The 3D Printed Product Urban Outfitters Sold Out 4 Times | Jointlockers

[@randomname86]

I understand it's probably complicated to get sign-off from partners, but this video on an actual product is at least an order of magnitude more interesting than the simple examples y'all typically use.

[@CryptikDesign]

1000%

[@ThisisDD]

💯💯💯

[@thenextension9160]

Very true. Showing actual parts, whether they are successful or not successful, would be a great feature

[@Marorrai]

100%

[@da54177]

If I were to design this product for injection molding, I'd manufacture it in three parts: the body, thr cap, and a sleeve which fits in the lighter cavity. This way, with some assembly in the factory, you'd be able to impliment the grip fins. Definitely easier with 3D printing, but it is possible to impliment these features with an injection molded design!

[@hrmny_]

I mean of course he's exaggerating a bit to advertise for his company / 3d print farms

[@HoldYourSeahorses]

Exactly! it literally took me five seconds after seeing him explain the problem to come up with the exact solution you mentioned. Thank you for saying this.

[@Jackpkmn]

@@hrmny_ That's not a good thing you know. That makes this video a giant advertisement. Which means I'm going to go back to my youtube homepage now and click "don't recommend this channel."

[@iulioh]

@@Jackpkmn The plastic for plastic products is cheap but starting the production is CRAZY expensive. Around 50k for the molds alone.

[@tomsko863]

@@HoldYourSeahorses Using injection molding, I think it can be done in 2 parts instead of 1. The screw Cap should not be a separate piece. It will be lost within a week of being used. Integrate the cap with the body using a long flexible living hinge and make it a press fit over the nut of the sleeve, like a cork. It can also make a cute "popping" noise if you want. There, a design that 3D-Printing can't do and it makes the product better.

[@JC-Robotics]

As someone who has been contacted by a company to create a 3D printed product for one of their products, your channel has been amazing to learn from!

[@mikayla_collie]

what did you make?

[@CryptikDesign]

$28.00 is crazy, really shows you how a good simple design can be priceless.

[@diogocarvalho2934]

Apple's business is just that

[@KengJeeThao]

Or u can 3d print one yourself for $1

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

@@KengJeeThaothey made over 100 prototypes, imagine not being able to see time, labor as costs.

[@KengJeeThao]

@@user-yk1cw8im4h why me? @TheReactorRoom says it.

[@psxtuneservice]

​@@KengJeeThaoor you wait 1 month and order 100 for $20 from China incl. Shipping

[@Fanatical_Empathy]

It could be done with injection molding, it would be 3 parts, the outer sleeve a inner insert that had the grabbing fins and a cap. The outer sleeve could be molded with a hinged top flap that clasps the top leading edge to secure the inner insert component. I understand you are pro 3d printing but a part this simple could be made by the millions with ease if you really wanted to.

[@lordpablo1985]

Yup. All that time and effort on perfecting the 3D print could have got them a mold and had a perfect product every single time. And wouldn't have a single layer line and would look legit.

[@stellablaze7979]

@@lordpablo1985 I doubt they would have the demand to justify the price of producing the mold. I doubt people care about the layer lines because it is seen as novel, being 3d printed is part of the sale. And I think you don't know how design works, the process of designing that lighter could be done and dusted in a day. I have made designs more complex in a day, and got the result overnight when printing.

[@lordpablo1985]

@@stellablaze7979 I've done plenty of product design in the past, so I have a pretty good idea how design and manufacturing works. We were discussing how injection molding would have produced a better product overall. Of course, if there is simply no demand and the run is for literally a handful, then 3D printing is fine. But that's not what we were saying.

[@stellablaze7979]

@@lordpablo1985 I still fail to see how you make an argument that injection molding would make an objective "better" product besides a fair point about economy of scale. The only other reasons you mentioned were design time and layer lines. The design time required for a 3d printer as I mentioned is not comparable to designing for a mold. As for the 3D printer you just design the part and slice it, for injection molding you need to design the part in addition to the mold, which for multiple parts increases in complexity. Not to mention if you fuck up the mold, you could be back to square one with production lead time, not a comparable issue with 3d printing. Then when it comes to layer lines, the whole goal was to be unique, look at their brand. If layer lines aren't to your taste, you clearly aren't their clientele, but subjective style doesn't make it any less objectively "legit". It's clearly working perfectly fine for them, taking that they have produced more products the same way without switching to injection molding, reaping the rewards of rapid prototyping and production for small to medium scale demand. Like I said though, if they want scale, injection molding would be the way to go for sure.

