BAe 146 - more engines!

[@firun2635]

I worked with SWISS when these were phased out. They knew I love airplanes and enjoyed worked with them, so they gifted me a small, very detailed model of the plane which they commemoratively handed out internally. I've flown on them once before they were phased out; with them gone all planes now look the same. I very much treasure the model they gave me.

[@Delta2D2]

I remember the launch in 1986/87. I was in hospital & meant to die. I wrote to BAE & they sent a huge amount of info. I stuck a photo to my locker & focused on becoming a pilot. Got my PPL in 1991 & trained with BA 1994. Unfortunately I didn’t make it past the student stage, but the aircraft has a special place in my life story. P.S: I survived. Just so you know.😉

[@Homepage.]

God dude, I thought you were writing from the grave. U had me worried 😤

[@justforever96]

That plot twist at the end was riveting, I didn't expect that at all! Cool story though. It's interesting what makes certain things dear to different people.

[@T.E.S.S.]

lol what

[@jacktoddy9783]

The BAe 146 an excellent plane. Can land on short airstrips, quiet and if the interior is planned correctly, comfortable. I love flying on them. Great for small airlines.

[@monochromaticlightsource9153]

I first flew on a National Jet Bae146 on the first of Jan 2000. Everyone was expecting it to crash because of the Millennium bug. It didn't and I flew from Perth WA. to Learmonth where we refuelled, and then on to Christmas Island, and then to Cocos (Keeling) islands. It was a fabulous Aircraft. I flew on it several times since then. Have you ever stood on the perimeter of an airport waving goodbye to the crew of an aircraft ready to depart, when the pilot stops his pre flight checks, climbs down from the cockpit; runs over to the wire and hands over some miniature bottles of alcohol and mixers, and some bags of peanuts, and thanks you for your hospitality the night before? That's happened to me! Memories!

[@southjerseysound7340]

I used to fly a converted BAE 146-200 water bomber and it's a little beast. We did things with it that thing no jet should live through.

[@martinda7446]

Please tell us more, I love that aircraft.

[@bmc9504]

Yes, please tell us more.

[@s1399518]

Southjersey, like what? hope you could share

[@michaelwoodhams7866]

At 12:05 in kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5nOaIihprV0rLM you can see a BAE 146 water bomber in action. It does seem like a plane well suited to the water bomber role.

[@southjerseysound7340]

@@martinda7446 well it's a beast when it comes to short feild work,it laughs at it's gross weight and begs for more, the brakes are strong enough to toss you through the cockpit window and that's just the beginning. The air brake/spoiler is a lot of fun and can help you do some interesting things without getting stuck behind the power curve. It creates a lot of drag letting you fly slow (for a jet) with some power on. This way when you dump them things are already spooled up allowing you to get out of there in a hurry, plus with the power on I'm able to get closer to the edge with a little safety.

[@simonbaxter8585]

I worked at HSA/BAe Hatfield from 1976 to 1988. From the first production drawings, through first flight, certification and into service. It was an honour to be closely involved with the last British airliner, treasured memories. I think I even caught a glimpse of myself at one point. Thanks for a lovely video.

[@JohnSmith-ei2pz]

The engineering drawings said Hawker Siddeley I remember, when working @ Bae Filton many decades ago.

[@justforever96]

That's a depressing way to put it. But no doubt accurate. Sad to see it happen, Britain always came out with such interesting stuff. And now even when they try to showcase how much they still make, it mostly just serves to highlight how little that actually is, and half of it is just foreign companies who were forced to open production in the UK to beat various import restrictions.

[@jimmbbo]

Another excellent video!! I flew the 146 for about 1000 hours and comparing it to DC9s MD80s 737s and A320s it was a great handling airplane. Its controls were responsive and the trailing beam main landing gear made most landings very smooth. It was designed to be simple to fly and had a spacious cockpit. making it popular with pilots. The only downside was when operating in and out of higher density airports where the low cruise speed was not appreciated by controllers, who often asked "Can you speed up? Faster traffic behind you" often followed by vectors off course to separate us from the trailing faster traffic. We routinely flew it into 5000 ft long runways and its low noise footprint allowed operations at noise sensitive Orange County/John Wayne airport (KSNA). The early 146s had reliability problems associated with the ALF 502 engines. Avco/Lycoming created the high bypass ratio turbofan by adding a fan section to their T55 turboshaft gas generator that powered the CH47 Chinook and several other helicopters. It took a while to make the engines reliable, and in its early days some observers derisively said that BAE meant "Bring Another Engine"... Overall it was a great airplane the fit a unique slot and was enjoyed by pilots and passengers.

[@michaelmitchell5380]

I flew on this beautiful aircraft with Air Wisconsin, when it was contracted to United. What makes this plane so additionally remarkable is it was one of the few post-WWII British airliners that British Airways wasn't able to sabotage, as it did the classic VC-10. You only had to fly on this plane once to fall in love with every aspect. I've been flying since the 50;s all over the world, and it is without a doubt, the closest aviation will ever come to the "perfect" airliner.

