FULL Floyd Rose Setup Including Intonation - The SkyScraper Method

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[@TheJuliokan]

You do the setup the same way that I've been doing it since almost when I started to use and love Floyd Rose systems (licence, special, etc.). There are a few points/tips that I have to mention: · All the setups that I do, even tho it's a little bit, just a little bit more difficult, I do it in playing position. I've noticed that gravity and neck-rest thingy affects the intonation, string height and pickup height. You to the setup in certain position but when you sit or stand up and put your guitar in playing position, it changes. · The wood block can be customize with any piece of wood, a saw and some sandpaper. I have one for two guitars that I have (sand paper two faces of the block). · Before intonation, by the way you did a fantastic job mention how to do it properly and with the correct tools,I advise to first take the old strings, clean the guitar, put the new strings, tune it to pitch, check the relief of the neck, check the pickups height and then the intonation. · When putting new strings, release the springs just a little bit, lock the bridge by putting some thin enough pieces of wood underneath the base plate of the bridge but just to lock the strings and putting some tension on them, because it is a struggle to move the bridge with the tremolo bar every time you put and string and lock it due springs tension, specially for beginners on this. Everything else, OH MAN! You are on point :) Greetings from Mexico.

[@rickwerner1432]

This is correct,.. I've found the same thing,.. especially on guitars/necks that are thin.

[@montauta]

Tienes toda la razón, yo lo aprendí del técnico de Steve Vai. El explica del porqué hay que setear la guitarra en la posición de cómo se toca

[@AaronNGBnTech]

exactamenteeee, te sorprendería la cantidad de ``técnicos `` he visto ajustar guitarras en su mesa de trabajo, y a la hora de tomar la guitarra siempre están mal ajustadas

[@SuperThew]

It’s so refreshing to finally see someone setting up a Floyd Rose properly I’ve watched many videos and this is the only one that has got it right

[@OfficialFatLip]

Total hog5hit, there was zero tips on spring tension

[@leedemkiw6085]

Technically it's not correct.

[@JB-qc1kj]

Fat Lip any KZbin videos on spring tension for setting up a FR that you recommend please?

[@Ayyem93]

Spring tension is the simplest part. I've had my first floyd guitar for a week and I've got it down, tune to whatever you play in after you have your action intonation amd neck relief set then tighten or loosen the springs to where the bridge is parallel to the body while being in tune. It's really simple guys.

[@Hypersp4ce]

@@Ayyem93 You do neck relief first, then the action. But I'd set up the springs before intonating. You don't want to have the bridge at a different angle or height before finishing the intonation, That's just how I'd do it but your method would end up working too. I really agree with you about the spring tension being quite simple. I'm pretty sure I figured it out on my own like 20 years ago when I barely knew what I was doing haha

[@johncarter1852]

If you are tuning the guitar laying flat, it is going to be out of tune when you have it in playing position due to gravity.

[@Bierball]

That's how you sell products. Watched the video, went straight to your webstore and bought the block set and intonation tool. A bit pricey but it'll be worth it. I remember what a pain in the ass changing strings and intonation used to be on my Jackson back in the 90's.

[@Zastav42]

Bierball 90’s Jackson’s ahhhh the good old days!!!

[@heatnationwpb]

Same. Went straight to the site and bought his tools!

[@hugq14]

“A bit pricey “?! $35 for an intonation tool?? Really??

[@TomGlander]

Yep. "Me too." Going to return the Stew Mac tool when it gets here.

[@davidjoy2951]

I'm sure you hear this a lot , but fantastic video. Extremely informative , very well paced and professional. Why can't more youtube videos be like this???

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

DUDE! You just made my day!!! Thank you for taking the time to reach out and share your thoughts. I am a huge YT consumer, so I try to put content out there that I would like to see. Rock on! -Greg

[@THCREDEYE]

Great video! I used a Sharpie pen instead of a 9v battery for a trem wedge, worked really well. I found that if the Sharpie wasn't big enough I could add a guitar pic until the trem was flat.

[@jackson2363]

Hey man thank you for this video and making such great tools. I bought the intonation tool and blocks and it enabled a dummy like me to get it set up.

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Right on! Glad to hear it!!! Once you know the steps, it's pretty easy to get these contraptions playing perfectly.

[@Guitarnivore]

I've struggled with Floyd Rose style tremolos for so long and have sold guitars simply because I couldn't get them set up and tuned properly on my own. I bought a new Ibanez with a double locking trem, followed your instructions (with my own makeshift block) and got it set up perfectly. Thanks!! I'll be buying a proper block for my guitool box. I''m going to recommend this video to anyone and everyone.