[@rolux4853]

I’m an engineer that worked for a long time in production planning and making this product much cheaper with injection molding is absolutely no problem. 3 pieces would be the easiest, but two pieces are also possible if someone would want it. Also injection molding would give a much better surfaces. For 28 bucks I expect a perfect surface, which this product definitely does have not. I’m shocked someone would buy something with a surface this bad, I just accept a surface like this in my own prints, but never in a commercial product.

[@lassikinnunen]

Yes a mold doesn't need to be 2 piece. Could be mold cast from metal too. Actually for 28 bucks i'd expect it to have faux leather and metal. Then again its marketed at people who are watching tiktok high, you probably wouldn't sell it any better at 5 bucks since theres tons ciggie cases that take a ligher so if you're shopping like that looking at the market you'll buy something else anyway.

[@KarimNiazi]

Thought the exact same thing and I’m not even an engineer. It‘s ironic because the lighter itself is also an assembly and not one solid piece. The crappy surface bothers me and I don‘t even have ocd

[@ramheyhey]

Agreed designed injection molds for medical devices. This can be made flawless with injection mold. Fdm for this is not good.

[@WalterWittMakes]

Yeah, and your an engineer who's used to injection molded products and there capabilities. But normal people don't really care that much. Infact it's probably more valuable to them because of the novelty of it being 3D printed, and seeing the signs of that in the product itself. Kinda like how handmade products are so popular over massed produced, even though they're often less consistent and cost more to produce.

[@SalettaRocks]

I think the point is that the product is good enough and does not require a huge upfront investment in tooling. I'm sure a glossy spray paint could be applied to the outside if a shine is required. In 3d printing the cap and container could be printed at the same time removing the requirement for after assembly as well. And no effort required to cleanup or waste to deal with.

[@tomsko863]

3:51 - I disagree. Just because you think it's impossible, doesn't mean I can't do it. The bottom of the part would have been open (requiring a separate bottom part of course). Snap/press fit design for that. This gives you full access to create flexible features inside. Not difficult at all.

[@zee-fr5kw]

requiring a "separate bottom part of course" immediately disqualifies it. it needs to be simple and mass producible. labor is the most expensive part of producing something

[@tomsko863]

@@zee-fr5kw You do realize that the lighter that goes into this case is multi-piece product, right? As are billions of other products. That has never made a product nonviable. Not to mention, THIS EXACT PRODUCT is multi-piece. Over and over, he kept on forgetting to mention it but the CAP needs to be made separately and then it's *someone's* job (labor as you mentioned) to screw caps on the parts ALL DAY (which will be immediately lost by the customer 2 days after they buy it). I would be able to integrate that into an injection molded part (flexible living hinge style, press fit cap rather than screw cap). There ya go, I added a part and then reduced a part, the net is the same (except mine won't be lost by the customer). So suck it, 3D-printing! Suck it long, and suck it hard. It is not the number of parts that matters but the entire piece-price equation for the product and the amortized cost of the entire process. I digress, the original comment I made was stating that the host-guy was wrong in his statement that the feature could not be made using injection molding. He was wrong. Your comment doesn't even focus on that. You don't argue whether it could or couldn't, you're talking about something entirely different because you want to be heard.

