Is Goku a Sociopath?

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@sixfromtokyo
@sixfromtokyo Жыл бұрын
Oh my god the amount of comments about this... I'm not saying Goku should not have teleported to King Kai's planet. I'm not saying Goku can teleport anywhere. & i'm not saying he should gave let the earth blow up. I'm saying Goku should have grabbed King Kai & Teleported off the planet instead of killing them all. He gets there speaks an entire sentence and just let's Cell blow up. Goku can move far faster than light in the amount of time it took him to speak that sentence he could have grabbed King Kai and teleported them both back to Earth and let Cell blow up alone. It's fine GOKU resolved himself to die but it is NOT okay that he took King Kai with him when he didn't have to.
@sins5020
@sins5020 Жыл бұрын
It doesn’t matter if he died tho it’s only cosmetic looks that change when he die
@pivotchampion
@pivotchampion Жыл бұрын
​@Sins But Goku didn't know that. For all he knew, he just sent a literal deity to his death.
@ignisspiritustenebris7137
@ignisspiritustenebris7137 Жыл бұрын
​@@sins5020 no way Goku possibly knew that. His exact reasoning was that he didnt know where else to take him, not that it wouldnt be as serious for a kai to die
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
With that logic, then he wouldn’t need to sacrifice himself, because then he could’ve teleported back to earth without cell. Still doesn’t make it OK that he took king Kai with him.
@UnwantedGhost1
@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын
Overall, this was a great Dragonball video. I hope to see more content like this later on.
@MKfan888
@MKfan888 Жыл бұрын
Goku letting Raditz tail go the first time proves he isn't a sociopath. While it was a dumb decision, Goku only let go in response to Raditz begging him to do so. While it wasn't a smart decision, it was one made with compassion. Similar to how Goku gives Frieza enough energy to live, despite knowing Frieza really doesn't deserve it.
@rich355
@rich355 Жыл бұрын
In the case of Raditz, yes. However, it's clear that Goku has a selfish interest in keeping Frieza alive. Throughout the series Goku always mentions how much of a shame it is that Frieza is so evil despite being so powerful. Yet always gives him an out because he likes and gets thrilled by the challenge.
@Olya0247
@Olya0247 4 ай бұрын
As for Raditz, that's no excuse. Goku killed his own brother. Raditz just wanted Goku to join them and destroy Frieza, who enslaved their race and destroyed them. Yes, Raditz kidnapped Gohan for this, but Goku spared Frieza, who is many times worse (he enslaved the Saiyan race, destroyed them, took some Saiyans as slaves and abused them, then killed Goku’s friends and if not for Vegeta, he would have killed Gohan) just for the sake of fighting him again, since he is a strong opponent. Watch the original voice acting or subtitles. Goku doesn't care about anyone. He only wants to fight a strong opponent. The longer the better. And if you read the DBS manga, Bardock wished from Dragon Balls that his sons to prosper and achieve everything they wants in order to survive as a children,but then Goku kills his own brother. Raditz's death, after you understand the situation, becomes really sad. Even sadder than Nappa, since Vegeta warned him to retreat and give him the opportunity to fight, but Nappa did not listen and attacked Gohan and Krillin, then Goku broke his back and for Vegeta he was already a meaningless warrior and ally (Nappa always did not listen to Vegeta and he was tired from this. Even when Nappa tried to attack Frieza, Vegeta stopped him and asked for forgiveness. Otherwise, they would all have been killed)
@chaosblitz1352
@chaosblitz1352 14 күн бұрын
@@Olya0247 Fair, but you HAVE to understand that Goku doesn't know that his race is being enslaved, and all he's seen from Raditz is that he held his son hostage. He made the right choice
@satchelharding189
@satchelharding189 Жыл бұрын
I think Goku‘s mindset in that moment the freezer was like “You just got your ass beaten by a saiyan, now you got a live with it.”
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
BUT HE’S JUST A MONKEY!!!
@sonicXstarhedgehog
@sonicXstarhedgehog Жыл бұрын
Far worse than death for Frieza, since up until kow it seems like it still haunts him.
@WhatIfBattle
@WhatIfBattle Жыл бұрын
Sitting in hell with no body just your face revealed for 24hrs straight is already torched lmao
@MaxiemumKarnage
@MaxiemumKarnage Жыл бұрын
I feel like Goku felt regret for Freeza not using his power for "good" or to grow stronger as he squandered his potential for evil
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
@@MaxiemumKarnage yeah, that’s what I got out of Goku’s last line to him.
@bluecheckmiya
@bluecheckmiya Жыл бұрын
It is only modern dragon ball Goku that I would consider like this. The original DB manga has Goku making mistakes sure, but he is a genuinely good person and cares about others deeply.
@bluecheckmiya
@bluecheckmiya Жыл бұрын
Being a "hero" and being a good person are not synonymous btw. A hero is good, but good people are not necessarily heroes.
@UnwantedGhost1
@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын
​@@bluecheckmiya I don't mind Goku not being a hero. He don't need to be one to keep his planet safe. It's just a title in the Dragonball franchise anyways.
@calo1467
@calo1467 Жыл бұрын
"Modern" Dragon ball as in Z, gt and Super or just Super?
@MereMere
@MereMere Жыл бұрын
​​@@calo1467ust Super, because Z and GT are not apart of the Dragon Ball renaissance. At least the Z content that was made in the 80's and 90's.
@johnman8398
@johnman8398 Жыл бұрын
But "modern" DB goku has the same principles and values as OG goku, you can't say one is a soiciopath and the other isn't.
@meatshame7998
@meatshame7998 Жыл бұрын
The only issue I have is with the Majin Vegeta fight. In my opinion, Goku simply recognized that Vegeta was at the breaking point as a person. The only thing that matters to him anymore is his own strength, and Goku is the physical manifestation of his weakness. Vegeta was literally tearing himself apart and was willing to throw away everything that he was just to prove he is stronger than Goku. And honestly, if Goku didn't fight him here, Vegeta would have likely ruined his life for good here, in the worst case he may have even killed his family to try and rid himself of what he now calls weakness. Tl;Dr. if Goku did not fight Vegeta then and there, I believe that Vegeta would have ruined his life permanently. And yes, I know that the Earth is more important, but Goku makes selfish decisions all the time.
@meatshame7998
@meatshame7998 Жыл бұрын
@KemetShamar this is the same Vegeta that considered his own wife and kid to be nothing as they weigh him down. My main thing is that the famous Vegeta Character arc would have never stuck the landing without this Goku fight right now.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
​@@meatshame7998Vegeta literally was malding after coming back about ss3 he would have gotten over it
@meatshame7998
@meatshame7998 Жыл бұрын
@gameuniverse5973 I think you are drastically downplaying how much of an issue Vegeta's weakness plays for his character. I mean, sure, if the story had to be written that way, then yes, he would get over it, but it would not be very well written, most likely. Either way, that is just what I got from reading the story. It is all just interpretation at the end of the day.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
@@meatshame7998 same way he called Goku number one and far above him but yet still malds whenever Goku gets stronger and call himself the strongest
@iAmSevere
@iAmSevere Жыл бұрын
So then why didnt he go ssj3 and completely shit on vegeta to then also top the revival of buu. With everything you just said, this still accomplishes that. It seems as though you completely missed out the other part of his majin vegeta point
@ekayn1606
@ekayn1606 Жыл бұрын
Goku not teleporting back to earth with King Kai is the dumbest choice he ever made.
@peacefuldestroyer2135
@peacefuldestroyer2135 Жыл бұрын
He achieved ssj3 while dead which helped in the buu arc?
@gliizee
@gliizee Жыл бұрын
@@peacefuldestroyer2135 Thats not the point, Goku can’t see the damn future. The point is he had the ability to prevent his and King Kais death.
