Skyrim Just Got a 12GB New Update & Paid Mods

[@JuiceHead3]

If you don't want to deal with any of this you can get Skyrim on GOG with my affiliate link, the GOG version doesn't have the store at all as of right now and you can easily downgrade to old versions: Skyrim SE: af.gog.com/en/game/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim_special_edition?as=1716164547 Skyrim AE: af.gog.com/en/game/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim_anniversary_edition?as=1716164547

[@darthmadara7984]

I was optimistic but after my 1st purchase on Xbox, i realized that it affects my load order and mod slimit space. So rather than buying everything as I intended, i only got the thalmor armor. If mod space is an issue we , on consoles, are still locked out of the good stuff and will have to restrain ourselves from buying too many of them. I got 70 plus creation club content because i don't have to worry about mod limit and load order, even the ones i did not quite like. With this implementation of paid content. I can only buy one here and there

[@matheusmelisguerrapeixe2330]

when fallout's turn ????

[@arcadeportal32]

I am still running the pre rare curios update for the most part

[@JTL1776]

this is what we all wanted when we heard about the creation club. Paid and Free mods. mod authors having a genuine income. actual modding studios making an income and continuing support for free ones.

[@arcadeportal32]

@@JTL1776 Me, honestly I was worried. But at least I dont have to update. I saddly think give 4 months and will be flooded with 500 low effort paid mods like Minecraft BR. Also free mods going paid only

[@perrywood3839]

Disney is crumbling partially because they’ve moved their focus from movies to toys and parks, forgetting that it was the movies themselves that drove children to wanting to buy the toys. Now we have Bethesda trying to switch mods to paid mods, forgetting that mods being free is perhaps the greatest contributing factor to Skyrim’s absurd life cycle. If everything on nexusmods cost money, even a few dollars, it would have fizzled into obscurity within a couple years

[@Choom89]

They aren't just "moving to toys and theme parks" they are raising awareness and PRICES to regain lost funds. It's the same thing sony is doing--"sales are down? Meh just raise the price of ps+".

[@faultier1158]

The rules are so strict that most mods probably aren't viable for it in the first place. I think it will be easy to ignore for players on PC.

[@ScudForEver]

Time to pirate mods I guess.

[@Arcanua]

Nexus wouldn't have died, why? They're more community oriented and would've let the creators set their price. Skyrim alone also isn't where you best see that. Yes it's 12 now, but Morrowind and Oblivion are alive now for the same reason, especially Oblivion and frankly Skyrim would still be relevant without mods due to still being the newest ES game. Folks who are new to the series will almost always start with Skyrim because it's "new" Bethesda is and has been grasping at straws made clear with various changes to this new creation system, let alone the fact people are tired of waiting for another game. Starfield further reinforces it with the disguised early access, they're not doing QA, they don't want to do QA and are now instead of paying people to do their job making unassuming consumers do it for free in a game that's still big despite the lack of...everything for a big game.

[@ArchangelAries]

@@Arcanua The point is, modding would not be as big and widespread as it is today if everything was paywalled. The major appeal, with the exception of creation club and patreon dicks, is that it was for the majority free to add tons of content to or remaster our beloved games.

[@SubiKinubi]

Bethesda: before I let you in you will have to pay the visitors tax Gamers: this is obviously a shakedown

[@Natureboy562]

This comment should've won the internet.

[@arijeanz]

don't be obtuse. it's not bethesda making the mods is it? instead, bethesda is continuously profiting off of the work of dedicated players and creators, using it to resell their aging, buggy mess of a game. that's what makes it different.

[@SubiKinubi]

@@arijeanz I don’t understand your comment

[@aw_shucks17]

Call it what you want. You dont pay, youre not getting in.

[@SubiKinubi]

@@aw_shucks17 lol happy not paying 👍

[@sayfmm]

Paid mods? But why? The thing that made mods so popular is that they are free to download not "paid" 😐

[@disarray8244]

Why you ask.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@beeeazy9818]

The new Tesla truck is right around the corner...duh

[@thecornfieldiii2069]

​@@Kamawan0because that's how it's been for a decade and a half????

[@thecornfieldiii2069]

​​@stephen2995making mods isn't "work", it's a passion project because they love the game, not because they want to make money.

[@wolfgod6443]

The reason why is to allow creators to turn their passion into something practical. Getting into game development is difficult, and this is a way to receive professional support and be officially recognized and your content is hosted by a big game company. In many ways it's a win-win. That said, you already know all the downsides so I won't explain them.

[@Loquacious_Jackson]

They really decided to take their frustrations from starfield reviews and take it out on their customers 😂

[@tomisabum]

Wonder if they'll start doing cringe dev responses on Skyrim/Anniversary Edition Upgrade Steam reviews next due to this.

[@Mr_Oggie]

This has probably been in the works for over a year.

[@leigel3]

​@@Mr_OggieStarfield is the perfect environment for this. I'm sure this concept precedes Starfield reviews. It's hard for mods to conflict when a planet contains hundreds of cells.

[@rickycool6083]

I don't really believe them creating just a storefront where modders do all the work, needs a year to implement, it was mostly right after starfield's launch and they know now that starfield won't have the same impact as skyrim did. @@Mr_Oggie

[@CharlieTooHuman]

Also the release of Skyrim Nolvus probably had them sweating… “Hey you guys can’t remaster our old game and take attention away from our new game. Give us more money!”

[@JJerem]

“Can’t wait to count out your coin” - Todd Howard

[@beeeazy9818]

"Daddy needs the new Tesla truck" - probably Todd

[@disarray8244]

He was warning us all those years ago. lol

[@tokujinsicura2190]

"Khajit has mods, if you have the coin" - Todd in a khajit outfit

[@classicleslie6914]

I will happily donate to keep the free modding spirit going. With paid mods comes all kinds of limitations and bugs. They get no money from me

[@yol_n]

One would think the controlled Bethesda system would lead to fewer bugs.

[@matthimfsmfs7194]

​@@yol_nYou totally would, yet that has proven not to be the case in the past, unfortunately

[@yol_n]

@@matthimfsmfs7194 this is the second iteration of the system. Also, they worked with the SSE team to get it working day one with Skyrim so this time it actually worked better for *their* method. Plus, the standard way of modding just sucks. Everything conflics with everything. It's NOT the best way either.