[@imoffendedthatyouareoffended]

Well glad to have you back on the dark side, I feel the pain but I never sold my guitar, my jem jr is now 8 months old I started playing 10 months ago. After buying my jem jr it’s been a massive pain in the ass. It’s been “professionally set up” twice. After the last time a few days ago I thought everything was good, it wasn’t until the next day the intonation was off again. Replaced the strings, adjusted the truss rod, adjusted pickup height and action height of the strings and had to take apart the internals and found springs stuck under the pickups not even on the screw posts to raise the pickups. The pickups aren’t level still, can’t tell if the guitar needs a little chipping away in that specific cavity or if it’s caused by the faceplate. What I do Know is that with them basically all flat against the guitar it’s fixed a lot of shitty sounds like the G string sounding like a damn banjo. Idk why or how I’ve put up with this when I’ve got 2 guitars that are way brighter quality but just suck to play because they don’t feel good in my hands. The schecter is close to my Ibanez but the neck is slightly thicker, but the main issue is that I drop tuned it and all the songs the app uses are drop d or eb. Probably for the best. It’s way easier coming up with Melodie’s and rhythm with my drop tuned guitar. Just feels so natural, my gretsch just weighs a lot and makes me not wanna touch it either. My fender acoustic I only use for recording specific parts but I hate that fender or any fender for that matter. Every fender thing I own is broken except the acoustic. But I just don’t enjoy acoustic playing. The sounds are lovely but it lacks everything I enjoy about guitar.

[@keithcourneyea1609]

Best vid on this process that I’ve seen. And I’ve seen many. Will be checking your site for sure.

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Thank you Keith!

[@cutler568]

About to install my first floyd rose in a washburn g - iv so very glad I've found your video. Thank you.

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Good luck!

[@angelc7984]

cutler568 which was burn do you have?

[@jjjanco6021]

I'm new to setting up my Ibanez w FloydRose type trem... wish I'd watched this 2 weeks ago! Purchased the intonation tool and fret rocker today. Live here in Westminter. Thank you Thank you Thank you!

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Good luck with your Ibanez! The edge system is one of the better trems out there.

[@ivankrushensky]

I don't even bother blocking up my Floyd Rose when tuning. I just put the strings on and tighten them to similar tension until the Floyd Rose is parallel with the body, which is where it should be if setup properly. Start tuning: some strings will be sharp, others flat...just do a "slop" tune to get them close. If the tension on your claw is correct, you should now be fairly close on the tuning....this will avoid that never ending see saw you speak of. Now you can fin tune it like you would any guitar. Of course as the strings stretch and snug up around the tuning machines, you'll have to do this a couple times...but that's the same with any guitar.

[@stilllifewithguitar184]

Isn't that basic standard string changing procedure? Do one at a time, tune to pitch, stretch it and retune till it stays in, then move on to the next string

[@ivankrushensky]

@@stilllifewithguitar184 Most people's problem with the Floyd Rose is that they have to tune, retune, retune again...forever until the bridge is balanced. And I don't even do one string at a time. I take them all off at once and put all of the new ones on. The tricky part (if you haven't used a Floyd Rose) is that you have to tighten all of the strings evenly until the bridge is floating parallel to the body BEFORE you bother tuning it, to avoid that never ending tuning cycle. Also, if you change tuning or string gauge, you will also need to adjust the claw. Which should be true for any tremolo, but the outcome is much more severe if you don't adjust the claw in a Floyd Rose. None of this applies to a stop tail piece. So I would say no, it is not that same as any string changing procedure. Which is why most people get fed up and think their Floyd Rose is broken or crappy...which it is not. It is by far the most reliable tremolo I have ever used, when used properly.

[@davidlongshlong9moya831]

I do the same by bridge stays level every time

[@ryans9029]

@@ivankrushensky you are completely wrong. You didn't watch the video did you? You are doing it extremely inefficiently. Tuning string "close" to balance the trem is the whole problem. 1. Block the trem. 2. Replace and Tune all 6 to pitch. 3. Stretch strings. 4. Tune all 6 again. 5. Lock both ends, bridge and nut. 6. Un-block the trem. 7. Screw claw in until tuning comes back to pitch. 8. DONE. Any other way is less efficient. And guessing.

[@ivankrushensky]

@@ryans9029 okay...wish I knew who you actually were and lived by you. We could have a race. Done it both ways. You don't need a block if you know what you're looking at and how a tremolo works. Sorry. You just don't. An Allen wrench and strings of the SAME gauge. That's all you need.

[@TonyPjamas]

This becomes an easy job with the right tools! Thanks for putting this together - just purchased a set from you!

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

🙏🧡🙏

[@DanieleTurani]

Pretty cool intonation tool! Looks much easier to use and sturdy than the classic one.