@bluesun3106
@bluesun3106 Жыл бұрын
@@peacefuldestroyer2135 If Goku lived, Majin Buu would have never been revived. He would still get ssj3, Vegeta would not have a reason for going under Babidi's control for a fight with Goku, because he would be training and fighting with Goku every other day or month. Gohan would Slack off less. I can go on but I think you get it. Without Vegeta's BS for wanting to fight Goku, Buu would not be revived.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
​@@peacefuldestroyer2135how would have Goku know a ss3 was even a thing
@sai1737
@sai1737 Жыл бұрын
​@game universe how did Goku know Super Saiyan 3 was a thing in heaven that's the point you found it out by training long enough
@captain_crook1993
@captain_crook1993 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta made it pretty clear he was going to keep killing people until Goku agreed to fight him. Supreme Kai was effectively sentencing thousands of Earthlings to death by trying to stop them from fighting.
@chaossnowkitsune6377
@chaossnowkitsune6377 Жыл бұрын
And in any other series that might actually actually be a problem, but remember this is Dragon Ball. Those thousands of people would have easily been wished back without issue after finishing Babidi and co off. All of whom did die later in the arc anyway and were brought back. In other words letting Vegeta kill everyone in the stadium would have amounted to no consequences in the long run especially since buu never would have been revived
@theredscum4202
@theredscum4202 Жыл бұрын
The dragon balls can only bring you back one time. If they needed to revive people on earth again what would they do
@jackmanleblanc2518
@jackmanleblanc2518 Жыл бұрын
​@@chaossnowkitsune6377 Letting evil acts be done because you can fix them is still immoral.
@StevenJones851
@StevenJones851 Жыл бұрын
​@@jackmanleblanc2518it really is
@StevenJones851
@StevenJones851 Жыл бұрын
Also Goku could of just went Super Saiyan 3 and one shot Vegeta in like 1.2 Seconds
@SanitysTheif
@SanitysTheif Жыл бұрын
I think Goku just has ADHD; he hyperfocuses on fighting because that's his passion and unintentionally neglects everything else.
@justjoshua5759
@justjoshua5759 Жыл бұрын
Literally. It just seems sociopathic because how obvious to most ppl the value of a fight is in comparison to loved ones.
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Жыл бұрын
It still means he lacks empathy
@Not_obligated2care
@Not_obligated2care Жыл бұрын
Literally me when it comes to my interests it’s how I focus on myself and the things I gotta do and have passion for plus I’m ADHD.
@bloocarracer333
@bloocarracer333 Жыл бұрын
Goku doesnt have any mental disorders, keep projecting them onto him even though it’s clearly not true.
@solarfiringtiger4254
@solarfiringtiger4254 Жыл бұрын
@@bloocarracer333 maybe not ADHD but Goku definitely has something, bro hit his head while falling from a cliff
@sapphirefractal4506
@sapphirefractal4506 Жыл бұрын
I liked the video. My only real pain point with the is that sociopathy is being conflated with overall selfishness. Goku is selfish, but the DSM-5 has more strict requirements to even have him in the conversation for being a sociopath. He would need to show a consistent lack of empathy, lack of remorse, a lack of impulse control and manipulation.
@orrorsaness5942
@orrorsaness5942 Жыл бұрын
King Cold is an actual sociopath.
@Conrad1274
@Conrad1274 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, people like to use the word a lot, but don't really understand what makes a person a sociopath.
@charliebann5605
@charliebann5605 Жыл бұрын
I think the reason Goku was so hessitent with fighting Majjin Vegeta was to stop Vegeta from killing people in the stadium Shin stopping Goku from fighting Vegeta would result in Vegeta causing more bodies to pile up (The audiance also includes his friends and wife) so it kinda makes sense for Goku to threaten Shin
@buttermanaws4693
@buttermanaws4693 Жыл бұрын
As a person I think Goku is overall a good person but at the same time yes, I do think he has a sociopathic personality i do think it's partly the saiyan in him leaking out since we see with half breeds like Gohon,Goten and Trunks that they do have that desire to fight strong people but even Vegeta thinks he goes too far sometimes and yells at him for his actions so it's definitely not 100% the saiyan in him he's just like that.
@Sennodev
@Sennodev Жыл бұрын
vegeta fight for pride and ego goku fight for fun and joy
@kristopherdorsey8561
@kristopherdorsey8561 Жыл бұрын
@@Sennodev people often forget that difference between the two characters.
@nicholasaugello2534
@nicholasaugello2534 Жыл бұрын
Something tells me Vegeta learned his lesson after the cell saga.
@MomoTheDisciple
@MomoTheDisciple Жыл бұрын
Saiyans have a desire to fight not a desire to let people go… Saiyans had no problem killing their enemies
@justinarzola4584
@justinarzola4584 Жыл бұрын
Sociopaths/ psychopaths do bad things on purpose, Goku is kind hearted and the bad things that happen from his actions are due to his saiyan nature and love of fighting which is just the selfish nature of saiyans but super really took this too far
@Supl3xcity
@Supl3xcity Жыл бұрын
The only way I could defend goku teleporting cell to king kais Planet is because it's the only place he knows a ki signature that would also kill the least amount of people.
@armedweiss5531
@armedweiss5531 Жыл бұрын
It's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. Either he does nothing and let Cell blow up Earth, teleport to another plant in the universe and doom its entire population to death, or go to King Kai's. A planet with a tiny population that already lives in the afterlife so dying wouldn't even really change anything
@sixfromtokyo
@sixfromtokyo Жыл бұрын
That doesn't defend him not teleporting King Kai & Bubbles away and just sitting there to let them die.
@Talesofaweedsmoker
@Talesofaweedsmoker Жыл бұрын
​@@sixfromtokyobut it literally does he had to make a split second decision.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
​@@Talesofaweedsmokerhe literally had time to talk to king Kai and tell him sorry
@Supl3xcity
@Supl3xcity Жыл бұрын
@Six True.
@naaga7932
@naaga7932 Жыл бұрын
The amount of people I see who reference TFS abridged as like actual dbz canon is kinda unreal
@Jragon_Baller
@Jragon_Baller Жыл бұрын
The senzu moment with Cell may have been a little better if Gohan wasn’t scared out of his mind😂 But with him wondering why he was being sent out, that made goku look extra terrible💀
@SonGoku-bg1fr
@SonGoku-bg1fr Жыл бұрын
He wasn't scared though. He was surprised, unconfident, and confused, but definitely not scared.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
​@@SonGoku-bg1frhe was scared not what people think but it one hundred percent confirmed he was scared but it was of his power even android 16 said so
@xGullrieaTx
@xGullrieaTx Жыл бұрын
​@ShamarKemet 😂😂😂
@supagreatman2826
@supagreatman2826 Жыл бұрын
The fact goku IQ was so high went over yall heads
@StevenJones851
@StevenJones851 Жыл бұрын
​@@supagreatman2826Only in fighting is his IQ high outside of that he's Dumber than Patrick Star
@devinknox7558
@devinknox7558 Жыл бұрын
Goku has a child brain, he hit his head so hard that it fundamentally changed his personality, and probably stunted his emotional growth. Also he was raised by martial artists who believed that it's better to humble opponents than kill them. That worked out with Vegeta, and while it sorta worked on Frieza it had a more negative effect because rather than changing his ways he just figured out that he's not the only strong being in the universe. As for the decision to fight vegeta, what were his options?
@jupiteralt
@jupiteralt Жыл бұрын
I love these kinda videos. Its always fun to look at our real world idea of Morality and what's good. Compared to crazy anime worlds where things are completely different and people act different.
@UnwantedGhost1
@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын
Goku's instant transmission isn't Supreme Kai's teleportation. He couldn't sense an empty planet to put Cell there in a very short time window.
@sixfromtokyo
@sixfromtokyo Жыл бұрын
I didn't say or imply that. I said he spoke a sentence rather than using his full speed to get King Kai out of there.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
It's his fault king Kai and bubbles died
@UnwantedGhost1
@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын
​@@sixfromtokyo I'm not if he'd even teleport to them to get out of there in time. But if Akira Toriyama says he could, then you'd be completely right.
@UnwantedGhost1
@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын
​@@gameuniverse5973 To be fair, he wasn't expecting it to happen. Goku maybe a sociopath, but he's definitely not evil.
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
@six You’d have a point if the whole 5 minutes until namek explodes didn’t have Goku and Friza talk. So basically characters in dbz can talk stupid fast and their speech is slowed down for theatrics just like their movement.