[@wingedhussar1453]

This is just microtransactions store

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@wingedhussar1453 it is but it's also very different from other microtransaction storefronts because this isn't just a bethesda store, it's modders, now i heard in the video they will allow modders to set the price to what the modders want to, which will both make the modder money and bethesda in the process, pricing things way to high will be abused to the point where no quality mods are being made all being sold at 5 to 8 dollars each. i mean the only way i would pay that much for a mod is if the mod is big, like it involves a large quest with amazing gameplay traits, but otherwise most mods in my opinion will need to be well under a dollar, like simple texture mods that texture faces very well, like high poly faces or something, if that's being sold at 5 to 10 bucks, no doubt some people will purchase that mod, but the vast majority will avoid that modder like the plague. hopefully bethesda allows us to rate mods and has a good rating system people can give feedback on the products, so there needs to be some quality control.

[@krika1119]

Kind of also feels like Bethesda is using Skyrim as a testing ground for this brand new form of Creation Club. Could be that we might get a similar kind of update for Fallout 4

[@lorenzomeeuws6943]

exactly what i was thinking

[@disarray8244]

You can bet on it. I bet this is why that FO4 update is taking so long.

[@RichardBejtlich]

Starfield will get this too.

[@lachlantaylor-dowsey1252]

No one cares for Fo4

[@Jackalad620]

I do Fallout 4 is still fun Lachlan just because you dont like it anymore doesn't mean its dead @@lachlantaylor-dowsey1252

[@thatonemayor]

There is no fucking way I am paying money for a follower with 1200 lines of dialogue, when I can download Inigo or Lucien for free on Nexus, with double the amount of dialogue. Also, if bethesda wanted to "support the modders," they would have you buy the mod from the mod author directly and not have you purchase creation club credits.

[@thatonemayor]

@@Kamawan0 You missed the point of my comment. Putting it behind a pay wall and having it as a form of donations, are two completely different things. If I wanna endorse the mod author of Inigo, I'm going to go do that. I should not have to try out a literal mod by paying beforehand.

[@cosmickeyboard9811]

People choosing to support mods and having to pay for them is different lots of mod users definitely don't give moders any money. This system is way better it means modders can turn a passion into a mini career. Eveyone has to eat and sleep and modders have families and jobs but now they have a better reason to prioritize moding since now it actually pays them money

[@tiaisirradiated]

Bethesda is the entity that owes mod developers, not the consumer.

[@HelenaCross]

Plus you can train Lucien, no?You can’t do that with followers like Lydia.

[@thatonemayor]

@@cosmickeyboard9811 This is bullshit. "Pays them money." They get 30% of 5 literal dollars. Sure that's going to add up, but the point is that mods aren't meant to be a job. You aren't making a game, you're making a modification for a game. Unless you're releasing something like Skyblivion, Skywind, or Beyond Skyrim Bruma, your mod isn't worth money. Literal Skyrim DLCs were 15 dollars, and now I have to pay that same amount for quest expansions and new weapons? Yeah, I don't think so.

[@robr135]

I feel like pro-paid mod crusaders are all people who have grown up in the last ten years playing games and are used to the games being full of micro-transactions so have been so thoroughly programmed to champion this type of thing. Then you have the other people who grew up in a world with free DLC, and free mods, for years and so rightly have reservations against this sort of thing.

[@bdleo300]

Yep, kids born in slavery don't even know what freedom means...

[@Flourikum]

God forbid people get paid for hard work.

[@dolorousjohn5499]

​@@Flourikumthen get a job in the industry and don't make mods. Mods are free, whether I get them from the creator, or i download them from a mod piracy site. I, and many others, simply won't comply.

[@Flourikum]

@dolorousjohn5499 it's the same as buying dlc. I do agree it's shitty because the corporation takes money from your work but at the same time you can do it as a hobby without some corporate dbag breathing down your neck. Lastly the free stuff still exists.

[@92HazelMocha]

​@@FlourikumDo you have any idea how much devs at Bethesda make? CC modders will never make a fraction of that. This is just a way for Bethesda to take money from players and resell the labor of modders at the largest possible margin.

[@nimarus3118]

I turned a blind eye to Creation Club when I got the Anniversary Edition. We've waited 11 years for The Elder Scrolls 6 and they can't stop tinkering with Skyrim. I never get my mods through Bethesda and I have no plans on spending another penny on any Creation Club or paid mods. I'm done.

[@juannito6318]

I just got the Ae edition and im confused cause I can download so much basically everything I see and there's no paying so confused when seeing comments like this am I missing something?

[@georgemurdock7670]

I see the future… ESVI unofficial patch: 39,99$ ESVI performance patch: 23,99$ ESVI Stutter Remover: 9,99$ ESVI Anti-crash-engine: 15,99$ ESVI Script extender: 7,99$ for the monthly user loicens subscription. (If anybody finds a "torrent" side for the paid mods, let us know pls)

[@fidelgames]

Just imagine trying to get a paid modlist your wallet will be crying

[@georgemurdock7670]

@@fidelgames like the anno dlc packs or the dlcs packs for crusader kings 2, but instead of game content its 650$ of cbbe outfits and breast physics.

[@bdleo300]

ESVI Horse armor: 19.99$

[@springheeljak145]

At this rate we'll never even get TESVI

[@whocares397]

do not forget the monthly fee to skse ^_-

[@disarray8244]

Dear Bethesda, How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

​@@Kamawan0they'll just tax the people who already bought it then lol

[@e21big]

The problem with this is if every mods, big and small went all paid mods route. I don't mind bigger, expansion size mods going premium but I have like 200 mods and that was a relatively small load order. If all of those tweaks and compatibility patch cost a buck, that would be 200 bucks per mod list. Imagine if you have 2000. It would kill the modding scene completedly if there's no limit to how big and how professional mods can be to be compatible for payment (or have some sort of bundle or subscription model)

[@92HazelMocha]

Exactly. Revamped holds mod but every hold is a separate 5 dollar transaction. Or one of the magic overhauls and they charge .50 per spell. No one is going to drop hundreds of dollars on a game they beat over ten years ago, this will just kill the modding scene.

