Sindhi Nationalism, Mohajir Identity, PPP and the 18th Amendment - Asma Faiz -

[@awaisb7750]

Great podcast! Do a podcast on linguistics issues of Pakistan there are great intellectuals in Sindh University, English department who would love to discuss with you.

[@yetanotheropinion.843]

So Sindhi nationalism is good for Pakistan but Indian nationalism is bad for the region ?

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

Always depends upon the content

[@shashankjha8851]

Not about good or bad, more about what's more crucial. The nation state concept in the sub-continent is not even a century old. Feelings of Sindhi nationalism make more sense for everyone who's a Sindhi, since that identity is millennia-old.

[@muddi900]

There is no Indian nation. There is not Pakistani nation.

[@GG-ur4km]

​@@muddi900 But there is indian nation and there is Pakistan as nation as of today, but nothing as sindi aur Punjabi or anything valuable in Pakistan if they are then I m not seeing it. You may can?

[@crimsoncrysolite5056]

​@@shashankjha8851Dude,I agree the concept of nation states itself is bad. But I can surely name 2 apartheid nation states right along India's borders. They've marginalized their minorities to the point where the minorities have no representation or culture left.

[@gourishankersivaramakrishn4766]

I am as a south Indian Tamilian feel that most of Pakistani intellectuals knowledge of post independent India is woefully wrong because their source of information is biased (either western media or official Pakistani narrative)I strongly advice that they confine their discussion to Pakistan matters.

[@atulspeaks]

that is an accurate statement . most guests have a nuanced view of indian matters which reflects low ground level knowledge.

[@aaziz1271]

Can you give example of gross inaccuracies?

[@Sha-sv6sq]

And the Indians have an impartial and non biased views😂😂😂 as a human I feel most Indians belive bollywood theatrics and star plus drama

[@ShaukatAli-kb6rb]

Yes,you're 100% right.

[@ShaukatAli-kb6rb]

My opinion is that there is a crisis of intellectual in punjabistan.All so called intellectuals are fake.

[@jasha9sandhu]

Sad but true. Pakistani Punjabi Musalman - only people in the history of the world, across the geography of the world - who banned their own Mothertongue Punjabi - purportedly to become more "pure/elite Muslim"

[@harisrafi3932]

Bhai ye cheez bilkul true hai likin ab doobara punjabi ka use bohut zayada barh gaya hai

[@amitaarya1457]

Listening to her motivates me to get back in research!!

[@Krieky]

It is always great to listen to subject matter experts like this guest flex their muscles on a topic like nationalism. Loved this discussion. Made me wiser about the ethnic groups in Pakistan and the approach of smaller states there as they fight the federal system for their rights but also to protect their cultural identities. India appears to be in a slightly better position with its states since they were originally formed on linguistic / cultural lines (and the 3 languages formula in education), but the rise of state parties here continues to underline the fact that at a state level, people still trust their own, homegrown political entities to fight their battles better than national parties.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@mariamtee]

46:14 yes Faiz sahab said it about 1947. ‘Hum keh thehre Ajnabee’ was about the fall of Dhaka albeit written in 1974 after a visit to Bangladesh.

[@88akak]

Madam Asma is a treat to hear , articulate and academically sound ! Pleasantries from India ! I wish we also heard our academics more! This is where public policy should start everywhere.

[@MithileshJha-tn3ks]

I think it's a mandatory for Pakistanis scholars to demonize India before criticizing Pakistan 😂. Not that we bother about it but just an observation. But decent conversation I must say😊.

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

Well, could it be that many of the ills have the very same roots in the two countries. Only that they are somewhere more or less pronounced due to the system. So very telling when people dislike it when these issues are pointed out...

[@BrownXz541]

No disrespect but bro Pakistan is in a rough state. India is in a far better position. But it is important to say truth even if you don't like. Bjp is not perfect the fact that the idealogy is taken from racist RSS organization makes many things clear. Bjp gets vote because of the extremis nationalist hindu sentiment. Bjp is good party in terms of growth, economics and country's technology development but at the same time it suppresses other identities, religions and ethnicities. Like north Indian's hate for south indian people for not speaking hindi

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

@BrownXz541 Well, you say that in terms of economy, they(BJP) are better. Well, the economic indicators under the Manmohan Singh government were equal, if not better. Also, it was Manmohan Singh who opened India's economy in the 90s. Also, in India, there are many states(provinces) that don't have a BJP governments and are successful. So also in economic terms, things are not as clear with respect to BJP. Yes, in terms of their ideology, I agree with you. They are extremist.

[@shashankjha8851]

"Mandatory for Pakistani scholars to demonize India before criticizing Pakistan." झा जी, की ई अहाँक पहिलका TPE podcast अछि?