[@tommythompson7941]

Thank you man. What a generous upload. I have been stressed about this kind of diy project given the value of these guitars like the Kramer and the Charvels. Bravo guitar mentor. Great ad lib too; really a great tutorial and educational film.

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Take your time. You'll be stoked when your favorite old shred guitar is ripping!!!

[@RuffNRuffer]

I just purchased a Schecter Reaper 6 with a licenced Floyd Rose and a BC Rich Mockingbird with an original Floyd Rose. I have always played Les Paul guitars so the Floyd has been a nightmare for me. I saw this and purchased the kit just over a week ago and cannot wait until it arrives here to me in the UK 🇺🇸🛫🛬🇬🇧

[@docf.n.t.2310]

You video was very professional, and informative. Maybe the best Floyd Rose video I have seen to date ! Now I am heading to your website...

[@StanleyGrant13]

I just ordered the intonation tool.

[@jlightning2178]

Didn't know you can buy those blocks now, always made my own.👍🤘

[@blgdinger3]

That Skyscraper gizmo you created seems like the only logical choice to do this process. I wasn't entirely sure what to do with adjusting that little bolt on the saddle, then somehow moving the saddle forward/backwards appropriately without it flying away lol. I've changed strings/tunings to the point where I'm in bad shape as far as intonation. My hardtail guitar is so simple with only 1 easy screw to adjust :p

[@RandySchartiger]

nothing beats a floyd rose when set up properly!

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

No doubt!!! Nothing beats a little well set up wang time.

[@davidlongshlong9moya831]

That’s right!

[@MajorUpgrade]

@@davidlongshlong9moya831 I believe you. I totally believe you.

[@CTSmerv]

key phrase "...when set up properly".

[@crashdummy40]

I like the fact i can beat the hell out of it and stay in tune.

[@ill76er11]

Thanks dude! Your tutorial is top notch!

[@TMoody]

Cool video..... killer Kramer.

[@angrytroll27]

15:50 just put an eraser under the bridge to hold it in place its a lot easier then pushing the bar down while trying to put the strings in

[@5000rgb]

Good tip! Last time I used the tapered wood shims you get at the hardware store (they're actually for fitting windows into a framed wall), they are soft wood and bridge across the rout. I'll try your eraser trick next time.

[@angrytroll27]

@@5000rgb No worries good luck mate! Also take not of where the guitar is tuned with the eraser under there

[@dangerousandy]

Nice video. I’ve just got my first FR equipped guitar (a Squier Stagemaster V1) and it desperately needs setting up

[@5000rgb]

Floyds are great once you know how to work with them.

[@DMDvideo10]

Love this tool! Just ordered it and a block!

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Thank you! 🙏

[@brouillacblues]

If you are adjusting the truss rod and its been a while spray some degrippant in before you attempt it. If the truss rod hasn't been adjusted for a while and it breaks you have a problem!

[@89lx98]

Great video! Thanks!!

[@DreidMusicalX]

Finally, someone who does their string with the balls at the headstock like I do.

[@tacoconch7678]

That technique will eventually put burrs in your string posts.

[@juliodefreitas157]

Awesome video. And thank you for sharing your tips..💙👍

[@jefferycarter1791]

Loved the video

[@HarleyCampbell79]

Cheers from Greeley CO

[@koreano9923]

clear explanation thank you sir

[@snocrushr]

Cool, now I know what those things were for that Tom was makin' 👍👍

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Yes Greg. Tom does an incredible job machining everything for SkyScraper.

[@JerrysThisandThat]

That will save many tech's a bunch of pulling their hair out Lol. Good stuff GP. \m/ \m/

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

No doubt. Thanks Jerry.

[@paullaurieferris]

Very Nice. Learn something everyday. Why would you not order a SkyScraper? Plus, It's cheaper to order direct. Play On!

[@TheAxe4Ever]

Regarding how you have your springs set up in a “V” pattern, if anyone gives you crap about it, let them know that in Floyd Rose’s original patent illustration, that is the way he drew it up. That tells you that is how he designed it and intended for them to be setup.

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

I've never seen that drawing. I'll have to search for it in the googlator.

[@laguanhayes214]

Thanks for this video. Thanks also for the FREE e-book. I saw another video like this with the sustain block's tension springs being adjusted and voila, it's in tune and intonated. I must give you higher marks for depth of instruction and production value of your video. Besides being mesmerized by that cool tuner, why did you tune/intonate with the old strings, get rid of them, then start again with new strings?

