Sir Dinadan gets a Peter's Spares Replacement Motor

[@admiralsouthdown485]

If it wasn't for you 00Bill, my E2 and Nellie wouldn't have had a new lease of life with their new replacement motors. Thank you.

[@TheDaf95xf]

Always a pleasure watching you fix these classic trains 00Bill 😊

[@kevinludlow7561]

Excellent tutorial, I've fitted one of these to my 'Sir Dinadan' and also my old L1. Both now run quieter and a marked improvement in slow running.

[@peterhoare1039]

Did you find that the Locos had reduced pulling power due to the reduced weight of the replacement Motor?

[@kevinludlow7561]

@@peterhoare1039 yes, I found there was small shortfall, however, the size of my layout dictates only small rakes of coaches anyway.

[@peterhoare1039]

@@kevinludlow7561 Hi Thanks for reply. Like you My layout is not a big one. The maximum number of a rake of Coaches is 5. i have also found the the weight of coaches does vary depending on the manufacturer and some Coaches felt rather heavy. I decided to remove the ballast weights from the coaches. This has made it easier for locos to haul them.

[@PeterYeadon-js7ou]

The issue I have with Peter's Spares are the postage costs. I enquired recently regarding a set of Flying Scotsman smoke deflectors, the deflectors to be honest very reasonably priced. The postage, ridiculous. I've purchased Wrenn diecast locomotives that the postage has been a lot more reasonable. I'm not the only person on KZbin to mention this. Very informative video as ever Bill.

[@oobill]

But he does post very, very promptly. Invariably I get the item I ordered the next day which is hugely helpful when doing repairs.

[@petersspares]

We do try to get items out within 24 hours and without knowing where you are (maybe contact me direct) I couldn't say what the postage rate was you were not liking. UK / overseas / weight and size of the box etc. We have change our postage this year and UK Royal Mail postage has gone up every year and we haven't put ours up for 3 years! Thanks Peter

[@Phil-oj5nr]

I saw a Hammant & Morgan “Safety Minor” on eBay. It was £5.00, but the postage to New Zealand was over £60.00! It is a heavy item, so I didn’t buy. Have been trying to get two, or even a “Monitor” here, but no luck in six years of trying. Someone must have one in Grandads shed, surely?

[@stephenrice4554]

Interesting fit , great end result . I agree with you , it's not right to expect people to make things that operate well and expect them to give it away , overheads these days are breathtaking. 30 odd quid for an electric motor is not exorbitant and as Bill quoth , you've got a spare motor .

[@simonturner5450]

Good job, I think that the parallel pliers are one of the most useful tools for model railway engineering.

[@petersspares]

Hi Bill, Another great video. The issue with the Sir Dinadan / Ivatt Class 2 / Hall Class locomotives is the motion bracket sits at the worm wheel end and is above the flat chassis blocks surface. As you have found the motor bracket needs a tweak or the location pins filling thinner to enable a good fit. Other Locos Like Scotsman / Coronation etc the motion bracket is nearly flush at the other end of the block. The X03/4 motors had some clearance at the brush end where as my motor and brakes has had to be made flat. Thanks Peter

[@peterhoare1039]

I have fitted a replacement Motor to a Hornby Hall Class Loco. I discovered the replacement Motor is rather lighter in weight than the X03 X04 Motor. After I fitted the replacement Motor I found that the Locos pulling power was rather reduced and I had to add some ballast weight

[@ModelRailwayShed]

Great tutorial Bill 👍

[@allenemery4665]

Great looking locomotive

[@BrianSanders-tn7pi]

Hi Bill. Considering the cost of the new motor would Peters spares offer a discount if you swapped your old motor in for their spares stock. Lets face it there will always be people who prefer to have original motorsso there will need to be a stockpile. What are your thoughts ? Regards.

[@dh9033]

Good stuff Bill. Do you know if these can be fitted to the old 1980's Dapol terriers please? I have one and in general they're very noisy runners. Wonder if you've covered giving one a service? Best wishes, Dudley

[@michaelwolak3098]

Hi bill that new motor plus the bending of the plate certainly cut the current in half

[@petersspares]

Without the bend it to the motor bracket or as I would prefer first trimming a little off the motion brackets plastic it therefore fouls on the motion bracket forcing the worm down onto the worm wheel. Thanks Peter

[@GWRJoe5043]

Great video Bill

[@_RandomPea]

Saved in my projects, id like to update mine. I'd like to find a cheaper way but hey. 🎉

[@bigmac60]

Great video bill

[@minos5548]

are these motors compatible with a gauge master electronic track cleaner. thank you for your instructive videos

[@Henryduchy2732]

Hi Bill, enjoyed the video, can you tell me why you used the suppresser on this type of motor? Thanks. .