@ButchersBoxingShop
@ButchersBoxingShop Жыл бұрын
I have to pause at the gohan part. The bean to cell is possibly one of the most misunderstood moments of all time. Also, Gohan spent 2 years in the chamber, and is turning 17 during the buu arc so it makes him more like 11- turning twelve during cell id you use the toriyama quote interpretation. Wich you shouldnt because toriyama does NOT know his own timeline. I support gokus decision, and if you actually read dragon ball with thw right mindset and understanding of martial arts and psychology youd start to blame gohan for it. Im a martial artist who loves philosophy and manga. Specifically, dragon ball. And one thing that always stood out to me is dragon balls unique commentary on how we choose to live our lives. Every character in fiction ever is a symbol or an analog for a deeper philosophical meaning the author intended. Superman represent truth and justice, naruto represents a pure heart deterimnation, batman is self overcoming/truama etc. But in dragon ball, this idea is very... Relied upon. People dont understand why they like dragon ball usually except the fights, But its because each of these characters are treated as if they each have seperate minds from the plot. Or atleast they are when its peak. What i mean by this is that at no point in the series does everyone have the same internal goal, yes, everyone wants to beat cell, but vegeta wants to prove his ego, Goku wants to push his son, trunks wants to prevent his truamtic future/past, picolo wants to be at peace, Etc etc. I have to make this clear because in order to fully understand why goku gave cell that bean, You have to understand the message goku has been taught his whole life and that he humself represents the learning of, self responsibility, wich was lacking in gohan. Wich in some parts, from a psychological perspective, is gohans fault. Gokus entire life has been fighting, martial arts. In order to get better as a fighter and as a person goku has had to take the martial artist approach to life. So much of gokus character is directly linked to the concept of the monk personality archetype within martial arts. A martial artist willing to stand rigid and bend with life as he sees fit. A martial artist expressing the very true highest form of martial arts, against the very highest form of opponent within martial arts, fate. The very highest form of martial arts is the ability to know when to stand and fight till the end for what you want or love, and to know when your own ego will get in your way. In other words, the highest expression of martial arts, Both in a fight and life, Is learning presciscley when to attack, and when not too. Gokus struggle with this is the epicenter of his internal character struggle between the monk archetype and the warrior archetype. See,the reasons why goku pushed gohan so hard, is because like goku, Gohan has the ability to integrate these achtypes within himself, and has the ones nessisary to become stronger as a person. In other words, Gohan has been given everything he needs to to learn the ultimate expression of martial arts. And before you say gohan is sheltered. No, hes not. Gohan wasnt lied to, gohan was told he was found in a forest. I get its traumatic, but from thr age of 4 gohan was told explicitly what the conditions of life were, and in addition was given things goku had to wait his whole life for like family and proper nurturement from a group , not to mention training and school. Yes its alot of pressure, But goku, a kid with amnesia, without anything but the ability to scrap made his way from that house in the woods all the way to god hood, By learning when to attack, and when not too. By learning when to put life on blast, when to be a warrior, and when not too. And in some respects, that was his right of passage into adult hood both from a maturity look at a martial arts look. Goku did this without barley ANYONE telling him. He had to interpret all of this from masters, from cryptic training, younger than gohan in some cases. And lets take a side note to mention vegeta, vegeta struggles to express the highest form of martial arts aswell, as he did not know how to balance the warrior and the human inside of him. Hes the personification of the warrior archetype in martial arts, a fighter that believes fighting, establishing your will over your opponents and problems is the only true way to win any encounter in life, the only way to quiet your insecurities, fears, doubts, hates, enemies, problems witb the wold, is to become strong enough to totally destroy them. Unlike goku, he has a even harder time understanding when to sit down. This is the difference between them, and one of the deeper messages of dragon ball as a whole, that goku is willing to look upon himself for imporvment. Goku is willing to do the REAL hard work, the self intrusive hard work. From a niestchzian perspective hes taken the step towards self actualization that swinish, hedonistic pigs like us cannot fathom. From a stoic perspective hed be a perfect example of a stoic warrior. From a martial arts perspective hes the embodiment of the warrior monk. A man willing to do what others wont, Be honest and tru to himself, in all faucets of life. Literally all this is, is self responsibility. This is why goku remains the strongest cast member of the z fighters because hes willing to be true to himself. We all look at goku like a sociopath, when really hes trying to show us how to be authentic. Gohans pushing during the cell arv was deserved, For lack of a better term goku had realised gohan was a pussy. He had a good heart,and was even willing to fight, but he didn't wanna be true to himself in ever way. He didnt wanna be a sadistic warrior, even though he is, He didnt want to be all these things related to fighting in dragon ball, even though were shown time and time again, that he is. Gohans suffering in this battle with cell is 100% on himself. He is the only one that didnt buy into his strength. Literally think about it, forget my long winded explanation. If gohan had just literally pushed him, been a man about it, and that sounds harsh but thats the reality of self improvement, theres no way out but facing your own issues, But being tru to yourself. Strength if found in truth, and truth can only be obtained once YOU stop lying. In gohans case, stop lying about his insecurities. It was always up to gohan to get over his mental humps of weakness, like it is for all of us, And the reason why gohan never resents goku for the cell arc is because gohan KNOWS this. Goku did nothing in the cell arc but what a super powerful father trying to help his son in life do, Goku gave cell gohan as a sport, and we have to remember it was GOHAN who fumbled the bag and let goku die and the world almost blown up. Literally, The entire cell arc can be avoided is gohan stfu, started listening to the people around him like goku did, and just believe in himself. It feels weird for blaming someone for not believing in themselves but theres no one else to blame. This is why goku is the strongest still, when he looses in life, even in the cell arc when he SHOULD blame gohan for fumbling the bag against cell, He only blames himself. This is true growth,sighn of a person truly in pursuit of strength, and not lying to himself for validation, like vegeta, Like picolo jr at the start of the series, like frieza when he was scared of the warrior of legend And just like gohan when he would not believe in his own inner power despite EVERYONE giving him the chance even his mom.
@ButchersBoxingShop
@ButchersBoxingShop Жыл бұрын
Follow up. Goku fought majin vegeta for the same reason that he gave cell the bean. Goku, Like the platonic concept of the eternal inquirer does not, and has realised he cannot give people the answer by the time the buu saga rolls around. Gokus id almost complete in his monk arc, as shown by the end of z, and at this point at the fight with majin vegeta has sorta fully developed his monk personality and ways. What goku realises is what we should realise about other people, Its actually a very powerful concept. Deeper than goku showing mercy to an opponent, this represents gokus ability to understand other peoples emotions, aswell as when someone isnt being true to themselves. Goku fully realises that the only way for vegeta to fully complete self actualization he must treat vegeta like a enemy once again, the only way to make vegeta to confront himself as a warrior is to defeat him psychologically in ways that attack his warrior pride. Ie: Beating his ass, and without some flashy 3rd form as an excuse. Its essentially tough love, As goku fid the same with gohan using cell as a pushing method, He instead directly had to pish vegeta to start questioning his decisions, and goku knows hes the only on sick enough in the head to understand thats how to get through to vegeta. They both understand each other so well as fighters, and as a fighter myself i can say that once you establish a fighting bond with someone, ita deeper than anything, sometimes even your love for your spouses. When fighting someone you are having a conversation and you are conveying a point; being that my way of living, who i am, what I've done to prepare for this moment is superior to what you have done for this moment. In other words, to beat someone in a fair fight between warriors, is to teach them a better way of life, to teach them a better way towards strength. Battle is not actually the only thing vegeta understands, But its the only thing he listens to. He lives for fighting, so any lessons about life must come through fighting and combat. On the other hand, Goku is fighting for life, in all ways you can take that. Lessons for him will come through life and improve him in fighting. This is why vegeta is the warrior like explained earlier and goku is the monk. What aspect of themselves they put first, fighting, or living. Goku fights majin vegeta because the only way to teach a man like vegeta a lesson, is to do it with your hands.
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing all of this, I got a lot out of it.