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

I always "rough in" the setup with old strings if I can. That way I know if everything works before I blow a new set of strings. Also, I can play the guitar after the adjustments and see if there is a high fret or something else that will need repair. If I changed the strings first, then I'd have to throw them away if I had to take them off for a fret repair... I usually rough in, then change strings, then let the guitar sit for a day or two, then go back through everything and make sure it's still happy. I hope that answers your question!

[@SteelyGlow]

Why don't you loosen the strings before adjusting truss rod? It sounded scary at 4:30 and further

[@bagaswahyuillahi6009]

IDK Maybe I'm Lucky Guy But From The First Time I Bought A FR Guitar, I Don't Facing Serious Problem Like Any Other Guitarist Said About A Floyd Rose Bridge. The Hardest Part of Floyd Rose IMO Is Just Gettin In Tune After You Do A Dive Bomb or Do Brutal Tremolo Action Like Steve Vai Do. And The Only Solution Is Change Your Fake Floyd Rose With The Original One (floyd Rose or Cort or Ibanez) and Adding FU-tone/Tremol-no Are Make Your Guitar More Stable In Tune. Keep Sharing About Guitar Especially *Floyd Rose Guitar* . Cheers

[@ervin9720]

So i just got a guitar and it has a floyd rose bridge, and i don't have the tools or the experience to fix problems, which is a bit of a pain.

[@刘良睿]

Hi, I am having trouble with the buzz on the 6th string. I've learnt that it can be fixed by turning the screw on both sides. However, I don't know if it is okay that the whole bridge leans from the bass side to the treble side. Any advice? Thanks.

[@pumpkinheadjrb]

I can't figure out my floyd rose. I'm about to take it in to a shop. It came to me with the trem severely riding high (traded for it). I tried switching strings and for some reason, it just keeps tuning and tuning and tuning and tuning. Every time I tune up, the trem gives a little and it detunes... all the way until the trem is 45 degrees. Any ideas what to do? I'm thinking it needs new springs but idk its only 3 years old.

[@RotterStudios]

GREAT VIDEO! I LOVE that intonation tool! Where can I get one? At your store? I have been using a tiny hammer to gently tap the saddle forward. This is so much better. subbed.

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Yes. We have them on www.skyscraperguitars.com/store. If you have any questions at all, just reach out. There is a contact form on the website and the questions come directly to me. -Greg

[@Twxface666]

I just got a new guitar yesterday in the mail. I'm a beginner and I didn't know what a floyd rose was until I tried tuning it. I'm having a very difficult time tuning it. U think u can make a how to tune a floyd rose for dummies video ?

[@miijjk]

I have been playing for 25 and when I get an electric guitar with a Floyd Rose on it the first thing I do is take it off and throw the floyd rose in the garage

[@thefilthygringo9228]

OMFG this is awesome!

[@symphx3540]

Intonation does it matter if you lock the nut or not while performing this? thanks.

[@metal_helm]

You are almost at 6k subs! pre-congratulations! someone just bought the pickpocket off of my amazon affiliate links! \m/ \m/

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Holy cow! I hadn't been paying attention. 👊

[@jeffalfred5785]

I have some of the products and love them

[@mikeskeins1981]

hi i final yy got a round to instal a b ig block and bought the intonation tool. thetool wont r each fin e tuners and saddle. its on a ibanez prestige. any fixs ?

[@dimitrisstel3629]

any ideas why my 1000 series Floyd rose after setup feels extremely stiff ? I play with 10s , I use 3 springs with the following pattern --> | | |

[@accutronitisthe2nd95]

Yes of course "The Key" works under string tension! What good would it be if it didn't???

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Exactly my point. You have to detune, adjust, retune, check, detune, adjust, etc. It's just as easy to work without one. I've got a pile of broken "KEYS" from trying to use them under string tension.

[@fullmetalfunk]

does the intonation tool only work to pull the saddle towards the tuners lengthening the string? if so, i'm guessing that if you need to shorten the string you just pull out the saddle further than needed and then use the tool to shorten it back into the proper length?

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

It works both ways. If you need to shorten the string length, put the tool in place and snug it up. Then release the saddle screw and you can slowly turn the adjustment screw on our tool to let out some length. I hope that makes sense.

[@fullmetalfunk]

@@SkyscraperGuitarsah ok, yeah i gotcha!

[@strenyaletus9621]

I haven't the nerve to mess with the trussrod of my 4 month old RG55ODX, it would be just my luck to hear a cracking sound at the first quarter turn of the nut, I'll stick with the sound of the low E fret buzz.

[@arnyarny77]

can you answer me a question ? my new guitar came with the floyd not even. the term posts are not even close, the clearance between the bridge plate on one side is almost 1/4 inch and the other side is roughly 1/16. i am referring to the distance between the body and bottom of bridge plateone post is screwed in much further into body, should they be more or less even height?