[@snowtfl5617]

It’s only verified creators still pleanty of free mods what I don’t get is why people who put ins such extensive work into mods should not reap the benifit if they want to

[@Eoin-B]

Nexus mods used the spotify model. Their were already profession modders on nexus, they get paid per download and endorsement. I never minded spending €6 per months spreading some of that cash to the authors I downloaded from. And thousands of downloads add up. If this turns into microtransactions, it's like we are back to 2010 on iTunes spending €1 per song or €10 per album. We will be pirating mods, like everyone's doing with puredarks paywalled dlss mod.

[@yol_n]

​@@Kamawan0 I bet at least half of those mods are a few textures plus 2mb of code, no way $5 for every single mod. On the other hand, it's certainly better than buying skins. I think $35 for mod PACKS would be the best.

[@transonicgnat5872]

I don't want these "bethesda" sponsored mods making a forced update and breaking every single mod load order.

[@kowalskiy3441]

I keep laughing at the idea of Bethesda trying to charge us extra for the unoficcial patches. Play the game: 70-80$ Play the game without glitches or bugs: Whoa buddy, you gotta pay the "fixing fee".

[@wolfgod6443]

That would imply you've been playing for 10+ years.

[@casedecker]

​@@wolfgod6443hey remember I sold you that tennis racket years ago? Seems you got a LOT of use out of it, should be no problem for you to give me some more money.

[@No1JediJesus]

I can't see them fixing the bugs mate

[@OG_GRAMMA_SAUSE09]

For real, half my fo4 load order is fixing bugs that should already be fixed by Bethesda but now i have to pay for bug fixes which is bs

[@mfvicli]

Compatibility will DEFINITELY be a nightmare. Before I add a mod to my game, I run it through my entire load order to ensure there are no major conflicts. If I need to purchase a mod first, that system is much, much harder. It doesn't look sustainable in the long run.

[@GoldenLeafsMovies]

Especially on console where mod management IS a nightmare. If you need to delete a mod, you need to delete ALL mods or else there will be some lingering files from that mod taking space from your total mod space.

[@lif6737]

Just don't mod the game with 600 different mods

[@mickw0235]

​@@lif6737easier said than done.

[@mfvicli]

@@lif6737 Not that simple. You could have only twenty mods, and there could be game-breaking incompatibilities. That's not even getting into outdated patches, unnecessary edits, and what not.

[@arkeshn729]

​@@Kamawan0everyone isn't a "veteran" mod user. Some people are just downloading paid content not knowing they're could be compatibly issues.

[@Hardcrafter2807]

Honestly, I can't help but compare Katja to mods like Inigo, Auri, M'rissi, Daegon, and all the other free custom-voiced followers available on the Nexus. For instance, does Katja have unique interactions that only occur when you're both seated at an inn somewhere? With Inigo if you're both relaxing at an inn you can ask him things that you can't ask while out adventuring, you can gift him a horse and he has unique interactions while riding, and so on so forth. If Katja doesn't at the very least have features akin to Inigo and other free custom voiced followers, then I don't see the point in paying for her when I can get a higher quality follower for free.

[@vert2552]

people keep talking about Katja mod, but sorry to say its terrible. VA herself sounds good, but the character and all just not fit at all. I'd argue this might be the worst voiced follower i saw in Skyrim

[@arandomstormcloak8839]

I use Sofia or auri, and also that voice actress overhaul for Serana. Good times

[@NOLAgenX]

Inigo is very self aware and observant as well. He knows if you are running backwards, asks why you are carrying silverware or plates, and comments on virtually anything you do. His AI was ahead of its time. For me he is the gold standard for followers and I judge Fallout followers by that. Heather is the only one that comes close.

[@Hardcrafter2807]

@@NOLAgenX Just goes to show just how much love and attention Smartbluecat put into Inigo.

[@NOLAgenX]

@@Hardcrafter2807 Absolutely!

[@MjollTheLioness-o4y]

I've donated to modders via patreon in the past. I'll continue to do that. I'm not buying mods. I do wonder if they will be giving the players refunds if the mod bought turns out to be trash though.

[@blazingsandwich1234]

X to doubt.

[@jessiehogue.]

@@blazingsandwich1234 X

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

Bethesda, still finding a way to milk their cash-cow, the 12 year old SKYRIM.

[@Alacod19]

I hope this fails like the first time they tried. Bethesda been trying to get their hands on mod money for years now.

[@GoldenLeafsMovies]

I wouldn't be surprised if that's their end goal but isn't this to support the modders? They are the ones getting paid are they not?

[@club213542]

they gave us the same bs last time and that's all it is this all about grabbing the money for the bean counters. @@GoldenLeafsMovies

[@GoldenLeafsMovies]

@@thatonemayor Yeah, I guess that's suspicious that they need to you to buy it through their own economy. Thought it makes it easier in consoles instead of relying on third party stuff and possibly opening up security problems for the console.

[@77wolfblade]

first time? they did this about 3 times already.

[@blazingsandwich1234]

@@GoldenLeafsMovies If a corporation tells you something, they mean to opposite. Many people who mod are okay with modders getting some on the side. Maybe some aren't such is life, but I and many others don't care. What we DO care about is the Bethesda is trying to siphon more money out of a player base that kept their game relevant over ten years later and taking the lion's share of a modder's hard work because why? Because it's got their stamp of approval? Because they setup a shitty platform to host the mods? Todd is a clown running a circus. I would be happy if the company actually did care, but they don't. They never have. Just my two cents.

[@aidansharp5244]

*”YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE BETHESDA, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTROY EA NOT REPLACE THEM!”*

[@stryletz]

Wow, I must be getting old. Listen up kid, I have a history lesson for you: Bethesda started this whole industry trend of nickel and dimming content. There’s a reason “Horse Armor” is a meme you may have heard of. Bethesda paved the way for EA, they just used to have the sense not to mess with the mod community that fixed, supported, and brought longevity to their games. Alas, in the end greed always wins out.

[@rickycool6083]

At this point they are worse than EA, atleast EA is straightforward with MT, also no one thinks Bethesda is a chosen one or anything.

