair... thinking of getting one!

[@NoelsRetroLab]

You should! It's a really interesting device that keeps getting better with time.

[@christiancarassai9540]

Nice repair. This computer was unknown to me. Looking forward for the next video with ql

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Thanks! Yes, more coming soon. I'm enjoying the QL so far.

[@spokehedz]

Wow. I have watched a LOT of videos on these old microcomputers, and I have never heard of this computer AT ALL!

[@NoelsRetroLab]

It was a bit obscure and didn't make a splash with the 8-bit home computer crowd. At the time I only vaguely heard of it to be honest.

[@pvc988]

You can make simple inverter using 1 transistor and 2 resistors. Or, even simpler, 1 MOSFET and 1 resistor. That would easily fit inside the chip socket or on top of the chip (for more permanent mounting).

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Yes, it just goes to show my background that I'm more comfortable with an inverter IC than setting up the transistor 😃 But you're totally right.

[@suvetar]

Personally, I think it's fascinating that the green and red power up hash pattern was almost identical between both boards! Guess I'm just used to expecting random garbage out of memory at first ... presuming it is sourced from RAM, I'm only 10 minutes in so far but loving your approach Noel! Edit: That same display using Q-Emulator is notably different! Must say, I love these kinds of puzzles (so to speak!)... Possibly relevant to someone, you should note that the Interrupt control on the 68008 is different too, just two pins and the ordering might be different on the legs ... IANAE Ymmv etc 😀

[@griftereck]

My mum was at a jumble sale, at the village hall. Back in the mid 90s. She knew I was keen on computers. So got me a QL. Was boxed. had some microdrives. It did work. But the microdrives were a bit unreliable. Hey it is a sinclair. Think I just put it in storage. As was more interested in 8 bit computers

[@NoelsRetroLab]

My heart lies in 8-bit computers as well, but this seems like a fun system to explore. Next episode I'll focus on microdrives, so that should be fun.

[@10p6]

It is interesting the cost cutting things Sinclair did with the QL like the Microdrive connectors, yet they included a very expensive expansion port connector when it should have just been a edge connector, and the socketed chips when they could have just been soldiered in.

[@jagc1969]

This was one of the most enjoyable videos I have seen. Very good job indeed.

[@deviljelly3]

Very keen to see a power supply build, I need a replacement for my QL

[@NoelsRetroLab]

I am too... but it's looking pretty complicated. It won't happen for this month, but it's something I'll keep in the list and try in the future.

[@GSimpsonOAM]

Here is a vid adapting an ATX supply kzbin.info/www/bejne/ommzaaqpmc92fNE

[@TotoGuy-Original]

look forward to the next one

[@Samuel-ge7im]

Hey Noel good to see you again. I hope all is well.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

I remember my father having one of these when I was young. It was mostly something curious to him though as he had Sparcststions in the same shed as the ql along with an xt!

[@roybixby6135]

A fascinating computer. Unbeatable value when it was released. If I wasn't still programming for CP/M at the time then I would have bought one. Pity about the microdrive system. Those sockets resemble thew ill fated SIPs...

[@ElectronGordo]

Oh Oh Oh... Sinclair QL... a treasure.

[@raymondheath7668]

Wow, that was some information. Your test ROM seemed to work great

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Thanks! Yes, that ROM was great. I plan to explore it as the replacement OS in the future too. I'm told it's much better than the original OS.

[@kins749]

Great work, always interested in the QL

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Great to hear! Thanks!

[@Lucretia9000]

I remember when these came out, I think it was Boots who had these on display, or Smiths. Didn't know they were 68000 based until years later.

[@rimmersbryggeri]

That motherboard connector reminds me of some I have seen in audio recievers. Not identical but similarly obtuse.

[@HuntersMoon78]

Subbed, this content is so interesting

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Awesome, thank you!

