Trading KAT or Gobert? | Timberwolves Elimination Rebuild

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[@RANDOMPLANET]

Matt, for future purposes.. in 2k when you extend a player it REPLACES their options.. so the easiest way to deal with Gobert is to offer him and extension in the 25+ million dollar range, and it replaces his 41 million dollar option. Just an FYI. Might help you in future rebuilds when trying to get more value out of aging players with options. You could have replaced Gobert's contract opt in at 46m with that 23m a year extension.

[@paultizzard2864]

that's basically cheating tho. like he's not declining it to sign for less

[@BOnYTB]

⁠People do decline bigger POs to take less that year, sometimes quite a bit…but in return they get more years and overall more $. Obviously he’s not gonna decline 46.65M to take like 3y/75M. Thats basically the MLE over the next 2 years and he can make more than that easily. So 2K does mess it up, as they do with most things. Usually happens w older players who are expected to regress, just players who’ve regressed in general, basically if you have no market at that AAV. Middleton took a decent discount, Jrue took one albeit less of one than I expected, KP took one, it happens quite a bit. Gonna warn anyone now that this is nerdy cap stuff beyond this point that you prolly don’t wanna read. But I literally have so much of this stuff already in notepads on my phone from helping ppl write articles that it only takes me a few mins to put here. I’m bored, got an early flight tomorrow and waiting on last load of laundry lol so here you go. The next reply after this will dive even deeper and I expect exactly zero ppl to read that 😂 so like I said you’ve been warned. Gobert has a 46.655M PO for 25-26, his age 33 season. He’s obviously not getting close to 46/yr anywhere going forward post PO. So he might decline that 46.655M, and take let’s say 32.5M in 25-26? That’d save MIN 14.155+ million that year which is pretty big. Then 8% raises off that would be 35.1M in 26-27, 37.7M in 27-28. Total of 3/105.3M. Rudy takes a big discount in 25-26 (first year the cap jumps 10%) but guarantees himself another almost 60M for his age 34/35 seasons. 30M/y is pretty solid for those years given his age, and it can help both parties. The cap will go up 10% in 25-26/26-27/27-28 for sure (every year of this hypothetical deal) so it’s way easier to stomach for MIN, and if Rudy regresses they’re only paying him like 21% of the cap in 25-26, like 20.6% in 26-27, and around 20.1-20.15% in 27-28. His PO is a tad over 30% of the cap (projected, assumes a small jump of about 3.66% to 141M for 24-25, then 10% jumps after…24-25 cap could be a little higher than that, but I doubt much higher unless they artificially inflate it or something weird happens) and they’re gonna be an expensive team.

[@BOnYTB]