@kristopherdorsey8561
@kristopherdorsey8561 Жыл бұрын
100% true facts
@LibraKai
@LibraKai 29 күн бұрын
1 year late but I still want to say I concur for the most part, just have a few corrections for the beginning: 1) Gohan did not spend 2 years in the chamber. It was stated multiple times that that Goku and Gohan weren't even in the chamber for a full year (with Mr. Popo directly quoting that they had 3 hours left when they exited, meaning it was roughly 21 hours). 2) Gohan was 9 throughout most of the Cell Saga, but was 10 during the Cell Games. The Super Exciting Guide in '09 states his birthday as May 18th (likely thanks to the anime, but still technically canonized). Goku and Gohan came out of the chamber the same day Cell announced the Cell Games (which would be the 17th as Cell states the Cell Games takes place on the 26th; it was originally stated as the 17, but considering the androids arrived on the 12th, that was likely a mess-up on the editor or [most probably] Toriyama's end). Gohan was 16 around the Buu Saga because the events of the Saga happen roughly one week before his 17th birthday (It's been stated in Daizenshuu 4 that the Tenkaichi Budokai always takes place on May 7th, and the events of the Buu Saga happen over the course of about 2 days, excluding the one month prelude at the beginning.) Other than that, yeah your points are pretty valid.
@MasonC2K
@MasonC2K Жыл бұрын
I think the biggest evidence against Goku being sociapathic is that he does care what happens to others. Deflecting Frieza's attacks intentionally so that wouldn't land near his friends. Taking big battles that start near or in cities to somewhere in the middle of nowhere. He's stupid but not uncaring.
@imlootkemia
@imlootkemia Жыл бұрын
careful six, you dont wanna piss off that one dude for misusing sociopath💀
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I heard that boy is spicy.😂
@rubberballoonlover5471
@rubberballoonlover5471 Жыл бұрын
Who exactly?
@xmere
@xmere Жыл бұрын
Goku is a man who made the sacrifices he needed to for the sake of society. Sometimes these actions can be viewed as self centered depending on the outcome of the action, which is why some people may think Goku only cares about himself. But the entirety of the story we see that Goku is selfless in all actions, with deep emotions for not only his family, but even his enemies, and people he doesnt even know (random civilians) so no, he isnt a sociopath, just a good guy
@kristopherdorsey8561
@kristopherdorsey8561 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for understanding goku as a character because alot of people like to Betray him in that matter.
@supagreatman2826
@supagreatman2826 Жыл бұрын
@@kristopherdorsey8561 yup
@malcolm32
@malcolm32 Жыл бұрын
Goku can't teleport *anywhere*. He can only teleport to a ki source that he can sense. It's like Minato's flying raijin markers except all the markers are people. Kaiō-sama's planet was the only place he could think to bring Cell to minimize collateral damage, since being dead wouldn't have much impact on a kai. Moving Cell also wasn't an option since any sudden move would set off Cell's explosion. I'm curious, Six, who would you have preferred Goku killed instead?
@InvaderJ_24
@InvaderJ_24 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing that out about Goku’s instant transmission. People tend to forget to that he can’t just teleport wherever he wants. Him teleporting Cell to King Kai was realistically the best thing he could do in that moment to minimize collateral damage.
@crimsoncross8823
@crimsoncross8823 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s like “kill” three people (himself, king Kai, and bubbles, two of whom already live in the afterlife) or let three billion die…. Yeah I think Goku made moral sense there….
@UnwantedGhost1
@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Most or almost every single fans should know this already. Goku's instant transmission isn't exactly like Supreme Kai's teleportation.
@finaloblivion799
@finaloblivion799 Жыл бұрын
Except Cell stole Goku's Instant Transmission and literally went back to Earth from heaven you idiot
@sixfromtokyo
@sixfromtokyo Жыл бұрын
I didn't say he could teleport anywhere nor did I imply it. I'm implying he should have moved faster grabbed King Kai and then left with him instead of killing him in the explosion.
@kingofcrap4414
@kingofcrap4414 Жыл бұрын
I'm very happy that you made sure to clarify that Z Goku was a smart guy.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
Letting Buu live causing untold mayhem and trauma yeah sure
@Funwolf47
@Funwolf47 Жыл бұрын
​@@gameuniverse5973 The entire Z fighters got something wrong with them. Instead of jumping cell. They let the tournament happen like bruh
@StevenJones851
@StevenJones851 Жыл бұрын
@@Funwolf47 that's Cause Goku was there leader if he wasn't they would of suggested Jumping Cell
@Observer709
@Observer709 Жыл бұрын
This is a very good video! people like to villainize goku for no reason and make him out to be this awful abusive person when he has experienced death twice to save his friends and family. He's definitely selfish and doesn't think things through, but he's also very caring and attached to the people he protects.
@RomanHistoryFan476AD
@RomanHistoryFan476AD Жыл бұрын
To be fair to the man, With Vegeta during the Buu arc if he had not fought Vegeta likely Vegeta would just start attacking the civilians or Goku anyway.
@VGamingJunkieVT
@VGamingJunkieVT Жыл бұрын
To Goku's slight credit, he actually listened to Piccolo chewing him out when Cell was squeezing the life out of Gohan. He even yelled at Krillin to throw him a senzu bean, deciding he had to step in and save his son. It's just that Cell had other plans, stole the beans, and decided he's going to torture them instead.
@VGamingJunkieVT
@VGamingJunkieVT 11 ай бұрын
@@Reivaz88 He probably thought "Okay, aaaaany minute now he's going to get angry and Cell's gonna get it. Aaaaaaany minute now"
@VGamingJunkieVT
@VGamingJunkieVT 11 ай бұрын
@@Reivaz88 Eh, you could say that of saiyans in general then. You should see how Vegeta treats people, Goku was at least hesitant to hurt Gohan himself and Gohan even called him out on it.
@VGamingJunkieVT
@VGamingJunkieVT 11 ай бұрын
@@Reivaz88 Just making a point that it's a thing with pure blooded saiyans. Goku's nice about it, but the hunger for battle is in him too. He falsely assumed Gohan was into it, he thought Gohan would fight back and could easily crush Cell.
@Symba_Sense
@Symba_Sense Жыл бұрын
I think a part of the reason he went to fight Majin Vegeta, was because if he DIDN'T Vegeta would have continued to kill people until Goku went and fought him, or at the very least kept getting in the way of stopping Buu. Additionally, if Goku had went SSJ3 against, that wouldn't have been very wise of him since he's trying to consurve his power for the long run, and I don't think he would have lasted doing it twice against both Vegeta and Buu like he did. I whole-heartly believe this was the better route that just didn't end how he expected it to, vegeta would have been a problem in the long run, so he decided to end it then and there. As for sending Gohan into fight, I think if he hadn't, the world would have been destroyed and that Gohan was there best bet. While having a child fight was the worst possible plan to bank on, especially a 9 year old, I don't even think the combined might of Goku, Vegeta and Trunks could have beat Cell after what we seen him do during the Gohan fight. Especially since during this time, you couldn't convice Vegeta to jump in to join the team. And while absolutely selfish to Gohan (though why is he training with Goku, if he's not gonna fight) I don't know if it was his intention, it would have been for the greater good, he was the best fighter they had.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
Does not matter he himself said he could have killed Buu but don't so him going ss3 against Vegeta should have happen
@Symba_Sense
@Symba_Sense Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 And right after he fought buu, he went back to the look out and that was the last of his energy. He couldn't have went SSJ3 twice that day, and had to pick his time, and we both know Vegeta was NOT as big of a threat and Majin buu. He made the right choice saving it for when he needed it.
@DirtyDev
@DirtyDev Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 ssj3 is a retcon that at the time of majin vegeta and goku’s fight did not exist
@Diavolo
@Diavolo Жыл бұрын
Ngl Six I was waiting for the full GT breakdown hahaha nah gs nother dope vid
@jamesjohnson8544
@jamesjohnson8544 Жыл бұрын
No he wasn’t. He actually had compassion and care for people. They regressed him
@leultrainstinct406
@leultrainstinct406 Жыл бұрын
he never regressed. He still has more compassion and care. In fact I’d say he has even more then he did as a kid. In og db, he had a very black and white perspective. The more he grew up, the more empathy he had towards evil people. But he was also discovering his identity as a saiyan. So the two sides conflicted.