[@olliesloane151]

At least bethesda doesn't insist on making you use their own separate launcher for your games I guess.

[@jbgaming3221]

Ea is slowly becoming a lesser evil more and more, which is so fucking awful to say because they’re still greedy and scummy, but not on the level for Bethesda or blizzard.

[@123hattan]

They were always like that lol. Don't act like they have not released broken games for 2 decades that only the fans fixed.

[@csqd7445]

Paid mods are not DLC, in that case Nexus would be a DLC marketplace

[@JuiceHead3]

Nexus is a free fan DLC marketplace

[@pacmonster066]

​@@TheKotor2309The level of entitlement is ridiculous. How dare people want to get paid for their labor. Everything should be handed to me for free. Bethesda isn't forcing all mods to be paid. Nor are you forced to pay for anything. Just continue to use free mods if you want them. Throwing a fit because people who don't work for Bethesda can now get a little money for their work is immature.

[@TheZoidexExperience]

My man gotta get them views 😂

[@pacmonster066]

*Any* mod is literally DLC. DLC stands for downloadable content. A mod is just unsanctioned DLC not made by the developers of the game. Whether it's paid or free doesn't change that distinction. The only slight change is Bethesda is sanctioning the DLC made from people outside of their company.

[@luciferverone]

@@pacmonster066 How dare people expect to be paid for something they didnt need to do in the first palce. Its a passion project, not something which is a requirement for the game. Dont expect people to pay especially for something like skyrime mods where people have 300 plus mods in their game, 5 bucks per mod? You better be joking.

[@ScytheNoire]

Bethesda is going to kill modding in their games by trying to control modding and make profits off others work. You can't tell me Bethesda isn't taking a big cut of the modding sales.

[@joa4613]

sure but its not like those authors work there by force, they published there by their own free will to get compensation which is something the vast majority of modders on nexus don't even get from donations

[@anthonym840]

The modders can willingly sign up to get their own profit from their own creations. Its not like they are forced to do it. And its also not like Beth aint payim them a cent.

[@maerunderemite]

I'd rather just stop playing Skyrim permanently. Maybe that's what Bethesda wants.

[@Tattletale-Delta]

The hate mongering is real.

[@Tattletale-Delta]

@@maerunderemite You already bought it so who cares what you do lol.

[@marvelightv]

This is why you should play on GoG no forced updates. And you can revert to the old version

[@jamalecar4790]

GoG version isn't compatible with a lot of mods on the Nexus though are they?

[@marvelightv]

@@jamalecar4790 once you have the proper script extender version and the address library most mods work fine. Can you name any big mods that don’t work?

[@ThePlayer920]

​@@jamalecar4790Can you name some of those mods? I've been using the GoG version of Skyrim for years without any issues. The same goes for the other Bethesda games on that site, like New Vegas and Oblivion

[@karpai5427]

GoG is king.

[@Ghost-cd7tx]

There is also an downgrade patcher for those who have SSE on Steam.

[@Drakeziel]

Farewell Skyrim. All is lost when it comes to faith and trust in Bethesda, from myself at least. May Talos guide you.

[@diddy4279]

So glad I saw this video pop up. Skyrim almost updated after Cyberpunk did. Its cool the modders are getting paid but I'll support modders without Bethesda's help.

[@carlosmeza2294]

How

[@reeceyb505]

@@carlosmeza2294 Easy they could use Nexus's donation point system or many modders have patreon or other ways to donate to them

[@snowtfl5617]

But you can still get free mods if modders want to sell their work why not

[@karpai5427]

​​​​@@carlosmeza2294by pirating😇 Though, I don't think there will be any mods that i like anyway.

[@Eoin-B]

Modders got commision on nexus mods based off of endorsements and downloads. Thats how there are full time modders and even mod collection curators on there. Thats where some of your 6€ per month goes. I prefer this spotify style model than this update, but it's still way better than bethesda making all the money from the creation club mods. Also it seems the free mods available in their new store probably wont pay the modders with free content there as there is no spotify style subscription that divides the cash based off of downloads.

[@Taiylim]

This is a horrendous change and paves a very dark pathway forward for future BGS games. Absolutely disgusting. Mod support should be thru other 3rd party means and not thru BSG where they get a cut and can bork a game like this.

[@robr135]

So many amazing free mods with amazing authors that will always keep the spirit of free modding alive. They are the Goats worthy of a donation. The day Bethesda became greedy and divided the community with its paid mod schemes was a sad day. Coming from Oblivion, into Skyrim, those early days were wonderful with a community spirit to keep things free. Sad the new brainwashed players never had a chance to experience a microtransaction free modding experience.

[@wolfenrichtophen6010]

It does mean Playstation players can enjoy some modder creativity with Creations due to... Playstation being the way they are.

[@bdleo300]

"The day Bethesda became greedy" - was long time ago (remember horse armor DLC). Eventually they grew bold enough to monetize mods, something in their plans for many years (it even failed the first time they tired it)

[@IDPhotoMan]

Is it greedy? sure. But these aren't made for PC players primarily.

[@N-Re-Kay]

Free mods are still available. Rather than having a mod section polluted with trash, this incentivizes quality content from verified modders. Donations don’t even cover the time these creators spend making these large scale downloads. Plus this actually rewards them for their work through royalties rather than a flat fee.

[@georgemurdock7670]

@@wolfenrichtophen6010​just use the money wasted on a playstation and its "mods" and get a pc. You can plug it in your tv and plug in a controller. A playstation is just a pc with more restrictions, the north korea of computers. The world of creativity you could feel if set free from the limitations of a console thats only designed to serve one porpoise.