[@jasha9sandhu]

Partly due to their Islamist core , partly due to fear of"adiala jail"​@@shashankjha8851

[@anupammondal4381]

Ignorance at its best... 😂😂... BJP is Giving more importance to the Vernacular Languages through NEP 2020... Padh liya Karo bolne se pehle... 😊😊

[@usmankhaki]

Lolo😅

[@AbhisheKumar1107]

Exactly, BJP ne Supreme court,High Court ki proceedings ko bhi regional language mey translation ke liye bill laye Hain parliament mey,Even Medical education bhi regional language mey ho aisa BJP hi promote kar rhi hai, Even aap Modi jee ke bhashan dekh lo jahan jaate hai whaa ke regional language ki 2-3 line bolke hi start karte hain, Aur Modi ji ne khud Tamil language ki kitni tareef ki hai even Hindi se bhi jyada yeh bhi aap google kar saktey ho

[@FurkanAli-rb6es]

​@@usmankhakiLolo landya porkistani

[@nishantsharma7832]

Padhte hi to ni hai😂

[@savitaraghav4495]

If they read the Indian constitution clearly, they will get many anwers. ❤

[@MuhammadHanif11111]

Is topic kain to main interested nhi hon kionkah main pehle se bhut hi mixed ethnicities ke town main rehta hon😊😊 kia hamain koi businessman ya kisi company ya group ka manager ya CEO dikh skta hai is podcast par, maslan imtiaz ya metro wale, mujhe bhut hi ziadah zaroorat mahsoos horahi hai aur aap deserve bhi krte hain,, aur bhai apki koshishon aur mehnat ka bhut bhut shkriah❤❤❤

[@geetaprabhakar4261]

Great podcast 👍You have the gift of the gab ,wit and wisdom.Your vast knowledge complements your above skills 👍👍

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@uatiger1]

Shahmukhi was early and it is a fact. Ismain kon larr raha hai siwaye dishonest seculars ke? Gurumukhi to ayi hi Sikh Gurus se hai. And Sikhism itself is a new religion and a new culture.

[@ShaukatAli-kb6rb]

Interviewer is a purely gujjar and interviewee is so nice. Their's gesture reveals.

[@ShaukatAli-kb6rb]

Behind the division of pakistan,punjabi culture played a vital role.

[@khalidabbas9519]

Such a great podcast. looking forward to read his book sometime.

[@puransingh1083]

Please don't forget Palestinian nationalism. That is the most important part of Pakistan. More important than Sindhi, Mohajir or Pakistan's minorities.

[@Ali-ld6tg]

Tum jo Israel ko mu me lete ho uska kya

[@mbv1462]

😂😂😂

[@JTR253]

You should worry about khalistani nationalism.

[@StudentStudent-h6n]

😂❤

[@StudentStudent-h6n]

​@@JTR253that's already shortlisted... Lahore is going to become capital

[@sohailarshad426]

Correction :Tell her Urdu Speakers were 3-3.5 % in pre-71 Pakistan [Both wings when Bengalis were with us] , with the parting of Bengalis in 71 , this % is now 7.5% , I don't know from where she got this 9% thing

[@usaidrafique6273]

Long awaited guest and podcast.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@NikhileshSurve]

12:19 It's true, language issue is extremely important & often people from ruling community either ignore or don't understand its importance. It's not just a means of communication. 15:11 3 language formula was & still is a fraud against non hindi Indians. It imposed hindi as a compulsory languag for the non hindi Indians while giving hindi people a choice to learn a 3rd language of their choice. While many non hindi Indians started learning hindi as a compulsory 3rd language most hindi people continued with only 2 language policy & some adopted Sanskrut as 3rd language which non hindi Indians couldn't within the 3 language formula, so if non hindi Indians want to learn a language of their choice like Sanskrut it'd have to be their 4th language increasing the academic burden unnecessarily. 15:59 Ruling elites in India did try to impose hindi as national language but luckily the backlash was big enough that they couldn't get it done. Also, unlike in pakistan the Indian language movement saw limited police action as Indian military wasn't ruling the country nor was comfortable with taking action against civilians. 20:26 This thing is surprisingly admirable about the colonial British rule that they recognised local languages as making administration more efficient whereas the current rulers despite being locals believe in imposing a regional language beyond its region on all people in the name of nation building when it's just another form of colonialism & imperialism. 22:02 I doubt Devanagari script was widespread for Punjabi. I think the script now known as Gurmukhi & also other scripts like Multani, Khudawadi, etc were the scripts of languages in North West of the Indian Subcontinent which is now Pakistan. 27:48 I find the mohajir i.e. the refugee to be the most absurd ethnic identity. They should probably be recognised as urdu ethnicity, I think they're the only ones who speak urdu as their mother tongue or L1 even if their ancestors weren't urdu themselves. 30:40 I'd say if they speak Sindhi as their primary language only then they're Sindhi, otherwise it's like saying one can be Bengali without speaking Bengali, Gujarati without speaking Gujarati, French without speaking French, Japanese without speaking Japanese, Korean without speaking Korean, etc. Just migrating somewhere & then settling there without ever embracing the language & culture of that place doesn't make someone the son of that soil. If you choose to live like an outsider then you're one. 39:40 It was just a sneaky way to spread hindi language everywhere & to make it possible for hindi people to migrate to non hindi States without ever learning that State's language which has caused demographic changes in many urban areas in non hindi States not too different from how urdu speakers have done in Sindhi Cities. Also bjp is in favour of this 3 language formula just like congress as they both support making India a hindi nation & hindi a national language even if it's done slowly. Both the parties are hindi nationalist, only one claims to be Secular & other claims to be Hindutvawadi. 42:12 Instead of creating a separate Pakhtun Province from the Balochistan's Pakhtun areas they should just merge all the Pakhtun areas with Pakhtunkhwa. Also create a separate & single Province from all the Seraiki areas. 46:31 Making Sindh an independent Sindhudesh is a bad idea. Either make a Sindhidesh just like Bangladesh or keep it as Sindh where Sindhi speakers will be considered as the indigenous people & primary benefactors or just rename Pakistan as Sindhudesh & make it an inclusive country for all while recognising your origins as people of the Sindhu river. 46:51 It's a good point, even in India the ruling elites don't seem to understand how important ethnic parties are. You need the ethnic parties to exist to avoid the existence of ethnic militant organisations & Sri Lanka is a perfect example who marginalised Tamil parties so much that LTTE became the primary representative of Tamils there.