[@jacobhoffman927]

I definitely miss the 146's comming into Appleton I'm 36 and I flew on one once Minneapolis on way to anchorage alaska, lovely little jet

[@Rotebuehl1]

Why is it gone? It is not built anymore, or am I mistaken?

[@amandastevenson4948]

They had a incredible acceleration

[@joesutherland225]

Yeah definitely my favorite in class

[@tonypearce1876]

Thank you for the memories. As a retired flight attendant from Air BC. ( now Jazz Express....Air Canada) I loved working on the 146, Always tried to bid as many working flights on this aircraft in our fleet. I still have the first advertising brochure the company put out.

[@rikkiwosnik8261]

Air Nova had them as well and flew one daily from Halifax to Newark Liberty International Airport

[@camerondonnelly6419]

The Fisher Price Galaxy....

[@ravesuperfoods]

Wonderfully researched as always! The BAE-146 had amazing short-field performance for a jetliner. The four jet engines blowing on those huge Fowler flaps practically created their own lift!

[@justforever96]

I don't think that is how active lift devices work. You can blow air _over_ a wing to increase lift, but I don't think that blasting your flaps with air _under_ the wing will do much.

[@HH-mw4sq]

@@justforever96 - actually blasting your flaps with air under the wing does a huge amount to increase lift at slow speeds. Wings generate lift by rotating air downwards. Since the flaps redirect the jet exhaust downwards, it generates lift. FYI, the USAF C-17 Globemaster cargo plane, uses a similar technique to improve its short field performance.

[@terryboyer1342]

They are SO quiet .I remember if I was awake at 2 am with the windows open, I would hear a strange low hum in the sky for maybe 3 seconds then it would be gone. I was very puzzled as to what aircraft could possibly be making it. Upon investigation I found it was a BAE-146. VERY unique sound to it.

[@terryboyer1342]

@ATCkeepsUsafe Do the letters f o mean anything to you? Hint: I'm not referring to far out.

[@None-zc5vg]

The ones I've seen made that odd moaning sound that you'd hear from the early post-war jet-fighters.

[@jasper_north]

terry boyer flaps woke me up every time.... terrible whistling

[@V8King770]

@@terryboyer1342 first officer? 😀

[@terryboyer1342]

@@V8King770 Nope. And not fraternal order either! :)

[@obelic71]

Like the 737-200 the 146 /RJ will also have a second long career as an Artic aircraft. Perfect for use on bad runways. the STOL capacity and stability for a jet airliner makes it very unique. On some routes there is still no good alternative for it.

[@b.p.7153]

I think you meant Arctic.

[@brendangarvin7787]

I believe they can easily be fitted with gravel kits too, the high up engines make this possible.

[@dfolt]

This is a very good tribute to one of my favourite airliners, very soundly researched and with an abundence of historic footage never seen before! Very well done! Went more than 200 times on the Avros, mostly Brussels Airlines but also on Lufthansa City Line (yes, I flew on D-AVRO from LCY to FRA). Even had a couple of jumpseat rides. That kite flew like a Cessna 172 with four jets and had an incredible short field performance. My most memorable flight was as sole passenger on a SN AR100 from Brussels to Strasbourg on a Saturday - my private jet.

[@PavlosPapageorgiou]

I really like the 146. On a windy approach it feels more reassuring than almost any other plane.

[@maxinator2002]

Notice at 16:27 there's an aerial firefighting BAe 146 operated by Neptune Aviation Services. They're based out of Missoula, MT, USA. I live in Missoula, so I get to see the BAe 146s fly pretty frequently! Although they're not the biggest or newest planes to fly out of Missoula, I love the high wing and T-tail design. They remind me of a mini C-17 😁

[@colinsouthward7330]

I played rugby for De Havilland's from 1973 until 1987. Our pitch was located near the end of the runway. We rarely heard the 146 take off or land during some its trials, never interfering with our games. Super quiet and beautiful to look at. A real success story.

[@davidchristensen6908]

They don’t always have to be modern planes. I very much enjoyed this video. The history of older planes is very interesting

[@DrForrester87]

I used to see these all the time. They're unique design etched a place in my heart for the 146 and I miss seeing them.

[@ianmorris7485]

Living close to the flight path into runway 03 at Perth Airport, I get to see and barely hear the BAe146/RJ85/RJ100 quite a lot. It says something about the design that even though now quite old, it is still probably the quietest aircraft operating out of Perth.

[@MrPeterPan]

Ok Santa

[@conkerman01]

Can't remember if I took one of these to Broome to see my (now) wife. Accelerate like the clappers.

[@sskues1]

I flew on them to hedland and Karratha. Very nice

[@livelyupmyself1]

Who’s flying it into Perth?

[@dk2428]

I worked countless hours on BAe146/RJ85/100. We called summer time 'engine change season' Any as other people already stated here in the comments: Numerous of ATL entries beginning with "oil smell in cabin"... That said...No aircraft is perfect. If you fly this one in colder conditions...you've got a superb flying, sturdy aircraft that's fairly easy to maintain. Oh and as for for passenger comfort: Nothing beats a high wing aircraft that's equiped with comfy leather seats ;-)

[@shaungreer3350]

I've flown on an RJ85. Still one of the best flights ive been on, I flew to Paris from Newcastle with city jet.