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Depending on the string set, there is a bit of a tilt from bass to treble to get the correct string action. It's usually a pretty small amount. If you set the bass E to 5/64" above the 12th fret and the treble E to 4/64", your bridge will be slightly out of level, but not much... As for the trem setter, I don't have a bunch of experience with those. I try to keep the guitars as stock as possible.

[@jose831117]

Nice video!!!!!

[@jamiee172]

It would be better if you showed what the tuner was saying as you set the intonation!

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

The camera shutter and the strobe don't play well together... The camera can't really capture what it looks like. I do have a portable Peterson now. I'll try to use that next time I do intonation.

[@kevinjudson]

Excellent and informative videos....can u give me some advice?... i always seem to get this problem when restringing my 22 fret guitars and the problem is that the strings seem to have a lot of tension when bending a note?...i dont get it on my 24 fret guitars?...i use 9 gauge strings...thanks in advance.

[@BoudreauGuitars]

Slick lil’ gizmo!

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Thanks Ken!

[@raizenkenjie2210]

thanks for the free e-book! by the way, how do you get that guitar shiny?

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Factory finish. I've just treated it right over the years.

[@mctwistx1248]

how to fix detune?

[@crashdummy40]

Man like..... I've never had a guitar creek like that......

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

It has WAY more to do with corrosion and / or mechanical issues in the truss rod rather than the wood of the neck... The sound vibrates through the wood, but it's generated in the steel... Sort of like hitting a pipe with a hammer when you're under water.

[@Vposerslayer]

So I did all that and the guitar plays very well (ESP Ltd Alexi Laiho signature) but when I dive or pull on the bar it returns either flat or sharp. What can I do to eliminate this? It's very frustrating to try and correct the tuning in the middle of a song.

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

If your bridge is returning flat or sharp, there are a few things that can cause it. The most common is a knife edge or post that has a burr. The metal on both pieces should be VERY smooth. A lot of the licensed Floyds use posts and knife edges that are not hardened. They can develop burrs through normal use or if you raise/lower the bridge with string or spring tension present. The second most popular reason is springs that are worn out or that aren't seated well. Lastly, old strings can cause this issue. There are other small things that can be a culprit, but are pretty rare. Burrs on the saddles, locking nut wear and loose / wiggly claw screws.

[@Vposerslayer]

@@SkyscraperGuitars This was very helpful thank you. One other thing I found was that greasing the contact points helped a lot as well. What are your thoughts on this?

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

@@Vposerslayer Yes. I use sewing machine oil on the fine tuners, posts and any other parts that turn or move.

[@mikeskeins1981]

hi great vid, im getting the intenation and block set from your store. how do you take a twist out of a neck? like one side is flat and other side has a slight bow{either way,up/down} ?

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Twist is a BOOGER to deal with. Most guys will replace twisted necks. Randy Shartiger and Dave's World of Fun Stuff both have videos on taking out twist. I use a heating blanket and it's 50/50 at best... Probably more like 20/80 if I'm being honest.

[@nokomisnichols]

cool guitar. how much do you sell the intonation tool for? thats a genius tool you invented there. i sure would like to buy one from you. excellent video brother.

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

They are $30 here: skyscraperguitars.com/store/#!/Tremolo-Setup-Tools/c/25043259/offset=0&sort=normal Thanks for the kind words. Rock on! -Greg

[@RJW14]

Protip for tuning floyd rose guitars so that you don't have to re-tune your entire stringset every damn string: Tune in this order: String 3 - 4 - 2 - 5 - 1 - 6 where 1 is the high string and 6 the low string. (while stringing indeed block and tune up) Legit I bought a "the key" while waiting on my new guitar with floyd. Thinking OMG IT'S GONNA SAVE MY LIFE. I tried it once, decided it's easier to just detune the string, move the saddle and re-tune. Also, the screw in my ibanez rg320 just came out because that DID strip the wood (someone put a stupid strong spring in I noticed after, was trying to set up the bridge....) Edit: You mean people cut guitar strings that are still tuned? 👀 dafuq. My guitars are out of their cases too btw. I always start on my les paul and swap to my setius after half an hour.

[@richardjellis9186]

Will your intonation tool fit in the flloyd on a Dean mab3.? And if so, how do I get one.

[@MoonshineSazerac]

Huh, ball-end in the tuning slot. Why has it taken this long to see how simple that is.