Again I warned in the last post this one would be ridiculous and nerdy so prolly don’t read it unless you’re just super interested in how the luxury tax works, revenue sharing, incentives, stuff like that. Here we go: 24-25 will still be rough for MIN $ wise, especially w/ Ant making All-NBA, but by not making the Finals they actually dodged any chance of being in the tax. They were about 980K under, and if they made it, it would’ve triggered one of Conley’s unlikely incentives which was 750K for making the Finals. So they still would’ve been slightly under. Then another 750K if they won it all, which would’ve put them in the tax by under 250K. If you are in the tax, you don’t get that revenue sharing check from all the tax teams. Obviously MIN wanted to make the Finals and win it all. If they did the extra ticket/arena revenue from one more WCF home game, then at least 2 home Finals games, (possibly 3) not to mention WCF champion/NBA champion merch. That all prolly makes up for the loss in tax $ by a decent amount or at least close enough. But instead they get the tax $, plus their share of the playoff gate revenue, etc. There is some kind of pool that playoff teams split made up of ticket revenue and some broadcast revenue, so it’s not like MIN gets 100% of every home playoff game, but they also do get a % of road playoff games. They keep 100% of other PROFIT from things sold in the arena assuming they own that license which most do, like food/drinks and stuff. You still get rewarded for the further you go in the playoffs, like the pool from the CF is only 4 teams, then Finals only 2 teams. Anyway these posts are already crazy long enough so I’ll just toss out the tax numbers. There were 8 tax teams that paid a total of roughly 525M. 262.5M goes to the NBA (a lot of that goes toward revenue sharing and stuff anyway so it’s whatever) then 262.5M gets divided among the 22 non tax teams. So MIN gets a solid almost 12 million dollar check in June that they would not have gotten if they won the chip bc they would’ve been in the tax. It’s crazy how such a small accounting thing can affect a massive amount of money. Obv you want to win it all regardless, but it can be costly. You’re talking 235-250K that would’ve cost them 12 million or so. They prolly could’ve avoided it in one of their trades by taking on a tiny bit less $ and/or how they managed their roster spots. They signed TJ Warren for a 10 day that was 116,075 and Justin Jackson for a 10d that cost the same. That 232K could’ve been the difference between getting that 12 million or not had they won. They signed TJ for 220.5K, then Garza for 128K or so. They didn’t need to fill out that 15th roster spot, and TJ didn’t rly play. So they could’ve maybe not signed Garza and promoted a two way player up for the minimum and saved it that way. So they had a few chances to guarantee not being in the tax, but I get it…like if you win it all who cares? MIL actually had this happen tho and I bet they wish they cared a little more lol. Jrue had an unlikely incentive for winning it all that pushed them barely in to the tax. That cost them a good amount of $, between 10 and 20M. But on top of that it started the clock for the repeater tax a year early. If you’re in the tax x years out of y, your luxury tax penalties get way more punitive. MIL has been a luxury tax team for a long time now, so not only did it cost them prolly 15M that year, but it also likely cost them something like 30-50M down the road. MIN doesn’t appear to be a team that’ll be below the tax anytime soon after this year, so had they won it all that 230K could’ve cost them like 50+ million in a few years on top of the 10-13M it would’ve cost this year. Just crazy to think about, 230K can cost a team mid 9 figures! My laundry is done. Gotta pack my last stuff and got a flight tomorrow. ✌️

[@n1cpeh]

no it doesn't, it auto accepts the option, and the extension starts the year after the option year.

[@RANDOMPLANET]

@@n1cpeh Oh, thats why Clique has been able to do it in everyone of his videos? Extensions replace option years, BUT you have to sign them BEFORE the option year begins.

[@doestroman3418]

Staying complacent in the last season was a mistake lol the ending was hilarious love your videos

[@lush5766]

broo stop signing so many players of the same position, ATLEAST if you do, just change their positions so the minute allocation doesn’t screw you up

[@igiveup12]

10 years of recording these rebuilds and he still doesnt know how to do that LOL

[@carterprodz.6415]

The ending 😂

[@Micheu-qj6ol]

im not a big fan of KAT but i think trading gobert might be the best move for the franchise, cause sometimes he lacks that defensive consistency timberwolves need to close important games

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

LOL it's just hilarious to me how so many people just can't see what Gobert does defensively.

[@finncervino7994]

Yea for sure dude the 4x DPOY isn't consistent enough lmfao

[@Smido83]

Its not, trading KAT makes way more sense. They need a reliable 2nd option and depth. Gobert wasnt the problem at all. And thats coming from a Mavs fan. The MIN defense was way better with him out there, even against the Mavs. Without him the MIN defense would go back to being average. KAT is just a soft without a winning mindset, he isnt a winner. Butler knew it years ago, but somehow people just do not want to see it. The Wolves have to hope that there is a team out there that doesnt understand that either. They need a reliable 20 PPG scorer and someone who can help Ant running the offense. Doesnt have to be in one person.