[@heavydecibel]

Probably the aircraft I have traveled the most in. I used to commute between Gothenburg and Stockholm and this was the aircraft if choice by Malmö Aviation at the time.

[@adam632]

samma här! fast med Malmö - Bromma rutten :) synd att BRA Ska pensionera sina AVROs :c

[@acward2007]

Always loved this shape of this, so unique. Gonna miss these when they go and really hope I can get the chance to fly in one before it’s too late. Hope operators can see the merits of this aircraft and keep them flying. Thank you for putting together a great clip about this wonderful aircraft.

[@Kevin19700]

These were such great planes to fly on. We had an airline here in California called: “PSA”. Pacific Southwest Airlines bought a few BAE146 near the last few years they were in business. I used to commute from Los Angeles to San Francisco back then. It was just a short 55 minute trip back then. When PSA went away so did the BAE. We were sad to see them go.

[@robybabe4461]

I used to help build the central Air frames for the 146 at BAe Filton... The queen used to fly in them & I think one is our version of "Airforce One" that Boris uses... The factory is now a museum & a huge housing estate

[@zedgie68]

I worked in Woodford but in the printroom. Every now and then i used to walk through the facory looking at the RJX being constructed plus seen the Queens 146 too. The RJX looked something special.

[@dobiedude7479]

The Smurf Jet. I flew in these twice. MSP to Des Moines and back. I was impressed.

[@ValerieAshwell]

I worked at British aerospace at Hatfield as a secretary when the BAe 146 began its life. I flew in the aircraft several times and loved it!

[@frglee]

There were several minor issues with engine fumes and cabin ventilation inside the BAe 146, usually fairly mild, but there one or two more pronounced incidents, as I recall, attributed to design issues. I flew one once - a BA service to Rotterdam from London Gatwick in 1986 and noticed this myself. One nice memory about that flight is that we kept to a fairly low altitude all the way, and it being good weather, the views of the Kent coast, and the coastlines of France, Belgium and the Netherlands were stunning.

[@dxbmick]

I flew as crew on the gas chamber 146. Before the first flight of the day we used to "clean" the filters in the AC by turning the packs to high and temperature to hot. The visibility in the cabin would reduce to nothing in white fumes. Awful. Many crew refused to operate it, and others became quite sick as a result of exposure to the toxic fumes it created in the cabin

[@2flyabove]

I wouldn't categorize the air quality issue as "minor" issues. It was a real issue...

[@craftybear01]

AFAIK this ws because the engines were originally designed for helicopters and so needed to be converted to provide the bleed air for the cabin. This meant oil ingress is a problem. I used to enjoy weekly Stansted to Schiphol in these but they were smelly.

[@saintmobius5348]

@@dxbmick if you turned the AC to hot immediately after start up in a generally cool environment, it will condensate and create steam - this is the same with any AC system. The 'toxic fumes' would have been from the materials used in the cabin reacting with the hot air suddenly being blasted at it. :)

[@dxbmick]

@@saintmobius5348 It wasn't condensation. It left you gagging and gasping for air if you breathed it in. The company switched to running the aircraft on vegetable oil to alleviate that problem!

[@skyem5250]

3:42 the advantage of bad airfields is that it means humans can outrun an An-12.

[@JDSleeper]

As a kid in the 80s I loved flying on these. On a night flight from the right seat you could see the glow from the engines.

[@fpupesh]

such a shame to retire such a beautiful machine :(

[@frglee]

With over 80 still flying, it's nice to know some airlines are holding on to them as they are so uniquely useful in certain conditions. A bit like the turboprop De Havilland Dash 7 in that respect, though the Dash 8 was later developed from it and is still being made.

[@DanTheCaptain]

As the previous person noted there are fortunately quite a lot still flying, most for freight. However, Summit Air in Canada and Cobham Aviation in Australia still have great numbers of them in their respective fleets. Book your flights to Canada and Australia to fly then before they are all gone!

[@SimonPearce69]

There are still a number of them operating out of LCY for Aer Lingus and Swiss. The wet-leasing company CityJet have quite a number of them on their fleet.

[@biponacci]

It’s such a good regional jet base though, still the only jet to go into a number of airports in NZ. Surely a twinjet could fill a niche?

[@phljns]

@@SimonPearce69 Yeah, CityJet fly them Dublin to London City Airport (or they did until recently anyway!)

[@mikebeckerman5785]

I flew on this plane several times in the early 80's from Anchorage to Dutch Harbor (Unalaska), frequently a white knuckle flight due to strong crosswinds and a short runway. The 146 made it a comfortable flight with it's short runway capabilities.

[@SimonPearce69]

Yeah flying them into LCY is quite a ride! Steep approach, strong cross-winds, short run-way.

[@BoB4jjjjs]

The best,quietest jet around. They used them to prove a point up here in Scotland. They wanted to open an airport for 24hr operation, but they get so many complaints they gave in. But they didn't give in, they asked to run these jets through the night, and did. They did advertise they were going to do this, but in a very small add'. They did it for six months, then announced they were going to run the airport 24hrs. They got a lot of complaints, to which they said "We have been operating for 24hrs over the last six months, we have received no complaints". It now runs 24hrs, but not a lot of flights through the night, but it is operating. I like these jets, very quiet and quick off the mark. They called them Whispering Jets here.