@jamesjohnson8544
@jamesjohnson8544 Жыл бұрын
@@leultrainstinct406 mate he regressed m. Theirs videos showing this.
@Isotolerant
@Isotolerant Жыл бұрын
​@@jamesjohnson8544 nah gokus kindness never regressed
@decepticonxhunter4850
@decepticonxhunter4850 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesjohnson8544 Those videos are almost always made by ppl who never actually read or paid attention to what happened in the manga. Goku in Super is completely consistent with who he was in the original _DB_ and _Z_ .
@jamesjohnson8544
@jamesjohnson8544 Жыл бұрын
@@decepticonxhunter4850 no it’s not. He doesn’t even understand the importance of meditation anymore. That’s not consistent maybe
@emeraldpichu1
@emeraldpichu1 Жыл бұрын
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate that you go out of your way to explain that an explanation it’s not a justification. There are so many bad arguments especially with Dragon ball That just boil down to it’s OK because saiyan biology Or some other similar plot device
@JTCLAN1
@JTCLAN1 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, if the supreme Kai did end up dying I'm sure the writers would have found a different way to integrate Beerus and Whis into the story since they didn't retroactively exist back then to begin with.
@himofn
@himofn Жыл бұрын
Wow Six I never knew you loved DB and Goku so much cuz I’ve only seen mostly Naruto content from u. We definitely need more Dragon Ball vids
@gangstagummybear3432
@gangstagummybear3432 Жыл бұрын
He is much better than Vegeta, Vegeta was the literal cause of every enemy in Z: Frieza may have been manageable to defeat if Vegeta had never said, "why dont you transform Frieza?" But thanks to that, the Z warriors are introduced to the first enemy with a power level in excess of 1 million Cell, "now go and absorb your android" then proceeds to get in Trunks' way of stopping Cell from absorbing the android Buu, "forced Goku into a fight, which resulted in Buu being fully resurrected with his full power, this kicked off a series of terrible situations that would have been different if he never did that
@gnawvy
@gnawvy Жыл бұрын
Wow, the manga in color looks AMAZING! gonna start picking that up
@StevenJones851
@StevenJones851 Жыл бұрын
i wish i could of read it in Color before
@lore766
@lore766 Жыл бұрын
In the android saga I could be wrong but the main point of why goku and the others didn't go after gero immediately was bc he didn't do anything wrong yet, "why punish someone who did nothing wrong yet?" Type deal and if im right that sounds good morals to me
@Theamz
@Theamz Жыл бұрын
Watching this video made me realize that GT goku is the opposite from DBZ goku. That’s impressive character development from Z to GT.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
Dint gt Goku spend a while trapped in a board game and in hell playing with Frieza and cell
@Theamz
@Theamz Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973he was forced to play the board game and if he refused or lost, he would die. As for hell, he was also trapped in there and was unable to get out without the help of piccolo and dende.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
@@Theamz he literally threatened both of the racoons to let him go and they did with hell he was just wandering around
@Theamz
@Theamz Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 again, it’s stated by the elder kai that goku cannot scape and the only reason why they scaped was because of Kibito kai’s interference. As for hell, goku can’t leave by himself as well. Both scenario’s are out of goku’s hand and has no other option but play the game and confront cell and frieza.
@shinoshiny
@shinoshiny Жыл бұрын
As an asian person, growing up in asia, watching asian tv and reading asian stories, I say Goku's actions are pretty standard without a doubt, as the main representation of pure, innocence, main hero, a teacher, a father, a rival. But it seems like western folks can't wrap their head around these simple stuffs, which are just normal moral teachings from asian cultures. (Dragonball is from Japan, where do u think is that)
@okami7847
@okami7847 Жыл бұрын
So you're saying most asians are like Goku? I'd rather just take your username at face value.
@qlitch
@qlitch Жыл бұрын
wasnt expecting to get spoiled for GoT in THIS video of all videos LMFAOO been out for years tho so im not complaining too hard
@Rain_901
@Rain_901 Жыл бұрын
I mean you can’t really compare a humans mental frame work with a Saiyans. The idea of ‘disregarding ones safety or other people safety’ is a mostly human thing. Heck saiyans live and die for battle, which obviously isn’t really a safe philosophy. Goku’s stupid mistakes weren’t really about sociopathy it was more about overconfidence. The senzu bean thing, him not teleporting to earth after training in yardart etc
@ShabreaChandler
@ShabreaChandler Жыл бұрын
I love that thumbnail 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@venomz8888
@venomz8888 Жыл бұрын
I believe the reason Toriyama had Goku give Cell a Senzu bean was to show that Gohan was going to defeat Cell at his full power as a SSJ2 to pass the torch to Gohan as the new protector of Earth. This correlates with Goku at the end of the arc not wanting to return to life to stop villains from wanting to kill him and having Gohan to protect Earth. I agree that even understanding why Goku did that, it’s still very stupid, but I thought of a cool alternative or “what if” scenario that doesn’t devolve Goku for making a stupid decision. Have Gohan fight Cell who was weakened from fighting Goku and still beating Gohan easily, then when the Cell Juniors are formed, have Cell order two of them to gang up on Goku to steal his bag of Senzu beans so Cell can have one. Gohan then goes SSJ2 and everything that happened in the original remains the same, except Goku never gave Cell a bean and Gohan’s new power up seems even more impressive when weakened Cell was beating up SSJ1 Gohan and now is getting destroyed by SSJ2 Gohan after having a Senzu bean.
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
Wow, that kinda works perfectly.
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
@@whateveriwant6985 good point, that’s actually pretty possible. Especially because Gohan is stronger than Goku even before ssj2. Gohan doesn’t believe that Goku was going all out against cell. Goku had to tell Gohan that he was. Going all out.
@venomz8888
@venomz8888 Жыл бұрын
Love these videos, they are quite thought provoking! Keep it up Six!
@daiblo.dshadow
@daiblo.dshadow Жыл бұрын
I don't know Goku is sociopath or not but I am 70% sure Minato is a sociopath.
@cKarmaRL
@cKarmaRL Жыл бұрын
I’ll live for competent dragon ball videos, keep’em comin.
@jamiemcneil9682
@jamiemcneil9682 Жыл бұрын
I think Goku has an ABI (acquired brain injury) due to falling and smashing head, as a baby, which altered his personality from wild and uncontrollable to calm and loving. This could also have impair his decision-making progress.
@sinoxilurk4126
@sinoxilurk4126 Жыл бұрын
im only 3 mins in but playing goofy db music when talking about sociopaths is the funniest shit ever
@sixfromtokyo
@sixfromtokyo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching :)
@CoolOkay_
@CoolOkay_ Жыл бұрын
🔥 Goku day
@crystalfire7x
@crystalfire7x Жыл бұрын
You're welcome and Happy Goku/Piccolo Day.
@dallasowens5277
@dallasowens5277 Жыл бұрын
F*cking Six bro, what’s good
@UnwantedGhost1
@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading great videos. I'm staying subscribed.
@niccoloparker3548
@niccoloparker3548 Жыл бұрын
Six I love your content. Kindly modulate your voice more. Like more emphasis, dramatics As the videos are typically long it results in a monotone type feel.
@UnwantedGhost1
@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын
*"Still not a hero though."* - Carthu's Dojo
@banshotenin1178
@banshotenin1178 Жыл бұрын
That's true. Goku was being selfish when he made Gohan fight Cell and gave Cell a Sensu Bean...but I think that was subtly part of Goku's character development. He was too stubborn to realize because Gohan was half saiyan and not full blooded, he didn't thirst for blood like Goku & Vegeta did as full blooded saiyans. His train of thought at the time seemed to be the fact that he realized he wouldn't always be around to save the world, but somone who is more powerful than he or Vegeta (who at the time couldn't be counted on to be the world's defender due to his selfish Saiyan pride, which is completely justified since he's literally the uncrown King of ALL saiyans) in Gohan who's also shown far more potential than either of them but who is kind enough and level headed enough to be a force of Good not Evil was the perfect candidate. And when he gave cell a Sensu bean, Goku knew that Cell wasn't going to be the last Uber powerful villain so what good would prepping Gohan to be earth's new protector be if he only fought against a not at 100% Cell. In order to really take the crown or mantle as earth's protector from Goku, Gohan would have to face perfect cell at 100%. Goku's seeming shortsightedness turned out to be the exat catalyst that proved Goku right all along about Gohan. But as Goku eventually Grows and develops as a character after realizing Gohan went full cocky mode because he had never exp'd that kind of power when he went SSJ2 and got a bit cocky again as Ult Gohan in the Boo Saga and again placed his faith in the childish Gotenks (Because they're freaking children, by the end of Z, Goku finally realized that they had failed and technically he failed because he was counting on himself alone or them alone to succeed at defending the earth, when in reality what allowed them to defend the earth time and time again was relying on each other and working together. His char dev is a lot like Naruto's in that regard. Itachi also preached teamwork after death to Naruto.