[@andrewdunbar828]

As soon as you said "not one but two QLs" it was time for your upvote (-:

[@douro20]

ICL produced a rather rare variant of the QL called the "One Per Desk" which had a built-in telephone as well as a voice-capable V.23 modem which allowed it to answer phone calls and provide interactive menus to callers with its onboard speech synthesizer. It was developed in cooperation with BT and was marketed by them as the Merlin Tonto and by Telecom Australia as the Computerphone.

[@eebaker699]

Great video! Good troubling shooting techniques.😁

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@RetroDream]

Fascinating stuff, thank you.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@CooChewGames]

Also, there is a great maintenance guide from Sinclair that is online on the disassembly and assembly of the machine.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Haha, I should have started there I suppose! I'm used to just opening them up, but never had this much trouble with a computer before.

[@bigalejoshileno]

Excess long undamped CS, RAS and CAS lines in dram chips causes this types of ram burning. That's the why some computers put mild resistors over CS to prevent ringing

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Really?? I often wondered what makes DRAM so fragile. When you mean undamped are you referring to ringing around the top of the raising edge? Why would it cause failure, because it triggers transistors inside multiple times as the signal oscillates? Fascinating.

[@bigalejoshileno]

@@NoelsRetroLab Precisely. The longer lines tend to develop inductance and this, combined with high frequencies can cause undershoots and overshoots that eventually burn the input transistors or make the part collide with some other device in the bus. This is a pretty know issue and there are lots of possible mitigations. There was some extra info in old National instruments Databooks. Also, this explains the "per board profiles" needed for the FPGA Memory controller IP's. (Compensate delays and timings mostly)

[@bobbus_74]

The QL was available in so many shops here in the UK in the eighties, but until this day I've never known anyone that actually bought one. I think they were trying to be a serious business machine but they just didn't cut it. They weren't cheap enough for the home user as the Spectrums were (and there were pretty much no games made for them) so they didn't really appeal to either market. The QL was a costly exercise for Sinclair and they never really recovered from the losses.

[@bobbus_74]

@Apple yeah Sinclair really didn't want the QL to go along the gaming route. Trouble was, anyone looking for a "business machine" overlooked the QL too. It didn't look professional enough and it still had a similar keyboard to the dodgy Spectrum + one. The decision to go with Microdrives instead of floppy disks was arguably a poor decision too.

[@bradkamrath]

Great video as always, Noel!

[@jeffm2787]

Good video. I'm sure you know the 'laser' thermometer is just an IR thermometer with a laser pointer. I hear 'laser thermometer' very often in KZbin video's. Not sure how many people think the laser actually measures the temperature.

[@ernestuz]

Great! I wanted one when I was a child, luckly my parents didn't buy one for me :o) A little trivia: It was Linus Torvalds (creator of Linux) first computer.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Haha, you missed your chance of being the creator of Linux! :-)

[@ernestuz]

@@NoelsRetroLab Lol, I could get one now and be the SECOND creator of Linux, whatever that means ;oP Those machines have a reputation of being unreliable, not only because the microdrive, also the firmware was plagued by bugs, and you have seen the construction quality. Apparently they were rushed to the market in an early state. Good job, as entertaining as the 8bit guy, keep on it.

[@M0UAW_IO83]

@@NoelsRetroLab I think there was a version of Minix for the QL?

[@M0UAW_IO83]

@@ernestuz Like everything Sinclair did, rushed, full of bugs, crap quality, over promised, under delivered and unreliable. It's a miracle any of them survived :) I saw one of the first in the UK at a local computer club (I also saw one of the first Mac machines in the UK at the same club)

[@ernestuz]

@@M0UAW_IO83 Oh, Minix, had forgotten it, I remember it from College, and yes, googling for it, apparently there was a version for the QL.

[@CyberhugTechnologies]

The color of the screen that ends up with (green or white) when booted - might be an indication of the lower or upper RAM failure you think? this could be a starting point to investigate - Great job btw :-)

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Interesting! It didn't occur to me. I'd be surprised if the technical manual didn't mention that when they explicitly called out white and green, but who knows! If I had more chips socketed I could try running some experiments 😃

[@CyberhugTechnologies]

@@NoelsRetroLab Thank you! I will start with my QL which comes up the same way (white) for starters :-) Keep it up please!