[@aksariat]

Sindhis and Punjabis have been neighbors since long before Pashtuns and Balochis were created in a lab. There are no recorded wars between the two. Has anyone wondered why Sindh went downhill after 18th amendment? It was only when Balochis started calling themselves Sindhis and usurped Sindh's resources when issues escalated. The lowest point in their relations was the Indian Punjabi Zia ul Haq's fascism against Bhutto that helped Baloch dacoits make inroads into Sindh by lending a shoulder and then pulling the cord.

[@UsSs-p3r]

I recently read her book, it was amazing. Being a sindhi myself, I was familiar with nationalism but it gave me a new perspective

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@_arshadm]

Another excellent podcast, really appreciate her insights. The arrogance and hubris of the establishment is going to be the ruin of us all.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@Sabiqoon-w8y]

So glad my father left Karachi There is no place for people of our background and social status in that place

[@Taimoor-z4u]

Abhi bhi sindh me bhut Punjabi rehta he lakin Punjab me Sindhi nahi rehtay

[@essee3984]

As the Indian National Anthem goes "Punjab Sindh Gujarat Maratha, Dravid Uttkal Banga Vindhya Himachal Yamuna Ganga ucchal jaladhi Tiranga" 🇮🇳

[@oxsameer]

Love this anthem - from pakistan punjab.

[@ghulammurtaza6330]

Very comprehensive podcast. An intersting and lengthy discussion.❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@deeps1544]

@21min- 1849 main Ranjit Singh ko kissey ne nahin Nikala. He passed away in 1839. British annexed Punjab 10 years after his death.

[@neerajkhanna900]

It's 1839

[@deeps1544]

@@neerajkhanna900 yeah, it was a typo error

[@ZoonChenar-lw5hx]

Punjabi is growing and becoming stronger in Pakistan. Punjabi music, sufi poetry, idioms and movies are popular in all other provinces too. All the kids even in Punjab big cities speak Punjabi, even those of non punjabi family. Are punjabi youth multilingual ? Yes and good for them! Of course Urdu is the lingua franca in all parts of Pakistan and Punjabis do business and work all over so they make sure all punjabis speak urdu. Plus Iqbal and Faiz have made Urdu a language owned by Punjab. Even the Sikh Guru sahiban chose urdu type bhasha for the major parts of Guru Granth sahib instead of Punjabi because they wanted everyone in North India to understand their universal message. So they chose urdu type bhasha which was, is, and will always be common lingua franca of South Asians everywhere. Punjabi in Pakistan is stronger than in India and expanding its reach and growth. The risk to Punjabi is in India from Modi, RSS, and traitors to Punjab and Golden Temple like Gen. Brar and murderer of Punjabi youth KPS Gill.

[@Joshmelbourne]

Nationalism is deep rooted in everyone…Suppressed and Victorious have this MORE….I reckon…Good Podcast ❤️👏

[@nil0355]

In India 3 language formula didn't apply to most of the North Indian states. Their local languages were undermined and were made to believe that their languages were just dialects of Hindi and not independent langauge. This also ensured that Hindi's number count far outstrips other languages. Which in turn became the argument for Hindi getting tested as the defacto national langauge. This project has by and large succeeded. Having said that, many other languages were saved by the 3 language formula. And the Indian state seems to be fine with that. They want Hindi to have a special place but doesn't mind other languages to thrive "regionally". And now in this era of consumerism, internet and AI all these major surving langauges have great chance of not only surviving but thriving.