@jordan-matthewdavis
@jordan-matthewdavis Жыл бұрын
I always thought Goku giving the senzu bean was because Super Saiyan power comes out of a need and not a desire. Maybe it was because I was just a kid when I watched but I felt that if goku wouldve let gohan fight cell without the bean it would have given gohan a way out of needing to transform. Great vid!
@kitkat6959
@kitkat6959 Жыл бұрын
Goku? No. Kakarrot? Yes.
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
Carrotop? Yes
@carlosguerrero6501
@carlosguerrero6501 Жыл бұрын
Cacaroot? Yes
@garryjones1776
@garryjones1776 Жыл бұрын
Cacarrotcake?
@E.................
@E................. Жыл бұрын
They are the same person
@nicholasaugello2534
@nicholasaugello2534 Жыл бұрын
​@@E................. no u
@twocents3050
@twocents3050 Жыл бұрын
Powerscaling This Mental Condition is wild 😂 a mad interesting vid
@charleslathrop9743
@charleslathrop9743 Жыл бұрын
For the record it definitely IS more noble to kill 10,000 men in battle than a dozen at dinner.
@bearlutz8114
@bearlutz8114 Жыл бұрын
I really really enjoyed that!!! First time ive EVER AEEN THIS TALKED about
@somebeing803
@somebeing803 Жыл бұрын
1. Goku disagreed with Bulma's plan to kill Gero before he did anything and like you pointed it was more of a group decision. The bigger issue is that no one came up with a better counter option. Bulma's plan was not a good one, especially since they probably wouldn't destroy the place which would keep Gero's computer going. 2. Goku not understanding Gohan is very understandable and realistic, not like Gohan made it clear he didn't like fighting. As for the senzu bean, that was a problem for Gohan, it anyone else of the Dragon Team had Gohan's potential they probably would have given Cell the senzu themselves. That just showed how different Gohan was from everyone else. As for age, when was that ever a factor? Goku isn't the "hero" because of his age or maturity it's because he tends to be the strongest. 3. Goku did not have enough time to teleport back from King Kai, Goku doesn’t just teleport to a planet he has to lock on to someone's ki, he would have to get to King Kai then quickly search back for someone's ki back on Earth, by the time he would be able to do all that, Cell would have already exploded. Other than those points, I basically agreed with what you had to say. I will just add, Goku never grew up experiencing life in a typical way; meaning of course he doesn't view situations like we would. There's a reason we would respond differently than Goku and it's not because we are less sociopathic or more intelligent or care more etc. We learned different life lessons for how to deal with things than Goku. For instance most of us grow up with hero stories that informs our view of what makes a hero, Goku had none of that.
@michaeleanthonyjr
@michaeleanthonyjr Жыл бұрын
I severely doubt that Goku wouldn't have been able to lock onto even one of the 7.8 billion people on earth, a planet he's been on numerous times before, in time if he had instead spent that time talking. Metatextually speaking, he only didn't teleport back to earth with King Kai because it would undercut his sacrifice if he lived after giving his speech and Toriyama wanted the gag. He could likely have teleported back before the explosion occurred if the writing wanted it to happen because the flow of time in a shonen story is arbitrary. Even ignoring that, he could have grabbed Kai and Bubbles and flown away potentially fast enough to escape the explosion. He literally didn't even try to keep them from dying, so the idea that he just didn't have enough time doesn't work for me with a character as fast as him. The only real justification is that Toriyama put the story before the logic.
@somebeing803
@somebeing803 Жыл бұрын
@Silver Bean he barely said a thing. It sounds you're going off the anime which dragged it out. In the manga the whole thing happened in 6 panels total (3 of which is the explosion). King Kai doesn't even have time to respond before Cell explodes.
@kristopherdorsey8561
@kristopherdorsey8561 Жыл бұрын
Finally someone understands goku's character more then others.
@michaeleanthonyjr
@michaeleanthonyjr Жыл бұрын
@@somebeing803 Even still, my point still stands.
@somebeing803
@somebeing803 Жыл бұрын
@Silver Bean if we're talking anime only, but if we go off the manga, not really
@abhinandannandan3863
@abhinandannandan3863 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video Happy Goku Day
@crimsoncross8823
@crimsoncross8823 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think Goku is sociopathic, heck, I don’t even think a lot of his decisions are as bad as certain people make them out to be in the fandom (him giving Cell a bean was wild, but c’mon guys, the dude clearly cares for his son, he just misunderstood him) but the homie can be very selfish and that’s part of why Goku is interesting as a character. Pure of heart and yet maybe that purity can be a negative thing in its own way….
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
Letting Buu live and giving Moro a senzu existing
@Frozoken
@Frozoken Жыл бұрын
Exactly people don't understand that pure doesn't necessarily mean good, it means a lack of evil. He doesn't do anything out of malice but he doesn't think of their potentially harmful effects on others.
@bloocarracer333
@bloocarracer333 Жыл бұрын
I especially hate when people project their mental disorders onto goku, like cmon he’s normal
@decepticonxhunter4850
@decepticonxhunter4850 Жыл бұрын
@@Frozoken Within the context of the story, it does mean good. Goku got to go to Other World when he died, so what else can it mean? Piccolo even tells Vegeta that when he gave him the whole speech in the Buu Arc about why Goku got to go to Other World when he died.
@ShaunboloshisII
@ShaunboloshisII Жыл бұрын
Honor is why he would heal an opponent. Fair fights.
@thomaswilson8080
@thomaswilson8080 Жыл бұрын
How powerful is Ben kenobi video or just more Star Wars videos in general please : )
@chris8292
@chris8292 Жыл бұрын
Let’s be honest here if you have ANY type of saiyan DNA running through your veins then yes you automatically have sociopathic tendencies 😂
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
Trunks does not seem to be a sociopath all his actions are justified also if he was he would have tortured the androids and cell but he made short work of them
@wizardothefool
@wizardothefool Жыл бұрын
what's the alternative to Gohan not fighting cell?
@NeoReoxis
@NeoReoxis Жыл бұрын
Right ☠️☠️☠️
@kristopherdorsey8561
@kristopherdorsey8561 Жыл бұрын
Everyone dies it is as simple as that
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
At least tell Gohan before hand while he sending him out he was mad confused why he was being chosen
@NeoReoxis
@NeoReoxis Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 wouldn’t that just be putting more pressure on him? 😭
@SRVaris
@SRVaris Жыл бұрын
Train in the Time Chamber for another year before the tournament
@bradleydias425
@bradleydias425 Жыл бұрын
I think we also misinterpret Goku's actions a lot by confusing the anime portrayal of the events and what happened in the Manga.
@spacemanspiff6332
@spacemanspiff6332 Жыл бұрын
I love that there's people out there who put more thought into cartoon comics than the authors themselves do. That said, why would Goku be super mad when someone kills his friend, when he knows he has dragon balls?
@matijajunger4800
@matijajunger4800 Жыл бұрын
Why so much mental gymnastics? All of that can be explained by just realizing that Goku in DBZ hates killing "people". He doesn't want to do it that's why he makes this sad face after blasting Freezer.
@zelz3011
@zelz3011 Жыл бұрын
Let's go. I wanted to watch this yesterday on the 9th but some stuff came up but I won't let myself fail to watch it today on the 10th.