[@gordonbrockie4707]

bob fourjs ot

[@hans-1940]

The engineers managed to bring the noise from outside the plane into the inside of the plane.

[@malcolmp5245]

I flew the 146 for many years. The trailing gear undercarriage was very forgiving and always made for a smooth landing. Sometimes on a wet runway the landing was so smooth that you weren't sure exactly when you had touched down. It was extremely easy to bust altitudes as it didn't have a VNAV but relied on a toggle switch that pitched the aircraft up or down. For instance you would pitch down for a vertical speed you wanted and then select the vertical speed mode (VS) and the aircraft would more or less hold it. This was fine but if you hit the toggle switch when the aircraft was in the ALT CAPTURE mode the Alt selection would drop out and you'd go sailing through your assigned altitude. It sounds like it was something that wouldn't happen often but in a high workload situation it was extremely easy to do. The aircraft was very underpowered and the only way to get a full aircraft up to its cruising altitude was very carefully inch up the throttles using exhaust gas temperatures (EGT). You'd have to be very mindful that the engines tended to burn out quite easily. We always kept a 30C cushion between what we used and what the manufacturers recommended. All in all, a pretty aircraft that was great fun to fly.

[@biopsiesbeanieboos55]

So the toggle switch acted as a silent ALT CAPTURE OVERRIDE. It does sound like a CRM nightmare. I guess the only consolation was that being underpowered meant you weren’t busting altitudes at 3000 ft/min.

[@todezwis]

Very interesting story of this aircraft's history. I actually loved flying on this plane from Appleton to Chicago. It was a very comfortable feel being on this plane.

[@TribusMontibus]

I used to fly the BAe 146, for an american airline, in the 1990’s. I loved the way it handled. It was very difficult to make a hard landing in the 146. We used to call it ‘the only plane in the world with five APU’s’ or ‘the awesome possum’.

[@raymondbrazel9903]

As a Licenced Engineer on the BAe 146 in Australia I loved them, They had their problems with cabin smells usually engine or APU seals leaking. Those are a thing of the past now. Built like a "BRICK SHITHOUSE" they are indestructible. It's a shame the RJX twin was never built it would have extended their life even longer. The butt of jokes like " they were the only aircraft that had bird strikes on their turbine blades" because they flew so slow. Still passengers loved them, mechanics not so much.

[@bobgreene2892]

@Raymond Brazel-- why did aviation mechanics not like the easier engine accessibility?

[@vaughanlockett658]

I used to do a lot of airframe repairs to theses aircraft . You could tell when they were designed as there was so many different types of fastener from avdel to sp rivets BA bolts and then you had modern stuff.

[@annoyedcyclist7746]

Some parts were overly complicated (flaps, doors..). APU's were always needing oil, TMS problems, MAN SPLR faults, Engine air valves, plus the door on the freight version could go horribly wrong. Engine access was good until you needed to replace looms that went through the hollow vanes, engine vibration or oil pressure....fun times!

[@vaughanlockett658]

annoyed cyclist you can add lip skin removal and replacement and some of the seat track replacement around door 1 L if you had air stairs fitted . All In all a good sturdy A/C .

[@annoyedcyclist7746]

@@vaughanlockett658 We once had an a/c stress jacked and wing leading edges off looking for a notchy throttle action. 2 days later, it turned out to be a TMS eye end corroded! And found by a B2!!!

[@SThomas1972]

I lived under flight path of BAE Hatfield where the BEA 146 Was doing flight tests back in the 80’s and it is amazing aircraft.

[@bmc9504]

I flew on a RJ85 from London City to Dublin, quite a scary takeoff!!. Plane got to the end of the runway with breaks locked, then the engines went full powerand I expected it to roll but it never did, it felt like forever and the plane started wobbling and shaking until eventually they let breaks go and damm....... The plane shot up into the sky and seeing all those buildings while the plane seemed to slow down a lot. Never have I felt so vulnerable in an aircraft but it was absolutely awesome!!!

[@chrisrichmond403]

Mitchell C Classic London City take off on one of those .. The noisiest thing on them is the landing gear hydraulics when retracted or deployed .

[@-cryogena9290]

Hey ummm I don’t think that’s the brakes that’s actually the irregularities of the runway

[@bmc9504]

@@-cryogena9290 no, they literally applied the brakes and went full power for quite awhile.

[@atffan]

Used to fly in these into Belfast City in the late 1990's, it always felt like the pilot stood it on one wing tip and turned up the Lagan and then you hear a noise like a tube train as the flaps extended and the undercarriage went down ... so much better than the Dash 8 that Flybe operated on the same service.

[@alanthorpe6835]

Flew on the BAE146 a few times during the 80s in New Zealand. They were used by the Ansett airline and promoted under the tag of “Whisper Jet”, a most apt title - the relatively low level of engine sound and its STOL capabilities made this a very popular jet. It still has a part to play on regional routes.