[@khalilsamoo1047]

An amazing podcast! Shehzad you're doing a great job. ❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

❤

[@usmankhaki]

After Faisal Warraich this man is love 😚. Please make a podcast with Ali bajwa on Punjabi

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@peta2206]

she is wrong with language arguments from an Indian point of view I am South Indian let me tell you what happened here after independence. 1. Constituency Assembly discussed the language issue and decided to include Hindi and English as official language with English for only 15 year. 2. After prolonged protest from across the country the central government was forced to create states on language basis. 3. Now after 15 years central government (congress govt) decided to remove the English from the official status as stated in constitution but there was again huge protest across non Hindi speaking states particularly in Tamil Nadu then Govt was forced to accept the English as official language forever and made amendment in constitution. 4. 3-Language formula was not created in 1947 it was suggested later which is optional and not all states follow this. We Indians have different languages and protected because we resist and fought for our rights nobody(congress ,bjp or central govt) gave us anything . I hope you get your facts correct that to when you are working in language and ethnic identity.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Thanks for the insight

[@kayaar00]

these pseudo scholars parrot the same line and this dude usually just invites the likes of such .

[@zulfiqarsoomro3103]

I love that you brought her over. So many questions answered and so many new questions have emerged after listening to this! ❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@nil0355]

Few centuries back linguistic identity was not as important as it is today. In fact across the subcontinent every region was perforated with multiple ethinic, linguistic, caste, religious groups. I feel for people of that time the main identity was the family kinship. Linguistic nationalism is used to legitimise economic and political units , just like religious nationalism.

[@gytsixp]

Pakistan never could shed its insecurity. That is why people come with messianic feeling - Only I can fix it. From Jinnah to IK.

[@ZoonChenar-lw5hx]

Honest comment that 9% spoke urdu as FIRST LANGUAGE but 85% spoke urdu as a second language lingua franca. Honest comment that Sind nation is old but NATIONALISM is a modern concept. Sind was a separate kingdom that fought against the British but many groups were against that kingdom.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Not true. Whats your source for 85%?

[@MegaKoolboys]

You literally just made that up o beghairati. Nobody spoke Urdu in 1947 apart from the educated, and the VAST majority of Pakistan was uneducated and ONLY spoke their mother tongue

[@miamimaze]

Great podcast, she is so well informed, well educated and well intentioned

[@aijazaliabro9636]

Welldone.. Dr. Sahiba... Highly appreciated.. Good research

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@rajneeshsharma9049]

Thank you for the partition. We Indians thank you for creating your own country 🙏

[@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886]

We Pakistanis are also thankful for Partition happening, good to see such sentiments from your side.

[@ramyadav9102]

@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886Exactly, I guess people who were inferior in intelligence in the 1947, went to Pakistan.Thanks.

[@Salem_morio]

I wish other Indians weren't stuck on partition just like you

[@imamfaiz9008]

The emergence of a man from Pakistan named Muhammad Qasim bin Abdul Karim who sees dreams and visions talking about the signs of the time and plots and wars waged against Islam and Muslims. #muhammadqasimdreams

[@sharjeeljawaid]

Thanks for a pragmatic eye opener Jazakallah!

[@ZoonChenar-lw5hx]

PPP stopped federal disaster emergency in Karachi and Karachi is still suffering ... and this lady praises it and likes that Sind should continue to suffer? Wow what a democratic approach!

[@ShaukatAli-kb6rb]

Gujjar is so wild,he is called two footed animal.

[@imamfaiz9008]

When Imran Khan realises his mistake and listens to the message, he will acknowledge that he used to only bow down to Allah(SWT) but unfortunately he got surrounded by such people that he went in the wrong path. #muhammadqasimdreams

[@abdullatifsoomro3744]

What a podcast❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@hunainshoukatsoomro2057]

Just want to add an opinion of your question 20:27 Punjabi nationalism become invisible because of being a super power state within Pakistan, the nations which get power and grow rich in economy the issue of language, religion and ethnicity become minor for them. They are in the feeling of greatness. That's why you see the issue of Punjabi nationalism is no raised.

[@professorengineermuhammads5556]

Sindh is the land all along the banks of River Indus and its tributaries، right from Kashmir to its Delta. Not only present Pujab and KPK are parts of it, but Punjabi, Sraiki, Hindko, Kashmiri... are dialects of Sindhi Language like Thari, Kachhi, Lari, Lassi.. Whereas Pashto and Baluchi are alien outsiders belong to invaders and land grabbers. Whole of Kheerthar flanks of Hamalya on both sides belong to Brauhvi people. This is all now a days Pakistan is based upon. Whole of the South Asia, the subcontinent ofAsia use to be called as Sind and Hind since the period of first Persian empire, 25 centuries ago. The partition of British India was not required to be on the basis of Two Nations Theory introduced by the Cetral Assian dissent, but on the basis of Sindh and Hind. The coexistence of both is important like day and night! There were already its natural boundaries of Thar and Hindu Kush and no need of new borders created by RedCliff and Durand. This is the right time to get it corrected after an experience of 75 years.