[@neyth1942]

Bethesda milking Skyrim more than 10 years after release is mind blowing. Leave this game alone. Those updates breaks saves and load order. I mean they patched some randoms things but most of the game is still bugged without mods like Unofficial Patch. They don't care about players or improving the gaming experience. They just want our money again and again with this 12 years old game. Skyrim First attempt of paid mods on Steam (huge L for Bethesda) Skyrim Special Edition Creations club Skyrim Anniversary Edition NEW Creations club And don't let me start about this game being on everything that can run it even if it's making my eyes bleeding (I'm looking at you Switch) They clearly use Skyrim as a rat lab for Starfield market and this is a problem. Bethesda and Todd Howard needs to change because right now it's a mess EDIT : I understand this is better for modders who wants to earn money from their mods. I understand that. But Bethesda didn't make it better for us or for modders. They make it this way because it is the ONLY way modders will join this. Bethesda again just want to make more money with a 12 years old game and his community

[@torranlegrand3094]

I am so sick and tired of these a$$ hats updating and breaking my mod list every year omfg.

[@RobertLW]

Well, I’ve been a fan of TES since I was 5 years old back in the Morrowind days. I’m 25 now, and I WAS excited for TES 6 more than any other game. This news truly hurts as a loving Elder Scrolls fan, and I feel it’s truly time to let Bethesda Rest In Peace. It was a fun run while it last, RIP The Elder Scrolls.

[@dbrikashabukshan8673]

If they do this in TES 6, the fans will find a way to circumvent it. Probably some kind of launcher

[@XNR7phillips]

nothing will make me feel the way Skyrim did, now it's time to say our finall goodbyes after 20k+ hrs in the game since 2011🥲

[@galliumgames3962]

Skyrim came out while I was in 5th grade and no signs of TES VI any time soon and I’m graduating college 🤦🏻. Probably will need to be reincarnated in a better timeline to play TES VI at the rate and manner things are going in BGS.

[@joeypizza2761]

Formally protesting this two-tiered mod system, Bethesda obviously doesn't care about their players. Not a SINGLE horny mod on the list.

[@innerarts4091]

Sir, you made my day.

[@karpai5427]

😭You are right.

[@willshepherd4544]

Think about how many mods you use in skyrim... now imagine that each mod costs $2..... now you are in to the game for several hundred dollars. Alot of us cannot afford that and will now be putting down a game we love. So yeah, this does not look like a win.

[@dylanmahaffey8920]

Very true. I also change out mods constantly. Trying different things and seeing what mods work for me, and what mods don't. If I were paying for all those mods I'd be spending hundreds of dollars on mods that I don't even end up using.

[@john45hhh]

There are people even in this comment section willing to pay 300 dollars for mods, if this goes down this path skyrim was nice to met you but i have to put you down.

[@ZerebusPrime]

My primary problem with Creation Club (other than moral issues) was that the mods weren't things I could turn off after acquisition. Sometimes I just want to play the base game.

[@VegasOriginal]

Yes! Or turn off if you have compatibility issues etc.

[@ncrranger6327]

It straight up sucks.

[@thecrazysharkguy6999]

Bethesda can suck it I won't buy another one of their games until they give fallout 3 the remaster it deserves

[@datguyoverdurr2604]

To this day, you can still make a better looking and running game with more content with free mods than anything behind a paywall Bethesda has offered. 🤷‍♀

[@brandongribble]

You can guarantee this will be in the FO4 next gen patch. I bet that's what the hold-up has been.

[@JuiceHead3]

Its not from what I have heard, oddly enough

[@brandongribble]

@@JuiceHead3 that is shocking lol

[@ZDanielPhoenix]

Longstanding community voices have heard differently. Starfield not being the "Great Green Jewel" of Outer Space games likely pushed everything back.

[@bdleo300]

Not all of it, but part of it, no doubt: they need to sell CC... plus some graphical 'upgrades' (demanding better hardware ofc), fixing a few bugs (and add a few more), break 80% of mods.... the usual Bethesda ™

[@ashamahee]

dont forget that they actually delievered and impressive list of bug fixes and improvements to the game, the annoying and sad part is that it only took them 12 years to do so and because the paid mod store.

[@MinosML]

On the one hand you have CDPR adding several popular mods from nexus as official systems in a new free patch for all... On the other, you have Bethesda doing this. Clear af which is the better company.

[@ravenheartwraith]

screw paid mods, its better to support a modder through a patreon or something like that then some corporate Bethesda program.

[@tomfulton8740]

It seems Skyrim now has independent contractors working for them

[@Meebsy]

I can already see all those Patreon modders that hide their full mods behind a paywall.

[@charliehammond8396]

which they have every right too

[@ShiningLight]

​@@charliehammond8396sure, and people have every right to be disappointed. It's a 2 way street

[@SubiKinubi]

@@charliehammond8396the problem is mate, the more people that paywall, the bigger the cost for mod lists become, then will spell death for Skyrim modding in its entirety, so yeah if you want support the death of a wonderful community, just keep singing those praises

[@delayed_control]

​@@charliehammond8396 They don't. It breaks the TOS.

[@moisesgaribay4893]

​@@SubiKinubihe wants to kill Skyrim

[@fabricusthepotato5658]

Oh my fucking god it's the Minecraft store in Skyrim

[@faultier1158]

Is it though? This seems more exclusive.

[@510newguy]

My main problem with these paid mods is that you can't just buy the mods you want you have to buy credits and then use those credits to purchase the mods. Let me pick the mods I want, have them go to a cart and then let me pay for those moda that I want. I don't understand why that is so difficult.

[@macronomicus]

Credits is kinda cool though, since people may be able to trade them, authors buying others creations, but also there could be ways players could earn credits for various marketing campaigns or whatever they may think up in the future, a cool potential at least.

[@packwolf445]

Issue with that, since they have the same ui on all platforms, is that it'd require console players to go to the games store page to buy those items

[@macronomicus]

@@packwolf445 Yea, but console players are used to things being that way, they can manually install mods too from elsewhere, with limitations of course. For us PC players we're fine too of course.

[@mekal177]

Simple answer it justifies Bethesda cut Anyone that supports this is the exact toxicity that lead the industry to where it is now If you appreciate the mods donate to the modder directly do not give Bethesda a percentage

[@Lord_of_Dread]

All part of the plan bro, you spend more, and you get less, with a door open for further psychological manipulation later because "well I have these credits, I should probably use them... Oh no, not quite enough, guess I better spend more money to get use out of them...". Greedy Microtransaction scumbaggery, entirely by design.

[@blujay_1743]

Will the Anniversary Edition owners get these new creations for free, since the whole point of AE was to pay once for all creation club content? Or will these new paid creations be considered different from creation club and won't count as part of the AE?