[@Brettski777]

Great looking machines. Shame Sinclair didnt make them to be compatible with Spectrum Software. Great vid Noel . Look forward to the next chapter .

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

Possible it may have been more popular if they had at least had some level of compatibility.

[@Derundurel]

@@bionicgeekgrrl It probably would have been a popular feature, but unfortunately that would have meant sticking with the Z80. Adding a Z80 along with the 68008 to the QL would have pushed up the cost, and as you can see, this is a very cost-conscious product!

[@Derundurel]

@Apple You are right, of course. I did work on a z8000 system once - part of a flight simulator - but that was the only application I came across for it. Sinclair would almost certainly have ruled out anything 16-bit on cost grounds. Zilog are still around, and still selling Z80s, amazingly!

[@chirchir8126]

This belongs to a time period when breaking compatibility was not as tremedous as today. The same year, Apple shipped Lisa and Macintosh with zero compatibility with the Apple ][ as well.

[@petermcilroy1176]

I used to have one and upgraded it to 896k of RAM and a Minerva ROM. It’s a pity Alan Sugar dropped it when he bought Sinclair Research. I suppose he found it too difficult to reengineer to add a proper disk drive and keyboard.

[@RM-pn5tq]

On my IBM 5150 I tested the 4164 ICS by piggy backing a good one on top one by one. It helped me find a bad one stopping the pc from booting, it might also work here with ql memory issues

[@ernesteer4778]

Muy interesante este video, gracias por compartir tus conocimientos.

[@minombredepila1580]

Another fine video from Noel just on time at the end of a terrible day at work. I wonder if we will have a #DECember next month :-) That would be a challenge too, but nothing that Noel could not solve ;-)

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Thanks! There's the possibility of a #XXXcember but I haven't confirmed anything yet 😃

[@WacKEDmaN]

nice job Noel!.. them connectors had me face palming, here i am thinkin Sugar was scruge! seems Clive had that covered!

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Seriously! That was seriously cheap! That's only a minor step up from the hot-glued ribbon cables of the SVI 328/728!

[@bytemyassembler8023]

Later QL revisions (probably starting when Samsung took over production) have proper connectors there

[@PJBonoVox]

@@NoelsRetroLab You gonna replace them with a proper connector?

[@speedsterh]

@@PJBonoVox I was wondering the same

[@NoelsRetroLab]

@@PJBonoVox I hadn't thought of that, but it would be a good idea! Although I'm more concerned about the microdrive connectors than the LED ones. I might try something on my QL.

[@AppliedCryogenics]

While you're in there, can you expand the data bus past 8-bits, increase the color palette beyond 8, and maybe bugfix the Microdrives and add rudimentary sound? The QL is just so close to greatness.. it just needs a few tweaks.

[@cliffroesli5246]

Thank you .. very educational and usefull

[@NoelsRetroLab]

You are welcome!

[@Vanders456]

Love the fact they rev'd the board but didn't include a fix for the ULA bodge.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Haha, very true! I guess that would require making a new ULA design and would cost money!

[@ericpaul4575]

No the plan was probably to fix the ULA at some point, so they did not want to change the boards to fix the broken ULAs.

[@jirivanruyteghem7497]

Mijn eerste computer 🙂

[@KolliRail]

Well, that was quite easy!

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Nice for a change. Especially with a completely new-to-me machine like this one.

[@abeagley492]

Do you have a link to any diagrams for the wiring and which pins are not connected through the PCB? Wanting to build this up but a bit tricky to see exactly which pins are not soldered or connected. Thanks.

[@datasoftinc]

Very beautiful machine

[@tenmillionvolts]

Those push in wire connectors were common in audio during the 90s for cost saving. Terrible to work with. One of the reasons I gave up audio repairs. You could only disconnect a few times before the connector broke or the wire end unraveled. I have shouted many curse words at them over the years!

[@theplateisbad1332]

These El Cheapo connectors are testament how expensive microelectronics were way back when, and how cutthroat the Homecomputer market was.