[@BOnYTB]

KAT will have a niche market, but the teams who do want him should give up a decent amount. Also, his contract runs from 24-25 through 27-28 where he has a 61.194M player option. That’s tough. Gobert on the other hand, yea he’s older, and he has a 43.8M salary for 24-25, and a 46.655M PO in 25-26 for his age 33 season. The thing about that is, Gobert is likely to be willing to take a pay cut on that player option year to secure more years and more total $. Maybe instead of 46.655M in 25-26, he takes like 32.6M. That’d save MIN 14M+ which is quite a bit. Like 32.6 in 25-26, 35.2 in 26-27, and 37.8M in 27-28. That’s 3/105.6M total. So he takes that 14M+ pay cut for 25-26, but he guarantees himself like 2/59-60M of new money. With the cap going up 10% in 25-26/26-27/27-28, instead of paying Rudy like 30% of the cap, they’d be paying him closer to 20% of the cap. So yea he’ll be old, but he’ll still prolly be worth 20% in those years…and by moving KAT you are going to get a bigger return and can likely have more depth. It’s gonna be a tough decision regardless, but keeping all of these guys seems impossible unless it’s like all minimum guys and maybe a cpl young guys basically around Ant, Rudy, KAT, Conley, and Jaden. We’ll see tho. Idk what offers they’d get for KAT and from who.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

@Smido83 KAT was the problem in the Mavs series, for sure. He shots something like 15-54 in the first three games combined. That's the series right there. But here's the thing. He's been a very good player outside of that series. That was an anomaly for him. Albeit, an anomaly at the worst possible time. But still, despite all that I think I agree with the trade KAT idea. I mean, what other choice is there.

[@r0.m1]

Now I get that I might be biased considering the fact that I'm French... but the Gobert was talked trash about, proves the entire league wrong this year and wins a 4th DPOY (yeah sorry guys) with this front court finally working out, something that never was the case for KAT previously, an elite defensive team (Hi Thibs), and you don't want to run the team back as they should??? (Just like the knicks) get outta here !

[@Tbaby216]

I see why you traded Kat. Open it up for more scoring which Kat just too damn big tryna be a sg out there

[@2k999.]

How do you edit the secondary position from the roster screen? I only know how to do it by clicking edit player one by one

[@baylee702]

I think hitting Y on the Xbox controller a couple times til the option pops up

[@_jay_6132]

@@baylee702 do you know how I can go into myleague and have my playoff bracket be the same as it is irl? its something to do with myscenarios right?

[@1Nathoo]

@@_jay_6132MyNba start today

[@iwannatalktosampson5852]

As a wolves fan I'm moving Kat. Feel like could lock up Rudy on a more team friendly deal then paying Kat the supermax. Also you get more for him Rudy probably worth more to minnesota then he does other teams while Kat would have alot of potential teams interested could get a forward plus maybe even recoup some of the picks we moved in past moves

[@jakes1443]

The wolves ruined their future getting Gobert (simply speaking in terms of available trade assets and luxury tax restrictions, Ant will keep them as contenders for years on end) but it almost paid off this year. I think they need to trade KAT simply to recoup the assets/help with a bit of cap flexibility, and then trade Gobert has a valuable expiring contract down the line. They need someone similar to Bam Adebayo at the 5, someone who can be a two way player for them. I'd love to see a guy like Keldon Johnson on this team and move Mcdaniels to the 4.

[@backwoodbob]

Kat although such a sometimes player, him for Quickly seems like such a fleece

[@maxrosales7202]

we should def be more worried abt the timberwolves in the future playoffs , bright future with ant leading it

[@jonathanwoods2837]

@sixringsofsteel you should do a sixers rebuild on what if they took Jalen brown and Jason Tatum instead of Ben Simmons and markell fultz. That would be a dope rebuild

[@mr.kwamid-86_43]

9:37 steph still going through da ladies, i see ;)

[@danielsharp3683]

I wouldn't trade both of them ...that would be dumb. But you need a big time scoring PG, so trade one of them and get your scorer to play with Ant

[@404_juju]

Love your channel bro, ur like the 2k version of bengal with madden.

[@BenjaminButton6573]

I think they should trade both but Kat first l. Naz Reid should be there center he’s elite

[@kevinmitchell8406]

Good team but that ending have me on my seat 🔥😂💯

[@ethanyost7371]

How do you get such realistic contracts and not everyone wanting 30+ mil

[@Clickgoesthebrick2558]

why no lottery sim?