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Well, in all fairness, most guitars can't do it that way, so we all become used to doing things the same way... I can't remember where I picked up that trick, but it was somewhere in the 80's. Rock on! -Greg

[@MalclomHarper-by1zr]

My dean requires three but in straight-line not V formation with the middle one not doing anything. I tried using two on my Dean and it didn't like it but my Strat loves two and my Wolfgang loves having just two, Eddie understood this I didn't have to remove the center spring because Eddie didn't put a center spring in but he did use the V formation

[@cutler568]

who is this guy? Very refreshing video style and very good content :) :) :)

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@7dollarhaircut]

Thank you for the helpful tutorial. Is your intonation tool compatible with an NFT Floyd Rose?

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

I wish it were, but it is not. I may develop another tool that is.

[@SIXX2772]

Cool video

[@AleArzMusic]

Subscribed!

[@choochoochooseyou]

Been stuck setting mine up for two days. Unless I have the back (furthest from the neck) raised up, the strings rest on the fretboard. Lying the bridge level (flat) doesn't give the strings enough clearance. Any advice please?

[@jedUDX183]

Turn the pivot screws and raise the whole thing up.

[@imoffendedthatyouareoffended]

Lmao, thank you man. I bought the tool months ago when I started playing, I watched a video but forgot everything. I was trying to figure it out last night and I gave up xD. I spent 5 hours fixing every issue after paying a professional to set up the guitar twice. It’s a jem jr yes I know it’s not a true jem but it feels perfect and now that I’ve sank my time into fixing it properly it’s sounding so much more proper. The only issue I’m currently having since I knocked everything else off the list was intonation, it’s a bit flat on the bottom and a bit sharp at the top. I started playing for the love of god by Steve vai and I noticed that my sound was pretty far off from what it should be. I raised the action a little more and had to put all the pickups down flat. It’s the only way, the guitar is definitely a bit fucked but over the past 8 months she’s almost fully fixed. I wouldn’t suggest a jem jr unless your willing to take on a heavy task that may or may not be done when you get the guitar. I know it’s not the guitar tech being a moron, he set up my schecter diamond series hellraiser c-1 fr and it’s all proper and perfect. The pickups in my jem had springs for the screws not even attached, just held to the underside of the pickup by the magnet. The pickups were also angled forward and backwards and the tech never fixed it. All I can say is if you have the time do it yourself, take your time. Doesn’t matter if you know anything about it or not. Watch videos as your doing one specific thing and maybe 5 hours maybe less or more and you’ll have it set up. Also for the springs, it depends on the player and the guitar. Sometimes you need a bit more tension in the middle rather than the sides. My schecter needed them slanted and only 2. The third one was causing an issue and 2 let it return back to neutral where before it would stay sharp or flat depending on which way you pressed the whammy bar. I went and just watched a 40 minute video of Steve vais guitar tech to get the setup close to his so I could make adjustments as needed. Made all the difference.

[@jambo383]

Cool video, but you never measure neck relief with the neck in a cradle. I mean, you demonstrated how much the neck moves just pushing down in the headstock. Same principle applies. The neck will bow slightly when the neck is in a cradle. Always measure neck relief with the guitar in playing position!!

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

If you listen closely to the video, I say just that! Cheers!

[@larsingbersmusic8378]

are you in the states

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

yes

[@angelc7984]

This will work with other tremolos? Where can I buy one?

[@MckinleyDjents]

skyscraperguitars.com

[@jamiee172]

What if my strobe is still spinning like crazy when my E string is tuned to E?

[@ryans9029]

Then... You don't know what you are doing. It won't spin if its in tune.

[@andrewsanchez4988]

I wish i could find a video about intonating a floyd rose but with heavy gauge strings for drop c im having so much trouble

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

What is your issue?

[@andrewsanchez4988]

@@SkyscraperGuitars Thanks for replying man. I have been working on an album and have been having such horrible tuning issues...originally i played with a 10-52 set and had problems with the top 3 strings especially the g not wanting to ever sound or stay in tune so I switched to a 56-44-32 -22p-15-11 set and they stay in tune better but now i am having problems with the bottom 3 strings. I know how to set up a guitar or at least have a fair understanding on the subject. I have the relief set and the action exactly where i like it but i am still having issues. I am not able to get the saddle back far enough on the 56 so it shows up slightly sharp at the 12th. According to my tuner everything else is intonated but seems like it either falls back out of tune after 2 minutes or its just not in tune with its self. When i go to play say a d5 at the 5th and 7th frets it never sounds in tune but shows that the strings are indeed in tune at the open and the 12th. I even have the floyd perfectly balanced but there is still something going on. I have been using a snark is it just not accurate enough?