[@zee-fr5kw]

@@tomsko863 ummm a robot put the lighters together. Unless it is mass mass manufacturing. And it's worth making million dollar robots to make it. You need to keep labor down to a minimum or send it to China or India. For a small mass production item made in the US. Again You need to keep labor to a minimum and keep it simple. I've worked in manufacturing for 4 years. You're a 3d printer hobbyist, you have no idea how manufacturing works

[@tomsko863]

@@zee-fr5kw Not to have a d*ck measuring contest here, but I've been designing and engineering parts for 16ish years. Stamped, forged, Injection Molded, blow molded, etc. I am familiar with the whole process (as much as possible). From understanding requirements, cost and market analysis, design, engineering, sourcing tools and suppliers, logistics and shipping. Absolutely yes, scale matters. You project how many widgets you can sell and for what amount, take into account the cost of labor, design, testing, shipping, and other overhead. Amortized the cost of tools, and then iterate by removing and cutting back until it shows you will *most likely* make a profit. Engineering is not all "fun and games" of designing parts and running tests. It's 70% emails and excel files.

[@arax20]

​@@zee-fr5kwlol "I've worked in manufacturing for 4 years" - who asked? Why don't you try proving the other guy wrong with actual facts instead of pretending to be an expert

[@JosephProsnitz1]

Why couldn't you do an internal groove on an injected 2 piece press fit then add a compression piece. Seems way cheaper. To claim the design requirements could only be met by 3d printing just doesn't seem obvious. I do think depending on the volume and variations this might be a good fit for process but you didn't try to cost out aluminum tooling and set up costs in the styles and color ways compared to the time and materials for ed print. A cool and interesting video but maybe a bit overstated

[@5FSF]

How did you guys approach seams? With a design like this that is so smooth, I imagine the seams would have to be very discreet. Post processing would be too much effort for mass production, so I am really interested in the solution for this

[@logicalfundy]

Good point, being just an oval - there's no good place to hide the seam. It's been in design for a year, so I doubt they had access to scarf seams, which is pretty new. I imagine you can tune slicer settings to minimize them, curious what they tuned.

[@logicalfundy]

A brief glimpse at the 6:13 of the seam on the pink as they flip it over - it's still there, they just carefully hide it in most of the video.

[@XXx-sl6yj]

Very big seam..

[@gubx42]

@@XXx-sl6yj That's the trick. Instead of trying to minimize the seam, make it look like a design feature.

[@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov]

You can use slicer to put seam into "back" of a part, there's also an option to master scarf joint seam in orca slicer, or add a "seam trap"(that's how i call it. idk whether such term exists) into part. I'm doing it by making 1mm wide, 0.5mm deep vertical "cut" into part and chamfer both sides by 0.5mm, as a result getting 90 degree angled vertical feature witch "naturally" attracts seams which by-default has higher weigh for angles in majority of slicers.

[@Liberty4Ever]

Great video! I love that it shows not only a real world high volume 3D printed product but it also details some of the steps and engineering needed to make that happen. I sympathize with the fitment issues. I own a small company that makes a part that fits another product. Their diameter changed so much that extruded tubing no longer worked for our product. Some were too loose and others were too tight. This forced me to use 3D printing, which I'd wanted to do for years. A ventral slit allowed our part to flex enough to fit every time. I'm now redesigning the TPU part to use a lower durometer TPU with printed elastic bands that provide the tension needed to fit a wide range of diameters while providing a much more secure fit. 3D printing allows a control over the design that isn't possible with any other manufacturing method, solving problems that can't be solved any other way.

[@deafengineer]

I personally work with the occasional custom designing/fabricating commission, and this is a great video that shows the level of complexity that goes into the work. I'm in no way a "mass producer", but the design concerns and meeting customer expectations is AWESOME and exemplifying it for someone who has no background in this kind of stuff.

[@Geoff_W]

Honestly the number of people I get into fights with about color making a difference in print settings is just too damn high...

[@megsman4749]

Now you have a scientific explanation. Lighter color have more titanium blah blah that makes it pasty while darker colors have less which makes them smoother.

[@davidspillett433]

@@Geoff_W There are a few good documentaries I've seen about you manufacture and such, that go onto the lengths companies like Lego go onto to mitigate that differences between colours. It affects all manufacturing methods, and doesn't just alter things like size (due to different shrinkage on cooling and so forth) but also other properties like how brittle the result is. It is worth finding that information for when you next try convince someone. If Lego spend the sort of R&D money on the matter as it is well documented that they have, then it is highly unlikely to be a made up problem.