[@sa3270]

10 cents was worth a lot more back then than it is today.

[@MacSociety]

Awesome video!!!

[@stephenlittle7534]

Interesting I still have mine but have never touch it for some time now. And as I packed the boxes to move house some 14 years ago. Wow has it been that long. Sorry about that. I might try and find it . Looking to see what you make out of them. I was always working on spreadsheets and info for my job.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Time to take them out and try them. Maybe you're lucky, and if not, it could likely just be a RAM problem like these. Do it! 😃

[@stephenlittle7534]

@@NoelsRetroLab yer. Thanks for that. 😄

[@frankiii9165]

If there’s a QLvember I would want a Maycintosh too :) m68k gang rules!

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Don't worry, I suspect we'll soon have a month booked for a different system 😃

[@synaesthesia2010]

sinclair were all about building down to a price, which is why you found connections you weren't familiar with, they would have used the cheapest parts they could find

[@SteveInScotland]

Who signed off on all those connectors, they are the weirdest things I’ve ever seen in my work in electronics especially that case one with the loose wires, like you say imagine the savings in time in production if it were just a regular push fit connector! Who even made that kind of connector?! Never seen one before. Those Microdrive wires, push and pray I call them. The sad thing about the QL is there was a saleable, value for money winning machine buried in a pile of junk, such a missed opportunity.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Right? Right??? 😃

[@nebularain3338]

Those microdrive slots would house an SD card reader rather nicely. Just need to replace the 68008 with the better version and it'd be a decent machine.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

They certainly would fit nicely there!

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

I think you need to cover the quartz window on the EPROM to stop the EPROM being erased.

[@eekee6034]

I was thinking that too. I once tried to make a PCB by the UV-resist method. I didn't have a UV light, so I used sunlight. I expected not to get enough UV light, so I waited longer than I thought. The PCB was over-exposed.

[@frankiii9165]

Me gustaría experimentar lo que es picar un texto largo en el QL.

[@BertGrink]

Hey Noel, when you built that ROM adapter on perfboard, i was thinking, wouldn't it have been possible to place the Inverter IC inside the footprint of the ROM? If so, the board could probably have been made much smaller. Perhaps that might be worth considering, should you decide to install the Minerva ROM permanently?

[@WacKEDmaN]

yup i had the same thought... and solder the wires on the bottom..

[@NoelsRetroLab]

For sure! That's the smallest size board I had around, but if I make one from scratch (which could be interesting) I can do that, or even use an SMD inverter (or a transistor) and put it under the EPROM but still on the top side.

[@BertGrink]

@@NoelsRetroLab yeah, a transistor should actually be quite sufficient.

[@ericpaul4575]

A Dremel will cut that board down in no time at all.

[@robindow5742]

keep th e minerva ram and replace the keyboard ic with a hermese chip a much better and more stable combination at one time i had 2 qls one with 740 k memory and the other with a miracle systems gold card which i think was a full megabyte which had a floppy disk interface i seem to remember that miracle systems also did a 4 megabyte card called the super gold card regards from Scotland on a dull dreary November day

[@BertGrink]

Yeah, that Hermes does look like a worthwhile replacement: www.sellmyretro.com/offer/details/2448

[@NoelsRetroLab]

I'll definitely be exploring the default OS and the Minerva ROM. I might make it into a more permanent solution since I hear it's pretty good. I've also ordered a vDriveQL, so that will be fun to play with! Is the Hermes chip really necessary? Is it mostly about the keyboard de-bouncing?

[@BertGrink]

@@NoelsRetroLab According to the description in the link i posted, the Hermes also permits baud rates of up to 19200 on the serial ports, as well as different baud rates on each port. The different baud rates are only available with the Minerva ROM installed, by the way.