[@radzindia]

Have you ever considered doing a podcast on how Sindhis who had fled to India fared? They are now a people without land, cut off from their heritage and spread all over India.

[@hassobhatia2885]

Overall Sindhis in India have thrived as business men and professionals even though the spread and retention of Sindhi language has been unsuccessful. Not enough has been done to promote Sindhi in spite of being in 13 th schedule. This has been partially due to elitist attitude of many Sindhis..emphasis on Devanagari has damaged Sindhi profoundly…

[@Salem_morio]

There are parts of sindh in india.

[@bioshock7459]

Please make a podcast with Hammad Rind about the saraiki language. He studied language in Oxford.

[@ss-su9ob]

in Pak, in schools, would local language not be taught? like in India, usually... it will be English, Hindi and Local language.

[@najmarani9493]

Yeah there is but in govt schools not in private schools.

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

The 3 language formula is done in Sindh province (not in Punjab). English Urdu Sindhi

[@HasnainAbbasi2006]

​@@user-rh5jp2sh4sExcept Karachi, and also they don't teach Sindhi in other private schools of Sindh of different cities if their owners are not Sindhi ethnically.

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

@HasnainAbbasi2006 In all schools of Sindh government, or private, Sindhi is a subject. Yes elite class schools O Levels (British education board) don't have it...

[@MohdShahid-d8o]

@@najmarani9493 In india you have to choose an extra language to learn as it is more a state language in private school and government schooll and it depends in which state you live. As i live in delhi, and there is no common language so we have urdu and sanskrit both in most of school as an extra language.

[@zainulabdin9240]

The Phd shall be awarded to the translator. Unfortunately again the system got involved someone (again a punjabi profitor) who does not have a stake in the Sindhi society and understand the Sindhi system.

[@jasha9sandhu]

Won't ever talk about forced conversion of Christians & Hindu girls in "androone sindh "

[@Kshumred]

They have Sympathy about Indian Muslim as Pak thinks that Indian Muslims are oppressed and also they have Sympathy about Palestinian and they protest for it. But they don't have Sympathy for minorities in Pak and they don't even post sympathy on social media. Forget about protest. Pakistanis are most hypocrites on planet.

[@Char444]

they talked about it before.. obv it can't be a topic of every video

[@Kshumred]

@@Char444 They shouldn't talk About Palestinian people in every video.

[@Salem_morio]

​@@Kshumredthat's none of your business.

[@Salem_morio]

Do you want them to talk about forced marriages & rapes of indian women? And the persecution of indian muslims and Christians?

[@Rehman-rf4gi]

Dear try to motivate our politician Need to be grassroots level baldiati facilities all over Pakistan for better environment and economy crises Allah bless effectors

[@shayanahmed7132]

Brilliant work man. Answered a lot of questions and addressed the rampant racism you see against Sindhis in this country. Keep it up.

[@MMAcademy1]

Love you dear

[@akifhaq2178]

28:17 That time, Punjabi were busy in tugging carts (they were quite cheaper than donkey and horses)

[@deepikavishnu1735]

Around 3rd or 4th min here we go again with very typical 'marginalization of Indian muslms' remark haha Guys here Muslims could be anything if they got the merit but look at your own Pakistani minorities such as Pakistani Hindus, Christians, Sikhs & other minority muslim sects for realise what marginalization of minorities really is rather than making yourself a joke by crying out of none existing marginalization of Indian muslims.

[@Salem_morio]

Y'all can deny all you want but it's true. And its proven again & again by indians themselves.

[@d10saikia]

Do a research on Moplah massacre and make a video on that. Palestine k upor bht video banai apne uss topic pr v bana do

[@Salem_morio]

That's minor

[@somnathde8680]

Excellent analysis by her. Appreciated from India.

[@molajat6133]

A big percentage of punjabi population is mahajer. Why do karachi mahajer are called mahajer?

[@HasnainAbbasi2006]

Bcz they migrated from one city of Punjab to another City of Pakistani punjab. They all are Punjabi ethnically, they don't belong to any other ethnic group whereas Muhajirs of Sindh Belong to various ethnicities historically but now they all call themselves Urdu.