[@oobill]

I keep the suppressors in when working on other people's locos as it's regulation. Doesn't do any harm to keep it even if most of the time it'll do nothing.

[@Henryduchy2732]

Thanks for your reply Bill, I understand now. Jess.

[@stuartburton1167]

I wonder if you could fit the motor using double sided foam tape (1mm thickness) instead of the bracket. It might help to quieten the noise and as long as the tape is the same thickness it won't affect the meshing of the gears.

[@oobill]

Doubt it would hold the motor firm enough

[@stuartburton1167]

@@oobill I was thinking about double sided foam tape because I have just fitted a new number plate on my car. Taking the old plate off was a real struggle luckily being already broken I didn't have to worry about breaking it. The tape is so strong and sticky I think I could stick on a bumper or wing mirror.

[@oobill]

@@stuartburton1167 Like servo tape used to hold servo motors in place in model aircraft. I had very mixed results with that back in the day. Worked fine till it didn't then you had a fun crash! Less critical in a loco but I'd worry about slop. And it would be a bit of a pain if you wanted to remove the motor. Would need acetone probably. Would be interesting to try it though.

[@donniblanco5239]

Well done Bill lovely job - will that motor need running in?

[@oobill]

Modern motors don't really need running in but the gears and mechanism on a new loco will benefit from it. Not a bad idea to give an old loco with a replacement motor a good run to run the worm and drive gears in though but it won't really matter.

[@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204]

good vid thanks lee

[@JamesPetts]

Interesting - why use one of these rather than the 5 pole Airfix 1001?

[@oobill]

It'll be quieter for one thing and it's also a lot more available. Old Airfix motors will still be subject to worn bearings, bad windings and all the other issues encountered with X04 and X03 motors. Having 5 poles isn't the be all and end all. I've tried an Airfix 1001 on one of my own locos and it was awful. These new motors are much, much better even if they are 3 pole.

[@MrSnooze]

I really like the Airfix 1001 and as a period replacement they are hard to beat. Being older they do of course require a little more care and attention but as good as this can motor may be it's not a serviceable unit. Very interesting though

[@casperbacon1423]

For a 3 pole motor that's quieter (not an issue that bothers me) paying the cost of the loco on ebay for a motor seems a false economy. if it was a 5 pole then maybe it would be worth it. Each to their own i guess

[@peterandrews7756]

It's very noisy

[@hughoconnor9172]

I must admit I didn't think it was a lot quieter and I wouldn't fork out £30 for something you had to fiddle around with to get the thing to work properly. I'd be surprised if Peters Spares actually made the motor themselves. More likely a bulk order from China. So to then charge that amount is a bit of a rip off.

[@PeterYeadon-js7ou]

I always think Peter's spares postage costs are on the high side.

[@petersspares]

Hi there, no I don't make motors as I do not have a motor factory to do so. I have a shop and work with factories around the globe to make items for the benefit or modellers and their trains. I use my years of knowledge to have these made for me by others with my detailed instructions and designs while I run my shop and serve my customers. Regarding the cost of the motor unless you are having items tooled and made then shipped from across the globe you have no idea of the costs I outlay to do so. Thanks Peter

[@kellypaws]

It strikes me that it ought to come with a few shims/packers to optionally place under the motor base plate, when it seems that as often as not it needs to be lifted to work properly. I wouldn't quibble about the price, but I would take issue with having to bend bits of it to work properly. It's a bit of a shoddy engineering solution that's forced on the buyer.

[@petersspares]

Hi there, We don't do 'shoddy engineering' but to enable one motor to fit all Triang Hornby models just fit straight in is impossible. The smoking ones you can't change the worm thickness as it would stop the smoke unit puffing and lock the loco solid so you can't use the worm to raise the motor. The motion brackets are the issue on these models and the Ivatt / Hall class where others like Scotsman / Coronation sit flush and the X03/4 would have had a gap to allow to fit. A flat motor on a flat frame can't get a gap cut into it. Thanks Peter