[@markotik2]

The 146-300 was the first aircraft I flew in as cabin crew. Now I work long haul flights usually on the Airbus A380 and even though it’s an amazing aircraft, after working 20 flights a week for 3 years 1st with AirUK then later with KLM, the 146 will always be close to my heart.

[@simonhughes-king]

I did my apprenticeship at BAe Hatfield in the eighties, making these. At Hatfield we made the nose of the aircraft and then assembled the finished aircraft from major assemblies from different sites around the UK. It was a good aircraft, the pilots who came to get type rated really liked it, they said it handled really well. I made the rear passenger door of the Queens aircraft while I was training. I spent some time in Flight Test Dept and actually flew one (not PIC) for ten minutes during a test. The CG tests were the most fun, a big empty metal tube tooling about over the North Sea, testing the handling at CG extremes. Then during the big reorg I was made redundant...

[@ValerieAshwell]

Hi, I’m Val Ashwell , my late husband was Paul Ashwell and he worked in the Flight Test, perhaps you knew him. I worked with Charlie Kiff and in the Engineering Department, would like to hear from you. I live in Grantham

[@Glen.Danielsen]

Sky is endlessly delightful to listen to. So articulate! Happy subscriber here! 💛😊 I flew in a 146 once, night flight. The engines were interesting to view, because being slug so high you could see into their tailpipes. Red-hot metal in there!

[@royverden9049]

I remember flying from Luton to Munich return a dozen or so times with Debonair, it was a trip I looked forward to, being very informal. More like getting on a country bus service, I recall stopping at Monchen Gladbach on one occasion when 2 people got off and a family with a pushchair got on and we were off again. There always seemed to be a bit of fun going on between the aircrew and the ladies looking after us. The view out was good and so quiet and comfy seats as well. Roy

[@jacquesmertens3369]

Didn't know about this aviation channel until now. Immediately subscribed. Such a well made documentary about one of my favourite planes. Eat your heart out, BBC.

[@petebeard324]

Thank you for this great history of my favourite aircraft. I started my Apprenticeship at Hawker Siddeley Aviation, Hatfield in 1970 and took part in the lobbying of the British government to get the last all British aircraft design into production. I worked through the development, flight trials, route proving and production of this amazing aircraft until the factory closed and moved to Manchester. A few things that may be of interest ; The 3 pre-production aircraft were leased/sold to Dan Air, and two joined the ranks at RAF Brize Norton for evaluation and used in the RAF royal squadron, Queens flight to replace the ageing Andover. The original HS/BAe 146 design did not include a freighter design and was added later during development in the Quick Change convertible variants of the 146-200QT and -300QT in 1988. The wings were supplied by Avco Aerostructures in the USA, and the tailplane from Saab in Sweden. The addition of fuel pannier tanks were added to increase the aircraft range. The Lycoming ALF 502 turbofan engine was originaly derived from the T55 core engine used on Sikorsky helicopters. The renaming to RJ70, RJ85 and RJ100 reflected the seating capacities.

[@ko6jay681]

Out of all the planes I flew on over the years, this was my favorite! I flew on PSA a lot and always got to fly on the BAe. Very quiet, smooth, plenty of leg room. It was a great plane

[@chriswalker2858]

I visited the Hatfield site during the open day in 1983, interesting seeing the production line. Flew in a couple in Australia in 1987 I think. Loved it. We see quite a few operating out of Perth to minesite airstrips even now, long may they reign!

[@chrismckellar9350]

Flew on them a number of times in the 2000"s and its was quiet and comfortable jet compared to the B737-300 operating at the time. The A220 is it replacement.

[@bobbypaluga4346]

Bullshit

[@MrSimonw58]

Flew a couple of times from London to isle of man ... very powerful plane, took off within 100 meters it seemed

[@superseven220]

The Embraer 170/190 was chosen by a lot of airlines to replace it

[@saddle1940]

Flew between Brisbane and Sydney around the same time. Flew down on a BAe-146 and back on a 737. To be honest, the BA was like a quiet lounge chair ride and the 737, well, I thought something must be wrong with it. Very noisy and a rough ride compared. Took a couple more trips and yep, preferred the BA every time.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@bobbypaluga4346 according to Bombardier, who sold the design to Airbus one of the targets for replacement by the A220 design is the 146. So, that's not bullshit.

[@lucash4356]

Being from South America, I only flew it once, from Warsaw to Frankfurt. It was 2010 and the Warsaw airport was being upgraded due to the upcoming UEFA EURO 2012. Collegueas at work told me that my flght was not going to depart since airport was almost completely closed. It seems that since it needed so much less runway that other planes it could depart without issues..and so it did. I rememeber seating in the back of the airplane and stood marvel at those beautiful 4 engines and high wing. When we arrive in Frankfurt i also remember smoke coming out of one of the 4 engines....nobody was checking that so i assume that was normal? A very nice memory of the AVRO.