[@Geoff_W]

@@davidspillett433 You misunderstood what I meant. I agree that it does make a big difference. Lots of folks don't believe it.

[@McRootbeer]

I'm up for a 45-60 min deep dive on how this was designed! Who's with me 😁.

[@marcuskrushansky6557]

I was gunna say the same thing😅 I've incorporated many of his suggestions into my own designs already. I may start doing a recessed bottom and grippy fins too. I like to see the journey on something simple like this, it teaches you how others think and how to look at things differently

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

@@marcuskrushansky6557true, and learning from industry expert is better than 99.9% of self proclaimed hobbyist experts on KZbin

[@DaveyBooBoo]

This probably took 2 minutes to design

[@McRootbeer]

@@DaveyBooBoo I doubt it.

[@DaveyBooBoo]

@@McRootbeer as an aerospace engineer, I guarantee it

[@Spartacusse]

I'm guessing that recess on the bottom also helped eliminate the "Benchy hull line" artifact on the outer surface where it transitions from printing a solid infill to the outer wall.

[@jparniawski]

THANK YOU! I have a semi-novelty product called 'The Last Resort' on my little shop that holds your lighter, a last smoke, and a last round (bullet) as your 'last resort', and wondered why the lighters we were using for fit tests all fit differently. We also 3D print ours.

[@BradleyMakesThings]

This was a really interesting video! I applaud the problem solving here! I do think this design could be accomplished with injection molding - just like all mediums- you’d have to design it appropriate to the manufacturing method, but I wouldn’t say this isn’t able to be manufactured any other way. You could. In this form specially modified for printing you couldn’t, but a design that looks the same on the outside that allows the same functionality and flexibility with lighter tolerance could definitely be achieved with injection molding.

[@georgestone8099]

It's definitely a bit of a blind spot this guy has. He will say routinely that you need to think differently about design, when designing for 3D printing instead of injection moulding.. Then he'll say 'This could never be made without 3D printing' when really he means 'This thing I designed with 3D printing specifically in mind, couldn't be injection moulded'..

[@willchen2828]

This is great.. love the explanations you give and real use examples of products!

[@u1f98a]

What do you do with the rejects/prototypes/experiments? Melt them down and reuse the material? Just bin them?

[@legionjames1822]

Joint locker is the perfect part for injection molding. It needs to be in two parts then assembled. The process of protyping the part is absolutly a 3d printing process.

[@joergsonnenberger6836]

It's only perfect if the economy of scales work out.

[@legionjames1822]

@@joergsonnenberger6836 fair enough

[@acbthr3840]

In this case, the part is likely significantly easier to 3d print. For assembly for something like this, you would likely be dealing with a lid forming a shadow line at the top with integral insert forming the spring. Something that needs to be glued or welded on to the base, which could add more labor or extra machine procurement cost than its worth for the client. For this case, the printed approach is probably the way to go if the customer is willing to accept the surface finish as is, especially if this is in relatively smaller batches

[@legionjames1822]

@@acbthr3840 i disagree. A gluing op is ok. And rather not a big deal at all. All the effort put into this design effort could have been for a part ready to move 100k units a quarter.

[@NoFunStudio]

We collaborated with Another Room on a 'No Fun' edition v1 Jointlocker and remember a lot these issues well 😅 You did an amazing job figuring out v2 - Grip Fins?! Damn

[@alexstixx]

That's cool, I created and published a design like this using an annular snap fitting years ago. Interesting to see that it has sold so well, and congrats. Your content is great.

[@KentSanoff]

Good video, but I would change the screw cap because the lid gets lost easily. A flap or at least a lock would be great

[@nosidenoside2458]

Heh, imagine a bolt action lid for the joint/cigarette pocket

[@marcuskrushansky6557]

I think the work on the bottom is the most interesting, something most don't think of. Can u tell me what design changes you made to account for variances in filament color? It looks like you went with a pretty minimal layer height and matte filament, maybe? Thanks

[@georgestone8099]

Yep, the bottom was the most interesting part for me. I hate how my prints look on the bottom, so I'll be stealing this when appropriate.