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

@@andrewsanchez4988 I've got a few thoughts for you... First, I would highly recommend getting a Peterson stroboplus. They are about $130. They have sweetened tuning settings for 7 string. If you are heavy handed like me, your low notes will always be sharp at attack, then flatten out. This is WAY worse on open strings than fretted notes. Sometimes you just have to drop a few cents (3-10 depending on how hard you hit.). If you drop the tuning a bit, you need to be quick on your muting... Its a compromise, but that's just how it works. When I talked to Frampton's tech last summer he showed me his list of tuning offsets for open note songs, so even the big boys do this. For the saddle that won't go far enough back... You may have to file where the string sits or file the back of the saddle to allow more clearance. You've got to have good intonation at 1 and 12. Worst case, you may have to move the bridge posts back... That's a ton of work, but you need to have the intonation set right or it will drive you nuts. Lastly, just hitting the lowest strings can pull the whole guitar slightly sharp because the FR floats. A light touch will go a long way. If you play hard and light isn't an option, you can put 5 springs on the Trem. Since springs are more stretchy in the middle of their travel, they are actually stiffer right as they start through their range of motion. If you put 5 springs on, your claw will have to be adjusted WAY out. This will keep your trem stiffer when at rest. That will help the whole guitar play in tune. Not by much, but it may be enough to get you sounding right. If I had your guitar on my bench, I would be swapping a handful of parts out to see what combination plays the best. There's no magic answer, just a handful of things that you can try to make everything a bit sweeter. Lastly, you might try a few different brands of strings. I have had bad luck with a few manufacturers on FR guitars. I won't put slinkys on a floating trem. I love them on hard tails though. You might call string joy and tell them what is going on. They may be able to put a custom set together for you. A wound vs unwound 3rd might be a game changer... I don't know. Good luck!!! -Greg

[@andrewsanchez4988]

@@SkyscraperGuitars Thanks dude i really appreciate it....i think its just time to get something new... Ive been really really wanting one of Ola Englands solar guitars wheb ever i can afford the 800 bux lol.. I think i have grown out of the floyd rose phase tho I got this guitar as a graduation present over 10 years ago and back then i had such a hard on for floyd rose equipped guitars and players like Synyster gates and Dimebag. I have only used it once on this album for some cool effects on a song. I really do play with a heavy hand though because the emgh4s i have just beg to be played hard cause they really get that tight bite that i havent been able to find with other passive pickups without just being flooded with low end. I will have to look into a stroboplus. In the mean time do you think blocking the bridge would help? I just finished guitars and drums for another song today only to find out while laying down bass tracks that everything is about 3 cents sharp. Again tho dude i really appreciate the help if you have a patreon i would love to become a patron.

[@RichardDuenaz]

AFTER YOU TAK OUT THE BLOCK YOU NEED TO GO BACK A TINY BIT OTHER WISE REINTONATE ALSO INTONATING WITH OLD STRINGS ON THEN PUTTING NEW ON AFTERWARDS IS ALSO DEFEATING THE PURPOSE ID NEVER HAVER YOU DO AN INTONATION ON MINE EVER

[@YouSoundButtHurt]

Hey Richard, nobody cares plus you're a nobody. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@morsteen]

Well shit,...I just bought "the key" off ebay, and now you're telling me it doesn't even work while the strings have tension? Damnit.

[@johnnyjohnson5571]

Wow... this is why I hate having guitars with a floyd rose .. Excellent video though props man ,you sir are a bad ass ...

[@rsimp390]

Where did you get that neck rest?

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

skyscraperguitars.com/store/#!/Neck-Work-Station/c/34285101/offset=0&sort=normal

[@metalheadmusician6941]

Hey, I have a question for you, I bought a used floyd that was previously tuned to e flat but had obviously not been tuned in a while and the frets were buzzing but with the amp it was fine so i figured it would be a minor adjustment/tune it. I got it home and got it all tuned up (properly) and it is still buzzing on all of the frets and all of the strings. It looks to have enough relief and the bridge is level. I have not replaced the strings. Is it the truss rod, the nut, or the bridge that is causing this ? Sorry for all the detail

[@metalheadmusician6941]

I also tuned it back to e flat, the previous tuning, by the way

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

It could be all of the above. I ALWAYS start with the truss rod adjustment. Small adjustments there can make a big difference. .010" is about as low as I go for neck relief, I like .012-.014. Then string height plays a big part. 5/64" on the bass side and 3-4/64 on the treble. Also, site down the neck. Is there a big swoop somewhere? Sometimes you get a couple high frets that cause all kinds of trouble. If the issue is in frets 1-9, you may need more relief. If its in 10-24 you might have a hump at the body or a couple high frets. A fret rocker can sort out if and where you have high frets. A string height gauge is essential to tell if you have a string height issue... Also, look at the nut relief. Sometimes the locking nut gets worn down. You should have a minimum of .018" at the first fret. If its lower than that, you can shim the nut up. That mainly helps with open strings, but it can also cause intonation issues. Lastly, tuning from Eb to E should create more string tension and allow for more neck relief. Typically tuning UP will not cause a buzz unless its pulling your bridge out of level. -Greg