[@wholesomeevil118]

Nope, AE is getting nothing. They also changed the name from creation club, which is probably how they weasled their way out of it.

[@maulressurected4405]

@@wholesomeevil118 Now the AE cc addons show up in your creations library can't do nothing to them so they just clutter your screen.

[@zipperdragongaming]

Did they pay you Juice???

[@Shiggy_]

Juice shill for anything they do

[@Runelee1]

Bethesda finally realized the civil war in-game was mid and decided to start a real one with the modding community. Real talk though, even assuming all this goes smoothly, I can't see this not spawning a group that starts pirating paid mods. Will likely add more fuel to the fire that this usually starts.

[@Loli-Knight]

Way ahead of you. Mod piracy already exists and thrives particularly well. It happened the first time Bethesda tried this sort of thing and then stuck around to pirate from all the morons locking mods behind patreon paywalls.

[@bdleo300]

CC is pirated long time ago.

[@thecornfieldiii2069]

People have totally forgotten that they tried this years ago with the steam workshop

[@jennalove6755]

Bethesda games are the easiest to pirate.

[@JamesJamison]

No one uses the menu for mods. Everyone uses Vortex or other managers.

[@ms.blackfire2927]

that's something I'm personally interested in??? do I not need vortex anymore? for Skyrim specifically anymore? because I would personally be happy with that, if! this system works better.

[@JazzDaBull]

I'm happy to see everyone noticing the money grab systems these developers are trying to create and standing together against them!!

[@Jinkuzu]

So now we need a downgrade patch to get out of this ''update''

[@Loli-Knight]

Pretty much. Though folks probably should have had automatic updates blocked after the first time Bethesda broke mods out of the blue after years of doing nothing.

[@GriffithMustDie]

@@Loli-Knight I had the game set to not update on Steam and it still did. Probably reverted the setting when I updated Steam itself.

[@mrstalfos7489]

@@GriffithMustDie There are guides to prevent steam from updating a game even if it tries to. You can't launch the game from steam anymore but if you use launchers like SKSE it shouldn't be an issue. It's as simple as making a file read only and undoing it if you want it to update.

[@OhDangItsBazn]

I’m a little confused. Do the paid creation club mods that were created by modders who partnered with Bethesda (thus making the mod “official” content) still block achievements if installed?

[@Lonewanderer30]

Oh god no. Just leave the game alone already Bethesda!

[@haydenjurko]

For real dude I was hoping anniversary edition was it finally… just got my 400 plus mods working the way I want and I don’t want to risk updating even when skse and address library are updated

[@Lonewanderer30]

@@haydenjurko Yep, I've about 400 as well. The game is working perfectly, looks amazing for an engine that's 11 years old. One meaningless update that's nothing more than another cash grab, everything breaks. Weed out the broken mods your saves won't work without them. I'm so glad I didn't touch Starfield.

[@haydenjurko]

@@Lonewanderer30 agree. Just wish I could unschedule the update for the game lol I know I have it set to only update when I open launcher and I have my directory backed up but scares me that itll happen lol. Literally spent a straight month an a half getting this all to work. I really want to mod starfield but maybe it’s best to wait for this official system to be added to it first. I can probly live without any updates to fallout 4 also

[@JJerem]

Can’t wait for Skyrim : Mythic Edition, Remastered in the Starfield engine

[@haydenjurko]

@@JJerem 🤣🤣

[@rashta5817]

Literally, if mods become paid, it’s quality better be worth it. I will expect no less than the quality of DG and DB DLCs

[@sergeantsapient]

My issue with this is if Bethesda operates this the same way they operate Creation Club then it's going to constant updates to the game files which will break SKSE and anything else that's dependent on the game version for a feature that still pales in comparison to the options that Nexus and even the Steam Workshop and that I otherwise have intent to use. If this was meant to make mods more accessible to console players great I guess but that shouldn't mean they have to make the experience worse for PC players.

[@nordvestgaming1238]

He mentioned in the video that it won't operate how Creation Club did, after this update mods should be able to just be added to the store without requiring any sort of update.

[@anthonym840]

It dosent operate the same way.

[@PatGunn]

Unfortunate to see Bethesda continuing its slow walk towards being a terrible company.

[@iansrven3023]

Main issue is mod compatability and stability.

[@nunyanunya3564]

“i hate scrolling past all the paid mods” “it’s only going to get worse” combined with “i fully support and endorse paid modders” split-personality much?

[@faultier1158]

He's happy for modders to get paid while also disliking the UI of the storefront. These are completely different things.

[@marmalade627]

I was quite disappointed with the quality of the Arquebus creation, there are several grammarical errors and a missing texture on one of the weapons, along with some out of place asset use. I hope these mods are continually updated

[@bdleo300]

They'll patch it... one day....... if you pay....

[@mikemerchant9242]

ya, as much as i want primitive firearms in skyrim, I'm not paying for one that still uses crossbow reload animations when ones of similar quality (or better) are free.

[@thecornfieldiii2069]

Luckily for you there's a paid mod to fix it!

[@blakevinccent4928]

Don’t you ever get tired of paying that much money for something not to work, would you buy a phone that is full of bugs and hardly works and wait 7 months for patches to fix it

[@huskycruxes7232]

Bro I spent around 6 hours last night adding a bunch of mods. Physics for my armor, clothing and hair, combat overhauls. Got it all working at it was great. Maybe 3 hours after I got off this update came out and pissed all of that work away. I was upsetty spaghetti.

[@lronLegend]

luckily there is the downgrade patcher

[@pedrovieira4987]

Sure, then imagine if every mod author decide to put price for their mod, then a person that has 2000 mods and each mod costing $5, so the total for that mod list will be 10.000 ? Well good luck with that.

[@thecornfieldiii2069]

​@@Kamawan0imagine saying this unironically

[@milesmackeenzee]

well cause its cool to have more than a thousand mods it changes the perpectives of skyrim in your first play you can search on youtube their are alot of skyrim modlist showcase.