[@nagbalkur1365]

Despite the education background of the guest, she made some factual errors regarding language in India. Only reason, I writing this is, hopefully, that might help those who are seeking some solution to the issue that they think are facing and also to set the record straight. First of all, it's being made out as a huge language problem exists in India and it's all because of current ruling party, both of are incorrect. In fact today, in the opposition party (INDIA alliance) alliance meeting, DMK member (from Tamil Nadu) said he did not understand Hindi, for which leader from his alliance party Nitish Kumar (CM of Bihar) lost his cool, expressing his displeasure of someone not able to understand Hindi. Such incidents occur sometimes in same party or alliance. but it's a minor irritation and sometimes politics behind it. 1) Pre-independence, Gandhi, Patel, even southern leaders like Rajaji (Rajagopalachari) felt Hindi be encouraged and could emerge as uniting factor. 2) However, in 1950s, Potti Sri Ramulu fought for a separate Telugu speaking state, which by the way was opposed by Nehru, Rajaji and also RSS on right. anyway, states were organized along language. that's how Gujarat for Gujarati, Tamil Nadu for Tamils, Andhra for Telugu etc. 3) In 1960s, central congress government's policies led to Anti-Hindi agitation in Tamil Nadu, (which was also exploited politically regional party) and finally Congress loosing power in 1967 over language issue. all because of 3 language formula. today, situation is different as economic opportunities and other factors are making people gain some working knowledge of Hindi 4) In other states like Karnataka or Kerala etc, people study some third language like Hindi. Besides, there is so much integration and movement of people today that, language is NOT a big issue in India today as it is being made out here. Many Hindi actress like Rekha, Hemamalini, etc. are Tamilians. In fact, non Hindi native speakers like Gujarati (Mararji Desai, Modi), Punjabi(IK Gujral, Man Mohan Singh), Telugu(PV Narasimha Rao) or Kannadiga (HD Deve Gowda) have become PM of the country in last 75 years and have been accepted by large Hindi speaking states. just imagine, If Pakistan had accepted Mujiber Rahman victory, there would have been united country today, something that Pakistan should reflect on. Finally, I used to think, there was a possibility of united India and it might have had a bright future. More I listen to these conversations, more I've realized that partition perhaps was the best option among all other options given the history of sub-continent from 13th century till 19th century. Just imagine, those who refuse to hand over power to other province other than Punjab, would have allowed united India to function, Absolutely NOT. And for that long term solution in 1947, I thank Sardar Patel (first one to accept partition) and other leaders for their foresight.

[@ZoonChenar-lw5hx]

18th amendment will work if devolution of funds and POLICE POWER to local govts and UK style councils. Power to provinces means power to feudal lords.

[@mazharlakho4618]

Wish Ghias had concentrated more on Sindh since Asma Faiz is a researcher and a Punjabi, she would have sounded more authentic particularly on conflicting issues between Sindh and the Punjab.

[@mayankumar1312]

Yaar india me sindhi itne ameer h aur pakistan me aisi baat sunkar thoda weird, i mean non relatable lagta hai…yes there are middle class sindhis bt i ve never met a lower middle class or poor sindhi

[@BasEkKafir]

Cause they are hindus.

[@SirKasim666]

That's so true

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

Well, a big part of the Sindhis that migrated to India were from the business community. Also, when one looks at the Sindhi Hindus, who remained back like in the Thar region, were from the peasant community. Btw also true the other way round, many people who migrated from UP to Karachi, Sindh were from the Indian Civil Services or on average (of course not all) were from a more educated background. So context matters a lot..

[@Outofthisworld794]

Yha to modern day slavery bh hai, bhatta mazdoor. Thar me jha se janwar pani pety hn wahi se log, mera Gao[khairpur me kot diji k kareb]1saal se pani k nechy hai

[@Raju-gi3gr]

It is so easy to blame everything on "Angrez" even when it comes to things like hating people based on language. Just admit that you people hated anything that was associated with Hindus or Sikhs. Hypocrites.

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

Well interesting is that before partition in Punjab there was a census (think 1941) people where asked to declare their first language. Muslims wrote Urdu, Hindus wrote Hindi only Sikhs wrote Punjabi. So only Sikhs really owned it although ALL three spoke it at home. So the politics of this right upto now can be seen in Pakistan but also in India!

[@AdilKhan-ik4xp]

Once a PPP apologist will always remain a PPP apologist. He tries hard to be appeared as a non-partisan anchor, but always fails in doing so.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Jahalat ki nishani hay sunay bhagyr comment karna. Everyone who watches the podcast will realize what an idiotic comment that is so good job embarrassing yourself buddy.

[@sreenarayanram5194]

Islam is a political ideology created by Muhammad to capture power of macca and other kingdoms so innoder to do that he copied judisam and Christianity and distroyed the original proto hindhu like idol worshiping religion so Muhammad is very much influenced by Christianity and jewdisam so Muhammad distroyed his own religion and created islam to capture power for his people so in order to do that Muhammad needs lots of young man so he created 72 hoori concept in jenna and sex slaves and a complete domination over women in the name of god and nobody can quastion anything and it is the wildest fantacy of almost 80% men around the world even today so these men to achieve this distroyed many cultures even today they dont care about women kids elders economy etc. So they always try to prove alla they are the best for 72 hooris and they blowup happely for those 72 hooris every day some were around the world even today if you want to destabilize or distroy a cultre and a country for a long run you don't need any newclear bomb just spread islam in to that country

[@abhishekshukla6760]

​@@ThePakistanExperiencei think you should take critics humbly. It is not possible to make everyone happy.