[@metalheadmusician6941]

@@SkyscraperGuitars I'll give it a little more relief when i get home and see if that makes a difference, if not, i'll check the height on the strings in certain places and determine whether i should shave some of the nut (no homo), do some fret work, or maybe just do as you said and raise it up a half step. I thank you very much for your help man, i appreciate it. I'll be in touch when i see what happens

[@metalheadmusician6941]

@@SkyscraperGuitars Also, i subbed to you, never got help so fast

[@metalheadmusician6941]

@@SkyscraperGuitars Ok, I'm sorry for responding so late (busy), I finally got to troubleshooting the issue on my floyd and I leveled off the bridge, no dice (little better tho), I did a truss rod adjustment, raised action a little but still buzzes. I used blocks to do this by the way. I'm thinking its either the nut or the frets now. What do you think ?

[@bennyhoward4026]

The intonation tool is out of stock! :(

[@NunYa953]

Where are you in Colorado and how do I bring a guitar to you for this?

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Hop on this link and send me a message with your contact info. We can set up a day/time to drop off your guitar. skyscraperguitars.com/contact/

[@NunYa953]

@@SkyscraperGuitars Sent. Thanks!

[@d.j.9961]

I literally just purchased a 17 peice Luthier tool kit from amazon then clicked this video. R u f'n kidding me? I knew I should have purchased the $54.00 Music nomad tool set! So frustrating

[@MalclomHarper-by1zr]

I don't understand why they do this v-shaped spring thing and put the spring in the middle cuz the springing the middle isn't doing anything except vibrating and making noise. best way to do is put them all straight and then they pull evenly most guitars only need two and then you can put it in a V formation

[@ZzzzzzzxxxzzzYZ4]

If a player has an Ibanez guitar their own intonation tool works great. Won't get stuck on the bridge.

[@RudeRaptor]

www.amazon.com/Ibanez-EJK-EJK1000-Intonation-Adjuster/dp/B01AZBFJOU/ref=cm_wl_huc_item

[@suicidalatalltimes]

35+ years too late I find... there was a tooool //// spent hourss.. loosening each string and guessing where to lock the intonation bracket re tune and repeat till finally after many many many days n trys ... yup that works well enough... F it // still out of intonation to this day

[@Thedownboysfan]

suicidalatalltimes exactly my thoughts

[@lroy730]

That's a nifty intonation tool. But I stopped using feeler gauges years ago. It's much quicker to just use two fingers one at each end of the fretboard and you could see the relief. I don't you string height measurements either. I lower the action until it buzzes. Then I bring it up until it stops buzzing. That's the maximum lowest action. I call that the Billy Sheehan method, he made it popular .

[@JoeAse]

The diagonal set-up of the tremolo springs, in this video allows them to maintain a higher tension of the outside springs, preventing the need to tighten the screws excessively or adding a fourth spring. Many luthiers recommend this approach to spring set-up. Great video! Thanks for offering your tools to the world!

[@JD-vj4go]

Everytime I've tried the diagonal setup with three springs it's causes tuning issues when using the Floyd. I see it so often but I've never got that to work.

[@flukyreview9128]

Why do you intonate with the guitar laying flat instead of in a playing position? I was taught from luthiers the most accurate and proper way to do intonation is in the playing position. Also, setup intonation with a fresh of new set of strings not with old already on the guitar.

[@freeelectron8261]

I'm a Floyd Rose newbie so this vid is a must see for me. Thanks SG you rock!

[@rockinrendell]

it's not wise to string with ball ends at the tuners. cut the ball ends off and put a couple wraps around tuner posts. this way if you break a string it's usually at the saddle, you can unclamp nut and unwind the string to re-clamp the saddle. by string with ball end at tuner if you break a string you have to replace with a new string.

[@batmandeltaforce]

uhhh, floyd should not lean forward, the base should be parallel with the strings:)

[@ericste-marie2630]

Thanks, nice tips! I have an Edge Zero II trem but you give very good tips. I could think of two advantages of having the springs straight, but I honestly don't believe it makes a noticeable difference in the sound. Like you say, you explain how you do it. Thanks again!

[@Commander_Grub]

I've heard of some people doing that, but I don't understand why. I see you have an option, because the holes are there, but what difference does it make having the springs straight?

[@ziggassedup]

My guitars are on stands and collecting dust too Greg..lol...I'm diggin' the intonation tool mate but won't work on the Jackson licenced Floyd Rose...Have a good one mate.

[@SkyscraperGuitars]

Thanks Ziggy!