@brandonreed3670
@brandonreed3670 Жыл бұрын
1. I don’t really think Goku sending Cell to King Kai’s planet was selfish because there was nothing else he could really do. He needs to sense Ki to teleport somewhere, and King Kai’s planet had the least number of people, all of whom were essentially already dead. Like yeah it was a dick move to basically drop a bomb on them, but they were already in heaven and got to keep their bodies. If he took them anywhere else more people would’ve been harmed. 2. The Majin Vegeta moment is definitely selfish, but I think SSJ3 was a retcon. In the moment it wasn’t selfish
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
You can also make the argument that ssj3 would’ve produced too much energy and awoken buu. Also it would’ve drained a ton of his time.
@brandonreed3670
@brandonreed3670 Жыл бұрын
@@___________0Z0X I don’t think so, because the damage to Babidi’s warriors doesn’t seem to contribute to Buu’s energy. Pui Pui and Yakkon get taken out pretty easily and Babidi gets upset because he isn’t getting any energy. I think damage that Babidi’s warriors inflict counts toward Buu, but not damage they receive. So if Goku transformed and one shotted Vegeta it probably wouldn’t do anything. And yeah it would drain a ton of his time, but he could just get wished back if he wanted to see his family that badly lol. I’d hope he would prioritize saving the earth over spending a few extra hours there.
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
@@brandonreed3670 I didn’t realize that with the energy thing. I only mentioned the time thing because if Goku is needed later, he won’t be there anymore.
@brandonreed3670
@brandonreed3670 Жыл бұрын
@@___________0Z0X the only reason Goku would need the time later is if Buu was revived. And Buu most likely wouldn’t have been revived if Goku had just beaten Vegeta quickly.
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
@@brandonreed3670 to be fair if, on the off chance, he was somehow revived. Then Goku would have nothing to stop him with. But yeah what you’re saying makes sense.
@NebulosDragon
@NebulosDragon Жыл бұрын
W Video Six Happy Goku Day
@gammafrost
@gammafrost Жыл бұрын
Are we gonna get that black Frieza vs beerus soon? I feel like you would have had a solid breakdown. Don’t know why you cut it out of your list last year
@Dontdoit_
@Dontdoit_ Жыл бұрын
I feel like that’s kind of impossible to do. We don’t know where Beerus lands at since BoG
@gammafrost
@gammafrost Жыл бұрын
@@Dontdoit_ it’s just a speculation video. Plenty other people have done videos about it. It’s all just theories. Beerus is still far above goku and Vegeta even with their new forms
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
​@@gammafrosti hate videos like that when we have literally zero info on both it like doing Shiba vs adult Boruto we don't know almost anything about the two
@romakorneev
@romakorneev Жыл бұрын
Oh there is a bigger theory, I wish I’ll have an opportunity and will record a video about it)
@dcloud1325
@dcloud1325 Жыл бұрын
So if you dont kill your opponent you have a mental condition. Sorry luffy you heard the man
@HumanB312
@HumanB312 Жыл бұрын
Yeah kind of Batman is insane and Luffy is dumb so is Naruto but he has more common sense
@FFL-7J
@FFL-7J Жыл бұрын
Great vid. (please) Make an INDEPTH GOHAN VID
@sixfromtokyo
@sixfromtokyo Жыл бұрын
It's planned.
@Cloke100
@Cloke100 Жыл бұрын
I'd say Super Goku is the closest to such a comparison.
@SacredSaiyan
@SacredSaiyan Жыл бұрын
Goat makes a Goated video about the Goat of anime :)
@ASleepyMori713
@ASleepyMori713 Жыл бұрын
Been messing with the channel hard lately
@siirgeatz613
@siirgeatz613 Жыл бұрын
Im just seeing this video just now and I was literally just thinking about the other side of Selfishness and I don’t mean Selflessness but being Selfish for a good reason
@patordeus
@patordeus Жыл бұрын
You cannot judge non-human characters by human standards, no matter how close to human they seem
@tagoruto3352
@tagoruto3352 Жыл бұрын
Being a warrior race is drilled into their dna
@EternalCosmiX
@EternalCosmiX Жыл бұрын
But non human characters are written and scripted by humans so naturally our residual energy and standards resides within them somewhere therefore A judgement can be made
@bartizzle
@bartizzle Жыл бұрын
Why, everyone does the same with Superman despite him being a Kryptonian.
@patordeus
@patordeus Жыл бұрын
@@bartizzle that true but irrelevant to my point, as I think the same for him. To us he seems heroic but he still isn’t human and therefore cannot be evaluated using our morality.
@patordeus
@patordeus Жыл бұрын
@@EternalCosmiX doesn’t matter when judging them as part of their world. You can agree or disagree with their actions based on your own morality but they are still simply not a human and cannot be expected to act as such or praised for it when they do.
@justsomeshinychewtlewitham6097
@justsomeshinychewtlewitham6097 7 ай бұрын
I think that the reason Goku didn't teleport King Kai away was due to not knowing when Cell will explode or if Cell would be able to lach onto him
@maxcelestin2446
@maxcelestin2446 Жыл бұрын
evil? No absolutely not but selfish? Yes the dude is never satisfied
@dai6646
@dai6646 Жыл бұрын
Blowing up your sensei’s planet is kinda evil lol
@UnwantedGhost1
@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын
​@@dai6646 Nah, him not reviving King Kai & Bubbles ever since then is evil. Why Akira Toriyama & Toei? Why?
@crimsoncross8823
@crimsoncross8823 Жыл бұрын
@@UnwantedGhost1 I think since they already live in the afterlife, why does it matter. Seemingly it seems like the only difference is whether or not they have a halo….
@gameuniverse5973
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
​@@crimsoncross8823king Kai literally ask him each time to revive him
@crimsoncross8823
@crimsoncross8823 Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 true, but he forgets. Why? Probably cuz literally nothing changes 😂. Homeboy lives in the afterlife, what good does not having a halo do him? (Not that I’m against king Kai coming back to life, I just don’t think it matters much in the grand scheme of things)
@orinlee6123
@orinlee6123 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Next quest? :D ... oh fine I'll watch to the end.
@mult1versal
@mult1versal Жыл бұрын
he may be a sociopath but he still negs sonic
@vegitoblue4601
@vegitoblue4601 Жыл бұрын
Cap 🗿
@chickentenders7075
@chickentenders7075 Жыл бұрын
He negs sonic
@mikeshepard2024
@mikeshepard2024 Жыл бұрын
No way you can say this based on Dragonball Magna/Archie Sonic Comics based on feats alone
@voidstarjo
@voidstarjo Жыл бұрын
A common misconception is goku could teleport with king kai, but in the manga the explosion was instant.
@Douglas628
@Douglas628 Жыл бұрын
There's also the fact that Goku wanted to show Vegeta that by the next time they meet, he could defeat him on his own, which turned out to be true. The entire fight was themed around Hard work vs Talent. It was definitely not the smartest move, but one that fitted Goku's character and the narrative.
@Jovial_Psychopath
@Jovial_Psychopath Жыл бұрын
I always assumed it because of how he saw piccolo reform. He gave him a chance in the hope he doesn’t do evil deeds. I’m the long run it did work out. This philosophy of his was challenged with Freeza. Also yea I agree he just wanted someone who would push him to be stronger.
@Douglas628
@Douglas628 Жыл бұрын
After Goku trained with Kami, he started giving most his enemies at least one chance. It's both because he matured as a character and received teaching from Kami in the value of life. Krillin's death in that arc affected him a lot too. It's not _always_ because he wants a fight later and think they can reform. Like with Freeza, where he just didn't want to go as low as him. He tried to completely humiliate Freeza instead, so he wouldn't ever try anything against them again. But at the end of the day, he couldn't let him live. But in the fight against Vegeta, he very much states that he wanted to prove that he could win on his own next time. At least that what he does in the original version.
@Jovial_Psychopath
@Jovial_Psychopath Жыл бұрын
@@Douglas628 Yea I agree with that.
@sterlingsloan6626
@sterlingsloan6626 Жыл бұрын
A Gohan analysis would go crazy!