[@lordbasim]

​@@abhishekshukla6760Don't embarrass yourself he's humble enough

[@abhishekshukla6760]

@@lordbasim wth, why i am embarrassing myself, i love his work as a viewer i am giving my opinion.

[@Rishikesh791]

She need some reasearch on India's new Education pilicy ,2020 where heavy importance is given to Varnacular Languages of Across India. PM modi is himself always start his speech from the relional language, it might be tamil, bengali, Bhijpuri etc. Likewise he also prerfer to where cultural cloths. India always celebrate it diversity a lot .I belong to. Nothern hilly state called Uttarkhand. We garhwali have a our own unique language, dressing style, Festivel, Food, Culture ।

[@darkvortex5121]

BEEN WAITING FOR THIS GUEST

[@ThePakistanExperience]

🙌

[@memyself9959]

I'm a Punjabi and I feel Pakistan intentionally killed my Language Culture and 5K ancient Civilization! I demand to make Punjabi National Language of Punjab and there should be a compulsory subject of Punjabi in Schools!!

[@jashanpreet450]

District patiala Punjab say hu ❤❤❤

[@MK-yj7pn]

Nice discussion but one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb. Lady said people have to step out of Lahore and Islamabad to understand issues better, but when commenting on India, her statements are as sweeping, broad brushed and prejudiced as any guy roaming the streets, absolutely devoid of nuance.

[@HolNol-w7b]

pakistan people are intelligent and smart I don't know why they are struck with jihadi groups and mullah mindset, can anyone answer my questions ?

[@muddi900]

Maybe you are a sanghi and lack critical thinking.

[@Salem_morio]

Wdym

[@muhammadabid6177]

Mahajirs are the sons of a soil, they are the true sons of sindh as much as sindhis are, but maan ko maan kon maney yeh point hai.

[@allaboutknowledge6069]

This guy never accepted this.

[@saifsamo9750]

Jo sache halali bete hote hain wo apni maa ko katne ki baat nahi karte. If you are true sons of soil than never ever will you want to partition sindh into Sindh & Karachi.

[@Salem_morio]

Lol no muhajirs are the sons of the soil of india.

[@mammothmammon]

The truth is no Indian or Pakistani will ever understand what 1971, rather 1965 to 71 was like. Yes I am one of the black, 'effeminate' Bengalis whose Grandfather fought as a Muktibahini fighter but you guys won't understand what the feeling is witnessing the extermination of your people. Add to that we are Hindu, so I don't think even I fully understand that sense of hopelessness and desperation as they fought for basic survival against a highly well resourced and well supplied mechanised fighting force. Rapes at an industrial level, dehumanisation, people dragged out and executed on major freeways, the casual racism even today. Being always in a position of power, that is not something you or anyone speaking so casually about Bengal understands.

[@Etcthings-bo2pg]

You should interview sindhi intellectuals and writers, who will give you a clearer picture

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Suggestions ?

[@shayanahmed7132]

Saif Samejo

[@shayanahmed7132]

Bhevish Kumar Maheshwari

[@mohammadjaffarabbas9880]

​@@ThePakistanExperienceayaz latif palijo.

[@Wesyhe]

Jami chandio is a Sindhi scholar,writer.

[@adeelakif814]

great discusson

[@gerarddsouza2178]

Brilliant podcast. A great learning

[@ThePakistanExperience]

🙌

[@harshraj6798]

India even recognises Sindhi as a national language... Aor ye log across the border Sindhi nationalism discuss kar rahe hai.. Aor hamei problematic bata rahe hai Prank hogaya Bhai..😅😅

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

Well in Sindh, it is also an official language, it's also taught in schools....

[@BrownXz541]

Sindhi to kiya there is no any national language in india . the official is English and Hindi. You don't even know about your country

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

@BrownXz541 Well it is true that India recognised many languages which is a good thing. But the REAL! question is how vibrant a language remains. I mean, how many NEW books, new music, TV, News etc.. is done in Sindhi in India. I'm not saying it is zero in India. But the number of Sindhi TV channels, news, music, and literature are on a much bigger scale in Pakistan than in India.

[@BrownXz541]

@@user-rh5jp2sh4s yes after urdu literature sindhi literature is prominent in Pakistan. In Pakistan newspapers are written in two languages Urdu and Sindhi. We have a lot of Sindhi news, TV channels. After urdu dramas, books and literature Sindhi literature, poetry and content is the big thing. So sindhi still remains a big culture in Pakistan and obviously Sindhis in Pakistan are in a better and bigger place in terms of culture, language, identity and historical knowledge than Indian Sindhis. Indian Sindhis cannot read old and great sindhi literature which is written in Arabic writing script because indian sindhis were forced to write sindhi in devnagri writing script which killed the cultural and literary values in indian Sindhis. Also indian Sindhi's are trying to teach their kids Sindhi because sindhi is no longer important for sindhi indian youth. While indian sindhis community is in far better financial state than Pakistani Sindhi's.