[@Individual_two]

I got a chance to fly on one of these years ago (US Airways, ex-PSA) between LAX and Monterrey, California. It was a nice ride with an "E-Ticket" steep approach into MRY that demonstrated its unique capabilities. It was popular in California thanks to its low noise, which kept the NIMBY's calm around suburban airports.

[@joe18425]

What is an "E-Ticket" ?? Thanks

[@Individual_two]

@@joe18425 It is a reference to amusement park rides at Walt Disney World. They are commonly referred to as "E-Ticket" rides.

[@patrickmollohan3082]

@@joe18425 E-Ticket rides are the most thrilling rides. For example: Space Mountain is an E-Ticket ride. Hope that helps.🙂

[@joe18425]

Oh, I understand. Thank you

[@tepastrick2276]

Made a round trip on one from Chicago to Lansing, Mich. Was impressed on low noise in cabin except when landing gear was lowered. Looking out the window, the jet intakes made the engines look small, making it seem that they needed 4 of them. Later found out that the plane was engineered to be quiet- a new concept at the time. Alas, every good thing eventually goes away.

[@johnmehaffey9953]

My mate and myself used to watch these beautiful little aircraft coming into Belfast city airport and always loved to see them take off and land they looked so.elegant and well balanced, then my wife got to go on one to London and I was so jealous and never got a chance to fly on one

[@zennor_man]

My favourite aircraft........used to watch them test land & take off at Bae Hatfield in the 1980's

[@ubroberts5541]

PSA in California had some of these. My favorite airplane! Smoothest Landing aircraft of all time.

[@slipersox]

probably because the gear is meant for dirt airstrips haha

[@rsattahip]

Some monkey fired for stealing got one going supersonic, straight down after shooting the pilots. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1771

[@ubroberts5541]

Ben Green Less ground effects on the over wing design, not the gear.

[@turbofanlover]

I always liked this quirky little plane.

[@drawingboard82]

One of my favourites. Very lucky to have flown on one in the past.

[@boffisgd]

I got to fly on it several times back in 2010 & 2011 with Blue1. My most memorable moment was in 2011 when I was flying from Vaasa to Helsinki: We had taxied to the end of the runway and the pilots were lining up for takeoff, then they noticed that one of the fuel caps hadnt been properly locked, so we had to taxi all the way back to the gate to close it. xD

[@rkan2]

Lufthansa does it on the taxiway. Remember ze effienzcy

[@raitchison]

Many years ago I used to regularly fly out of BUR (usually on MD-80s) and would see these on the tarmac. I think they were being used to fly to small ski resort towns like Aspen. Such an interesting plane, pity I never got to fly on one.

[@deetjay1]

As a Boeing loving American I have to say that I've always really liked the Avro design...

[@broadsword0072]

Always admired this plane, and still do as it flies over our house daily making it's way to London city airport.

[@letsseeif]

I'm Aussie, & love LondonCityAirport (LCY) but have not flown the 146 in or out. Mainly Embraers. Only in Aussie have I flown in Ansett's 146, & must admit the smoke had me contact the pilots lest something was amiss. None so luckily.

[@fffanman]

Best flight ever out of Edmonton Alberta to Denver hub. Just started filling and we were in the air. I was so in awe. So quiet! 2 plus 3 seating. Window seat. Just couldn’t get over it. Thanks so much for the review.

[@goodboid]

This is the only channel where I hit "like" first, and then start watching the video.

[@Ramulus2009]

Don't do that again, because youtube's algorythms considers preliminary like as cheat :(

[@-Loki--]

Certain speeds after take off, as climbing out and then throttling back over my city, I would hear a nice howl from the engines. It meant that Night or Day I always knew when a Jumbolino was flying above my house, now the fleet has gone. I flew countless safe comfortable flights in this jet with several airlines across Europe and later in the Far East .

[@akcbcmcb]

First time I operated from Zurich we were told to follow the Jumbolino. We hadn't a clue what the ground controller was talking about.

[@cedriclynch]

That howling noise, which you can hear clearly from the ground and from inside the aircraft, comes from the flaps when they are part-way between the retracted position and the first extended position. You hear it for a few seconds soon after take-off and for another few seconds as the aircraft descends for landing.

[@cedriclynch]

@@Stangelycoloured Crossair in Switzerland called it the Jumbolino. Crossair also had the SAAB 2000 which they called the Concordino. Flights between Basel and London in the 1990s could be in either of these aircraft, or in a McDonnell-Douglas MD80 if they had a lot of passengers that day.

[@khaccanhle1930]

Flew these into Bhutan, one of the hairiest landings in a jet ever. Later I loaded them on the flightline for a NW feeder. It's like a miniature military transport plane, the only jet I would call cute.

[@vaughanlockett658]

Khắc cảnh lê I the Bhutan had two of them if I remember correctly . I worked on them at wood ford they came in for some heavy maintenance and they found a lot fuel tank corrosion . I think they ended up putting new wings on them in the end .

[@khaccanhle1930]

@@vaughanlockett658 right, 2 airframes back in 2001. Let me clarify - I was a passenger to Bhutan, not the pilot.

[@deweycheatemandhowe2446]

I flew in a 146 thru a 3hr storm in 1987.Very entertaining.