[@robindow5742]

@@NoelsRetroLab it sorted sinclairs odd networking i used to be a member of sqlug and we netwoked as many qls as members who attended meetings without the hermese chip i mostly refused to work

[@chainq68k]

10 cents investment in better connectors would have caused Sinclair to go bankrupt even faster... :D Nice repairs Noel! Looking forward to more #QLvember content, and maybe even other 68k based machines on the long run... :)

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Haha! Or maybe more people would have bought the machines and they wouldn't have gone bankrupt! 😃

[@BertGrink]

Sir Clive should just have refrained from making his C5 electric tricycle - that disaster was a major cause of his comapny's downfall; at least that's what i think.

[@captaincorleone7088]

@@BertGrink The C5 and QL, which I remember being described in the computer press at the time as a "fiasco" both helped to contribute to the demise of Sinclair Research. It was reported that Sugar got Sinclair Research for a fraction of its actual value.

[@BertGrink]

@@captaincorleone7088 Yes, with _both_ the C5 _and_ the QL, it spelled doom for Sinclair, but i wonder if it hadn't been for the C5, if he could have kept going long enough to make the QL moderately successful. And yeah, Alan Sugar got the company for peanuts, I think he paid around 5 million £ for the whole deal, and there was unsold stock in the warehouses at least worth that amount, from what i have heard.

[@captaincorleone7088]

@@BertGrink That's correct, £5m and the company was valued around at least £15m. IIRC it was reported at the time that Sugar essentially got that unsold stock at £1 each! I agree with you about the C5: that thing was slated in the press, it was a public relations disaster! At the time I was a kid but I still remember how savage the media coverage was.

[@lordchippers]

Is it me or is the original IC15 on issue 6 discoloured? My eye was drawn to that chip originally and strangely it's the defective one...

[@NoelsRetroLab]

True! Surprisingly, I didn't notice while I was working on it, but it looks like about half the test was somewhat faded/erased. I wonder why.

[@konturgestalter]

Does it matter if you would use an EEPROM or EPROM? The one you have in this video seems not to be available anymore (at least I didn't find a reasonable priced one). And newer EEPROMs seem to be only available in 8DIP version. What do you recommend?

[@NoelsRetroLab]

It shouldn't matter if they have similar pinouts. I don't usually use EEPROMs, so I don't remember off the top of my head, but if they do, that'd be fine. However, 27CXXX EPROMs should be very easily available everywhere for pretty cheap. It doesn't matter too much if they're 256 or 512 as long as they're big enough (you can duplicate the data inside if you want).

[@FullMetalFab]

Nice adapter board, another way you can make that board is with wire wrap headers.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

True! I don't have any but I just looked them up and that would also work well.

[@AlphasysNl]

If a small low-pincount chip is named a PAL, it has usually NOTHING to do with the video signal of the same name, but it's an acronym for Programmable Array Logic.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Sure, but if you're talking about the MC1733P, that really is a PAL encoder 😃 Or was there another PAL on the board and I got confused somehow?

[@elfenmagix8173]

Excellent! Learned a lot though the basic principle is the same.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Great to hear!

[@adilsongoliveira]

Weird they placed that microcontroller at the border of the board. We usually avoid that like heck as restricts the pathways we have available for the tracks.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Yes, the whole layout is a bit weird, even with the CPU off to the side like that. But at least that's next to the expansion bus, so that kind of makes sense. The board is also super crammed, so they were working with some big constraints (maybe from design first).

[@frankowalker4662]

I wish mine was that easy to fix. You could make a fortune selling those ROM boards. LOL.

[@MrFlint51]

Do you know that QL stands for Quantum Leap? Sir Clive tried to market this as a 32 bit computer (leaping from 8 bit straight to 32 bit; he actually appeared in the TV adverts jumping over a pile of computers) How did he arrive at 32 bit? Perhaps by adding 24 address lines and 8 data lines?

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Yeah, I've seen that commercial. Hilarious! Maybe at first they were going to put a 68K CPU. Not sure. I'll get into that a bit more in the next video.

[@chirchir8126]

No, he arrived at 32 with what really matters: the CPU registers (all 32bits, including the program counter, even though the physical addressing could only offer 20 lines). How IBM arrived at 16 bits for the 8088 is a real mystery, however. The bus was 8 bits and it could only address pages of 64KB at a time just like a Z80... Or maybe the Z80 was 16 bits all along and the Zilog marketing department was incompetent?