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

@BrownXz541 Well, as said, the economic state of people depends a lot on their background. Sindhis living in India belong more to the business community. They are somewhat / a bit like the Memon/Gujrati or Ismaili community in Karachi Btw just for information, there are also newspapers etc.. in Pashto, also it is there at a primary school level. But all not to the extent as it could be..

[@nabeel7597]

azaad sindh zindabad. sindhudesh zindabad

[@mariamtee]

24:27 it’s Wali Khan’s quote.

[@harbhajansethmajithabhajan6955]

Punjabi boli janda bad ❤❤🎉🎉

[@ZoonChenar-lw5hx]

One unit idea came from Suharwardi, a Bengali ... because he foresaw that Bengalis will become a monority and west will become the majority. One unit idea was to protect Bengali equality in future. Read the primary sources.

[@shahabbas9648]

What about the role of religion in the development of Pakistan?

[@atulkumar-pr4yo]

I don't know why Pakistani people particularly so call educated are prejudiced about india regarding atrocities against minorities with citing any example. They don't talk of atrocities against Hindu community in Pakistan.

[@arhammirza1205]

We don't have 20 to 30 mass riot's against minorities in our country as compare to India

[@Salem_morio]

Unlike india There's no system systematic/ government supported persecution of minorities in Pakistan.

[@Sameer.Rajper]

Ah shit here we go again. TPE is a ritual❤️ keep it up brother

[@ThePakistanExperience]

❤

[@sindhiuk]

PPP is in no way a Sindhi Nationalist party . They are anti Sindh in every manner . They have destroyed Sindh from Karachi to Kashmore . They only use Sindh as a card when their power is in threat .

[@akrammirani8663]

Good scholar.

[@zopashagha1397]

Finally!!!!!! Thank you for this guest!

[@ThePakistanExperience]

🙌

[@uzairansare2799]

my sindh❤

[@sadammustafa2661]

please do one podcast with Shah Mohammad Muri............................ we want to know actual problem of Baluchistan

[@mithulaghari257]

Lakhon,Baton,ki ek Bat,.. kisi,ko Chalne to diya,jae,....ZABARDAST,....SHEHZAD BHAI

[@ThePakistanExperience]

🙌

[@allaboutknowledge6069]

Sir what is your problem with muhajirs ?

[@ThePakistanExperience]

None

[@usmankhaki]

Sb bemario ke Jar Muhajir and Angres ke gulam Ayub Pathan, Punjabi, Sindhi.

[@usmankhaki]

There is no word Saraiki. is muhtrama ko bolo Jehlam Sargodha ka Punjabi dialect kitna difference hy Multan Pothowar se. Ek apne apko Punjabi second Saraiki. Saraiki was also created by political leader Zia. LoL. Bahawalpur was a province.

[@bioshock7459]

Jee bhai ap scholar ho wo Jo PHD karkay ayi hai ussay kuch nahi pata, Aik jahil Punjabi nationalist sehi hai. Bhai Jan saraiki alphabet has 4 more letters then Punjabi how can it be a dialect?

[@bioshock7459]

Multan historically has always been separate from Punjab

[@muddi900]

A dialect is a language without a standing army.

[@ravikaushik7183]

Yes muslim in Punjab want to differciate from the sikhs and hindu. thats the main reason they adopted forgien language Urdu over punjabi. This the main reason baloch, sindh, pashtun have roots but punjabi muslims are not rooted at all with there land.

[@muhammadabid6177]

Quota system was introduced by Liaquat Ali Khan not Bhutto.

[@kumailsoomro]

Very boring podcast. Looks like she was giving a college lecture. While an academic viewpoint is welcome, it is just not appealing as a virwer. Speak with Sindhi nationalist parties and see what they have to say.

[@jkarchitects5442]

when we can see sindhi nationalists in your podcast?

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Sindhi Nationalism discuss karna bhi ek commentor ko bardasht nahee horaha, nationalists ko bula lia toh Inka kya hee hoga 😅

[@jkarchitects5442]

🤣🤣 maza aayega yar! inko bhi bulao@@ThePakistanExperience

[@dipakkumar9005]

​@@ThePakistanExperienceyou should call sanan khan quershi I thik his father was killed by pakistani regime who was a sindhi nationalist

[@user-rh5jp2sh4s]

​@ThePakistanExperience The people trolling can't be a criteria one way or the other. I mean, in many of your podcasts, the BJP IT cell trolls are also very active in the comment section...so🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ThePakistanExperience]

@@user-rh5jp2sh4s sahee baat hay. Bulao ga Sindhi Nationalists ko bhi

[@bhojanrasikananda7794]

3:00 India comes into the discourse again as is his wont. But Indians please don't troll.😂