[@firozosman]

Beautiful airplane. One of my favorites. It's low noise and T/O angle impressed me the most.

[@SaltyTubers]

I flew in this aircraft from MIA to IAD once back in the early '90s, great ride and easily, by far, the smoothest landing I've experienced 30 years of flying.

[@bikee4]

As usual Sky excellent video! Flew on one back in the 90's short hop from O'hare to Milwaukee. The pilot flew it like he was the Red Baron, loved that little fight!

[@stephenj9563]

Great little plane. I remember getting pushed back into my seat on an already steep climb out of Aspen and then landing on time after being delayed. I have admired them ever since.

[@assettodrifters1556]

We swisspeople referr to it as the "jumbolino". Love the plane. Sadly Swiss pulled the plug on it but i think it deserves a little break :D

[@boomerantics9586]

I used to drive these. Some memories, a few of which may be a little fuzzy: first 4 engine jet certified without a flight engineer, was hoped it would become as popular and long lived as the DC3, the Lycoming engines were adapted helicopter engines, the 100 series was nicknamed the “Smurf Jet” and the 200 & 300 series the “Barbie Jet”, also nicknamed the “Whisper Jet” though I always thought it rather noisy, two hydraulic systems -green system & yellow system with redundant drives, the outboard engines drove the generators and the inboard the hydraulic pumps, pitch oscillations -they’re a thing and we were trained and tested over it, flower pot - a modification in the tail that allowed flight at higher air speeds in icing conditions and reduced the likelihood of pitch oscillations, the yoke controls tabs on the elevator and not the elevator itself as it is free flying, the only turbine airplane I ever flew that the engines might not start in cold temperatures -the primary injectors would work but the FCU (fuel control unit) would freeze up and secondaries would not kick in leading to a hung start -very embarrassing to have to deplane passengers in KASE (Aspen) to get the engines pre-heated, helluva lot of fun to fly low on one of the CVA’s (charted visual approaches) into Aspen when the weather was nice, PIA to fly into Aspen when the weather sucked (true of any airplane, actually), on variants without an installed or with an inoperative air stair and no jetway available the plane could only be exited or boarded by the crew was through the “hellhole” -an avionics and equipment bay beneath the cockpit, learning the annunciator panel was a royal PIA and ALWAYS verify hydraulic pressure to the brakes before landing -no, I didn’t’ learn the hard way.

[@impinas]

I flew on them quite a few times. I liked it. They operated in Greece until very recently by low cost carrier Astra (12:46) until the company suddenly shut down.

[@DblIre]

Air Wisconsin (ZW) was an early adopter of the 146. Their first one toured worldwide as a display model. They really helped ZW grow their market.

[@Zlin0035]

Never flown on one but I do love the 146

[@pennise]

We used to fly Tristar's 146 to Eugene from Los Angeles. It was a quiet and smooth aircraft. Great airplane.

[@craigpennington1251]

Very cool looking. Saw a lot of them coming and going out of Detroit Metro Airport. Always liked that type of design. Looks like a sturdy aircraft and a smooth flyer.

[@MattThornton87]

Looks so much more "solid" than a low wing

[@craigauckram1087]

I have flown on one of these aircraft, great to be able to look out and see the view, quiet and comfortable.

[@TomskiZima]

The VC-10 was one of the best looking and also one of the fastest passenger aircraft ever.

[@douglasrowland3722]

Too bad it wasn't more of a success

[@davefloyd9443]

One of the loudest as well......

[@coriscotupi]

It is one of the top two in my best-looking airplanes list. The other one is of course Concorde.

[@garynew9637]

@@davefloyd9443 F28 was bloody loud!

[@JohnSmith-ei2pz]

Off-topic, behave!!

[@gatekeeper9985]

In the Canadian arctic archipelago we have a couple of these serving our communities (run by summit air). With many of our runways being short gravel strips this plane is works well in this environment.

[@paulchambers6657]

BA used them domestically in the UK, much like the 727 I’m glad I got to fly on one.

[@franciscook5819]

Interesting video and a rather cute and effective aircraft. You appear to believe the "failure" of other jets was all down to "wrong marketing". Just FYI. Most of the issues with British jets stemmed from government interference. E.g the Trident - Hawkers wanted a 727 - sized plane but were instructed to make it suitable for BEA (smaller/shorter range). The VC10 was designed for "empire" routes so was excellent hot and high and very fast. It was popular with aircrew and passengers. Despite this, commercially it did not sell in sufficient numbers. The notable difference between UK jets and USA jets is that the UK jets (as a result of the experience of the Comet) were stronger aircraft. Boeings blew up their centre fuel tanks, blew out fuselage panels, had numerous problems with actuators etc etc culminating in the current, rather predictable fiasco with the 737Max.

[@AKMaxFlightsTravel]

Will admit, the overwing design does look pretty cool

[@cggage]

I recall flying on one of these. I was shocked to see 4 small jet engines under the wings. The captain was greeting each passenger as we boarded. As a pilot, I asked him how well the aircraft flies (handling, etc.). He winked and said, "I'll let you know!" implying it was the first time he was flying it. I'm sure he would not have said that to a non-pilot. My recollection, as a passenger, was the nice, roomy, interior. It felt like a much larger aircraft and not a regional commuter. I was quite impressed with the flight, the quiet ride, and the comfort. No complaints. The video stated there were 90 some odd still in operation. I wonder who is flying them these days. Also, you'd think some of these would have gone into private service.