[@peterlewis2178]

This argument is disingenuous, or at least near-sighted. The vast majority of mods you add to a 2000 mod list are small, way too small to ever justify a price, and would probably never make it onto that storefront to begin with. And even if they did, virtually no one would buy them, or someone would pop up with a free alternative because they were frustrated that it cost money. This doesn't affect the vast majority of free mods. There are still a thousand reasons to make free mods over paid ones, and most mods would only ever work as free ones. As a result, all this system actually does, is mean that some of the larger, more comprehensive mods, that take developers significant time and resources, will cost a little bit of money instead of being free. The entitlement the Skyrim modding community has around mods being free honestly makes me livid some times.

[@monkeybone1080]

Paid mods are an absolute perversion of a great thing. A united community can result in some magical things that no only enhance a game, but rebuilds it all through combined effort fuelled not by money but by passion. Much like ego, money only splinters these communities, resulting in jumping through hoops of X requiring Y but only if you have access to Z when the logical step would be to combine efforts into one definitive mod. I'll always support creators (and do via Patreon and donations) who put passion before price. Who release content but give an option to pay, but creators who lock stuff away? Not. One. Penny.

[@john45hhh]

Agree, and i ad that this can potentially kill the game if paywall mods grow substantially in the future. Many of us cannot support mod lists if this goes these way.

[@ethancampbell2422]

Starfield ? What Starfield, here, have some more Skyrim !

[@nordman111]

If skyblivion isnt in this market than this update adds absolutely nothing to skyrim

[@Loli-Knight]

It's much too large for that, so it won't be. The team behind Skyblivion are very hardcore believers in free modding, so they'd never put their work on something meant for paid mods anyways.

[@xoso599]

The moment I pay for a mod the creator of the mod has an obligation to keep fixing and making their mod work from then on. But thanks for breaking the game again. Lucky steam does have an update on launch only option for everyone that runs the game from the SKSE shortcut... if you got that setup before this.

[@Brevo77]

Yep, I learned my lesson to have that setup now.

[@xoso599]

@@Brevo77 I ended up loading the last update, then downgrading the executable to the I think October one. Still have the fishing content stuff but all my mods work. I'm not sure I'm going to update Skyrim this time just to access paid mods.

[@Procrastisch]

Thanks for the Video! Under the premise of potential mod monetization, Starfields empty Planets suddenly make sense to me. I just have to say, that I generally dislike the thougt, that Microsoft is going to implement a sort of Appstore for crowdbuilt ingame microtransactions.

[@robjsmiles]

No amount of modding will ever make the planets interesting, nor do I expect mod makers to want to try

[@freaktasticDan]

@@robjsmiles I disagree with you there, I think a 40k overhaul of star-field could be fantastic, think about sprawling cities, ork compounds, tyrannid nests and partially transformed worlds. However I despise paid mods, and I will never again trust Bethesda to have gamers interest in their calculations at all, and havnt for awhile.

[@William_Henry_Harrison1]

“They’ll buy just about anything.” Todd Howard

[@Cessna172SNavIII]

Bethesda. Stop

[@jeffmartinez3485]

Not updating, screw this update and greedy BGS, I hope this store nosedives as hard as Sh!itfield' s momentum

[@GalaxyXYZ888]

Mods piracy will be a thing now....

[@rcpolygons]

I'm very cautious about this due to the possibility of these mod authors becoming extremely toxic other this, if a well known author gets their stuff in like how did the east empire expansion and sim settlements. They could get money monthly and keep adding new things and getting more money. Greed can do werid and terrible things to people. If he gets X amount each month he could become lazy and egotistical and believes he is better then everyone since he made X amount of money. Then other sees that this big name author is this toxic so others can be this toxic. Since Bethesda allowed him to get toxic. Then the entire community gets toxic. So this market place can go down hill very very fast.

[@rcpolygons]

@@kenpazaraki5781 okay, he can still get a big ego for being in the top paid mods in the store. So it's still possible that he and most people who post their mods in the store to become toxic and then the rest of the community becomes toxic. So I don't think this whole thing is a great idea, same with Minecraft marketplace

[@KhaziirEverflight]

@@rcpolygons He could get equally as big an ego for being among the top rated free mods... ego does not care about free or paid in that case. at least not as much as you make it out to.

[@rcpolygons]

@@KhaziirEverflightit can be 10X worse as this is directly within the game where millions of more can easily access his and other people mods. They don't have to go to the third party website of nexus mod manager. So gaining him more money, bigger ego, and bigger toxicity. Overall this entire thing, for the better of the community and not fueling toxic behavior should not have happened.

[@Loli-Knight]

A number of them HAVE become "toxic" asshats. And then it spread to a whole bunch of creators beginning to lock themselves behind patreon paywalls giving rise to massive "mod piracy" (what a laughable concept).

[@dukoth6552]

@@rcpolygons and it could just as likely not happen at all, where's your evidence for this fear mongering

[@ayojunya]

This is an actual compatibility nightmare especially if your modlist is on the larger side..

[@cotenaijo3112]

well, i guess its time my skyrim binge ends for the season...see yall next update when it goes back to free mods

[@BakeNLikeJake]

Did anniversary edition get any new content with this update ?

[@tibor1234]

Its only a matter of time until mass of trash mods will come out just to grab money. There must be another way to reward mod creators.

[@justjordan6147]

😮 ohhh

[@cryptthrasher2213]

My main concern with all this, is this seems like it's going to be a nightmare for figuring out compatibility. I assume the free side of things will remain as is with how the Nexus handles it already, but how is the paid system going to work? I understand they probably wont and don't have to guarantee compatibility with free mods, but what about other paid mods like Juicehead mentioned or even the creation club? Already I am interested in Kinggath's mod, but I have no idea if it is compatible with stuff like Legacy of the Dragonborn or expanded holds, etc.....

[@blazingsandwich1234]

Just going on a limb and saying probably not right now. Kinggath is new to Skyrim modding. Plus, in his words, it was a rushed mod project. I would be very surprised if it was compatible right now. I guess they could have had a script running if it detects unique items though it won't take those?