[@Caylemfarquhar1]

20:50 beautiful

[@chad3084]

Matt can we see a rebuild where you just cheese this game and try to make the best team ever

[@dripppyda9415]

The Wendell Moore disrespect is crazy😂

[@harry5549]

Minnesota Timberwolves fan here since like 2005 and Moore Jr is probably one of the worst rookies I’ve laid my eyes on. Literally doesn’t deserve to even be in the G League - him and Minnott deserve to be cut from the roster next season

[@dripppyda9415]

@@harry5549 u tripping he just in a bad spot if he was on a developing team he would get good minutes he just on a win now team I watched bro in hs cause he used to go to my hs he was a dog

[@diablo_exp9296]

Honestly id trade to detriot for there pick and jalen duren lol or utah for kessler , Sexton maybe bryce sensabaugh and picks

[@nathanmckay2998]

An absolute dagger at the end!

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

They scripted it perfectly with both teams playing their roles well. My only problem with it was McDaniels was kind of a bad actor when he randomly threw himself out of bounds for no reason to turn it over repeatedly to set up the Luka 3 pointer. And they're really pushing it with the scripted switch of Gobert onto Luka for the final shot. I mean, a lot of people are going to think no professional basketball team would allow that switch to happen.

[@omeroren619]

What's the camera settings??

[@ohde7621]

Can't wait for the Boston rebuild ☘️😊

[@modawg9794]

What if KAT and picks got traded to the Nets for Mikal and Cam Johnson?

[@11Pharcyde]

Lol you can extend rookies in player progression btw

[@stevenm2722]

I think he found out what its like to be a Minnesota sports fan.

[@andysauro1500]

I'm curious if Kat could be traded to Washington for Deni Avdija, contracts to fit, and the #2. Reed Sheppard would be perfect in Minnesota

[@gorillafan1111]

cooper flagg to the celtics is nasty work

[@averagejoe413]

Trade Gobert, couldn't defend against a rookie center...

[@cjrilla99]

Bones Hyland would be 🔥🔥🔥

[@natetran]

Tim Connelly has an out clause in his contract…

[@Shaneo0oo]

Neither.... we lose to the best player in the league in the conference finals... a couple of those games were winnable too. We simply didn't shot the ball well.

[@cadefish6149]

Gobert has got to go 😂 coming from a native Minnesotan, need better play from towns, Reid and McDaniels have to take the next step to stars, Alexander Walker needs to work on consistency and the rest of the team can take a hike 😂 except for Luka Garza and Leonard Miller, defensive rebounding with two 7 footers was pathetic

[@ajainza7706]

How did you load it to the playoffs?

[@ejayboogie]

start today

[@gussyvince0851]

Matt selling games once again😂😂😂

[@tannerlevesque6326]

day 74 of saying thank you matt for the amazing videos

[@benboone97]

"me-know" haha bro its "my-not"

[@JMMandap]

Bro dont jump in the game when ur in simcast the result is just getting worse.

[@whirlysquirrely3368]

That's what you get for trading KAT instead of GOBERT

[@Shiny_Solos]

Day 4 of asking for a Brooklyn nets rebuild

[@K1NG3DITS1]

First and I think they will trade Kat instead of gobert

[@Theprodigy1102]

keep KAT & get Brandon Ingram

[@GuilhermeLaender]

Run it back.

[@Clickgoesthebrick2558]

at this point after that last game i would trade gobert

[@derrickknox4719]

Nobody wants him. His contract doesn't help either.

[@yahirgonzalez9509]

Gobert overrall 87💀💀

[@Wisdomquot3s]

Rudy

[@christianpatxot7387]

Day 4 of requesting siblings rebuild

[@TheKenHundreds]

LOL at you thinking you can win a chip with Gobert

[@Taqzn]

Would anyone be down for my league online?

[@IanHeymans]

Keep KAT, trade Gobert.

[@crawfisheater]

💚💙🤍

[@Omni7Evan]

W

[@limbogaming8591]

Yo

[@jamelwilliams808]

My idea is...trade Gobert to Spurs for PG Tre Jones..or..Trade Kat to Nets for DFinnySmith&Clowney&Dwhitehead

[@jamelwilliams808]

OR...trade Kat to Jazz for Kessler and Sexton