[@OnboardG1]

I flew on these a lot when I was a kid when AirUK flew them. They’re a pretty little plane.

[@NoName-ds5uq]

I was lucky enough to fly in one of these back in 1992 with the no-longer existing East-West Airlines here in Australia from Sydney to Hobart. Complimentary champagne in economy class! It is the only civilian 4-engine aircraft I’ve ever flown in, the other being a RAAF C-130H from Melbourne to Sydney. Quite a pleasant flight, though I remember the captain telling us we were restricted to 28000ft. Interestingly, I’ve also flown in a RAAF HS748 also mentioned here, that wasn’t so pleasant seated facing aft and hungover...

[@respectbossmon]

I love the dash146's. Cutest 4-fan EVER!!

[@bryanwestphal8703]

What​ do​ you​ mean​ dash146?

[@jimmbbo]

I flew the 146 for about a thousand hours and loved everything about it except the speed... It was quiet, comfortable and had a large flight deck. Its only drawback was speed - it was about 30-40 knots slower than "regular" jets and we became used to ATC asking if we could pick up the speed, to which they knew the answer but had to ask.

[@EinkOLED]

Superb commentary. I learned a lot by watching this, thankyou.

[@peterclancy3653]

They use this a/c to fly in fly out from mine sites in Western Australia. I was a regular commuter on this aircraft and it was fast, quiet and very comfortable with short field capabilities operating on dirt airstrips, a great aircraft

[@fudogwhisperer3590]

Flew on one from Denver to Aspen.........SWEET!!

[@charlieindigo]

For years my favourite aircraft way above all the others in Flight Sim was the A320. Then one day I had a live flight in an RJ 100 - what a great experience. I decided to buy an available software package that had both the 146 and RJ series, and I loved it. When I changed to P3D v4 recently, I was able to get the newest software package, and it was worth every penny! I now have a fleet of 10 RJ's - the 70, 85 and 100 versions - and 20 crews, so my old A320's have been consigned to a dark hangar! What the narrator neglected to say in the video, is that the plane can land at a speed to make a Cessna Caravan blush, all on account of the RJ's superb STOL capabilities - making it ideal for almost every runway in the UK - well, I did say almost! The last Swissair RJ took off from London City (EGLC) about two years ago, and as befitting a great aircraft, was given a farewell hosing-down by the airport fire brigade. A sad day methinks, for all concerned. I understood they were being discontinued due to the high cost of maintenace and fuel, My fleet is mostly cargo, but I still have two for passengers - and they've never made any complaint!!!!

[@Gwailo54]

Nitpick time! Swissair had ceased to exist some time before, you mean Swiss! I really miss seeing the Jumbolino at LCY and ZRH.

[@decam5329]

Flew into London City in one of these. Great aircraft.

[@robertworden8559]

Absolutely Superb ! - I flew on this aircraft a number of times and found it's reliability exceptional. The short documentary did a splendid job of describing the entire life cycle of this very unique aircraft. BRAVO!

[@jayb9687]

Cute little plane. Like it's wearing big boy clothes.

[@Markle2k]

It's like an AC Cobra to fly in. Small body, big performance. It scoots and stops very quickly.

[@simplelife6663]

When Qantas had 2 of these their registration was VH-JJP and VH-JJQ the JJ stood for Junior Jumbo, CUTE!!

[@Bucketroo]

I flew on these in California in the '80s when PSA was operating them and had the smiles painted on the front. The take-offs were always fun, like a rollercoaster! I loved these little planes!

[@Skyprince27]

There used to be a joke: Why did the BAe146 have four engines? Because they couldn’t fit six!

[@patakanz]

I heard a similar one, explaining where it got it's name from: It flies like it's got 1 engine, it's actually got 4 engines, but it really needs 6

[@kenvc1016]

Another joke: BAE stood for: Bring Another Engine

[@Perich29]

its perfect for STOL just like the Dehavilland Dash7 and Lockhead Herculie.

[@Skyprince27]

@Perich29 Only 113 Dash 7s were built, from 1975-1988. However, its twin-engine derivative, the Dash 8, has seen 1,249 built between 1983 and 2018. Four engines were just too inefficient on fuel.

[@stephenarbon2227]

You missed the next line, 'and 5 would have looked silly'.

[@mikexray4032]

One important benefit with four engines not mentioned here is the short-field performance. A transport category airplane must be able to continue the take-off if an engine fails at the most critical moment. Four engines give a better performance benefit than two engines. I have seen this airplane operate on a 900 meters long runway in a tropical climate. No other jets can do that!

[@Marce159951]

What a fantastic airplane, and you told it's history very well, so clair and detailed. Thank you and I'll be waiting for the next video! Bye!

[@adamp9348]

I flew on the Avros a few times in West Africa before the carrier that operated them went under. Super cool jets!