[@RyanLynch1]

love how you shared how all this came together. so cool!

[@eslmatt811]

Awesome video. An idea of tangled testing, testing the same brand but different colors, including the difference in expansion or contraction.

[@RNMSC]

I may be wrong, but it's my impression that aside from being a bright white, Titanium Dioxide also has a tendency to act as an abrasive, so would love to know if wear on parts that are in contact with it, nozzles, filament path aids (bowden tubes, printed guides, etc.) affects maintenance requirements on printers that handle a given color significantly. I know it's not going to be as significant as even would filled PLA, but if someone has an order for a thousand of these in White, and it's printed on 10 machines, is wear noticeable. Maintenance is an important part of working with any machine, and perhaps even more important to equipment expected to operate with tight tolerances.

[@elkikex]

Video on the R&D phase of the project, how do you even negotiate it?

[@svega1998]

Why not use a rough PEI sheet for the first layer problem?

[@adafrost6276]

Yeah, the bottom seems overengineered for what could be solved by a PEI/PEY build plate and increasing the first layer extrusion rate to provide a super smooth first layer.

[@Adamtherealboss]

I'm glad to see the intersection of supply chain consulting and 3D printing.

[@theoquasi]

Very interesting and insightful report about a commercial real world 3d printing use case. Thanks for sharing your lessons learned with the community!! 🙏

[@NYHeeb]

Very interesting and makes me realize how much detail and variables make a difference

[@AerialWaviator]

Like the attention to detail that goes into planning and editing of these product design videos. eg: "Subscribe!" ... nicely placed. (8:30). Seriously, this is an excellent how-to-design video.

[@skaltura]

Making actual high quality end use parts is silly hard actually, even the simple stuff -> I once spent weeks on a dang cup holder testing out various cup sizes, draft angles, outside finishes etc. I even ended up using generative design! :O I wanted it to be perfect. ... only to make 1 :D It was more of a learning experiment, and it turned out to be way way better than expected, with actual surprise features -> It kept your drink either hot or cold, working as a insulator.

[@CostlyFiddle]

I foresee the same issue i had with my Toker Poker. Bic likes to wrap some of their iconic lighters in a thin film with cool designs on em. This film added just enough extra material so that if you were unfortunate enough to shove it into the Toker Poker it would be lodged so tight that one needed pliers to remove it. I solved it by drilling a small hole beneath the lighter compartment so that if it ever got stuck again....i could ram it out from below with a stick or something. Have you tested the product on such lighters, or did you just use the naked Bics?

[@mistaecco]

This is absolutely fantastic! I'd not considered those fins for this sort of application at all. What a fascinating case study :D

[@Ace01010]

Working on a custom gaming mouse project rn and videos like this for someone in the 3d printing/modeling community is refreshing.

[@greggv8]

Could be done with injection molding by having the top be a separate piece that snaps in and is ultrasonic welded.

[@Tadamer]

nice video , quite informative , but what is joint in this context?

[@theebadge]

So at 4:10, the oval outside cover overhangs the grip fin area- is this hard to be able to print without supports?

[@SibaNL]

I assume there's minimal spacing between there so the oval prints over the fins but doesn't fully fuse, a bit like a print on top of a raft

[@theebadge]

@@SibaNLthat’s pretty clever

[@davydatwood3158]

As was said below, seeing this on an actual product with real world issues like variation on the 3rd party pieces and strict requirements form the customer made this much more engaging than the generic-principles videos. Though I acknowledge I'm not really the target audience for those. :)

[@maxmustermann194]

You guys smashing it! Seemingly simple design, a lot if things to consider!

[@nickmackay21]

I just took a pair of calipers and measured every bic lighter in my tool box.. all within 1 thou in every dimension... can you share the variation data? i'm curious

[@maahirpanchal3751]

I was wondering how you achieved that pop sound with this item? Shouldn't it just sound like the lighter is rubbing agains the layer lines? Was it at a 0.1, 0.2 or a 0.3mm layer height?