[@Unapologeticweeb]

"your mod can't be dependent on another mod" well that kills any interest I have there is a reason script extenders are a thing because the frankly limited scripting capacity non skse versions have likely gutting any scripting complexity possible Fact is most quest mods could not have been made without a script extender Things like bruma the forgotten city wheels of lul and more This singular chance will gut any possibility of high quality quest mods being on there

[@DJLegends]

wait a min bruma is on xbox lol

[@ThePlayer920]

That's almost entirely false. The majority of quest mods don't make use of the script extender. Bruma, The Forgotten City and the original version of Wheels of Lull didn't require it. SKSE only became an *optional* requirement for WoL after a recent update, so you can still beat it without having it installed

[@Dovah_Slayer]

Well i can see how this change is kinda good but theres a huge greed factor that can easily be abused and of course multiple mods being removed because Mod Authors do not like this change

[@Fr3elancerflorida]

Todd Coward ruins skyrim again with paid mods. F

[@marquisepixley684]

You are wrong

[@Fr3elancerflorida]

@@marquisepixley684 You must love EA games, nobody else would willingly pay 500$ or more for the full game when game devs CDPR or Larion exists. enjoy paying for what should be free content bozo.

[@YourFriendComputer]

I think the fact that they have custom voice acting for the new mods is a huge step forward, the previous entries in creation club were all recycled voice lines and notes. I still don't like paid mods but I appreciate that they're putting in the effort to do voice acting. If I recall correctly, I think it was a localization issue that kept paid mods from adding new voice acting.

[@Delalow862]

I guess we'll wait and see. I don't have a lot of faith in this system or Bethesda for that matter but the community will dictate weather it swims or sinks.

[@retrobat1631]

I love how you keep using that one armor mod for your thumbnails. It's one of my favorites.

[@TarantulaTru8lemaker]

Yo what is it called

[@retrobat1631]

@@TarantulaTru8lemakerPeaceKeeper

[@TarantulaTru8lemaker]

@@retrobat1631 thank you

[@Deehvad]

This is the best and most comprehensive video about this topic so far. Thorough, but not pedantic, and has all the pros and cons. Well done!

[@woffydoggy686]

The best modders gone time ago; LBGSHI, UniSL, Yuki, and master Cyan49... I miss the time when they're in their peak of activity.

[@satguy]

After not playing Skyrim for 5 years, I got the itch to play it. I fired it up, and I'm greeted with an update message. I'm thinking after 5 years I would expect that, and to my surprise, after the update, my mods are gone on Xbox. Bethesda has gone too far. They told me I couldn't play skyfield because I have the original Xbox 1 X, and I needed the next gen console to download it. Now, without my permission or knowledge, they deleted the mods that I had on my game, making it how I wanted to play Skyrim. For me, this is my line in the sand, and they crossed it.

[@crispianchealuks2024]

my biggest gripe is that it is so poorly implemented, they could have worked with mod manager devs to implement this on the launcher and have a streamlined modding experience but they had to link a website to the game itself

[@battybuh]

I own the GOG version, which doesn't get auto updated, but it seems this update is not even an option there at all. Good for me I guess.

[@GoldenLeafsMovies]

If I remember correctly, on GOG you can revert back to previous versions of a game.

[@tkellaway]

The only thing I have ever wanted is a donation feature built into Steam's workshop. It is easy to share your stuff but trying to make anything off of it is impossible, and locking it behind a paywall will just scare people away.

[@Spazin0ut]

I am 100% against large companies letting modders make the game they should have made. It just means that more companies will make less in depth games and let modders fill in the holes.

[@vergyltantor3211]

What will happen to the 100 mod load order? At $5 per mod the number of people willing to pay $500 to play a game is very low. Experimentation of different mods will go away then the number of up and coming modders and hobbyists will dwindle. After my disappointment in FO76, Skyrim Anniversary Edition and Starfield I may not even bother to update.

[@Loli-Knight]

I wouldn't update. Most people still have auto updates blocked after the last few times Bethesda broke modding, and most new mods still work on good ol' 1.5.97 (or whatever the preferred version was, I forget). The only time they don't is when it's the rare mod that depends on one of the random things added in these updates. The good mods of that variety eventually get a downpatched version (even if you have to look for it sometimes). It took a while for that one really good quest mod that came out not too long ago to get a standalone version but eventually some gigachad got around to doing it.

[@brockschannel3927]

Me: Still waiting for the fallout update.

[@AHfire2]

I’m here with ya

[@GuntherRommel]

I'm shocked at the amount of milk they've gotten out of that dead horse.

[@zipperdragongaming]

no thank you I donate when i feel the need but - paid mods no thanks this makes it DLC not free mods

[@tobediv]

This will turn into a scandal with modders contracting / misleading budget voice actors or animators who get upset they dont get royalties.

[@Prophet6000]

I want modders to get paid but at the same time there should be a way to see only free mods without causing issues.

[@ms.blackfire2927]

yeah that's the only issue I have, it feels very "pushy" for people who don't have money or don't want to pay, they are forced to see the things that cost money, probably to entice them to spin money and that I feel is not okay.

[@brennancurrier806]

And now all my mods are broken, thanks Bethesda

[@markusmitchell8585]

Yay more microtransactions in a single player game Im so excited

[@ms.blackfire2927]

it's all optional content for 10+ year game with still free options to still play around with stop complaining

[@reeven1721]

So. One caveat is that paid mods are much less likely to get compatibility patches and overall community support and integration, because they’d require anyone doing compatibility support to also pay for them.

[@Shiggy_]

Ya I’m sorry. But if modders want to get paid they should set up patrons. It’s a good thing I’m done with Skyrim and basically all bethsda games.

[@justjordan6147]

Bruh 😭😭

[@marquisepixley684]

You are overreacting

[@Shiggy_]

@@marquisepixley684 lol how many times does bethsda have to bend you over?

[@locoarticwolf2181]

The GOG versions of Skyrim and Fallout 4 have an option to turn off and revert game versions, perfect for modding and for those who don’t care about these updates.

[@mastery7901]

They clearly have not learned of the massive backlash they got the last time they tried this stupid stunt.

[@wavion2]

A couple years back I spent like 4 days modding Skyrim and getting it just how I liked it, and then I backed up the whole thing. So as far as I'm concerned, that is the final version of Skyrim, and that is how it will be for me forever.