[@ElectronGordo]

Noel, after your video I decided to buy one QL, Spanish version Issue5 ooooooh not the last :) that my hands over it right now, ready to open it. I have the white Screen, so I guess it is a RAM chip. :) so double thank you... just... Where is the scheme to built a minerva board?

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Nice!! Yes, that looks like it's a RAM chip, so it should be pretty easy. No scheme, just follow the graphic I showed in the video. Or send me a message and I can send you close up pictures if you want. It's just 3 pins that are different, so it should be pretty easy to make.

[@KJohansson]

1:10 - not just the powerbrick, what was *not wierd* about the QL? ;)

[@TaberBucknell]

I wondered ... What’s the blue tape for? Rewind a bit a of couple of times ... oh, I see ... antigravity. 🙂 Question ... Do you know why Sinclair did not use a power switch? It seems like an odd thing to cost reduce.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Haha, I see you figured it out. It can come in really handy some times! The switch... mostly to save a few pennies I suppose. Someone mentioned that in the UK every wall plug needs to have a switch and that was the reason, but it seems a bit of a stretch.

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

I wonder are there FPGA replacements for the SINCLAIR QL ULA's?

[@MarcKloos]

Linux founder Linus Torvalds used to have a QL!

[@anks888]

did you ground or pull high the rest of the gates on the inverter. if you leave them flapping in the breeze thats exactly what they do and cause noise

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Interesting. No I left them flapping in the wind. Do they really cause noise on the one gate I connected? More than if they were switching following some other logic? When I make a more permanent board I'll make sure they're grounded.

[@anks888]

@@NoelsRetroLab it's probably not a issue but it's good practice I've had issues that had me stumped for ages because I used to leave them floating but I talking more high speed things another idea is to tie them all together as one big gate

[@michaelturner4457]

I remember fitting a Minerva ROM in my QL in 1991. Are people still trying to use these things now in 2020?

[@NoelsRetroLab]

They're more fun now than they were back then! 😃

[@karolwojtyla3047]

Great work Noel! BTW SinclairQL was for Sinclair Labs big mistake and make a trouble for a company. Regards!

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Totally. Probably the main reason they ended up folding and selling to Amstrad.

[@xXTheoLinuxXx]

@@NoelsRetroLab I believe that the C5 was the main reason. Clive put a lot of 'computermoney' in that project and it was a disaster.

[@chirchir8126]

@@xXTheoLinuxXx Funny to see that 40 years later, the big tech companies are trying to push for the same areas that Sinclair foresaw beyond home computers himself : the car, the watch, the TV.

[@xXTheoLinuxXx]

@@chirchir8126 true. Sir Clive had a lot of good ideas and was a visionair back in the day. He spend a fortune because he thought electric vehicles were the future. Besides electric cars we now have a lot of e-bikes in The Netherlands.

[@jayjtee]

I would guess the reason that Sinclair computers originally didn't have power switches is that in the UK, all wall outlets are forced to be switched by law. So you were supposed to just turn them on/off at the wall.

[@captaincorleone7088]

Sir Clive was just a cheapskate. :) Other UK contemporary computers had power switches. His entire business strategy was to cut corners in order to cut costs wherever possible. There's another video Noel did which showed that Sinclair bought up faulty RAM because the Spectrum wouldn't even need the full capacity anyway. :D

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Oh wow! I had no idea, but that would certainly explain it a bit better. Are the switches next to the outlets, or are they like the light switch as you enter a door?

[@jayjtee]

Next to the outlet on the wall

[@M0UAW_IO83]

Unfortunately that's not true, sockets aren't 'forced to be switched by law' at all. As Corleone says, the reason was probably that Clive Sinclair was just too cheap to fit switches or buy full spec components, he had long history with buying factory reject parts for his products and it wasn't limited to the computers.