[@O-RoD]

It's not a secret or design feature. When you pull the lighter out it creates a vacuum and makes a popping sound when the lighter is pulled out. You can make the same pop sound with a bottle and your finger.

[@SeanLumly]

Very cool. I'm a software engineer by trade, dipping my toes into mechanical engineering, and there's a lot of crossover. Having designed a number of parts (some with compliance), I can understand the complexities that can arise from seeming simple designs. I'm genuinely curious how you reduced protruding layer lines (or what causes them in the first place). Kudos on your print farm with custom built printers. IMO, this is THE way to go. It would be interesting if robotics could be integrated to increase productivity. I'm looking forward to building my own machine at some point.

[@TheOneLifeRider]

You guys are doing God's work with 3d printing design for manufacturing. Thank you for sharing your story.

[@Marorrai]

Amazing work! Loved it

[@tomsko863]

6:20 - This is true for injection molded materials as well.

[@joepartlow]

Not enough is said about the process of taking a product concept and making it mass producible. Thanks for the insight.

[@StarsChild86]

That's awesome, any chance one could purchase the stl? Shipping to me would be a nightmare

[@jimmonaco8120]

Consider MSLA printing with a "tough" type resin? Material cost is much higher, but detail is 10x-20x higher, greater options for design details, no layer seams, completely consistent prints; the time to print on MSLA is constant per build plate. Eg, if you can fit 100 on a build plate, it takes the same amount of time as printing 1.

[@aajpeter]

Twenty eight dollars????? Wow. That's some serious margin per unit. One time costs like you consulting and 130 variants were paid off in minutes!

[@Sam-qn4ly]

was it ABS or PLA?

[@JacobHepworth]

This video is incredible. Thank you for sharing

[@kentde3215]

You guys are awsome. Great video.

[@ITSFCKIINKEVIN]

where can i get the stl file for this

[@sleepingbag2424]

Hearing your designing difficulties, it sounds like a lot of the issues came from the slicer itself. Have you considered trying to make your design using direct G-code editing?

[@Ahfuric]

why not just injection mold it. it would be way faster cycle time. Any changes to color could be easily swapped out with a different plastic. You wouldnt need to worry about layerlines or damage during the printing process

[@Ahfuric]

oh lol thats why

[@stevenmitchell7830]

What material was this made it?

[@micmaxian]

Some plant based filament according to the product page.

[@masonportice]

Most likely just regular PLA. It’s usually made from corn or sugarcane, so it is plant based. I honestly think it’s a bit misleading to use it as a marketing point since it’s still a plastic and is only compostable under industrial conditions.

[@micmaxian]

@@masonportice Thanks for teaching me that. Ya I would have to agree with that being a kinda shady marketing ploy.

[@Comm0ut]

The storage chamber would be a fine place for tinder, custom of course to get refill sales. Then you have a Survival Locker for that market.

[@HaritTrivedi7]

You're not putting spacers when packing @ 7:15 , parts will get starch marks due to rubbing among them.

[@O-RoD]

Who the hell is actually paying almost $30 for one of these!! 🤯 That's insane. Especially how simple it is. Gimme a few minutes in Fusion.....

[@nickdiscipio2678]

Did you guys charge for this design engineering or was there a big enough MOQ to justify this level of iterating and design optimization?

[@randomutubr222]

Of course they charged for it. "Hundreds of iterations" worth. Which makes me want to know how much compared to just getting a mold made.

[@AlpineAirsoftAssault]

How did you control the seam

[@georgestone8099]

Maybe they used the new scarf seams

[@lap87]

@@georgestone8099 most probably not since this seems to be a product that pre-dates the scarf seam addition to various slicers.

[@logicalfundy]

They line it up on one of the narrow ends and carefully not show it for most of the video. You can get a brief glimpse at the 6:13 mark.

[@georgestone8099]

@@logicalfundy I am a bit surprised the people making this product were okay with the limitations of 3D printing tbh. That seam, looks crap. The bottom, looks better than most 3D prints, but still pretty crap. And the text looks very bad. I would be very surprised if the next run of this product is 3D printed. If I were them, once the brand has proved itself, I'd invest in getting it injection moulded. Realistically, a product like this shouldn't be more than 3 injection moulded pieces. Inner, outer, and lid.