@ojpickle5923
@ojpickle5923 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention he had no problem training away from his 5 year old for a year during peacetime. He could have trained on earth or gone to Earth and then taken Gohan back with him to yardrat. Either way most father's would have had a very difficult time staying away from their 5 year old child than the happy Goku did
@the_only_star-_-shining
@the_only_star-_-shining Жыл бұрын
But if he didn't train on yadrat for a year, he wouldn't have learned instant transmission, which he used to teleport cell, which turned into a ticking time bomb and was going to kill everyone. Plus, up to the year of peacetime goku had been busting his ass at that point, saving everyone on namek and defeating frieza. So him taking a year from his son to train and get stronger is somewhat justified.
@ojpickle5923
@ojpickle5923 Жыл бұрын
@@the_only_star-_-shining the point is most fathers would struggle to stay away from their 5 year old for so long if it's during peacetime. That's why I mentioned he could have first gone to Earth and then taken Gohan with him back to train on yardrat. Or if it's that important then he could have waited till the 3 year time skip and taken his whole training group with him that way he's still spending time with his son.
@the_only_star-_-shining
@the_only_star-_-shining Жыл бұрын
@oj pickle the thing is goku is not like most fathers, he's a saiyan and they are known for being terrible ( he's a good father by saiyan starndards). Also, chi chi would have a fit knowing that gohan was going right back into space after namek and would make him stay and continue his studies. You said after the 3 year timeskip he could just go back to yardrat, but after the 3 years he is infected with the heart virus and the androids show up, so there's no time for him to go to yardrat and train.
@ojpickle5923
@ojpickle5923 Жыл бұрын
@@the_only_star-_-shining Chi Chi would also throw a fit knowing that Gohan lost a year of his childhood in the time chamber but clearly Goku is willing to anger Chi Chi if it's the greater good. Goku also only got sick towards the end of the time skip, meaning he could have just gone to yardrat with his group during the beginning. So really he had plenty of ways to get his training in without leaving his kid for a long time
@the_only_star-_-shining
@the_only_star-_-shining Жыл бұрын
@oj pickle I see, you made a great argument, and I kinda agree with you. Have a great day
@dragondrakage2402
@dragondrakage2402 Жыл бұрын
19:40 a lil caveat is that goku mightve been unsure how much time hed have left after going into ssj3, and he mightve been needed after fighting vegeta. Or he mightve been worried hed accidentally kill vegeta, or would have to. Just speaking of a possibility tho
@whodatboi2567
@whodatboi2567 Жыл бұрын
I don't think Goku is a sociopath but rather I believe he effectively has high-functioning autism or at least is on the spectrum.
@Joan-jq5ho
@Joan-jq5ho Жыл бұрын
I do think in regards to Goku letting his enemies go away is a byproduct of OG Dragon Ball, which he learns to respect his opponents and even Master Roshi teaches him to honor his adversaries. On top that most of his friends didnt even start as friends, prime example being Tien, who literally tried to kill Goku more than once but turned over a new leaf after their fight
@eonmusic00001
@eonmusic00001 Жыл бұрын
APD, or ASPD as you call it, is not just sociopathy, it can be generalized as anything that causes anti-social behavior. Anti social behavior can be defined as anything that is ant society, murder, commiting crimes, you get it. Psycopathy and sociopathy are just the most common forms. Not saying you aren't aware of this, I am just elaborating to cover things that you missed because they aren't relevant to the video
@Golanm
@Golanm Жыл бұрын
Yeeeeeeee we love the six analyzing vidssss
@DillySenpai
@DillySenpai Жыл бұрын
It's no wonder people praise my content so much when videos like this are the vast majority of my competition. The anime/manga "analysis" sphere is a joke. It's the reason I hesitate to tell people what I do on KZbin, especially irl. And don't get me started on Sage's Rain. He's hailed as some analytical guru when he's just as unsightly as the rest of them. I'm convinced people get gaslit into thinking his commentary is profound because of his voice. There's creators like craftsdwarf, who actually have something to say, but almost never get the viewership they deserve, while these other creators rack in the profits from sub-par nonsense. The fact that a video with the subject of "Goku being a sociopath?????" Has such a high view count says a lot about the community, and it's nothing good. Strive for better media, people!!!
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X Жыл бұрын
Nah, sounds like that take effort.
@soloknight7197
@soloknight7197 Жыл бұрын
17:01 Gohan was 10 for the Cell Games. The Buu Saga canonically happens a week before his 17th Birthday
@TheOfficialPYTC
@TheOfficialPYTC Жыл бұрын
Thank you shedding light on anti social personality disorder people miss use the word all the time
@crilleedara
@crilleedara Жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone finally made a vid on Goku's morality! I think it's pretty cool to witness his character development from lonely kid to kind-hearted savior! I find him to be similar to Batman in the sense that he's really reluctant towards delivering that final blow. Sure he's made some selfish and not logical choices along the way, but I certainly consider him very heroic and selfless - just look at how he decides to remain dead cuz it Might keep ppl safe or how he's in distress when Cell, Vegeta and Buu commits genocide. Haha no wonder the Devil-Beam didn't affect him xP In Super he's just a selfish retard.. It's actually quite sad
@tristangray8046
@tristangray8046 Жыл бұрын
as an anime viewer only, i like to think of goku giving cell the senzu bean as a NECESSARY act. could be entirely wrong, but it could be argued that with cell being as worn out as he was, he wouldnt have been able to dominate gohan as easily, so he might nit have had enough energy to actually push gohan to unleash his hidden power, just wnough in the tank to squeeze out the win
@Triax1211
@Triax1211 Жыл бұрын
Bro the yardrat fit is so fucking clean
@zelz3011
@zelz3011 Жыл бұрын
The Senzu Bean. ~ Characters intelligence being underestimated as usual. Ah yes Team 4 Star in a way somehow doing something but not the biggest effect completely or shouldn't be. ~~ Decisions... Kaio-KenX4... Unknown factor... Yay. Damn the way you explain this makes me think I'm a Sociopath. That anime Planet. ~~~ Red Ribbon Gero... The Army... That's kinda hmm... I think the moments fine but I guess I do understand how it could have been written differently especially with all of Cells ability the powerscale didn't have to change even if Cell was more tired out. I miss your Gohan Video... I deadass don't know why Goku didn't teleport King Kai away even if Goku wanted to die he should have like yeeted King Kai or teleported him down and just teleported back. Full SSJ2. Since he had a 3. But the time frame but hmm... Nice Z.
@Chrisezo
@Chrisezo Жыл бұрын
Ever since Dragon Ball first started, Goku was shown to not be right in the head, it is unknown if that is due to his head injury as a baby, but even though his body grew up I feel that he never fully matured on the inside. People have been overexaggerating his intelligence for years, the issue even became much worse after TFS took their hand into portraying him as a character, and I think that even some higher ups at Toei took notice of TFS, because I swear that Super has just been making Goku dumber for comedic purposes, and it didn't use to be like that, because just take a look at what GT was where sure he had a few funny childish moments, but he was usually taking threats seriously, and he counted on his family and friends to help him out, and he even tried training Uub up so that he could become the next protector, even though it was unfortunate that it didn't go anywhere..
@KuaiZero99
@KuaiZero99 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video!! However Goku clearly isnt a sociopath. For 1 he isnt human and that alone could explain alot of his choices, like his incredibly selfish thirst for battle (i know u mention this but its still relevant for his defence). And 2 the biggest indicator of someone with this type of personality disorder is they struggle to form emotional connections, Goku clearly has a strong connection with alot of people and shows alot of empathy, not to mention his pure heartedness. Good video tho i enjoyed watching
@nipahnoob
@nipahnoob Жыл бұрын
The dr Gero stuff reminds me of Batman and Joker.
@russellhattal3328
@russellhattal3328 Жыл бұрын
I wasn’t expecting a Game of Thrones spoiler…
@p.fish_63
@p.fish_63 Жыл бұрын
I always figured he wasnt a sociopath but sayian phycology just works diffrent
@jvo6ixgod269
@jvo6ixgod269 Жыл бұрын
i don’t know why this is so hard to understand it’s the reason gohan acts so different when he’s powered up he’s tapping into his sayian side
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