[@jayjtee]

@@M0UAW_IO83 Sorry, my mistake. A better way of phrasing it may have been "nearly always have a switch". I agree he was a cheapskate, even if this was part of his reasoning, it was a thin excuse at best!

[@GORF_EMPIRE]

Wow the ol' 68008. That means the QL had to make 4 accesses just to read/write a 32 bit value. Ouch! But nonetheless.... still a more powerful processor than the older 8 bits and I'd put my money on the 68008 over and equivalent 8088 or 8086 any day at even twice the clock.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Yeah, that bus is a huge bottleneck. I'm surprised Sinclair didn't go for a 16-bit bus. It must have been much more expensive I suppose.

[@chirchir8126]

@@NoelsRetroLab Motorola aimed the 68008 at manufacturers who wanted to save a few pennies, because it needed fewer lines and thus motherboards could be smaller and cheaper to design much like the 8bit motherboards of the time. They were just imitating what Intel did by introducing the 8088 time after the 8086 was released, for the same reasons. In the end, it became more expensive for Motorola to manufacture the 68008 than the 68000 (lower economies of scale) so they stopped producing it quickly.

[@CooChewGames]

Haha - I had exactly the same experience removing those wires :-D

[@NedTheUndead]

1:30 serious business styled hardware. Sony fans: is that a Playstation?

[@tommyovesen]

Nice video. Thanks Noel. That small vice, you have link to that ?

[@NoelsRetroLab]

You're welcome. Glad you liked it! It's a PanaVise 201. Love it! www.panavise.com/index.html?pageID=1&page=full&--eqskudatarq=1

[@FernandoelChachi]

I'm wondering if it's possible to change that so hot 7805 regulator with a cooler modern replacement. It's just that I don't like things running so hot if you've got more (sometimes a bit of expensive) options.

[@NoelsRetroLab]

I'm sure it is. We just need to figure out the current rating for it. I suspect 1A might not be enough.

[@FernandoelChachi]

@@NoelsRetroLab Searching I find this: blog.tynemouthsoftware.co.uk/2014/11/zx-spectrum-voltage-regulator.html qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2117 This delivers 1.5A: www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/OKI-78SR-5/1.5-W36H-C/3438675

[@NoelsRetroLab]

@@FernandoelChachi Thanks for tracking that down. I might have to look into getting one of those :-)

[@FernandoelChachi]

@@NoelsRetroLab That will be very nice if it can do the job.

[@Nukle0n]

7:11 The diagram shows a 6808? Is that an error in editing or in the diagram? Also refers to "MC6800"

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Wow, I didn't even notice! That's an error in the datasheet itself! Notice that it's correct in the footer text, but not on the IC itself. Good catch!

[@nexpro6985]

10 cents on the BOM was a big deal for Sinclair.

[@klydes-korner]

Noel, What I usually use is this kind of vero board: ebay.us/1XN1eu this way you don't have to solder all the traces. But a very good idea to solder the pin headers in the same holes...

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Right! That makes sense. I guess you'd need two different ones, one of each half of the EPROM, right? I should have a few of those in hand. Thanks for the tip.

[@chirchir8126]

The link is dead. Can someone explain what he was kind of stripboard he was going to show?

[@HAGSLAB]

Wow, those connectors 😅

[@NoelsRetroLab]

Seriously! What were they thinking???

[@HAGSLAB]

@@NoelsRetroLab Must have been a PITA to assemble in the factory.

[@Synthematix]

Had one of these for 2 days, i put a hammer through it, these were the most bodged together computers ive ever seen in my life, absolutely hideous, and in no way shape or form could it compete with the commodore64

[@williamsquires3070]

The “extra” chip at the lower-right of the board would have to be the keyboard encoder, as there’s none on the flat-flex in the keyboard itself. It’s probably similar to the AY-3-3600 found in early IBM PCs (and clones) that had the older 5-pin DIN connector. It may also handle a joystick or game controller (if any were ever made for this computer.)

[@Terkzorr]

You said you are a game developer and you wear a Steam Dev Days shirt. Do you sell games on Steam? It would be a nice way for me to support you. :-)