[@lazyman1011]

How did you hide the z seam?

[@aesthetixart]

looks like its on the curved edge, you can see it in one of the shots. Soon, those will be gone with the new scarf joints that are showing up in Orca slicer. They'll be in bambu official release soon, but its in the new beta of Bambu Studio.

[@lazyman1011]

@@aesthetixart scarf seam is not for my projects it’s very specific and not a one for all solution.

[@addmix]

Sounds like the company had too many marketers and not enough engineers.

[@The_oli4]

The gripers are smart I moddeled my own with them and printed it works perfectly. Way better then paying the outrageous 30 dollars for it

[@ssp_2015]

Drop the slicer profile

[@kacheric]

Fantastic content! Not a big fan of the product but it is definitely a great example of what can be accomplished with 3d printing.

[@meethmj3853]

can we get the STL of this model plssssssss

[@georgestone8099]

I mean, obviously not. It's a commercial product. He'd kill his business dead by releasing it, because he'd get sued to high heaven.

[@danlhoy]

Thanks for the great information! You got a like and subscribe from me. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your videos. Great presentation, focused, informative, and to the point. ❤️

[@ZaxMan3D]

More of this please :D

[@disp3rsion]

you can just injection mold it out of a compliant material like an elastomer................

[@mindovermachine9501]

I love 3D printing too, but injection molding is the correct choice.

[@disp3rsion]

@@mindovermachine9501 me too. my business relies on 3d printing. but there's a time and place for everything

[@sparky3927]

What are you talking about that this can't be made with injection molding? It would be 2 or more parts with a seam on the underside. The grip fins would be part of the base. They talk about injection molding experts not knowing about 3d printing but apparently it's a 2 way street.

[@ThePhilbox]

Very interesting!

[@YTesting]

What a great video, awesome

[@xXBLAKGOATXx]

Are you gunna say anything new ? Like thats all just common sense so far 3:30 is there a point to this video ?

[@felixemmann9262]

I want to know more abt this

[@user-jk9zr3sc5h]

This type of information is absolutely insane to be giving out for free- thank you

[@benjaminwiens7928]

Try fuzzy skin for the outter walls. It adds a bit of print time, but you wont see any layerlines anymore... At first glace no one will recognize its 3d-printed

[@AxionCam1]

I don't know that it was that hard to make a product like this before, I used to have something called a toker poker which took a bit and slid into a plastic injected molding fine and held the lighter fine. Not saying that what you did was nice, I just don't know that it wasn't possible before to make a product that fit so well.

[@Segphalt]

The one thing I have learned from people who claim "this couldn't be done without 3d printing" or "this couldn't be done with injection molding" are not very creative with their ability to design things, and/or not up to speed on what can be done with injection molding these days. (and frankly for most of my life) The main body could be trivially redesigned to make a 2 part assembly, or could use a 2 stage injection molding process from 2 different materials to produce the tight fit and pop desired. Hopefully the next generation of designers aren't becoming dependent on 3d printing because of how readily available they are. These are trivial problems to solve but you need someone that wasn't just a 3d printing enthusiast to solve them, just someone who is actually familiar with not even modern manufacturing techniques.

[@slant3d]

Printing is faster cheaper and more flexible

[@Segphalt]

@@slant3d 3d printing is fantastic for iteration and prototypes. It's great for testing an idea, even seeing if it sells. It's a fantastic resource but a terrible way to produce things at scale. I give you more flexible every single day. Faster cheaper, not a chance. We injection mold people, we have 3d printers too. But we also have DRC tools to validate if what we can 3d print can be reliable injection molded to the desired tolerances in the mold design. Then we also 3d print test molds to verify in reality a thing works. So all that iteration could be done on the injection mold side as well to then produce the parts at a ~10 for a penny rate and produce 10 or more every 7 seconds. The only major downside is there is a real upfront cost for injection molds, for this part we are looking at 10-40k up front for a production mold for these. So it was likely a great plan to do round 1 on 3d printers to see if people want the product, but once that sold out they should have headed to injection molding and frankly you did a disservice to your customer by not telling them about the option and instead saying "this is impossible without 3d printing." You are in fact telling on yourself with this video to any future customers, "I'll help you with the design situation for a small batch but then also expect you to use me forever even though there are more economical options. You seem like a guy that got a business degree, maybe that is what you desire, meanwhile you have countless people in the comments how dumb the strategy is if you find any customers via KZbin... Those people can also see that. And hey, maybe that works, and maybe it's good to only have small scale manufacturing for some products. I can't think of a better candidate than a joint dispenser. You do you I'm just here to let the world know that you take the strategy of "if all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail" approach.

[@ChristosAdamMorsy]

Great Job guys

[@vladsynytsyn3074]

Why somebody needs to put their lighter in the case? And ONE cigarette? What is the purpose of the product in the first place? Can someone explain, plz? I really don't understand

[@AckzaTV]

Imagine a shape shifting massive house sized pla based robot with inner changing skelatoal frame that heated and reformed it to ant chape from. House to car

[@bloodlove93]

interesting, unfortunately not for me, i smoke too much,one joints nothing to me, i just go around with a cartridge sitting on a kodo yocan battery which makes the whole thing small enough to hide in my hand.

[@Adam-rs4en]

24 dollars a unit. absolutely insane. This one idea has to have made hundreds of thousands if not millions.

[@makers_lab]

I think it was $28, but that's not the profit. They might purchase them for $14 and sell for $28, so $14 revenue, and part of that goes towards costs so profit is less. The people making them have their costs, so they might only make $12 an item, and so on. Easy to ignore business costs, staff, advertising, repairs, pensions, rates etc. that all have to come out of revenue when you don't have those things to pay for.

[@gianni_schicchi]

I have a similiar device, stores a lighter, push rod and a joint/cigarette and it's metal and around the same price. 3D printing is great at home, but to retail something with this low a resolution print for that kind of price is insane. China could pump out clones on AliExpress for dollars.

[@makers_lab]

​@@gianni_schicchi Yeah I do think they didn't look that great. Among other things, using Bambus we're printing knobs for music equipment using 0.12 layer height, multi colour, and with lots of R&D invested to dial in a flawless finish. The result is they look great. These lighter things look pretty meh in comparison, but they clearly needed to bash out high volume so made compromises. The pop sound is sweet though.

[@Ehregott]

Happy to see your bottom layers look worse than mine 😂

[@Alice8000]

wow you smart booyyyyyy very nice 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@traceurAlex]

-going outside for a while (a pop sound is listened to in the distance)

[@Voidroamer]

STL please? I checked your STL store, and nothing there for this.. This isnt the spirit of printing, thanks for the video but i'd like to be able to make my own!

[@arixc]

same here, I'm even willing to pay a dollar for the stl

[@EmileMac-fy5mh]

Bravo!

[@JinKee]

Off topic but you remind me of Ryan from Pitch Meetings

[@geekgee]

interesting... thank you

[@AckzaTV]

I just printed some free versions of these and gave them to my local dispensary I. San diego lol

[@0nkelsam]

Perfect, from April 1st smoking weed is allowed in Germany😅

[@miraclo3]

Canada would like to formally welcome you to the club. 🍁

[@AerialWaviator]

2024 is a palindrome year. 4.20.2024 reads same left-right, as right-left.

[@miraclo3]

@@AerialWaviator you just blew my stoner mind.

[@iTsMike010]

Wouldn't a resin printer print that better?

[@802Garage]

Very cool insights, but $24-28 is ouch, not that I even smoke.

[@chrismay2298]

The hipsters that shop at urban outfitters don't even sneeze at that price. These guys who actually do all the work probably only get $10 a piece or less.

[@BabyJesus66]

Potheads will blow all their money on dumb shit like this. 😂

[@beeopper]

never heard of resin printing?

[@blomabrainsout]

Make it tiny and ill buy it

[@thelightspeed3d712]

If he just had a Bambu…. lol good old days

[@BTom16]

Is it just me or did this video play really, really slow?